Just more mindless word slinging. Somehow the PSN having 20 million users is some impossible feat? This isn't 2005-2006. Just because it seemed like their system was Jesus doesn't mean it is. He can believe what he wants, facts are facts and are facts. I guess he'll say he doesn't believe Wii isn't in first place in the console war either.

XBOX you will never have the True Power of a PS3.



PS3 RULES!!! AND KILLZONE 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!



BETTER THAN XBOX360 AND THE RING OF DEATH.



XBOX360 IS A CONSOLE MADE TO FAIL

20 million accounts maybe, but how many are actually active? I bet half, if that.

Same could be said with XBL, right?

Just stop gaming. You're not making anyone look good here. Go play your games instead of wasting time talking about how much better your system is.

When they said 17 million members they meant gold members and NOT the silver members. affcorse the gold members are active cuz they pay for it. wish i could say the same thing with the PSN. the TOTAL xbox live member = to the consoles sold

i dont care about the PSN numbers cuz its free and every human i know who has a PS3 has more than 2 acoounts and that means the ACTUAL numbers of people who play online COULD be half. I myself have 3 accounts

Thats the only line you have against the xbox 360 Dont you ?

AND BTW microsoft also doesnt have 20 million 3ROD consoles either

and even if ps3 had a problem like 3ROD i highly doubt they would give any warrenty for it so why dont u go and have S*x with your PS3 rather than comin here

I've got to say that I really don't give a ***** what he says. Im happy with MY console. Couldn't really care what anyone else has to say lol...

My friend has got 5 accounts.

you can tell MS are worried this year



last year they had a great year which was equal to if not a tiny bit better than sony's



but now sony have several AAA titles comming out and MS have nothing (yet)



i seriously think they are worried that they dont have the quality games sony does this year, which is why there resorting to these cracks at sony

I think you guys should leave those out. Not because it's irrelevant news, because it is indeed fun to read, but all it does is just get the weaker-minded folks to come in and have massive flame wars.



I miss those Quick Lists or whatever they were called. You guys should definitely bring those back. Were fun reads.

I agree. ...Just what are they all smoking over at Microsoft? --They make it sound like their 'service' is setup 100 miles differently than Sony's. The only real difference is that M$ wants you to Pay to Play online. But, the same rules still apply: you want to create 50 Silver user ID's on your single Xbox 360 console? --no problem. If I recall, some games (like Gears) even FORCE you to create another Silver account just to play local co-op. (So who's foolin' who?). But, this is really making M$ cry a little puddle now, because once Sony starts having several million PSN users over M$ ---guess who's going to start demanding that M$ stop charging people for Online? ....The Devs and Publishers, that's who. The 'ol gravy train has put in its latest schedule, and it's taking Seattle off of its regular route soon. ...You gotta' love the imbecilic wordplay of that company, though: "...Microsoft has proven we are probably the only company in the world that can offer great online experiences for millions and millions and millions of people." They might as well say that they're the only company in the world that can produce software, while they're at it. :-O

Actually, during the heyday of the problem, speculation was rampant that the 360 defect rate was as high as 34%. ....which, based on 29,000,000+ units sold, would put the total amount of defective units at around 10,000,000. So, you're right: not 20 million; just somewhere around half that, that's all. .....But, you know, saldude2, if you have to get all sixth-grade about it: I think most people would consider the shape and physical attributes of the PS3 'sexier' than that of the green-lantern cream-white 360 hourglass (or even the chubby-stubby 'Elite'). Certainly, I'm not suggesting that either would make a particularly meaningful bedtime partner, but ....well, y'know ...if ya' *had* to..

...just look at all the hate comments.

forget about silver accounts for microsoft and the forums. i have about 9.

I hink those numbers are true. Ok, lets say there's like 15 mill ps3s out there, half of hose people play it online. Now why wouldn't they make duplicates? they're free, and while xbox live offers silver accounts that are free they can't play games so noones gonna make many live silver accounts. still, I think sony shoudn't be slinging those numbers becuz hey know this fact and they know that the live servers are always way more active than psn. now, i differ from him, xbox live isn't the only service that can offer great online experiences. psn, hough very flawed and inferior to live in many aspects still offers great online experiences. steam also offers great online experiences (though troublesome too).



Now to the person above me, xbox live is not gonna stop charging and devs dont want to becuz they know that if it means better service and experience then there are more active players on it. It's true that microsoft makes a ton of money and that if they charged half of what they charge now they still be making money off it but people still prefer it and are willing to pay (basically sony offers dial up for free, while microsoft charges for cable/dsl)

PSPs have access to the PSN now. A majority of PSP owners should have PSN accounts now.

"Free crap service filled with n00bs who say 'screw xb0x lol they pay for oonline we has free so it betta lool'"



If you haven't noticed, PS3 owners are more older and mature than 360 owners.



