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Microsoft: lots of reasons why Xbox 360 won't go Blu-ray

Posted Jan 8, 2009 at 9:43AM EST by QJ Staff

Listed in: PS3, Xbox 360 Tags: CES, Microsoft, Netflix, Robbie Bach, Sony

Since Sony decided to lay out its cards in the light of CES 2009, it's only fair Microsoft does too. In a recent interview, Microsoft's Robbie Bach explains why they'll never introduce Blu-ray on the Xbox 360.

The biggest reason? Xbox 360 gamers just aren't that interested. But let's let Bach do the talking:

ItÂ’s not a feature we get a ton of requests for. We really donÂ’t. When you ask people the list of things they want to see us spending time creating in Xbox, Blu-ray is way, way down on the list.

The second thing is, from a technical perspective, it doesnÂ’t help us in the core of what Xbox does, which is in gaming. We canÂ’t have publishers produce games on Blu-ray disc. Because then they wonÂ’t play on the 28 million Xboxes weÂ’ve already shipped. So it doesnÂ’t help us in the core gaming space.

The third thing, and this maps to all three of those, is that it costs a lot of money. And so the scenario is, OK, let me get this straight: IÂ’m going to add something to the product thatÂ’s going to raise the cost, which means the price goes up, consumers arenÂ’t asking for it, and by the way, my game developers canÂ’t use it.

Oh, and by the way, I have an even better way for you to get high-definition content straight to your TV, between the combination of what weÂ’re doing with Netflix, what weÂ’re doing with (video on demand), we have a great Xbox Live solution. In a way itÂ’s a little bit of a technology looking for an answer. We just have no plans in that space.

Fair enough. A lot of multiplatform games were delayed simply because programming was that much harder on the PlayStation 3. It can be argued that a great game needs proper time to develop, but when a mediocre game gets delayed on both consoles because of programming issues on the more sophisticated console, that bites.

Then again, sticking with the DVD format has its downsides. The most obvious one is that you just don't have the advantage of space, as proven by games like LittleBigPlanet and Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. A big reason why both games couldn't appear on the Xbox 360 was because of the lack of space on the DVD.

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"Fair enough. A lot of multiplatform games were delayed simply because programming was that much harder on the PlayStation 3. It can be argued that a great game needs proper time to develop, but when a mediocre game gets delayed on both consoles because of programming issues on the more sophisticated console, that bites."

What does the format of the disc have to do with the programming of the games????

# ... — BIH 2009-01-08 11:13

DVDs are fine for games if a developer ever needed more space they could always package a second disc which would install the needed data on the hard drive and use the first disc to play the game. If you don't have a hard drive then tough for being cheap or go buy one(Microsoft even offer cheap refurbished drives for arcade users)

# WTF!?!?!?!?! — ISOHaven 2009-01-08 11:22

Who told you that 17 mil are capable of downloading HD movies?

Only a very small percentage of people in the US are able to stream HD.

Even then streamed HD DOES NOT EQUAL BD. NOT EVEN CLOSE!

# HD-DVD > Blu-Ray ? — DVD_Sandwich 2009-01-08 11:57

I find it hard to believe that all the chumps who bought an HD-DVD add-on wouldn't buy a Blu-Ray Disc add-on for a similar price.

Besides, then MS would be able to spin it in a way that makes them sound good. "We offer the same high definition disc features as the other guys, but we dont force you to buy it, instead you buy it seperately", or something

# The reason is simple... — papajag 2009-01-08 12:02

If they ever release Blu-ray on the 360 the consumers are gonna realize that with the PS3 already having the format they might as well get a PS3 rather than a 360. I expected this to happen. It's all business and M$ is a genius at that. It's not that people don't want it, it's just that M$ is scared that the competition might get an advantage. The faith of 360 owners might go down as well. And plus it's probably gonna cost another 150-200 bucks for the Blu-ray add-on.

# BD rips are better — papajag 2009-01-08 12:08

And you know it!!!!!

# ... — Justingraziano 2009-01-08 12:13

"The third thing, and this maps to all three of those, is that it costs a lot of money. " Yea I know Microsoft, you have absolutely no money what so ever, your about to go bankrupt! That $50+ billion dollars everyone KNOWS you have, that doesnt exist. Windows doesnt exist. Right? You have absolutely no money, not even enough to make it so your console is a modern console. I'm not talking about high definition videos and stuff, im talking about the stuff the Xbox can barely do, play games. Thanks to the fact that it still uses 8GB disks, your console WILL NEVER GET A DECENT GAME THATS IN HD. NEVER. This was proven with the release of GTA IV, had it been exclusive to the PS3 I garentee it would have all the stuff from San Andreas AND THEN SOME.

# Thing is... — Shatterdome 2009-01-08 12:13

There is not one person with a 360 capable of downloading a true HD movie. This means uncompressed 1080P video with lossless audio. If XBL does ever offer these movies for download they will be 20+ gigs and you can have fun deciding which movie you want to watch in a few days of nonstop downloading....ntm most ISPs cap monthly downloads to 100gigs or so, and those are premium packages, many others are much less.

