Stupid anti sony news gets boring!!

GTA SA after part III and VC was innovative still i think, although almost all added functions were thought of by anyone who played the previous games: flying, swimming, on PSP LSS we have multiplayer, etc. But it is bull***** that GTA was PS exclusive. GTA3 was also on PC, same as every other GTA. The PC even has more GTA, part2 was never released on playstation1. So i do not care wether the xbox gets it the same day or not. The game will still be fun. But if PS3 is their 'dev' platform, then the xbox360 will look pale in comparison. They will have to leave features. Also the xbox will have downloadable content, because GTA4 will not fit on a regular dvd. GTA san andreas used 5 GB: low quality textures, audio, everything. With the GTA4 the 5GB will easily double.

Uhm

It's not exclusive, the game is launching on the same day for both systems...

Going to guess

That no one bothered read the article.

very diluted

i think that GTA IV may be restricted in areas on the 360 where it wouldnt on the ps3. with ps3's greater media storage i think more detail could be included in the game, and maybe rockstar will attempt to use the excess space, or 9GB will be enough - but i highly doubt it. If GTA IV for PS3 was to be delayed a month or two, after the release of the 360 version, to improve the game for ps3 specs this would be great

looking at LCS for PS2, I wouldn't bet on it, Nerd

they had this comparison review at GameTrailers.com and shows that they don't bother doing things to enhance for the other platform. The only reason Rockstar is doing this is because if they develop for 360, it will be easier to port it on PC in the very near time. Let's see if they downgrade it FROM PS3 or just release a highly similiar detail with same loading times. What I'm interested in is, Microsoft is digging a grave because this might possibly be the WINGS to shed light to the motion sensor assisted gaming of PS3.... No DOUBT GTA4 will utilise MSTechnology, and damn well.

Who gives a flying rat's ass.

Who gives a flying rat's ass what day it is released on. This snobbish attitudes has got to stop now.

hmm

i wonder, what thay would do with the motion sensor? it better not be just little mini games. it would be cool to add it to fighting where you can tilt to throw somone on the ground or get behind somone grab hold and tilt to break somones neck or somthing

Or flying

Imagine being able to tilt it forward to fly a heli forward, or to make a plane's nose drop down. The tilt would be great for people who just aren't good at flying with the joysticks.

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Odds are with Sony's crazy developpement plans that the game will still come out first on the 360 tho " this situation forces Sony to come up with another killer app to take the space left void by GTA" now that is just wishful thinking isn't it? ;) As for @5 and @6 the BD drive is a joke so far no game will use 50GB of data that is just waaaaaaaay crazy and as for technical specs GTA IV at release will most likely look better on the 360, Sony is known for it's bad dev-kits and Rockstar already made a 360 game... @8 for the sake of being playable on the 360 the motion sensitive controller will probably only be given as an option(like most first generation ps3 games anyway)

some thoughts

Yes, releases like GTA: Liberty City Stories and I'm assuming Vice City Stories will feel a little tired but take them for what they are. They are handheld developed titles and for that they are full-featured. The PS2 port of GTA:LCS is still fun but it lacks the console-developed shine of San Andreas. However, a re-invented engine and next-gen graphics will probably be a new beginning for the GTA game. It's long been known that games like Vice City and San Andreas were just slightly modified versions of GTA3 even though they were fun. This will hurt Sony a little but I don't see this as the defining factor in the next-gen war. My bet: Microsoft wins online, Sony wins selection, and Nintendo wins innovation. Now it's your choice.

i have two words...

Assassini's Creed. for the time being, it is PS3 exclusive, and may just end up being a PS3 exclusive in general. i think that this title will do for the PS3 what GTA 3 did for the PS2. as for GTA 4 releasing on the 360 at the same time as the PS3? i think it's awesome. maybe PS3 and 360 users will be able to compete online and take out their fanboy aggressions. honestly, it's not a big deal. GTA has always shined on Playstation consoles, but it's time is over, really. the 360 and PS3 will have their fare share of killer exclusive apps (Too Human, Mass Effect for the 360, Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII for the PS3). so what if Rockstar decided to share the wealth on multiple platforms? why shouldn't 360 users who maybe don't want a PS3 be denied a fun gaming experience? we're all gamers, despite our particular choice in platforms (i, for example, am a die hard Playstation guy, though i own Microsoft and Nintendo systems also, the one i play the most is my PS2). the elitist, snobby attitude of gamers need to stop. we have enough of that BS in the real world (especially here in Los Angeles), the last thing i need is my gaming time proliferated with high and mighty asscracks (it's the main reason why i don't really play MMO's). anyway, i'm not greedy, and my mom taught me to share, so let the 360 owners have a good time with GTA 4. i know i will with my PS3. it's a nonissue. oh yeah, and while the GTA series isn't as fresh and new as it used to be, i blame the limits of the technology that has hampered Rockstar's ambition thus far. they could do planes and motorcycles in GTA3, they did with GTA: Vice City. they couldn't do a massive, seamless world in Vice City, they did in GTA: San Andreas, and then some. i'm sure they'll blow us away at E3 next year with the first look at GTA4, and what it will offer 360 and PS3 gamers. Rockstar is a very creative and talented developer (The Warriors was a lot of fun), they just can't seem to stay out of trouble due to stupid soccer mom's and dad's suing them every week because of some GTA inspired debacle. i think this new technology will really let them breathe and reach their ambitions.