"failstation", "Failstation 3", "PooStation".



These childish monikers (you probably don't know what it means, so here: it means nicknames) for the PS3 aren't supporting what you're saying at all (well, you didn't say anything CREDIBLE, at least). They just make you look like an idiot.



Fanboys make me sick. They're the lowest forms of gamers, just behind online cheaters.

I find it funny, these posts about which console is better, each fanboy bashing against another. Personally, I own a ps3 and play online a lot, but that doesn't mean I like it anymore than the Xbox360...Vise Versa applies...Their both enjoyable and powerful consoles consoles, and I like them both equally.

funny as

failstation 3

because of all those defective units right?

oh wait....that was xbox

you sir i high five you as i too like both my systems equally. I just hate how they just try to bash one another like this. The 360 definitely has it's highs and lows just as how the PS3 has it's own. And nothing is fail safe. There are things that happen to all systems. The 360 has the RROD and the PS3 has YLOD. ::shrugs:: big flippin woop. My PS3 died after a year of running folding at home. That's right...non-stop folding >_>;.



Regardless each system has it's points. No reason to hate another without actually playing it.

You disgust me. GTFO



Id pay for a PSN account so that ruins your "no one will pay for a PooStation account."



Hmm.. I would probably rather wait longer for a better quality game, especially if it had committed developers etc. Killzone 2 is one example of how good a game can get with time, committement and a lot of work.



Again, GTFO

Hell no, keep em`coming. I do enjoy these combined posts cause they are fun to read since it never ends. Didn`t want to give you the wrong idea.

KILLZONE! Bam microsoft got owned, im sorry ms but ever since kz2 was released there has been an overwhelming amount of users getting on. many of them are fresh noobs that have been waiting for kz as a reason to get ps3, n now everyone is addicted, far more then when cod4 was released. n last i checked there were 23mil ps3s sold b4 kz2s release, so im sure it has potentially increased. so dont b telling me that half of those 20mil probably are not active...THEY ACTUALLY HAVE GOOD GAMES TO PLAY. while 360 fans r bored so they go n trash talk killzone n ps3

I dont know how many times I heard fanboys come in here and say "Jo, XBOX Live is waaayyyyy better than PSN!" and now I even hear it from a MS representative.

And the funny thing is: Not one single fanboy and now not even Ms themselves were able to give ANY valid point to support their claim.

PLEASE! I want to know!! WHY is Live soooo much better than PSN? WHY?!

PSN #'s are Probably BS, but who cares, bigger #'s mean everyone has to make their services better to draw peoples back.



BTW, i have had a PSN account for around 6 or 7 years now, since i got a Network Adapter for PS2 - anyone else had an old account updated. i also only have one account, no need to make multiples - the Misses doesn't play that much, and the Flattie Just wants to play (i also don't have a Credit Card, which helps curb spending on PS store)

By Pal Store I meant the European Store. They Sometimes have extras we don't have yet. (Killzone 2 Demo 3 Weeks ago)

I'm waiting for you to explain your point...



Are you telling me MS can know for FACT that 10% of ALL USERS unlock it?

You retard. Playing local coop does not force you to create a new silver account. All it makes you do is make a new profile. Try signing in with that profile. It will ask you if you'd like to join xbox live. And no, Devs do not want to see MS stop charging for live, because then it is they who must fund their own servers. You really are just talking out of your ass, aren't you?

Who's winning, you ask? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you just say MS has sold 8 million+ more consoles than Sony? Last time I checked, how many are being sold per year doesn't make a lick of difference. Why do you think MS started a year early, anyway?



Sounds to me like MS is in currently in the lead, thanks for providing me with that information!

He puts WTF?!?! as his title for everything because he wants to make sure everyone notices what he says. He is attention deprived and unoriginal.