Downloading true HD movies is just not viable. MS doesn't need to package blu-ray in whith their consoles, they can make a blu-ray add-on.....which would be a smart move since 360 is very fond of add-ons...

# Exactlly... — Shatterdome 2009-01-08 12:15

If they did create an add-on bluray player, it would be another thing Sony could add to that list they just released to make the 360 even more expensive than PS3 and Sony would be able to gloat even more.

# @ Yamagushi — avatar76 2009-01-08 12:23

RE BD RIPs.

1080p BD rips off a memory stick? What codec are you using, I thought the 360 had a fairly limited set of codecs it works with especially when it comes to video playback in high def. I though WMVHD was about the only 1080p high def stuff that it will do? Are you converting BDs to WMVHD? How long does that take?

# I'd be interested — Genotype 2009-01-08 12:32

So I don't care what excuses M$ makes. I've seriously been considering trading in my 360 for a PS3.

# Retro man — avatar76 2009-01-08 12:33

Thanks for the tip from the AV club in the 1980s. You got any others like CD > Audio cassette. :)

# Hmm — avatar76 2009-01-08 12:34

Provided you've never hooked a 256meg memory card to your 360 and took it onto live.

# ... — Justingraziano 2009-01-08 12:42

So your telling me people didnt like the car customization, tattoos, clothing, and other stuff from San Andreas? Last time I cehcked everyone loved it. How bout you go read a few SA reviews and RESEARCH a few things before replying you *****ing Microsoft whore. Oh yea, and why dont you try playing MGS4. Oh wait, you cant! Nor will you EVER be able too!

# Rip !+ to real thing... — Shatterdome 2009-01-08 12:45

Rips are great for being smaller in size, and of course free....but the real thing is always better, just as it is with dvd rips.

Also just because the resolution of a picture is 720/1080p does not mean it's a quality picture. Rips compress video, which means you lose quality...period.

Both of these images are 720P, meaning they are HD, one is compressed though.....huge difference (make sure you view them full size)

uncompressed...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/shatterdome/2009_Audi_RS6_1280x720_HDTV_720p.jpg

Compressed

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/shatterdome/2009_Audi_RS6_1280x720_HDTV_720pcom.jpg

Just because it says 720p or 1080p (ie XBL movies and Rips) Does not mean you are getting the best picture quality possible....

# WTF?? — avatar76 2009-01-08 12:49

Get off the weed man, how was it proven with GTA IV, most reviews agree that the 360 version is superior. You think that if it were a PS3 exclusive it would be a better game?? Why then does the 360 version out perform the PS3 version? Are you suggesting that Rockstar had to cut stuff out of the game because it wouldn't fit on the disc for the 360? I've never heard rockstar make any such statements?

GTA IV is one of the best looking of the GTA games I've played, I'm glad about that too, for the first time I thought the characters actually looked presentable. I've got all the GTA games, the handheld ones even on my PSP. GTA IV was awesome, but again the 360 GPU in a multi platform release made the game have better graphics.

I still think the PS3 will probably be around longer then the 360 though, simply because games increase in size over time. It's just the natural progression of things. IE in spite of what MS are saying about the 360 being around one day longer then the PS3. I think sure the 360 will be around but they don't say the xb720 or whatever won't be around at the same time.

Anyway that's not what the article is about, it's about why MS don't see the need to introduce blu-ray into the 360.

# Damn... — Shatterdome 2009-01-08 12:50

This blog really needs to be updated to handle long addresses better, and to stop changing equals signs to plus signs...

Anyways, you can just goto

http://s4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/shatterdome/

Look at the first two pics of the cars, first one is compressed, second is not...remember, full size....

# @ Yamagushi — papajag 2009-01-08 13:00

Yeah they are great and I use my PS3 since I do have 500GB of space(only $100 now at Frys). My 360 only has 60GB so it's only for gaming for me.

# ... — Justingraziano 2009-01-08 13:01

Actually, the PS3 version of the game has better draw distances and loads faster (though it may load the same now that the 360 lets you rip disks to the HDD). And yes, I am suggesting that. They filled the entire DVD with no space left over, had their been more available why would they not have put some of the things that people loved from SA in? And of course RockStar didnt make any statements, THEY WERE PAID $50 MILLION DOLLARS FROM MICROSOFT TO KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT AND PUT THE STUFF ON EXCLUSIVE EXPANSIONS. The fact is that everything you do on a 360 generates Microsoft money, EVERYTHING.

