LittleBigPlanet designed for PS3, couldn't have made it for Xbox 360 |
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Exclusives make the platform, as a lot of gamers would attest to, and LittleBigPlanet is set to be one of the PlayStation 3's greatest.But with all these games being timed exclusives (FFXIII actually went cross-platform), can we be sure LittleBigPlanet would actually stay exclusive?
Yep. According to Media Molecule's Alex Evans, they couldn't have made the game for the Xbox 360. Why? According to Evans, the studio chose the PlayStation 3 as their platform from the get-go, and so they designed the game with the console's hardware in mind:
With LBP as it is, we couldn't have made it on the Xbox 360 and the reason for that is actually because we designed it around the PS3's strengths.
In other words, if you're a game designer, from day one you know your platform, and you just cane it on that platform. You're not worrying about cross-platform, you're not worrying about anyone else's hardware design.
The PlayStation 3 was also ideal because every model has a hard drive, unlike the Xbox 360, whose Arcade model lacks one. Evans explains that without the hard drive, they would have had to scale the game down to accommodate the playerbase. In that case, the game could have been made for the Xbox 360, but not so big. LittleNotSoBigPlanet?
So what, the Xbox 360's chopped liver? Of course not. They just happened to choose a platform and stuck with it:
The 360 is an incredibly capable machine, and you could make a user-generated content game on it, no question - just as you could make one on the PS2 or the Megadrive, or any platform.
But because we picked our platform, you go and you use every available bit of space, every little processor cycle.
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Yup, they already addressed this. LBP is not possible on the 360. Not without slimming it down. The 360 simply can not keep up with the physics. If they made the levels smaller then it would work. But who wants LESS? Other then 360 owners...hehehe... Just have to wait for the 720!
They wouldn't be able to get the user created content either. Look at the UT3 on the 360! M$ don't want it on XBL and Mark Rein/Epic delayed the 360 version as they were trying to talk M$ around but got nowhere. I'm so happy that the PSN embraces this.
Go Sackboy, go!!
"The 360 simply can not keep up with the physics"
I love you how add your own words in there... Come on dude quit making up bullcrap. The only reason is the harddrive.
I'll be playing it because I finally have both systems but I still think exclusives are stupid.
It can't keep up the same way it could NEVER compete with the PS3 in regards to F@H.
Speaking of "making up bullcrap". You wrote:
"The only reason is the harddrive."
Hum...let's think about that for a second:
"we designed it around the PS3's strengths."
See the "S" at the end of strengths?
"The PlayStation 3 was also ideal because every model has a hard drive"
See the word ALSO?
When we put those together we wind up with something called PLURAL.
Plural - "only reason" - Plural - "only reason" - Plural - "only reason"....
Seems YOU are the only one flinging bullcrap.
Care to try again?
Seriously! If processing power was an issue they would have said so! Its all about the operaiting systems code and the type of video card being used. These things can be worked around. Im guessing here, but they prob. mean Bluray, and the ability to download to the hard drive. which 360 will not do.(their choice) Im sure most of us have both systems by now. I am glad its a PS3 exclusive. I will have a reason to play games with it. (Finally)
I am sad its on PS3 only because I have a large online friend base on 360 and none on PS3. It is very difficult making friends on the Playstation network. People rarely use a microphone.
Regardless, im getting it!!
Be carefull of what you gloat about!
The reason M$ do not embrace internet access and user created content using pc is because it makes it suseptable to trojens and viruses. im still waiting for someone to send an email or install a bug in a mod. Talk to advanced pc owners. It was a problem early on for PC gamers before antivirus software.
Ill wait for a PS3 antivirus download before I start treating my PS3 like a computer.
I hope I didnt give someone an idea.
Calm yourself man... We are just having a friendly debate here.
Back to the topic though please show me where they said the following that you quoted as truth:
"The 360 simply can not keep up with the physics."
Now answer me this... Did you make an assumption that might be false?
THAT and its on a 40 GB blu-ray and anyone thats says exlusives are stupid should be shot for 4 days and 4 nights witha CD shooter in the face this is how platforms make money off there consoles Sony nore MS made a profit off thier consoles yet and as a matter of fact MS NEVER made a profit off the xbox brand still todate
so don't piss him off, cuz he always knows best.
