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Microsoft: Xbox 360 is one million ahead of the PS3 in Europe

Posted Sep 3, 2009 at 3:24AM EST by Ryan F.

Listed in: PS3, Xbox 360 Tags: Europe, France, GAMESCom, Microsoft, playstation 3 updates, PlayStation Network, Sony, UK

During last month's GamesCom, Sony claimed that it had already sold 10 million units in PAL territories after Microsoft previously announced that it had sold over 9 million units of Xbox 360 in Europe. But now, Microsoft claims that the Xbox 360 still maintains a one million unit advantage over Sony's PS3.

According to Microsoft's Xbox Euro boss Chris Lewis, the Xbox 360 still enjoys a healthy lead over the PS3 in Europe:

WeÂ’re confident we are actually around a million units ahead. We count installed base differently to them. We count the number of units in the hands of consumers. We are committed to continuing that momentum Â– not only in places like the UK, France and Germany. Continued growth in all parts of Europe is integral to winning [against PS3] overall.

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I wonder how many of those sold are replacements for dead 360s? (I would ask the same of PS3's even though they have an apparent lower failure rate.) I know someone (yeah, as reliable as that is...) who has 2 360s, both RROD. (The first RROD and he thought that it was too old to warranty. The second started having tray load problems, so he opened both and moved the working DVD drive from the first to the second. Then the second RROD'ed. So there is no proof that the second would or would not have RROD'ed on it's own.) So maybe the 360 is only 0.5 to 0.75 million over the PS3 for working usable units. Now, one also has to take into account how many units in the wild are actually being used for games so the customer is purchasing licensed software (instead of in a closet collecting dust, or with the PS3 being used as a Linux box).

Thus, I don't know if the numbers really mean anything.

# . We count the number of units in the hands of consumers. — Techni 2009-09-03 05:53

So does Sony, has since 2006.

# Thinking about it... — Sembazuru 2009-09-03 05:55

Probably a better (but still not perfect) gauge of installed base would be the number of active (not just registered) XBL and PSN accounts. I don't know what those numbers are, or how to get an accurate count. (Especially how to properly define "active" account, and whether or not to count sub-accounts.)

# True... — Sembazuru 2009-09-03 05:59

Yeah, I realize that. But for the reasons that I outlined above, how can the numbers really mean anything? (Other than a gauge on how much MS and Sony have lost on the hardware sales, or for trash talk/trolling fodder.)

# So stupid — Lethal_NFS 2009-09-03 06:01

No crap the 360 has sold more. God it had a 1 year head start. And look how that has treated the overheating pile of crap. 1 million ahead = 1 million more 3ROD's

# WTF!?!?!?!?! — ISOHaven 2009-09-03 06:18

With a 2 year head start, 1 million doesn't say much.

# He's not pointing out the obvious — phiyuku 2009-09-03 07:04

he is full of himself and bluffing out bull*****. Excerpt from the article link

Sony announced it had sold 10m units in the PAL territory at Gamescom two weeks ago %u2013 just days after Microsoft had revealed a 9m installed base figure for the Xbox 360 in Europe to MCV.

The numbers show PS3 is 1 mil ahead of Xbox 360 but Microsoft is so ignorant and arrogant that they reversed the numbers. How else do you count install base? Only way is how they described the amount of consoles sold even if 54% of them were people buying them again because it failed.

# .... — Shatterdome 2009-09-03 07:23

It's not about quantity, it's all about the quality.....

# Oh and — phiyuku 2009-09-03 07:35

it was from what I remember always PS3 outselling the 360 in Europe but not the U.K. and for some odd reason they are considered seperate when counting sales.

# When in doubt — Goglu666 2009-09-03 07:43

I always refer to an independent chart. vgchartz uses resellers stats to compile an aproximation of sales. Might not be 100% accurate, but they do have numbers.

12,35M (360) vs 10,93 (PS3)

Still, it's true that those counts console bought after original failed, after the warranty of course (because the others were repaired or replaced by MS directly and not by retailers)

# ... — Csyrah 2009-09-03 08:45

I agree with you... why so many people (even MS) dont count that year into the numbers I dont know. If you do, the 360 numbers arent all the impressive at all.

# ... — Csyrah 2009-09-03 08:46

Im one of a billion people that ran out of the warranty and had to purchase a NEW 360 TWICE. (went through 4 total since launch). So how many people have done this besides me? another reason why they have greater numbers.

# WTF!?!?!?!?! — ISOHaven 2009-09-03 10:02

I agree, which means MS totaly failed. With over 50 percent failure rate... that quality is shot down the toilet.

# hmm — RaphaelDDL 2009-09-03 10:02

remember piracy is always a factor. PS3 can't be flashed to custom firmware or modded. But xbox can. So xbox sell more because of that.. isn't everyone that can buy original games at high prices like they sell ps3 games.

# At this point... — RexNox 2009-09-03 11:11

the PS3 has captured 100% of the D-bag market. Anyone claiming that the PS3 that the PS3 makes sense to own, should fly to Japan for their International D-bag card. Yes, Yes it plays BR..of which I've seen at $80 price point the other day. Here's your sign and your card.