# ... — Justingraziano 2009-01-08 13:06

Oh yea and guess what? It may surprise you but I HAVE A 360 AND A PS3! And I got my 360 before my PS3. Only after realizing that Microsoft was the only console maker that wanted money (despite them being one of the riches companies in the world) for online play, and that the 360 would soon be obsolete due to its obsolete media drive, did I actually buy a PS3. So why dont you get back to making your annual payment to Microsoft for that LIVE while I enjoy my ABSOLUTELY FREE AND FAR FAR SUPERIOR ONLINE PLAY on my PS3.

# @Shatterdome — Orlyeh 2009-01-08 13:08

There are no uncompressed HD movies. Blu-ray uses VC-1 and H.264/MPEG-4 AVC compression. To properly stream a full, 10-bit 1080p uncompressed video requires an 8-hard-drive RAID SATA setup.

# @silver-tiger — Popson 2009-01-08 13:09

Agreed... Seems like a filler statement. Doesn't apply to the topic at all.

# ... — Justingraziano 2009-01-08 13:13

How are my statements bad? How is the 360 better? Because idiot developers dont want to program for the PS3 because there too damn lazy? So they go exclusive to the 360? The PS3 has free online, tons of things the 360 doesnt have (like rechargable controllers and full backwards compatibility) and the few exclusives it does have prove that it is far far better than the 360.

# WTF!?!?!?!?! — ISOHaven 2009-01-08 13:16

@Yamagushi

"Nobody said anything about streaming. You can DOWNLOAD movies."

I'm waiting for you to validate your point. Seems to me you have none. Do you seriously think the average person wants to WAIT to download an ENTIRE MOVIE before they watch it? Keep in mind their connection is SLOW ENOUGH that they can't stream it. Not to mention those with LITTLE SPACE LEFT on their HDD....yeah, downloading your movies is BS. Most people simply will not or can not do it.

Also, I'm waiting for you further qualify your comment by addressing the REST of my post.

As for the rest of your ILLEGAL comment...what the heck does that have to do with this discussion? The average person wont download a SUPER COMPRESSED version of a movie so WTF would they download a 20GB version?

Additionaly, don't make address the arcade model!

# . — Justingraziano 2009-01-08 13:17

Your making a smart choice. Remember, games require space, something the 360 doesnt have. If you want a great game (like MGS4) then get a PS3.

# ISOHaven — Orlyeh 2009-01-08 13:19

"Do you seriously think the average person wants to WAIT to download an ENTIRE MOVIE before they watch it?"

This made me laugh.

inb4piracy

# ... — Justingraziano 2009-01-08 13:28

Hey, what do you think Microsoft is gonna do next gen? Where are they gonna store data? On Blu-Rays of course. Where else? Oh, maybe they'll just stick to there trusty DVDs or maybe, just maybe, they'll go back to CDs! That will save them a bunch, and the sad thing is people probably will STILL buy Xboxes!

# cbn — GamefreQ 2009-01-08 13:54

Yamagushi, Blu Ray is known because it uses a BLUE LASER to read data faster than anything ever before, so no idea what you're talking about.

# ... — Justingraziano 2009-01-08 13:58

OH WOW! GUESS *****ING WHAT! I decided to hook up my old 360 and see if there was a demo available for GTA IV so I could compare them but I guess I wont be doing that, CAUSE I GOT THE *****ING RED RING OF DEATH. WOW YEA THE 360 IS SOOO MUCH *****ING BETTER THAN THE PS3. *****ING PIECE OF *****.

# ps3retards — Aceboogz 2009-01-08 14:13

What are you ps3retards doing at our Xbox360 side?

Why dont you retards go back to you pretty purple side with no updates whatsoever.

Dont complain PS3 f*aggots you guys made a mistake admit it..

# sorry retards — Aceboogz 2009-01-08 14:15

i forgot that qj has to give xbox360 updates to the ps3 side because they dont have s*hit.

# Actually — phiyuku 2009-01-08 14:19

Blu Ray does read extremely fast. The problem is the revolution speed. The revolution speed of a blu ray drive at the moment is i think 2x. If it was to even increase by 1x it would be faster then a DVD. The thing is it needs to be prototyped first and then made a reality. Maybe an upgrade to the PS3 once a 3x-4x drive is being mass produced, that would be great but I don't know.

# Well Blu Ray is a sony thing — phiyuku 2009-01-08 14:23

so there is some justification to put it on the ps3 side. And PS3 side doesn't have sh*t now that's just your stupidy of not being able to count. If you really really look closely and stop acting retarded for a second you can see the PS3 side of QJ gets more updates than the Xbox 360 side.

# The second reason I forgot to put — phiyuku 2009-01-08 14:25

is that QJ really really likes Console Wars between fanboys.

# to avatar76 — TheDude 2009-01-08 14:28

I would love to read the review that says the 360 version of GTA IV out performs the PS3. Maybe its on xbox.com or something because all the credible review sites such as Ign and Gamespot give the upper hand to the PS3. Slighty faster loads, less pop in, more cars and peds at any given time and sharper graphics are some of the things mentioned that would make the PS3 version the superior one.