@wilmheath - Calm down? Are you hearing loud voices in your head? Hahaha....
I'll make a deal with you. I'll spend the time it'll take to find the existing QJ article (since your fingers are broken and you can't search yourself) if you as well post YOUR proof that the HDD is the ONLY REASON as you so claim. I just love it when people demand proof of things when they give no such thing themselves. Hilarious!
Wilmheath - ISOHaven already pwned you here, so I won't waste my time.
Skorpious - PS3 has had great games from the get-go. Not an insane number of blockbusters, but I wanted a PS3 before they even had any announced games for it.
There's nothing tricky or confusing here. They wnated to put it on PS3 because they didn't have to worry about the space limits on XBL's Marketplace, they didn't have to ask questions like "What if these guys dont have harddrives?" and because they just wanted to make it on PS3.
There's no fanboyism involved. Do you have a 360? You do? That's great. Exclusives by no means are stupid. If every game was released on every system, no one would bother making different systems. Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft would join forces. Why would they? Because it'd be good for business.
It wouldn't matter what system you'd get because the games would mostly be the same. "Oh, I just got the PS4 instead of the Xbox 1440 because I like the controller's color better.."
See where I'm going with this. Gah..
I'm not one to try to hide the truth so I will admit that my statement was not 100% correct. I should of said the only LISTED reason was the lack of a harddrive on some models. Either way we will both be playing the game when it comes out since I'm not partial to either system unless a game is a multi-release and then I prefer the 360... So maybe I'm semi partial sue me.
"I'm not one to try to hide the truth"
HAHAHAHA! That's funny. Have you been coming here long? Anyone that knows me here knows that ALL I DO is expose the truth.
"so I will admit that my statement was not 100% correct."
As you should.
"I should of said the only LISTED reason was the lack of a harddrive on some models."
Then you would be WRONG...STILL. I refer back to PLURAL.
"So maybe I'm semi partial sue me."
There you go. I'm not partial at all. I'm one of the most unbiased people you will ever meet.
"I'm one of the most unbiased people you will ever meet."
You're also kind of a d!ck. Bye!
what the hell are you smoking?
The #1 reason why LBP could not be done on the 360 is because of the DVD9 format they are using. The game would have to be cut down quite a bit to fit on the disc. Of course since you must have a hard drive they would not release the game on a console where people cant buy the game unless purchase a hard drive.
HAHAHAHA
That's fine. I expect that. As someone that exposes the truth I'm always pissing off one side or the other.
PS3 has a whole lot more power than the 360 when it comes down to pure processing. Physics is in the pure processing of the system and doesn't take the video card much into consideration. Bottom line, this is why some games look better on the 360 yet have the better physics on the PS3.
ISOHaven: with all due respect, I have read many of your comment posts, and I wouldn't call you unbiased.
They did say "STRENGTHS" yes, but while the PS3 may (or may not) be strong at physics, that does not mean the 360 could not handle the physics in LBP. Had the 360 had a hard drive standard, LBP could theoretically have been designed from the ground up with the same performance. It's all about which platform a game is optimized for.
You might notice that many many games run worse on the PS3 as opposed to the 360, this is because the 360 is the lead pltform during development. The PS3 then must struggle to run 360-optimized code.
As far as I can tell, the hard drive *is* the only reason PS3 got the game and not 360, (disregarding developer politics). Because the requirements for the game seem to be
Power
A central Online service
Standard hard drive
The only console still in production meeting those requirements is... *drum roll* the PS3!
Skorpious: I hear ya, no one uses the mic on ps3 online!
nnjacowboy: i LOLed
wilmheath: bravo on keeping cool and friendly when dealing with QJ comments. (really, it was impressive lol)
One last thing, ISOHaven, you claim to be "exposing the truth" by preaching and refusing to listen to reason or any other point of view.
Have you considered a career in TV Evangelism?
"what the hell are you smoking?"
