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Microsoft: lots of reasons why Xbox 360 won't go Blu-ray |
Listed in: PS3, Xbox 360 Tags: CES, Microsoft, Netflix, Robbie Bach, Sony
Since Sony decided to lay out its cards in the light of CES 2009, it's
only fair Microsoft does too. In a recent interview, Microsoft's Robbie
Bach explains why they'll never introduce Blu-ray on the Xbox 360.The biggest reason? Xbox 360 gamers just aren't that interested. But let's let Bach do the talking:
ItÂ’s not a feature we get a ton of requests for. We really donÂ’t. When you ask people the list of things they want to see us spending time creating in Xbox, Blu-ray is way, way down on the list.
The second thing is, from a technical perspective, it doesnÂ’t help us in the core of what Xbox does, which is in gaming. We canÂ’t have publishers produce games on Blu-ray disc. Because then they wonÂ’t play on the 28 million Xboxes weÂ’ve already shipped. So it doesnÂ’t help us in the core gaming space.
The third thing, and this maps to all three of those, is that it costs a lot of money. And so the scenario is, OK, let me get this straight: IÂ’m going to add something to the product thatÂ’s going to raise the cost, which means the price goes up, consumers arenÂ’t asking for it, and by the way, my game developers canÂ’t use it.
Oh, and by the way, I have an even better way for you to get high-definition content straight to your TV, between the combination of what weÂ’re doing with Netflix, what weÂ’re doing with (video on demand), we have a great Xbox Live solution. In a way itÂ’s a little bit of a technology looking for an answer. We just have no plans in that space.
Fair enough. A lot of multiplatform games were delayed simply because programming was that much harder on the PlayStation 3. It can be argued that a great game needs proper time to develop, but when a mediocre game gets delayed on both consoles because of programming issues on the more sophisticated console, that bites.
Then again, sticking with the DVD format has its downsides. The most obvious one is that you just don't have the advantage of space, as proven by games like LittleBigPlanet and Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. A big reason why both games couldn't appear on the Xbox 360 was because of the lack of space on the DVD.
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- LittleBigPlanet designed for PS3, couldn't have made it for Xbox 360
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They have 28 mil consoles sod with 17 million people capable of just downloading HD movies directly to the console without going to the store to buy any.
I dont see the big deal in it at all.
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I hate wireless networks so I rather game with a Lan cable anyways. I glad its optional imo but in the feature I might have to give up the 100 bucks to hide the nasty wires but I going to wait until linksys found a way to go through 5 or 6 walls.
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so standard dvds is still decent to me. (Hint: RCA Jacks>Coax)
I also use RCA Jacks on my Directv. stupid installer uses coax.
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And you need more space with multiple disc than one big disc because you must write in everyone the engine and all the basic stuff...
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What does the format of the disc have to do with the programming of the games????
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Only a very small percentage of people in the US are able to stream HD.
Even then streamed HD DOES NOT EQUAL BD. NOT EVEN CLOSE!
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Besides, then MS would be able to spin it in a way that makes them sound good. "We offer the same high definition disc features as the other guys, but we dont force you to buy it, instead you buy it seperately", or something
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Downloading true HD movies is just not viable. MS doesn't need to package blu-ray in whith their consoles, they can make a blu-ray add-on.....which would be a smart move since 360 is very fond of add-ons...
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1080p BD rips off a memory stick? What codec are you using, I thought the 360 had a fairly limited set of codecs it works with especially when it comes to video playback in high def. I though WMVHD was about the only 1080p high def stuff that it will do? Are you converting BDs to WMVHD? How long does that take?
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Also just because the resolution of a picture is 720/1080p does not mean it's a quality picture. Rips compress video, which means you lose quality...period.
Both of these images are 720P, meaning they are HD, one is compressed though.....huge difference (make sure you view them full size)
uncompressed...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/shatterdome/2009_Audi_RS6_1280x720_HDTV_720p.jpg
Compressed
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/shatterdome/2009_Audi_RS6_1280x720_HDTV_720pcom.jpg
Just because it says 720p or 1080p (ie XBL movies and Rips) Does not mean you are getting the best picture quality possible....
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GTA IV is one of the best looking of the GTA games I've played, I'm glad about that too, for the first time I thought the characters actually looked presentable. I've got all the GTA games, the handheld ones even on my PSP. GTA IV was awesome, but again the 360 GPU in a multi platform release made the game have better graphics.
I still think the PS3 will probably be around longer then the 360 though, simply because games increase in size over time. It's just the natural progression of things. IE in spite of what MS are saying about the 360 being around one day longer then the PS3. I think sure the 360 will be around but they don't say the xb720 or whatever won't be around at the same time.