# @Mister — Cortador 2009-01-08 14:46

Actually thats wrong.

The basic stuff that you talk about covers less than 2GB in most cases. Just take a look at the demos of some games(Especiall y the ps3 exclusives).

# you know what? — Binary 2009-01-08 15:00

Go ***** yourself you rich mother *****ers. Good for you for having 1500 a week that can afford big 72inch pasma screen tv and buy all 3 next gen of gaming with thousands and thousands of games and the top of the line computer and a seat that got speakers vibrated you ass.

I dont care for fancy new *****. I not one of those *****ers that go uh oh my big screen tv no longer works. thats ok, I ask mommy and daddy for $2000 for bigger and better tv.

***** you you stupid *****ing ps3 fan boys. thats right QJ is infescted with god damn ps3 fan boys.

No one here no longer cares for the wii or the 360 or the ds.

End of rant!

# Yeah I'll agree with you there — avatar76 2009-01-08 15:01

"THEY WERE PAID $50 MILLION DOLLARS FROM MICROSOFT TO KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT AND PUT THE STUFF ON EXCLUSIVE EXPANSIONS. "

In that light it's possible they don't want to taint their exclusive expansions on the 360, by bad mouthing the 360 version of the game. Makes good business sense hey?

Your comment about everything you do on the 360 generates M$ dollars is probably a bit far fetched though, there's loads of free demos and free high def videos of game trailers and songs available off live and they release arcade games for free every now and then.

# eh — Binary 2009-01-08 15:05

QJ can too go ***** theirselfs. This site went way down hill ever since they remove a lot good of section.

I remember when I learn PSP hacking here but QJ never gives us homebrew updates like they use to. They fill it up full of junk and useless games that NOBODY plays.

so long QJ.

# Hey sorry — avatar76 2009-01-08 15:16

I was just having a joke with you there mate, didn't mean to cause you such offense. I'm not a PS3 fanboy either. I love the wii, 360 and the DS, Mariokart DS FTW!! :)

Sorry for making fun of your tip but it really did make me laugh because it's something I worked out playing around with my Dad's VCR in the 1980s. :) It was kind of off topic too which is the other reason I made fun of it.

I didn't want to make you feel bad for not having a High Def tv though. I only went high def about 6 months ago (mostly because I couldn't make up my mind between Plasma and LCD). I was also hopeful to see FED, SED or even OLED TVs by now but alas Plasma or LCD is the only real decision.

I consider myself very lucky to have a good job to be able to buy all that stuff I have. But I don't have a super computer or a sound system that vibrates my 4ss (maybe if I sat on my subwoofer??).

Again sorry for the offense it was not intended, thought you'd have a laugh and move on.

# ... — Justingraziano 2009-01-08 15:19

I really dont care, cause I got a good machine for playing games on. I'll just send it back to the ***** hole it came from and hope they have enough brain cells to fix it without blowing it up.

# .... — Tyrant156 2009-01-08 15:24

I cann BS on 360 having a Blu Ray codec I'm pretty sure you'd know if you had to convert it or not and Yamagushi seems very vauge about that point. I've tried all my Blu Ray rips on a 360 from a data disc and not one of them worked. A lot of MP4 files wouldn't work either.

# .... — Tyrant156 2009-01-08 15:32

I know this is off topic but mandatory installs aren't needed, its just a technique used by early developers unfamilar with the PS3. Go to isomniac's noctural page and you'll see that they shared this technique of copying the same data over and over on certain parts of the disc to load the game faster.

# ... — Justingraziano 2009-01-08 15:36

Oh and dont forget the ads. They also fill it with ads.

# @TheDude — avatar76 2009-01-08 15:48

Googled: "gta IV 360 vs PS3"

I can't find the review, but it was the guy who outed the Bungie and MS doing the fake 720p for Halo3. His comparison is the one that I read which declared GTAIV looks best on the 360 (ie he's not a 360 fanboy). You may be right regarding texture pop in, but that's probably more down to the madatory HDD install the PS3 has to do to play the game. It'd be interesting to do an updated comparison now that both have HDD installation capability?

kotaku tips it in PS3's favour though:

http://kotaku.com/384422/which-version-of-gta-iv-should-you-buy-we-compare-the-ps3-and-360-versions

This chick appears to have grabbed some of the guy's information + screen shots:

http://www.cnet.com.au/games/ps3/0,239035763,339289435,00.htm

It doesn't have the information on dithering though that the review I read had, aparently the 360 does dithering (which is a sneaky way of not having to run stuff at full colour pallete), in spite of this he tipped it in the 360's favour, he said something to the effect of overall the 360 looks better and it will be impossible for a person to see dithering. I personally bet if you got a giant enough screen you might be able to detect the dithering.