QFT
"HAHAHAHA! That's funny. Have you been coming here long? Anyone that knows me here knows that ALL I DO is expose the truth."
And pwn people that don't know what they are talking about.
You forgot that one.
that last thing addressed to ISOHaven couldnt have been said better myself. I seriously like the guy, i want no probs with him, buti cannn see that anything that wilmheath said was immediately shot down even something as simple as "I'm not one to try to hide the truth" he never said ISOHaven was trying to hide anything, just leaving the ball in his court sort of speak. and ISO addressing about his stay on QJ to be dating back to awhile and lots of won "commenting" is enough to go to someones head. but no matter the truth stands as everyones opinion just as all comments do. so whether it is the harddrive thats the real damper or not WHO CARES LETS PLAY LBP!
ISOhaven - 1
Everybody else - 0
Yeah.. but wasn't the Gamecube more powerful then the PS2 (compare Resident evil 4 on both systems if you don't want to go through system specs)? I think each generation of consoles has proven that it isnt about which system has that edge over the other in performance, its all about the appeal of the games. I'm going to stress APPEAL of the games. The wii is owning everyone right now, and it isn't because wii has the better games.. its because the wii has games and an approach that appeals more to more people.. also its cheaper. The 360 has more exclusives than the PS3 (atleast up until this point) and shares alot of hot selling PS3 games (minus MGS4, Resistance and well, LBP still has not shown whether or not it will sell in a wide amount).
All you fanboys can wave your pricks at each other from across the 'battle fields' but in the end, its all about who sells more and makes more money. LBP does seem like an interesting game. But the only reason Xbox and Wii don't have a game similar to it coming out at the same time is because its probably not as financialy sound as making an FPS/RPG/sandbox that will sell in the millions.
Which explains why we got Too Human instead of Eternal Darkness two... that was truely an ambomination. More demand for great games instead of over polished hunks of coal!
Who makes a 40 Gb Blu-Ray?
The article itself was good and the designers of LBP did not in anyway slag or praise one system they just looked to what the systems offered and made a choice.
What is interesting is that they never stated one was better or stronger Alex Evans merely stated that they chose a platform and stuck to it for development.
It is the fanboy anal ists of both camps (360 and PS3) that seem to think that what is written means something else.
I have the 360 as I prefer it however I am now the lucky owner of both platforms, I purchased the PS3 as I wanted the bluray for watching films. Games are a bonus.
For the Xbox fans that want bluray for their HDTV's then actually the PS3 is a good box of tricks and relatively low cost when you look at the cost of a standalone bluray player. Who knows you may be pleasantly surprised.
happy gaming to both camps and for those who have both........well what can i say other than even more happy gaming.
ISO are you a politician? All you do is ignore your own faults and point out others. You blatantly made up a false truth and have yet to admit your wrong.
"But because we picked our platform, you go and you use every available bit of space, every little processor cycle"
Yes, that means 360 couldnt handle everything thats going on. Cell is a multitasking monster
So he is right, it cant handle thee physics
thats not why, its greed and greed alone
Look you fanboys annoy the fool out of me. I don't give a crap about which system is better because I have both(no wii though). I just get tired of you all making up crap. Do you program for the ps3 yourself? Doubtful... So quit making up things. The two systems are almost equal in power and the physics in that game are nothing spectacular. The physics in halflife 2 are way more impressive.
@Mr Toasty - Hey bud, you need to bone up on your reading comprehension. What you said in your post is exactly what I said.
YES, of course the 360 can do physics. However it's not it's STRONG POINT. Just like you said. Did you actually read what I wrote? The 360 can handle LBP just fine "IF" the levels were smaller. The 360 can not handle the levels AS IS at the size they are. Or rather can not handle LBP at it's maximum level size. I'm sure not all levels are maxed out.
"The PS3 then must struggle to run 360-optimized code."
That's just crap coding. That is not the same as this.
"One last thing, ISOHaven, you claim to be "exposing the truth" by preaching and refusing to listen to reason or any other point of view."
You mean just like YOU who is also "refusing to listen to reason or any other point of view." HAHAHA, you guys crack me up! Believe what you want about the 360. The fact remains in the end, games are endlessly being TRIMMED DOWN and features REMOVED because the 360 simply can not handle the workload. Case in Point, Halo3's BS resolution.