@Manchester: My very first experience with 360, around 2yrs ago, was at a friend's house, where he ultimately had to register 2 profiles online in order to get Gears co-op to work. Maybe that was not really necessary, or they've since patched it to act differently. I don't know. But, the very fact that you have to 'create another user' at all (even local, as you say) is stupid in and of itself (and is not necessary on any PS3 game I know of --and I have 50+). ....Regarding the whole question of Devs, dedicated servers, and XBL's subscription fee: I think you should do a simple Internet search and start learning a little more about how the XBL and PS3 service work. Try this, too: http://everything2.com/title/Xbox%2520Live Both services provide general matchmaking services to users. Both provide dedicated servers for 1st party games. But, do you really think that 3rd party publishers are not paying M$ anything to be hosted on XBL? ....Besides, what exactly do you think is going on when you have a peer-to-peer game, where YOUR OWN 360 is the 'server'? --Guess what: you're actually paying M$ money in order that you can use YOUR OWN bandwidth, and YOUR OWN machine along with the bandwidth + machine OWNED by your friend or friends. (Now, who's the ....'mentally challenged one'?) ....My point was that once PSN accounts start to far eclipse that of XBL, publishers are going to start saying, "The real userbase is on PS3, I'm going to develop there; especially since Microsoft just keeps an artificial barrier to online-entry for our customers, and stuffs the reward in their pocket!" Moreover, there are some distinct advantages to 3rd party publishers (especially those like EA who already are used to hosting PC games online) for having the freedom to host their own games. There may be *some* cost benefits to 3rd party publishers which M$ might hand down to them (but I doubt it, considering M$'s company history), but that will eventually be outweighed by the importance of the trending of the number of online users. ....Last thing: for anyone that hasn't tried PSN in awhile, they should do so now; Sony has vastly improved the speed of general downloads, etc. over the last year. So, to me, the whole idea that with XBL you are "getting something more" because you're paying for it is a crock. You're just paying, that's all. (Note: I actually own BOTH a PS3 and a 360.)

From your first post, you didn't seem like the kind of person capable of producing a post like your second. I was obviously wrong, so I apologize for being rude.



That said, devs arent going to go for who has more online accounts. They are going to dev for the system they think will sell the most of their game. Larger user base + more opportunities for sale. As can be seen with the shoddiness of online play of most non-AAA titles, devs could care less if you actually do play their game online or not. All they want is the sale.



And I think we've established that # of accounts does NOT equal user base. If were able to recognize this, I don't think the devs are going to be fooled. They are going to look at consoles sold, not registered accounts.



Also, do you think PSN is free because Sony just loves you and wants to do something nice? If people are willing to pay 50 a year for online, why wouldnt you sell it to them? Youd sell your piss for 50 bucks if someone wanted to buy it, who cares if its a ripoff? The reason is because 50 bucks a year is not a deal breaker when the console is as cheap as a 360, but when your talking the price of a PS3, and then you think "damn, and then i gotta pay for online on top of that" it becomes an issue. Not to say it would affect anyone serious about gaming like on this site, but definitely all the soccer moms picking out a system for junior, or any college kids looking for a dorm room accessory.

It is no longer early in either consoles life. If anyone has yet to buy a console, they will buy either what their friends have so they can play together, or they will buy what they have heard is the best. Either way past games are used to judge the system. Unless it is right before an uber-game release (Halo 3, Final Fantasy, GoW, GOW, etc) people will not buy a system (today) for upcoming titles

I love it when ISOHaven posts personally. as well as some others. attention Deprived and Unoriginal? no. AFAIK, he is the only one on here to use the WTF!?!?!?!?! line every time he posts.

Do a search online for the next PS3 update. it's got a lot of features that the 360 has. Vioce chat is one, more XMB in games/movies and a lot more.

Can you browse the internet while in a game on 360? Nope. Thats coming in firmware 2.70 for PS3.



Oh, BTW, its FREE to play online on the PS3 and the PS3 can do a LOT more than the 360 can all for free.

Ok, the 360 has more games but so what? Not all those games are good. Most of the PS3 games are good, not all but percentage wise the PS3 has more better games.

could you please stop the equals signs turning into plus signs

and i think personal messeging could be a nice addition

That used to be my username until QJ forced us to register and for some reason it wouldn't except that as my username. It was a good way to link my current posts with my old posts. Now it's just habbit.



So, manchester7, YOU FAIL!!!!

"i guarantee with an attitude like that you must be 15 years old."



What is that supposed to mean? That 15 y/o people can't behave?



People behaves different, that guy is a so called fanboy. He'll say everything he can come up with to protect his favorite company.



Also, I'm 15 years old, and i don't behave like that. English isn't even my primary language.

I love my PS3, but as much of a fanboy as that guy is, he's almost definitely right. 20 million accounts, but most people have a couple to counter for different content in different store regions.

The solution? MAKE ALL STORES REGION FREE, we can get around it anyway.

Yamagushi got pwn.........don't forget to add in they force you to register for live with the zune and it's not considered activer user but just accounts :>

I read all this bs crapp from top to bottom...........throws applaud 2 flame wars.....it sure keeps me entertained.....anyways time for KILLZONE 2 I doubt any FPS will top that until next year at the very least

The proof

The xbox will burn and cause fire if that happens. And microsoft will have to stop all xbox 360's production



Now then.... where's my $1000

WOW! You found a typo and a gammar error!!! How F'ing amazing you are!!! Your parents must be so proud!!!



When you're done patting yourself on the back, you can choke on this... I recently had surgery and am on 3 hydrocodone every 4 hours. I'm surprised that's all I screwed up!!!



Lame!!!!

Thanks! I'm getting better. Finally back at work. Might not do a full day though.