Yeah this one tips it in 360's favour too:

http://www.videogamer.com/features/article/29-04-2008-389.html

"Verdict:

Much has been made of the pop-in seen in the Xbox 360 game, but it's a minor problem that most gamers won't even notice. What is more significant is the roughness of the PS3 game, which came as quite a surprise after spending an awful lot of time with the 360 game. You won't be disappointed with either, but if you're only interested in the visuals we'd definitely recommend you buy the 360 game."

Most call it "Even Steven", it's just the 360 GPU that helps it nose forward, but it probably doesn't really matter, maybe the dithering stuff is easy to do on the 360 also?

If CPU was all that mattered in this world the PS3 would have nailed it for sure.

# PS3 does not mean best bluray player anymore — avatar76 2009-01-08 15:58

Yeah... look up the info on bitstreaming the high def codecs before you buy a PS3 (it doesn't do it). :( If you want bluray player buy a bluray player it'll be more future proofed then the PS3's built in one...

If you're sick of the 360 exclusives available fair enough get a PS3 (provided you like their's more). But don't buy a PS3 for a bluray player.

A $400 bluray player is going to be more future proofed for the high def audio codecs.

Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio.

I'm thinking I'll wait and see what the new year bring in terms of new bluray players.

# hehe — avatar76 2009-01-08 16:02

Justin do you really have a 360? If so take a photo with your RROD doing the piece sign with your hand in front of it (ie make a V with you first two fingers palm out to camera) and post it on photobucket or somewhere that we can see it. Otherwise I think you're just a PS3 fanboy who's run out of stuff to say about how good his PS3 is.

# ^ ^ ^ — Aceboogz 2009-01-08 16:24

Finally something all fanboys can agree on.

QJ removed hacking stuff and now were stuck with sh*itty a*ss homebrew. Ads are gey too.

btw XBOX360 > ps3

# ... — Shatterdome 2009-01-08 16:27

I am a broke ass as well, but was still able to join the HD revolution....

I picked up....

http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktop-monitors/lcd/x-series/vx2260wm.htm

Mainly as a replacement monitor for my PC as my CRT was 6 years old, but also so I could see what PS3 looks like in 1080P....and it's amazing, and now I can watch blu-rays as well.

It's only $300, and that is not alot of money, even for a broke ass to save up for.....it's not a huge view size, but whatever, it's still ridiculously better than standard Def with component cables....let alone RCA.

Then even if that is too pricey, you could buy a Tube TV with component inputs for like $100 nowadays, and even that would be a huge upgrade from using RCA.....

# uhh... — Shatterdome 2009-01-08 16:35

PS3 totally supports Dolby TrueHD....says so on the box. The only problem is that no, it does not support it via bitstreaming, you have to let the PS3 decode it and send it via PCM and then disable the bitstream decoding on your receiver......big deal....

Read the bottom of this article if you don't beleive me....

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/05/08/no-dolby-truehd-or-dts-hd-for-ps3-owners/

# Hehe... — anhero 2009-01-08 16:44

I CALL BULL***** ON ALL OF YOU

Regular Hd movies don't take 20gbs, most take around 2gb to 6gb (Yes, Transformers Blu-ray which is one of the heaviest size is almost 5gb but not there). Actually an HD movie takes like 2.5X the size. So yes, xbl as well as psn can offer uncompressed full length movies. Yeah so that shows how uninform are the ps3 fanboys about ther media format average size and how some 360 fanboy lied on having a 20gb hd movie on his flash drive and playing it on his 360 from it, which you should know that neither systems cant play hd videos right off the box from a flash drive (unless you hack it...)

tl;dr: ps3 fanboys and 360 fanboys lie and make up facts to diss each others systems becuz they just dont feel quite satisfied with the system they bought and they feel better if they can undervalue the other systems in an attempt to justfy their buy...

# What I'd like to see from XBOX — hakk3r 2009-01-08 16:51

Games that don't come on 6 *****ING DISCS!!!!!

Jesus christ, they ran out of space in the case so they decided to put the rest of the discs in little paper disc holders....

Guess what Microsoft! MGS4, 50gb BLUERAY DISC!!! NO NEED FOR 6 DISCS!!!!

FFS, microsoft sucks...

# Good job buddy.... — Shatterdome 2009-01-08 17:23

Dark Knight, Blu-ray iso....37.92 gigs.....rip out the lower quality audio, ehhh maybe get it down to 30 gigs....

# anhero — ... 2009-01-08 17:26

yeah okay BS! so if all these HD movies only take between 4-6 Gb why even have bluray for HD movies anyway? i mean all those 4-6 Gb HD movies could just fit on a single dual layer DVD according to your little fact about how much space hd movies take up.

# BD-Rom speeds... — Shatterdome 2009-01-08 17:27

are already way above 2X

http://www.cbit.ca/product.aspx?ProdID+6968

check it out, of course if it's +6968, change it to "equals sign" 6968

That is actually a ridiculously awesome drive for anyone looking for a BD-Rom for their PC....it also has HD-DVD, so they are selling it super cheap to just try and get rid of it......but it has a 6X BD-ROM.