@Achooist - :)
@CheckMate0289 - That's fine, but keep the turn of events in check! It was MY ORIGINAL COMMENT that was questioned. Which means the burden of proof in on wilmheath and he brought absolutely NOTHING to the table. Except for maybe a bunch of wrong information which I PROVED to be, well....WRONG. It wasn't hard, as the proof was in the article.
@93pauott - :)
@wilmheath - "ISO are you a politician? All you do is ignore your own faults and point out others. You blatantly made up a false truth and have yet to admit your wrong."
Interesting, because a politician would be making the exact same comment you just made. 100% ignoring the topic at hand and spreading BS. I made a deal with you. Live up to your end and I'll live up to mine. Anything else is just a bunch of crap left over from your first comment.
@Techni - Exactly! The 360 simply can not keep up with the SAME LEVEL of physics as the PS3.
@wilmheath - Hum...still crying about this eh? Here's another article for you to go hunt down (sorry, you'll have to do it yourself since you seem to not be willing to put in any work for anyone else), F@H was original tested on BOTH systems. It would have been MUCH EASIER for them to code (port) the app (client) to the 360 then the PS3. It wasn't a matter of the PS3 being "almost equal in power". It's YOU who is making up BS. The PS3 out performs the 360 in CPU power by a great amount. Enough to warrant Stanford to jump into the PS3 without ever regretting their decision.
"The physics in halflife 2 are way more impressive."
Thanks for proving you are incapable of staying within the SCOPE of a conversation and that you purposely compare things that have no business being compared.
Here's something else for you to ponder. Since you seem to think you know so much. I have an Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 based PC. Overclocked to 3.6GHz. My PC can STOMP the 360 into the GROUND!!!!! The 360 is CRAP compared to my PC. I run F@H on both my PC and PS3. My PC takes about 32 hours to process an ADVANCED work unit for F@H. My PS3 can process an entire ADVANCED unit in about 13 hours. That's based on an average of just under two a day. So you can say my PS3 STOMPS my PC.
So the end results? My PS3 STOMPS my PC and my PC STOMPS the 360. So..... the PS3 STOMPS STOMPS the 360???
Get over yourself. I don't care what you read on paper. Reality is what counts. RESULTS are what counts. So this documentation you are asking for is about as worthless as your own words.
With that said, you've done nothing to negate my original comment. Nice try though!
Oh I didn't know you could run F@H on the 360... Oh wait you can't.. You mean you didn't test this before making another wildly false truth?
You are all talk and no substance my friend... Reminds me of someone running for president.
reading comprehension my friend is a very valuable tool perhaps you will allow me to explain it to u
"F@H was original tested on BOTH systems. It would have been MUCH EASIER for them to code (port) the app (client) to the 360 then the PS3. "
what this sentence means is that the Folding @ Home (this is called an acronym) dev team, at one point or another considered making F@H for 360. This was mainly do to the fact that the code could easily be ported to the 360. They decided against this based on the fact that the 360 couldnt handle the com-pu-ta-tions (big word sound it out) as easily as the ps3
now i have asked you before to watch the personal attacks as you might offend someone. you ignored my warning and procceded to bash isohaven.
have you ever noticed almost all your posts are 0/5 ?
perhaps you should stop posting on the ps3 board and go PLAY your 360.
ISOhaven - 2
everyone else - 0
ISOHaven's screen names + 10
Everyone else + 1
Death: I love it when people get online and try to belittle others by trying to take apart their sentences and make them look stupid by using words that seem big to them. I know this is a playstation fanboy site because I was on it back when it was just for the psp and I actually used to be a writer for this site. I know I'm always going to be out numbered if I say anything negative about the ps3 and that is fine but please keep your responses straight and to the point and don't waste your time trying to make me look stupid because it is the internet my friend and anyone argueing over a console system is already stupid and yes that inludes both you and I.
here yo let me put it staight for u. i aint been trying to get up in yo face an all but you seen i cants help it when someone be acting a fool i gotz to put them in their place.
enough of that YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE
" I love it when people get online and try to belittle others by trying to take apart their sentences "
Re: wilmheath - 23 hours ago [I like this comment] [I dislike this comment]
» uhh
"The 360 simply can not keep up with the physics"
I love you how add your own words in there... Come on dude quit making up bullcrap. The only reason is the harddrive.