# ... — Csyrah 2009-09-03 11:33

Thats a pretty hardcore bais and opinion. So what your trying to say, is that all PS3 owners are D-bags, and 360 owners are...?

Either way, I dont think you have any evidence to support your statement. PS3 is capable of many things the 360 is not. If we're "D-bags" for wanting increased functionality, compatability, stability, features, reliability... I guess im just a D-bag then and your the smart one.

# ... — Csyrah 2009-09-03 11:38

oh btw, enjoy your console sounding like a lawnmower before it crashes with a red ring... your so very smart to buy a console with that capability.

# WTF!?!?!?!?! — ISOHaven 2009-09-03 12:17

The only d-bag I see at this point is rexnox.

PS3 has games worthy of owning the console. So says the owners of the console. Can't argue facts.

# Still a hard thing to decide on — phiyuku 2009-09-03 13:36

how do you cut those numbers. Would it be the first year the 360 had without the PS3 to see which one does better when there is competition or do you cut out the last year due to lower price point due to the console being out longer and also increased foundation to grow such as more games. Or do you just count (x-1)/x of the sales which just takes the average of yearly sales and subtract it. If one of you have enough time go do all of them by finding out the numbers.

# ?? — Zetta 2009-09-03 14:04

Sony "PAL territories" 10 million

MS " Europe" 9 million

Europe is just one of the PAL teritorries and not a as a whole

# poor you... — Shatterdome 2009-09-03 16:03

My 1st xbox died 3 years after I got it....basically from a rrod, but didn't display the lights, so MS said no to a replacement. (it was a "hardware failure" code, the gpu would overheat and then the 360 would go into fan overdrive mode and then shutdown....so I couldn't even towel it.....cooling mods kept it alive for a few months) Anyways, I was like ***** this and bought a PS3.

My original Xbox, which I took apart and soft-mod'd at least 50 times lasted longer than my 360....

# I'm a happy d-bag than... — Shatterdome 2009-09-03 16:07

Seriously, wtf ?

hmm I bought BR 300, $15, BR dark knight $30 (because it was just released) BR Terminator 2 $15, BR Commando (f%cking awesome) $10 So go fawk yourself....

Grab a brain and make a non-biased and informed statement and maybe people will listen.....otherwise YOU will be the "d-bag" for the rest of your life....

# ok — vizard00 2009-09-03 20:05

M$ this a bad score why

1 - Xbox 360 can run Buckups PS3 and i can confirm that 80% of xbox players even fanboys would easily switch to PS3 if the modchip is released before GT5 and GOW3 , then ull back to ur XBOX1 era ,

- MGS 4

- KZ2

-GT5

-FF

-H rain

-LBP

-free online play

the PS3 modchip will be the M$ doomsday and the ened of fanboying , but but but what is the real power of natal tech

# ps3 vs xbox — bionicgizmo 2009-09-03 20:08

A true gamer will get the taste of both world! all i see is how people bag on microsoft xbox 360 and how ps3 is better! let me say Xbox 360 is a great machine in many ways, tons of players to play online, xbox marketplace has tons of things for downloads, (twice more than psn), in-game music off your hard drive while gaming! (listen to some Hardcore Rap or metal while sniping headz on gears of war multiplayer, freakin' awesome!) Netflix with tons of movies and shows to view, that is great especially sharing movies with a party,! on ps3 no longer supports hulu.com (bummer)! party chat mode is the best feature they brought to xbox, be able to party up wit up 8 friends online to chat while playing your favorite game or movies while your buddies as well do there own thang! Sweet... alot of ps3 games are actually hand me downs from the xbox 360 like, Bioshock a year later on ps3, c'mon! xbox also has great exclusives, fable 2, game of the year edition, not to mention halo 3 which im not a big fan off but great multiplayer game, fallout 3 with all expansions, which ps3 will get later (c'mon)! xbox been there done that! I also have a ps3 and i gotta say im no xbox fan but for the time i spent on xbox consoleover ps3 i just can imagine why my xbox will eventually get RROD! ps3 is great but only good for Blu ray flicks, because honestly there is not much of a hardcore difference in graphics...they both good! unless ya like to spend more time in a game looking at the floor and saying wow ps3 has better polished graphics! personally i bought gta4 game on ps3 and xbox like when consoles were at war to see what had better graphics and personally i gotta admit xbox 360 had better graphics and ps3 were a lil blurry! enough tho, ps3 is good but xbox just delivers more fun! and if ya sit there and listen to your fans to see how quiet they are is because maybe your not busy gaming instead your in shock ya got a ps3 and cant believe it! because the new xbox 360 fans are not a loud as they used to be! especially im so busy having fun on it i cant hear my fans but just game audio busting fools online everyday! xbox definitely wins!

# Simply put — ValiX 2009-09-03 20:21

Even MS are correct - 1 million units is not something I would brag about.

# modchipped ps3 + fail — Zetta 2009-09-03 20:23

Pirating games for ps3 would be a waste because

1) It would take too much time downloading almost 25gbs of game data.