The beautiful thing about PS3 is you can swap out it'd BD-ROM, so if you have a little know how you can actually buy faster drives and put them in....the PS3 doesn't look for specific firmware or anything on it, just if it fits it works...

# LOL — avatar76 2009-01-08 17:53

So you're happy with two channel stereo.

Unless this is some sort of 5.1 chanel PCM.

As far as I know except for some proprietary formats which nothing supports PCM is stereo.

PS3 supports the new codecs as in down converts to stereo PCM, gee thanks sony, I just paid >$3000 for a sound system now I'm going to play my movies in stereo PCM. Yay my PS3 can output the same audio as what a laser disc could. Bitstream is required for the new audio formats like it or not and sony were fools for leaving it out, not that the MS did any better with the 360 HD DVD drive....

My comment still stands if you want a bluray player buy a bluray player.

# Yamaguchi's BD rip comment — avatar76 2009-01-08 18:27

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VC-1

Found this info here, I would guess if you got a BD ripped to this and stuck it on a big 4ss memory stick or USB HDD it'd play on the 360 just fine.

# lol — Binary 2009-01-08 18:28

its alright had a bad day anyways

# @ anhero — papajag 2009-01-08 18:30

Some BD rips take up 20GB if you want a full 1080P quality movie but I always end up getting the 720 because size is much smaller. It's not fanboyism it's the truth. You sir need to download some for yourself and see what everyone is talking about.

# hakk3r — Binary 2009-01-08 18:33

Bonus disc don't count you douche bag.

# Ffs — UltimaXIX 2009-01-08 18:57

Yes, some HD rips could fit on DVDs, but they'd still have a far lower bitrate than the original Bluray source, and look tonnes crappier. Higher resolution doesn't have to mean higher quality.

# LOL — saldude2 2009-01-08 19:13

youre right LOL

ps3 fanboys F u

xbox fanboys F u

PC fanboys F u

nintendo fanboys F u

Non-fanboys U Rock

# lol, I miss the good ole days.... — ConXept 2009-01-08 19:29

The days when we used to watch movies on our decked out 4-head vcrs through s-video, now look at us.

Seriously though, if you people are so picky that 720p does not satisfy you, then you deserve your PS3. But Jesus I'm still happy watching Upconverted Dvds on my 27 inch Westinghouse LCD.

Now I'm not gonna make a dumb ass comment like I can't tell the difference between the two, but I will say the difference isn't worth the cost.....Yet.

# Yamagushi — Tyrant156 2009-01-08 19:34

Yes some were converted I mentioned that they were converted to MP4s and some were raw and neither played and yes I was connected to live. Remeber i'm talking about playing these videos from a data disc burned onto a DVD. Half my collecting of burned stuff didn't work on the 360.

# stupid — ps3rocks360sucks 2009-01-08 20:05

not evry xbox fan has internet

# Again, stop using caps. — xploren 2009-01-08 22:29

Makes you look like a complete idiot. All those asterisks just adds to it.

I own a PS3, but that fanboyism was just sad. Please go get a life.

# *sigh* — xploren 2009-01-08 22:34

I pity you dumbasses for having terrible brains. First, homebrew is a great thing to have. If you don't like it, you don't have to badmouth it. And advertisements are what this place needs to keep going. How else are they going to make money? Like anyone actually donates.

"btw XBOX360 > ps3". Wow. Again, I pity you.

# all this reasons from Xbox reps when — Quixand 2009-01-08 23:32

it's pretty obvious why:

PRIDE

# Xbox 360 Multi Disc's games I can think of — phiyuku 2009-01-09 00:38

Blue Dragon - 3 Discs

Lost Odyssey- 4 Discs

Last Remnant -2 Discs

Infinite Undiscovery - 2 Discs

Oblivion GOTY - 2 Discs ( I wouldn't really count this because the 2nd disc is really DLC in the form a disc but whoever wants to use this to prove a point go ahead I guess)

# There — chessboxer 2009-01-09 01:56

are about 4 or 5 games on the 360 which are multiple disc. Star Ocean 4 will be multi disc too (3 discs) and so will Final Fantasy XIII when that comes out in 2010.

# ??? — Shatterdome 2009-01-09 02:12

The only difference between the two is that bitstream is the raw data from the blu-ray, which needs to be decoded. You would use this if you want to use your amp to decode the audio.

However the majority of blu-ray players (PS3 Included) can be used to decode the audio before passing it to the amp....this is the linear pcm option.....which is what you use to get Dolby TrueHD

Did you even bother reading the link I posted ?

drrrr....

# heres another link.... — Shatterdome 2009-01-09 02:19

http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/ps3-no-dolby-truehd-1353.shtml

Read it this time, understand, and be wrong...