I'll be playing it because I finally have both systems but I still think exclusives are stupid.
like i said YOU started the personal attacks by calling iso a pollitician, this isnt even about ps3 vs 360 anymore.
i have many friends who are 360 fanboys we get into debates all the time (DEBATES not ARGUMENTS) and were still friends . if you attack people personally be preared to get shot down ESPECIALLY when you don't know what your talking about.
/pwn
Once again you changed what actually happened. I asked him if he was a politician. I never once said he was one. Please quit taking what I say out of context it's getting old.
@wilmheath -
"Oh I didn't know you could run F@H on the 360... Oh wait you can't.. You mean you didn't test this before making another wildly false truth?"
What the hell are you talking about? You seriously have absolutely no point do you? death explained it enough. If you can't understand after that then....whateva...
"You are all talk and no substance my friend... Reminds me of someone running for president."
That seems to be all you have!
"Everyone else + 1"
I think your humor is lost on everyone but yourself.
"don't waste your time trying to make me look stupid"
You make it all to easy. death didn't do or say anything out of line. Your comment back to me about my not testing it for the 360 was pure ignorance and just plain stupidity on your part.
If the truth hurts....CHANGE!
"anyone argueing over a console system is already stupid"
Wrong again! I'm just bored!!! Not enough work lately.
All in all, I like how you ignore most of my posts and just ramble on about politicians.
STOP TROLLING!
ISO ARE YOU KIDDING ME
Stop the talk about reading comprehension. I am telling you the 360 could handle LBP just fine, with the same level of physics and level size. And your talk about F@H is very nearly the most retarded thing i have ever heard. Physics and F@H are two different things, AND, F@H runs at the background on a system running windows, so it doesn't use nearly all of the resources that the F@H on PS3 can get by comparison. (All of PS3s attention vs a fraction of the PC)
"But because we picked our platform, you go and you use every available bit of space, every little processor cycle."
This is once again referring to the fact that the game is designed for a single platform. It is completely optimized for the PS3. It does NOT mean that it uses ALL of the PS3's power to the very limit, like you guys seem to think.
Your "experiment" was biased and unless you know next to nothing about computers (which is possible) then you are hiding this on purpose
Speaking reason with these guys is pointless you have to stoop down to their level for them to understand anything.
finally someone who uses facts and knowledge as opposed to personal attacks and bullsht
n e ways it is true f@h and physics are very different , but what iso was comparing isnt what they are. what i understood what he was comparing is the computations themselves. they both do hundreds of calculations at a time is this not what the cell was built for?
Yeah i realize that the F@H calculations would make a good comparison, but what i mean is that when the PS3 is folding, it is doing so using as much of the PS3's power as it can get, which is nearly all. On the other hand, a PC that is folding is usually set to run folding with anything the rest of the computer isn't using.
When you bring Windows and many other programs into the background you'll find that F@H on PCs isn't using nearly as much of the available resources as the PS3 F@H is, which makes the comparison very biased.
@Mr Toasty -
"I am telling you the 360 could handle LBP just fine, with the same level of physics and level size."
And? I'm telling you it CAN NOT. As well, a FEW other people here disagree with you and have said as such. So why are you only addressing me?
"And your talk about F@H is very nearly the most retarded thing i have ever heard."
Prove it!
"Physics and F@H are two different things"
No sh1t Sherlock! Processing power is the KEY!
"AND, F@H runs at the background on a system running windows, so it doesn't use nearly all of the resources that the F@H on PS3 can get by comparison."
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!! Thank You for proving to us all that you DO NOT know what the hell you are talking about. F@H "can" be set to run in the background. It can ALSO be set to run in the foreground! But you knew that right? HAHAHA!!!! F@H uses 100% of all 4 of my cores.