3 words

EXCLUSIVE DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT, has every1 forgotten the dealMS struck up with rockstar, they get the downloadable content

GTA will be great

GTA will be great and thats that. With each new major GTA release the game got better. GTA3 > VC > SA. GTA4 will take things to the next level. We can only guess now but I think they are going to do something huge like you can go to cities around the world. The whole of USA etc. The could make the online so great. Ive been thinking that they could have Gang warfare. You get like 100 people on each team, MASSIVE GANG WARS. You're free to fight how you want.

gta2 + london

They was released on ps1 as they where on pc...

has every1 forgotten the dealMS struck up with rockstar

1UP debunked that, Luke apparently asked a Rockstar rep about it and they said they'd never made such a deal with MS.

Agree

GTA Vice city was the biggest seller and it seems that sales have been slowing as of late. Tons of games are now using the same GTA style and are pretty much diluting that game's unique style. I think it's important to see how many new IPs are coming out for this next generation. Gamers tire quickly. On previous generations fighting games ruled now they are a nice bonus. We need new experiences to keep us entertained. GTA games need a radical change in order to get us raving once again. Game developers need to constantly innovate and create the next big thing. Another title that might run be running too long is Halo. After this third installment will gamers continue to rave about it? Unlike Final Fantasy games, these games tend to follow the exact same gameplay mechanics with a changed story and some improvements.

Assassin's Creed baby!

I'm thinking Assassin's Creed has great potential of being a playstation killer app! The still hasn't officially been announced for any system except the PS3 and even it's official website only has playstation logos in the legal content areas.

exclusive content

??? so y the hell did ms say it then?

To Chris C

That's strange. Didn't Peter Moore said they have a deal with Rockstar at this year's E3? Why would he say something like that if it isn't true? By the way, GTA4 will probably look better on PS3. When GTA:SA came out for the PS2, it had worser graphics then the later released xbox version. They had time to improve character models and such, so perhaps the would do the same for the PS3. On the PS2 they had limited space for graphics, but now with blu-ray, they have virtually unlimited space. My bet is the PS3 version will have more content like what they did with the xbox version, and the graphics look better then the 360 even if its by a small margin.

Or...

PS3 owners can just buy the PC version, to lessen the pain of spending so much money on a ***** stain of a console.

I think Moore was just exaggerating or plainly just lying.

Moore was exaggerating or plainly just lying. You say why would Moore lie? Well why would he make it sound like they were getting exclusive rights to GTA? Because it makes them sound good even though they are bending the truth (Of course Sony might be quilty of this as well). I think MS is just running out of ideas to get people to stop waiting for the PS3. Meanwhile they can't even compete with the 6 year old PS2, at least they are beating the Cube and Xbox. I bought 360 and love playing on live but neither the XBOX which I also owned nor the 360 have proven themselves to me unlike the PS1/2. Actually the 360 has been a big disappointment as it really hasn't done anything that my XBOX couldn't do to justify buying it and still provides the same types of games. Hopefully PS3 keeps on that playstation tradition with new gaming experiences and less cheap clones. In either case, Gears of War and Halo 3 will still kick major ass, but then again so will FF13, Unreal, God of War 3 and anything from the insomniac boys. Let's all just drink to Next Gen of gaming which will push gaming yet again to an even bigger audience as the last generations have.

#23

Yeah, getting it on the PC wouldnt exactly be the cheapest route to go.

I don't think Moore was lying

But I think there must have been some misunderstanding or miscommunication, or perhaps Moore simply dressed the statement so that we inferred the wrong thing, either way Luke Smith said he was told categorically by a R* representative that no such deal had been reached. Perhaps Microsoft are counting their eggs before they're hatched?