# Well.... — ConXept 2009-01-09 04:02

Well pride undeniably has something to do with it, but as a consumer the truth is I don't need it at the moment and the difference between 720p hd and 1080p blu-ray quality Hd, isn't worth the price difference. Especially when one compares a dvd's price to that of a Bluray. The truth is, that an upscaled dvd provides more than enough quality and contrast ratio compared to the horendous price of a single blu-ray. I mean come on at wal-mart you can buy 5 Anamorphic widescreen dvds for the price of one blu-ray.

Is Bluray's quality worth the cost? Not Yet.

# To shatonbrain — avatar76 2009-01-09 04:02

You've got no idea buddy, I'll explain it all to you I assumed you had a basic understanding of DVD codecs at least but I guess you don't.

Linear PCM: Two channel stereo (Left and Right).

DTS and Dolby Digital 5.1: capable of up to 5.1 separate channels of audio (front left, front right, front centre, rear left and read right).

DTSHD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD are higher definition versions of these. To most people that actually own anything other then a two chanel stereo or a TV, multi channel device output is mandatory and Linear PCM output just doesn't cut it. Admitedly there is a standard Dolby Digital 5.1 track included on most bluray discs but why would you want to play a *****ier version of the same thing. The real answer as I said before is to not buy a PS3 as a bluray player. You can send me all the links you like where fanboys have tried to shout down news places for reporting the facts but you are wrong.

Enjoy your fail :)

shaterbrain audio codec FAIL.

# The REAL reason — platon 2009-01-09 04:09

It's too late. Right now the BD equipped xbox 360s would only be able to play movies and not videogames, since pre-BD xbox 360 users could not play new games. So in this way, nobody would pay the price of the PS3 (A bd player for x360) just to add BD playback... Instead, buy a ps3. THey can't go back now.

# It's Multi Channel PCM — avatar76 2009-01-09 04:21

Not Linear, sorry dude when you said Linear PCM (which is stereo). You pretty well made me see red, I was trying to explain that PCM is normally stereo. Yeah OK Multi channel PCM is a nice get by but bitstream would be better still but can't have everything hey?

I didn't realise that multichannel PCM had became mainstream creative had a go at it in the late 90s but nothing but their gear could read it, it would output via a standard toslink interface though. It may be a different type of thing to that though.

I'll go eat my words now :)

Sorry about the fail there.

# BD — logicbomb.de 2009-01-09 05:20

PS3 still uses a 2x BD drive

# GTAIV — logicbomb.de 2009-01-09 05:31

The PS3 version of GTAIV had a native res of LESS THAN 720p.

Just like the "fake" 720p you mentioned for Halo3.

# oops! — logicbomb.de 2009-01-09 05:33

Ignore the above comment.

replied to the wrong one, but who cares, its not like anyone actually pays attention to FACTS anymore....

# to you it might not be — Quixand 2009-01-09 09:23

to me it is... aside from a PS3 i have a Sony Bluray Player and over 90 blu ray movies (add another three since i just bought The Librabrian Series)

but i do realize that for you it's not needed at the moment... it's cool, jump in anytime or not at all... respect.

but just saying the obvious truth which nobody is saying but everybody knows... no matter what spin they say still the reason is PRIDE... it's like them saying "ok we admit now, the PS3 is better" and all their media grabbing is the reason for that (Aaron G. is always on the news everytime he can, badmouthing everything PS3 not to mention Shane K)... they've shown no class at all from the get go... now thay can't be taking it all back.

cause fact of the matter is that is the ONLY reason, nothing else applies cause they peddled HDDVD before it lost... all the spin on why Blu Ray is not needed doesn't applied because they sold HDDVD...

ONLY reason is PRIDE.

# I cant believe I signed up to reply.. — git131269 2009-01-09 11:16

I have no knowledge of X-Box, my 10 Y.O. son had the wisdom to ask for a PS3....

but MULTI DISC?

Really?

what, actually change discs over?

like FFVII?

And Sinclair Spectrum?

My gosh, how retro.

# WTF!?!?!?!?! — ISOHaven 2009-01-09 12:48

In the end, Yamagushi is RE-ENCODING his movies.

So not only do you download 20GB of data you then RE-ENCODE 20GB of data THEN you have to move it to your 360.

1. That's is crap and 99% of the people out there will NEVER do that.

2. You are LOSING QUALITY when you do it.

3. I call BS on all of it as you claim you still have 20GB to take to your 360. No mater how you RE-ENCODE the audio you WILL LOSE MOST OF IT and you wont have anything close to 20GB once you're done.

# .... — Tyrant156 2009-01-09 13:29

No Yamagushi he knows exactly what he's talking about, you must be downloading a file that someone already took the time to convert and that file has a loss in quality. And what drive are you talking about you throw on so that it plays on the 360?

# The other thing is... — Shatterdome 2009-01-09 13:50

PCM describes the Stereo format

Linear PCM is used to describe the multichannel format.....

When you read bluray reviews they talk about Linear PCM audio....as it's assumed people know that is multichannel.