Anyway that's not what the article is about, it's about why MS don't see the need to introduce blu-ray into the 360.
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Anyways, you can just goto
http://s4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/shatterdome/
Look at the first two pics of the cars, first one is compressed, second is not...remember, full size....
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"Nobody said anything about streaming. You can DOWNLOAD movies."
I'm waiting for you to validate your point. Seems to me you have none. Do you seriously think the average person wants to WAIT to download an ENTIRE MOVIE before they watch it? Keep in mind their connection is SLOW ENOUGH that they can't stream it. Not to mention those with LITTLE SPACE LEFT on their HDD....yeah, downloading your movies is BS. Most people simply will not or can not do it.
Also, I'm waiting for you further qualify your comment by addressing the REST of my post.
As for the rest of your ILLEGAL comment...what the heck does that have to do with this discussion? The average person wont download a SUPER COMPRESSED version of a movie so WTF would they download a 20GB version?
Additionaly, don't make address the arcade model!
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This made me laugh.
inb4piracy
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Why dont you retards go back to you pretty purple side with no updates whatsoever.
Dont complain PS3 f*aggots you guys made a mistake admit it..
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The basic stuff that you talk about covers less than 2GB in most cases. Just take a look at the demos of some games(Especiall y the ps3 exclusives).
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I dont care for fancy new *****. I not one of those *****ers that go uh oh my big screen tv no longer works. thats ok, I ask mommy and daddy for $2000 for bigger and better tv.
***** you you stupid *****ing ps3 fan boys. thats right QJ is infescted with god damn ps3 fan boys.
No one here no longer cares for the wii or the 360 or the ds.
End of rant!
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In that light it's possible they don't want to taint their exclusive expansions on the 360, by bad mouthing the 360 version of the game. Makes good business sense hey?
Your comment about everything you do on the 360 generates M$ dollars is probably a bit far fetched though, there's loads of free demos and free high def videos of game trailers and songs available off live and they release arcade games for free every now and then.
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I remember when I learn PSP hacking here but QJ never gives us homebrew updates like they use to. They fill it up full of junk and useless games that NOBODY plays.
so long QJ.
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Sorry for making fun of your tip but it really did make me laugh because it's something I worked out playing around with my Dad's VCR in the 1980s. :) It was kind of off topic too which is the other reason I made fun of it.
I didn't want to make you feel bad for not having a High Def tv though. I only went high def about 6 months ago (mostly because I couldn't make up my mind between Plasma and LCD). I was also hopeful to see FED, SED or even OLED TVs by now but alas Plasma or LCD is the only real decision.
I consider myself very lucky to have a good job to be able to buy all that stuff I have. But I don't have a super computer or a sound system that vibrates my 4ss (maybe if I sat on my subwoofer??).
Again sorry for the offense it was not intended, thought you'd have a laugh and move on.
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I can't find the review, but it was the guy who outed the Bungie and MS doing the fake 720p for Halo3. His comparison is the one that I read which declared GTAIV looks best on the 360 (ie he's not a 360 fanboy). You may be right regarding texture pop in, but that's probably more down to the madatory HDD install the PS3 has to do to play the game. It'd be interesting to do an updated comparison now that both have HDD installation capability?
kotaku tips it in PS3's favour though:
http://kotaku.com/384422/which-version-of-gta-iv-should-you-buy-we-compare-the-ps3-and-360-versions
This chick appears to have grabbed some of the guy's information + screen shots:
http://www.cnet.com.au/games/ps3/0,239035763,339289435,00.htm
It doesn't have the information on dithering though that the review I read had, aparently the 360 does dithering (which is a sneaky way of not having to run stuff at full colour pallete), in spite of this he tipped it in the 360's favour, he said something to the effect of overall the 360 looks better and it will be impossible for a person to see dithering. I personally bet if you got a giant enough screen you might be able to detect the dithering.
Yeah this one tips it in 360's favour too:
http://www.videogamer.com/features/article/29-04-2008-389.html
"Verdict:
Much has been made of the pop-in seen in the Xbox 360 game, but it's a minor problem that most gamers won't even notice. What is more significant is the roughness of the PS3 game, which came as quite a surprise after spending an awful lot of time with the 360 game. You won't be disappointed with either, but if you're only interested in the visuals we'd definitely recommend you buy the 360 game."
Most call it "Even Steven", it's just the 360 GPU that helps it nose forward, but it probably doesn't really matter, maybe the dithering stuff is easy to do on the 360 also?
If CPU was all that mattered in this world the PS3 would have nailed it for sure.
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If you're sick of the 360 exclusives available fair enough get a PS3 (provided you like their's more). But don't buy a PS3 for a bluray player.
A $400 bluray player is going to be more future proofed for the high def audio codecs.
Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio.
I'm thinking I'll wait and see what the new year bring in terms of new bluray players.
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QJ removed hacking stuff and now were stuck with sh*itty a*ss homebrew. Ads are gey too.
btw XBOX360 > ps3
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I picked up....
http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktop-monitors/lcd/x-series/vx2260wm.htm
Mainly as a replacement monitor for my PC as my CRT was 6 years old, but also so I could see what PS3 looks like in 1080P....and it's amazing, and now I can watch blu-rays as well.
It's only $300, and that is not alot of money, even for a broke ass to save up for.....it's not a huge view size, but whatever, it's still ridiculously better than standard Def with component cables....let alone RCA.
Then even if that is too pricey, you could buy a Tube TV with component inputs for like $100 nowadays, and even that would be a huge upgrade from using RCA.....
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Read the bottom of this article if you don't beleive me....
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/05/08/no-dolby-truehd-or-dts-hd-for-ps3-owners/
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Regular Hd movies don't take 20gbs, most take around 2gb to 6gb (Yes, Transformers Blu-ray which is one of the heaviest size is almost 5gb but not there). Actually an HD movie takes like 2.5X the size. So yes, xbl as well as psn can offer uncompressed full length movies. Yeah so that shows how uninform are the ps3 fanboys about ther media format average size and how some 360 fanboy lied on having a 20gb hd movie on his flash drive and playing it on his 360 from it, which you should know that neither systems cant play hd videos right off the box from a flash drive (unless you hack it...)
tl;dr: ps3 fanboys and 360 fanboys lie and make up facts to diss each others systems becuz they just dont feel quite satisfied with the system they bought and they feel better if they can undervalue the other systems in an attempt to justfy their buy...
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Jesus christ, they ran out of space in the case so they decided to put the rest of the discs in little paper disc holders....
Guess what Microsoft! MGS4, 50gb BLUERAY DISC!!! NO NEED FOR 6 DISCS!!!!
FFS, microsoft sucks...
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http://www.cbit.ca/product.aspx?ProdID+6968
check it out, of course if it's +6968, change it to "equals sign" 6968
That is actually a ridiculously awesome drive for anyone looking for a BD-Rom for their PC....it also has HD-DVD, so they are selling it super cheap to just try and get rid of it......but it has a 6X BD-ROM.
The beautiful thing about PS3 is you can swap out it'd BD-ROM, so if you have a little know how you can actually buy faster drives and put them in....the PS3 doesn't look for specific firmware or anything on it, just if it fits it works...
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Unless this is some sort of 5.1 chanel PCM.
As far as I know except for some proprietary formats which nothing supports PCM is stereo.
PS3 supports the new codecs as in down converts to stereo PCM, gee thanks sony, I just paid >$3000 for a sound system now I'm going to play my movies in stereo PCM. Yay my PS3 can output the same audio as what a laser disc could. Bitstream is required for the new audio formats like it or not and sony were fools for leaving it out, not that the MS did any better with the 360 HD DVD drive....
My comment still stands if you want a bluray player buy a bluray player.
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Found this info here, I would guess if you got a BD ripped to this and stuck it on a big 4ss memory stick or USB HDD it'd play on the 360 just fine.
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ps3 fanboys F u
xbox fanboys F u
PC fanboys F u
nintendo fanboys F u
Non-fanboys U Rock
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Seriously though, if you people are so picky that 720p does not satisfy you, then you deserve your PS3. But Jesus I'm still happy watching Upconverted Dvds on my 27 inch Westinghouse LCD.
Now I'm not gonna make a dumb ass comment like I can't tell the difference between the two, but I will say the difference isn't worth the cost.....Yet.
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I own a PS3, but that fanboyism was just sad. Please go get a life.
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"btw XBOX360 > ps3". Wow. Again, I pity you.
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PRIDE
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Lost Odyssey- 4 Discs
Last Remnant -2 Discs
Infinite Undiscovery - 2 Discs
Oblivion GOTY - 2 Discs ( I wouldn't really count this because the 2nd disc is really DLC in the form a disc but whoever wants to use this to prove a point go ahead I guess)
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However the majority of blu-ray players (PS3 Included) can be used to decode the audio before passing it to the amp....this is the linear pcm option.....which is what you use to get Dolby TrueHD
Did you even bother reading the link I posted ?
drrrr....
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Read it this time, understand, and be wrong...
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Is Bluray's quality worth the cost? Not Yet.
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Linear PCM: Two channel stereo (Left and Right).
DTS and Dolby Digital 5.1: capable of up to 5.1 separate channels of audio (front left, front right, front centre, rear left and read right).