#25

Or maybe you just don't know how to replace your awful graphics card?

well (my thoughts)

if a dvd can hold all rockstar has to offer for there next installment in the GTA franchise then there should be nothing to worry about for 360 owners, but in my opinion its not going to be enough. that might be what Moore was referring to when he said exclusive downloads, meaning all those stuff that couldnt fit that they will add it through live downloads. (just my thoughts)

Getting GTA on DVD9

Even if the game doesn't fit on one DVD, it'll fit on 2, or 3, as has been mentioned many times in the past, games used to come on multiple discs, and still do in the case of PC games.

#25

I agree with with ya. I'm sure it cost way more than a console to play with next gen graphics on a PC.

wow...

One game causes so many people to post negative thoughts..lol

Exclusivity==Monopoly

If you don't have it, the system offering the better experience for a reasonable price wins.

to #2

I agree, lol

how fast we forget

rockstar said that 360 is getting live exlusive. i'm not sure but i think they're also getting a multiplayer, i dought that this is a lie, ms has a ot of $$$ and can do what ever they want, like say well if you dont make me a game i'll just buy you company

I bet

The live thing is for weapons and stuff, but part of me thinks it might be to dl parts of the game that wont fit on DVD!!!!

heh heh heh

sony's doing it again every time nintendo gets an innovative idea sony steals it look at what happend with the analog stick playstation released no analog one year later n64 released and suddenly sony comes out with the dual shock there doing it again with the motion sensing i have bought every sony console to date but there starting to piss me off from now on i am sticking to the psp you suck sony and about the fact that its 6 bills there trying to say that the blu ray is super expensive to make no its not its consumer inflation if it costs 1000 to make a blu ray player sony isn't going to lose money and sell one cheaper once again they tried this crap with the ps2 Oh my dvd players cost soo much but the ps2 plays them and its cheaper than a dvd player ooh geuss what you can get a dvd player at walmart for 20 bucks now and the ps2 still costs almost 200 dollars kiss my ass sony i ain't buying it this proves that the dvd player in the ps2 didn't make up all those development costs and probably still cost 20 bucks to make when the ps2 was realeased oh yeah back on subject if ms has problems with fitting it on a dvd they can do what nintendo did in the 80s for the famicom and release a bluray drive when the development costs drop it makes more sense that way it worked for nintendo in japan they would have done it in america but cart prices dropped and they didn't need to

to 36

yes, i do remember when the PS1 had no analog stick. when Sony added *two* (as opposed to Nintendo's one), it changed everything, and made games infinitely better. if, say, Sony had copied Nintendo and made something worse, i'd complain. i played the PS3 at E3 this year. i got to feel with my own hands, and not rely on some possibly biased "news" bit regarding the controller, the motion sensitivity in action, and it didn't feel half assed or tacked on. even if it *was* tacked on last minute, it didn't *feel* that way, and, ultimately, it's the end result that matters the most. Warhawk was very fun, and just one of the games i'm picking up for the PS3 launch. the PS3 is expensive not only because of the Blu Ray player, but because that Cell processor isn't a Texas Instrument's calculator. it's an expensive piece of technology in it's own right, and it cost Sony $400 million to create. honestly, the cost of gaming consoles were bound to rise, it's just unfortunate (for Sony fans), that they had to be the ones to do it. Microsoft took the cowards way out and removed the HD DVD drive from the 360 (mainly because of fear that that format would lose the war with Blu Ray, and financially, they'd stand to lose quite bit of money if that happened, but 360's were commited to HD DVD drives. it definitely wasn't because they cared about the consumer; they were just protecting their bottom line), thus lowering it's cost. imagine if Microsoft had waited until 2006 to release the X Box 360, or even waited until after Sony released the PS3, and Blu Ray became the standard. the 360 would have been equipped with a Blu Ray drive, just to keep up. and guess what? the cost of that Blu Ray equiped 360 would have been what? about $500 to $600. judging by Sony's record with their last two consoles, i'm guaranteed to at least get software support for 7 to 10 years *after* my purchase of the unit. i bought my PS2 in 2001, and i'm *still* getting a return on that investment well into next year, and probably beyond. i bought my X Box about 2 years ago, and it's getting *nothing* in regard to new content. basically, i wasted $200 that i could have used on a 360. of course, there really is nothing worth playing on the 360 that i can't play on my computer (i have Oblivion, F.E.A.R. and Condemned on my PC, and they look and play *great*). if Microsoft is willing to abandon the unprofitable X Box after, oh, four or five years on the market, what do you think they'll do with the 360? we're talking about a computer company, really. a company that is used to upgrading and moving on to the newer and better technology, with nary a look back to previous incarnations. i guarantee in about four to five years, the X Box 1080 will be out, and for about $600, while those gamers that put down a $600 investment in a PS3 won't have to pay an addtional $600 for the PS4. and it's not like there's going to be a steady stream of 360 titles once MS has it's sights on their new platform. you better believe they'll abandon the 360 just like they've done with the X Box, and the 24 million users left in the cold with very little new (or even exclusive) titles to enjoy. Microsoft forced it's gamers to upgrade to the $400 360 if they wanted anything new from the company. at least Sony still has God of War, Okami, Final Fantasy XII, Rogue Galaxy, to name a few, so those not ready to make the jump to the PS3 don't have to, and they don't have to worry about being left behind either. it all boils down to the games, of course, but the smart money is on the Playstation. as it's been for 10 years now.