2)you will need a blu-ray burner

3) Blu ray discs which costs like $10

Try harder next timevizard00

# ps3 — lito2213 2009-09-04 01:07

I don't get why ppl think 360 is better.If you think about it we have:free online,blue-ray,web-browser, upgradeable harddrive,the best console hardware,we both have realy good games.ps3 got it o yea and motion senser and we have the playstation eye b4 natal.

# i had 360 — lito2213 2009-09-04 01:19

i can't lie at the beinning the ps3 suck bad.but its about were we at now and its not stopping the ps3 is a far more better system today then that RROD box you call a gaming system bionicgizmo so keep playing till you ***** burns out keep giving microsoft your money just like nintendo with there bulls#it consoles.

# and to add to Hohlraum — Quixand 2009-09-04 01:30

aside from the 18 months headstart the PS3 has also ALWAYS been loads MORE expensive than the 360.

and they are boasting of a 1 million lead? if that is even true in the first place.

# WTF are you talking about — phiyuku 2009-09-04 04:35

the Xbox 360 has been known to have a lot more pop in than the PS3. It made driving for me on the Xbox 360 at high speeds for long times practically impossible since I would hit a car after a while due to pop in. Though I did have fun with it to test my reflexes. I would just go speeding and see how many cars I can dodge before I smash into a car.

# Also to disapprove your — phiyuku 2009-09-04 04:41

blurry PS3 version here is a quote from Rockstar

"I like the way [the PS3] renders," Rockstar founder Sam Houser told 1UP.com. "There's a certain kind of softness without being blurry%u2014some warmth to it%u2014and then there's a certain more clinical element to how the 360 looks."

# Now regarding fan noise — phiyuku 2009-09-04 04:45

I play pretty close to my Xbox so I can hear it and I don't really have my audio high because I am considerate about the people around me but it is pretty high especially after MS fixed my RRoD. The Xbox before fix was pretty quiet but still noticeable but compared ot the PS3 it is loud. The only sound I can hear from my PS3 is a that clicking noise which I think is the Blu Ray Drive. After MS fixed my RRoD I have no idea what they did but I think they turned the fan up because when I turned it on it sounded like a Jet Engine and it actually made my desk vibrate. I sold that one for a newer Falcon chip one when I had the chance cause it was just unbearable.

# WTF!?!?!?!?! — ISOHaven 2009-09-04 05:27

Average sales by quarter.

# hey...d-bags... — RexNox 2009-09-04 07:15

As a former PS3 d-bag, here's what you bought...

You bought a BR-player attached to a server, but the server doesn't have the memory a normal server needs. So, if your wondering why the PS3 freezes (and has forced installs and plays ports poorly) and why they have those mini-updates to reconfigure the firmware so the damn thing won't blow up. Now, you know. It is also why they switched to the 45nm chips (which may help the heat issue) but not the memory problem.

Now, for RROD, the Xbox 360 is a game system that was initially using cheap parts. However, cheap parts can be improved. When the overall design is flawed (as in the PS3), it means anyone who buys a PS3 now...is a D-bag. And, you deserve the little you get. LMAO!

# @Shatterdome — Csyrah 2009-09-04 10:29

"poor you"?, did my post imply that I wanted sympathy? If that was the case, then it was misinterpreted. I was only saying that buying new 360s could also contribute to sales... as far as your post, yeah that sucks.

# ... — Csyrah 2009-09-04 10:35

Are you serious right now? WHAT memory problem? the PS3 uses XDR memory for the CPU that is faster then the 360s GDDR3 memory. The memory can be shared, making it equivalent to 512mb. Why the heck would you compare a PS3 to a server? who serves anything with their PS3. PS3 failure rates are no where near 360s, so you got it a$$ backwards.

Im not usually the one to flame, but this has to be one of the dumbest posts ive seen. Its all basically a poorly informed opinion that doesn't have anything factual even in its foundation of what your "trying" to talk about. I feel dumber now for having read your post and even replied back to it.

# haha — Shatterdome 2009-09-04 11:34

Whether you wanted it or not, when your present a sad case (saying you've gone through 4 systems) you are bound to get sympathy.

It's like having your legs chopped off by a train, even if you are proud and don't want sympathy....it still sucks to be you.....

# .... — Shatterdome 2009-09-04 11:37

Crackdown was awesome.....when you were driving around you would have all these floated seating figures comming at you all the time....then their car would pop-in just as they started to pass you and go off screen.....was funny.

# PS3 — phiyuku 2009-09-04 15:32

would so kickass a server in my opinion though. That cell processor will beat any other CPU if I can just get a linux server OS installed and working on it.

# but — NakedFaerie 2009-09-04 21:37

Yea, they are 1 million ahead coz the 360 came out a year before.

Dont forget how many 360's RROD so half of that million are dead consoles.

Lets do a new survey now as to all the working consoles and the PS3 will be 2nd behind the Wii.

Hang on,

10 million Xbox360 sold... 9 million PS3 sold.

Minus dead consoles.

That equals 5 million Xbox360 and 8.5 million PS3

I still think the PS3 is winning.

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