DTSHD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD are higher definition versions of these. To most people that actually own anything other then a two chanel stereo or a TV, multi channel device output is mandatory and Linear PCM output just doesn't cut it. Admitedly there is a standard Dolby Digital 5.1 track included on most bluray discs but why would you want to play a *****ier version of the same thing. The real answer as I said before is to not buy a PS3 as a bluray player. You can send me all the links you like where fanboys have tried to shout down news places for reporting the facts but you are wrong.
Enjoy your fail :)
shaterbrain audio codec FAIL.
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I didn't realise that multichannel PCM had became mainstream creative had a go at it in the late 90s but nothing but their gear could read it, it would output via a standard toslink interface though. It may be a different type of thing to that though.
I'll go eat my words now :)
Sorry about the fail there.
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Just like the "fake" 720p you mentioned for Halo3.
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replied to the wrong one, but who cares, its not like anyone actually pays attention to FACTS anymore....
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but i do realize that for you it's not needed at the moment... it's cool, jump in anytime or not at all... respect.
but just saying the obvious truth which nobody is saying but everybody knows... no matter what spin they say still the reason is PRIDE... it's like them saying "ok we admit now, the PS3 is better" and all their media grabbing is the reason for that (Aaron G. is always on the news everytime he can, badmouthing everything PS3 not to mention Shane K)... they've shown no class at all from the get go... now thay can't be taking it all back.
cause fact of the matter is that is the ONLY reason, nothing else applies cause they peddled HDDVD before it lost... all the spin on why Blu Ray is not needed doesn't applied because they sold HDDVD...
ONLY reason is PRIDE.
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but MULTI DISC?
Really?
what, actually change discs over?
like FFVII?
And Sinclair Spectrum?
My gosh, how retro.
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So not only do you download 20GB of data you then RE-ENCODE 20GB of data THEN you have to move it to your 360.
1. That's is crap and 99% of the people out there will NEVER do that.
2. You are LOSING QUALITY when you do it.
3. I call BS on all of it as you claim you still have 20GB to take to your 360. No mater how you RE-ENCODE the audio you WILL LOSE MOST OF IT and you wont have anything close to 20GB once you're done.
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Linear PCM is used to describe the multichannel format.....
When you read bluray reviews they talk about Linear PCM audio....as it's assumed people know that is multichannel.
Bitstream is only better if your receiver/amp can decode to DTS-HD....and this is the thing that PS3 does not support. However, there is a raging debate whether DolbyTrueHD or DTS-HD is better sounding....both are lossless so for 99% of people Dolby TrueHD will be just fine.
Really simplified the different audio is stored in a .zip file or .rar file, whichever you are used to....bitstream sends this ".zip" file to the receiver/amp for it to "un-zip" When you select LPCM, the PS3 or Blu-ray player is "un-zipping" the information, then sending that info to the receiver/amp......
They Bitstream and LPCM is basically the same thing, it's just a difference in where the information is processed, by the player or by the receiver/amp.....
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Still, MS would be giving in....and Sony would gloat more...
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Even though you Sony naysayers have your one favorable point (Blu-Ray runs in 1080p) it's just a matter of time before we're streaming that much HD or better. Japan isp's run at 80mps standard. It costs movie studios less money to ship a movie over the net than it does to print discs, package art, ship and distribute movies. Discs are on the out, digital downloads are in. I mean, even Sony has a digital download movie section in their Playsta Store. Just accept it.
-V
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-V
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And no I didnt say downloading things makes your hard drive corrupt but THEY DO corrupt, the 360 hard drive corrupts and you lose everything so how is that better then owning an actual disc? Yeah downloading all your movies over again is a load of fun.
You bring your HDD drive to a friends house...to hook into what? lol most people have DVD players and blu ray players play DVDS. Only the newer dvd players have usb ports and the codecs are as limited as the 360.
Trust me man I'm with the times and digital downloads arent it. I dont care how big HDDs get they exclude too many people out. You would trust all your games and all your movies on a HDD? What about the people that watch movies and have no internet connection?
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It would seem Tyrant156 already put you in your place. Why is it OTHER people know exactly what I'm talking about yet YOU fail to understand the most basic of points?
"But conversion does not mean a huge or even noticeable loss of quality."
BS! What are you using? A 19" monitor to watch your movies? The audio alone becomes very noticable. But you must also be using a pair of computer speakers in your living room.
"but i can download 20gb in a few hours no problem."
BS! Even on FiOS that is hard to come by. It completly depends on the other side. You can only download as fast as THEY can upload.
"In America weve proposed to congress many times to set up a free national internet."
Um, you are kidding right? There is no such thing. Anything "national" will not be free. There's a reason they have to KEEP trying to pass it....BECAUSE WE CAN NOT AFFORD IT!!!!!
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