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dude are u dumb when the ps2 came out dvd players were around the same price. In japan dvd players were way more expensive so do some research before u start flaming. Everyone copies everything its not like ohh yea a bike with shocks then you go to a bike convention ohh look another bike with shocks im not biking no more they stole the shocks that i had a couple days before. btw sony's plan this time is that the ps3 is a computer and that you cant buy a computer with the ps3's specs for the same price. People think wow i can get a 4000 dollar computer for 600 bucks and play great games and watch hd movies wow!!. Thats sony's plan for sure. Last gen was dvd player for cheap this gen its a computer.

dvd format

The argument about filesize comes up a lot but not many people bring up the fact that if you want more than 480p for your in-game videos, DVD is not an option. I think this makes HD DVD and Blu-ray an attractive option.

downloads LOL

5. said about the downloadable content, BUT THEY NEED IT THANKS TO THERE SHODDY HARDWARE!!! they still use dvd drives which hold max of 8 gb atm thanks to restrictions on amount of content, blu-ray holds 50gb at standard but can hold upto 200gb on quad-layered discs (dunno y u need tht much) so thanks to microsofts poor choice in hardware they will need the downloads to get the same game us ps3ers will. they will prob have around half the map and none of the extra missions whereas the ps3 will get it all on 1 disc

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Current generation games, especially on PS2, waste a lot of disc space with duplicate files to speed up access times. Plus, to save processing time, compression algorithms are not very advanced. For next generation games, compression and procedural techniques can be improved for the much faster processors. And duplicate files are not needed when we have faster drives (12x DVD) and a hard disk drive for caching. Current Generation - Duplicate Files - Minimal Compression - Minimal or No Procedural Synthesis - Wasteful FMV Next Generation - No Duplicate Files - Advanced Compression - Advanced Procedural Synthesis - Real Time Cutscenes

LicenseToKill

We can also turn to the PC for a comparison. Many of today's top PC games (like Doom 3 and FarCry) still come on CD's. Altogether, they take up around 2 gigs of space. I think DVD still have a while to go before they become totally obsolete. Games like Dead or Alive, are much better off with real time rendering and show the real graphic capability of a system, than say FFX, which 60% was prerendered FMV.

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As technology and development techniques increase, there should be less of a requirement for disc space, not more. With better realtime graphics, there should be less need for FMV. Procedural synthesis can be used for just about any type of texture as well - grass, concrete, bricks, skin, hair/fur, etc. Of course, better processing and better programming leads to higher compression as well. 9GB is more than enough for next-gen games.

compensation

you do know that GTA IV is going to look the same on both consoles (unless the rumours about the pants ps3 dev kits are true) and 9 gbs are MORE than enough worst comes to worst it takes up 2 discs for they 360. and i dont think forking out an extra 200 just so i dont have to change discs is worht it

gtaIV

To 1. » Stupid anti sony news gets boring!!: the 360 will get extra content that PS3 wount ever see and thats not because the 360 have a smaler media. so the game will be just as big to the 360 as for the PS3, just that all with the 360 will get some extra FUN :D

It's going to be the same for both

Rockstar aint gonna bother making 2 different games...Both console versions will be the same... Dont be *****ing stupid...Yeah sony has got blu ray but i dont see it doing anything for GTA....They aint gonna waste their time making 2 different versions of the same games when they can release both games on each console without the extra stuff. At the end of the day why would they bother?? They are getting paid from both companies...they aint gonna do extra favours for sony. Face it sony fanboys....

what?

"Unlike Final Fantasy games, these games tend to follow the exact same gameplay mechanics" I'd say they played the same till about FFX...

Hints why the PS3 version might look better...

I was reading the June issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly Magazine's cover story, Call of Duty 3, and found some intersteing info. When EGM asked the developers what would be the diffrence between the PS3 and Xbox360 version, do you know what they said? They said, "The Xbox360 and PS3 versions of COD3 will look the same, although the PS3 version will have more light sources and other touches". This why I think the same might happen to the next installment of GTA.