Oh wait...I need PROOF right?
http://folding.stanford.edu/
"Your "experiment" was biased and unless you know next to nothing about computers (which is possible) then you are hiding this on purpose "
Seeing as how I busted your little "background" ignorance with F@H, is my comment still biased? Am I still hiding something? Also, about your ignorant Windows comment. F@H is NOT the only thing running on the PS3 when it runs. The PS3 still has an OS. Also when F@H is running on a PC, WINDOWS IS NOT USING UP CPU anymore then the PS3 is using the CPU to run it's own OS.
What exactly are you trying to prove? Beside the fact that you seem to know very little about computers in general and know nothing of F@H.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! !!!!!!
Seriously people, if you don't know what the hell you are talking about...then why bother?
@wilmheath -
"Speaking reason with these guys is pointless you have to stoop down to their level for them to understand anything."
So you call lying about F@H, "reason"? Or did you also ignorantly believe F@H only ran in the background? In other words, as a low priority process.
So even WITH F@H running at full power, you still have windows to account for, which is monstrous compared to the XMB
From my understanding of the relative processing power between the Cell processor and the 360's CPU, the PS3 should be able to perform F@H calculations twice as well as the 360. Not sure why the PC was brought into the argument because it doesn't tell us anything about console performance.
One point of interest though. The design of ATI GPUs means they are far better suited than NVidia 7 series GPUs for the type of calculations used in F@H and physics, which is why there is ATI GPU support for F@H but not NVidia (plus I think there's a bug/problem with NVidia GPUs for such tasks). Not sure if there's support for the latest NVidia GPUs (I haven't checked yet).
GPUs are not as flexible as CPUs, so they can't be used for the full range of F@H calculations, but for those calculation they do support, ATI GPUs perform them much faster than the Cell processor can (by a factor of 2 or more I believe when I looked at the results a year ago).
Hence it is possible that if F@H was brought to the 360 (which will not happen), then they could use the 360's ATI GPU in the same way. The problem is, I'm not sure if both the CPU and GPU can be used at the same time for F@H. On those PCs with ATI GPUs, does anyone know if F@H makes use of both processors, or can it only be setup to use either the CPU or the GPU?
So going back to LBP, I would expect the PS3 to be up to twice as good as the 360 for physics calculations (assuming only the CPUs are used).
This is probably the longest, most retarded argument I've read in a long time. I need to squeeze my 2 cents in.
ISOhaven, you really come off as an ignorant douche. I'm not saying that you ARE one, but the way you write, with short sentences and constant smart ass remarks, really makes you seem so.
You say you're unbiased, but everything you say is in favor of the ps3. Everyone has a bias, it's natural. There is always something someone will prefer over another thing. The effect of saying "I'm not partial at all. I'm one of the most unbiased people you will ever meet. " makes you appear too ignorant to notice who you are. But at the same time, I am biased towards your comments. It seems like everytime I read your comments you are either a) complaining about something or b) believe you are pwning someone (by ignoring their arguments and taking one sentence they say WAY out of context).
You tear people apart for making assumptions, but not before you say "The 360 simply can not keep up with the physics." or something of that nature.
Like others have said though, arguing with you is useless. It's the combination of persistence and naivety.
For that reason, this is going to be my only post. I know you will probably reply, strip my comment apart and watch your e-***** grow.
I'm okay with that.
Mr Toasty - "So even WITH F@H running at full power, you still have windows to account for, which is monstrous compared to the XMB"
Wow, you just don't get it. You don't understand operating systems at all.
Jez - "PC" - To illustrate PS3 >> PC >>>> 360, thus there is no indication, theoretical or on paper that the two are "close" in processing power. Also, just playing around :)
Yes, ATI GPUs blow them away as well. The Nvidia F@H stuff (beta) sucks. I wont use it. I tried it and wont go back until major improvements are made. I just sold my dual 8800GTX's and bought three GTX 280's. I look forward to them beefing up the client for Nvidia.
It's either CPU or GPU. At least on the Nvidia side. However, like you said, there is only so much the ATI side can do.