Bitstream is only better if your receiver/amp can decode to DTS-HD....and this is the thing that PS3 does not support. However, there is a raging debate whether DolbyTrueHD or DTS-HD is better sounding....both are lossless so for 99% of people Dolby TrueHD will be just fine.

Really simplified the different audio is stored in a .zip file or .rar file, whichever you are used to....bitstream sends this ".zip" file to the receiver/amp for it to "un-zip" When you select LPCM, the PS3 or Blu-ray player is "un-zipping" the information, then sending that info to the receiver/amp......

They Bitstream and LPCM is basically the same thing, it's just a difference in where the information is processed, by the player or by the receiver/amp.....

# ... — Shatterdome 2009-01-09 13:54

It's very easy to make a bluray/dvd combo drive....so games would still be developed on DVD but people with the "super elite" would be able to watch blu-rays as well...

Still, MS would be giving in....and Sony would gloat more...

# Three reasons — Viphid 2009-01-09 14:12

Digital Downloads, Digital Downloads and finally, Digital Downloads.

Even though you Sony naysayers have your one favorable point (Blu-Ray runs in 1080p) it's just a matter of time before we're streaming that much HD or better. Japan isp's run at 80mps standard. It costs movie studios less money to ship a movie over the net than it does to print discs, package art, ship and distribute movies. Discs are on the out, digital downloads are in. I mean, even Sony has a digital download movie section in their Playsta Store. Just accept it.

-V

# ..... — Tyrant156 2009-01-09 14:46

lol what? first you start of with digital downloads and now you're talking about streaming...those aren't that same thing. Plus all your digital downloads are super compressed and have very low quality. As for the downloading, are you going to sit there and download a 20gig HD movie? you better have a lot of time on your hands and a very big hard drive, and what about the option of taking the movie to a friends house? Trust me digital downloads aren't replacing anything anytime soon.

# As long as it's not Blu-Ray — Viphid 2009-01-09 18:43

it doesn't matter. Digital Downloads and Streaming are essentially the same. They both do not require a disc to be read. Honestly, I'll take my streaming over DD. On Demand is the reason I do not buy DVD's anymore. Is still the reason I wont waste my time and money on a PS3. Netflix, On Demand, TeVo... after all that, all optical discs should be used for is coasters. Look what happened to the music industry. You'd have to be a 'tard to think it wasn't going to be that way for movies and tv shows. Microsoft has the answer and I agree with it 100%. Blu-Ray can bite the big one just like HD-DVD.

-V

# .... — Tyrant156 2009-01-09 21:24

Ummm doesnt matter how fast your internet connection is it depends on where your getting it from what HD movies thats 20 gigs is being uploaded in a couple hours? That's even more BS and yeah digital downloads are great until your hard drive corrupts and again you styill didnt answer the question of what hard drive your using to play 20 gig movies on your 360 cause it sure aint the 360 hard drive they dont even allow you to copy movies. And V you still havent answered the question about where are you going to store all these digital downloaded movies or how low the quality is or how can you use the movies at other peoples houses. Music files are small and easier to transfer movie files are not. DVD players are cheaper you dont need a internet connection and you can buy a disc that you own and can take anywhere, how can a set top box that needs a monthy fee and a super huge hard drive beat that?

# ...... — Tyrant156 2009-01-10 14:01

What? There are tons of people here that use private trackers. I use private trackers, name the movie that was 20 gigs that you downloaded in a few hours.

And no I didnt say downloading things makes your hard drive corrupt but THEY DO corrupt, the 360 hard drive corrupts and you lose everything so how is that better then owning an actual disc? Yeah downloading all your movies over again is a load of fun.

You bring your HDD drive to a friends house...to hook into what? lol most people have DVD players and blu ray players play DVDS. Only the newer dvd players have usb ports and the codecs are as limited as the 360.

Trust me man I'm with the times and digital downloads arent it. I dont care how big HDDs get they exclude too many people out. You would trust all your games and all your movies on a HDD? What about the people that watch movies and have no internet connection?

# WTF!?!?!?!?! — ISOHaven 2009-01-12 06:30

@Yamagushi

It would seem Tyrant156 already put you in your place. Why is it OTHER people know exactly what I'm talking about yet YOU fail to understand the most basic of points?

"But conversion does not mean a huge or even noticeable loss of quality."

BS! What are you using? A 19" monitor to watch your movies? The audio alone becomes very noticable. But you must also be using a pair of computer speakers in your living room.

"but i can download 20gb in a few hours no problem."

BS! Even on FiOS that is hard to come by. It completly depends on the other side. You can only download as fast as THEY can upload.

"In America weve proposed to congress many times to set up a free national internet."

Um, you are kidding right? There is no such thing. Anything "national" will not be free. There's a reason they have to KEEP trying to pass it....BECAUSE WE CAN NOT AFFORD IT!!!!!

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