"So going back to LBP, I would expect the PS3 to be up to twice as good as the 360 for physics calculations (assuming only the CPUs are used)."
Based on that alone, they where able to set the "level" BAR where it's at. Lower the physics processing and you must lower the bar. Exactly what I said from the very beginning.
The funny part is, all this doesn't equate to the PS3 being any better or any worse then the 360. Yet all these fanboy freaks feel the need to jump into action.
I love this site!!!!
@Popson -
"...but the way you write, with short sentences and constant smart ass remarks, really makes you seem so."
Ok, fair enough. But, go back and JUST read my initial comment. Pretty normal right? Yeah I get that way when I run into people that feel the need to claim "PROVE IT" or people that just flat out give out false information.
"You say you're unbiased, but everything you say is in favor of the ps3."
Not true. Read more of this site. Head over to the Wii section. In this comment alone I neither praise or deny the 360. The 360 has it's own strengths. But naturally those are not coming up in this convo because we're talking about a specific negative of the 360. Why is a requirement for EVERYONE when they give a negative about the poor little 360 that they MUST also give a positive? As if the 360's feelings are going be hurt? Give me a break!
"Everyone has a bias, it's natural."
Of course. Which is why I claim to be ONE OF the "most" unbiased people.... not a 100% unbiased person. There is nothing wrong with claiming as such.
By all means, cut and paste a situation where I took someone's words "way out context". Along with where I ignored an argument. I believe TWICE on this page I specifically pointed out where two other people flat out refused to comment on very specific topics of my posts.
"You tear people apart for making assumptions, but not before you say "The 360 simply can not keep up with the physics." or something of that nature."
How is that relevant? Why are you ONLY addressing me? FOUR other people on this page have said the same thing. The comment right above yours said the SAME thing. Plus you have wilm...whatever claiming I said the 360 can't do physics? Yeah, I'm going to rip him a new one. You better believe it!
I don't understand operating systems at all? Please.
In fact you didn't even give me a point to counter, just refused to acknowledge what I said other than to insult me. Like others on this thread have said, it is pointless to argue with you.
Anyways, back to what I said in my first post, why I believed this game could run well on the 360, assuming it were the lead and only platform, was because the game doesn't seem to push any level of physics. Is it just me? The game looks fun, and smooth, but I don't see anything revolutionary from a technical standpoint.
Maybe I'm missing it, (regardless of how many trailers I watched), oh well.
Ok so name one of the 360's strength then since your so familiar with it.... Oh I bet it hurts you to even try doesn't it. You fanboys should really ask sony to pay you all for defending their system to the bitter end for free for them honestly. If I ever start a game company I hope I can get mindless fanboys to defend my company even if it means they make up false truth's and smear the competition.
first off id like to say this is getting to personal everyone here needs to RELAX
@: wilmheath - you are a troll. from now on i will ignore every post you make, whether you personally attack me or not. honestly stop riding other peoples coat tails and pretending their on your side.
@isohaven- you have taken the troll too seriously not everyone on this site is against you. i'm positive you and toasty can have an intellectual discussion if you stop being so defensive
@everyone else
i would like to personally apologize for this bullsht. one persons opinion should never be treated as fact. this discussion has gone completely off topic and should be ended with apologies(which will never come) we should agree too disagree and move on.
I agree it has gotten out of control and it all goes back to ISOHaven's original false truth. "The 360 simply can not keep up with the physics". I asked him to admit that he made up this "fact" and this is the outcome because he is too prideful to admit he is wrong. I apologize if I came off as attacking but I get really tired of fanboys making things up.
@Mr Toasty - "I don't understand operating systems at all? Please."
Proof is in your posts. I mean, COME ON, we have PROOF that you think "windows" sitting there doing nothing uses up enough CPU resources to inhibit another CPU intensive application. Yup, that right there proves you are ignorant of such things.
"In fact you didn't even give me a point to counter, just refused to acknowledge what I said other than to insult me."
I never insulted you. Stating someone is ignorant of something is not an insult. Go buy a dictionary.
"because the game doesn't seem to push any level of physics. Is it just me?"
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! !!! Yup, it's just you. Thank you AGAIN for proving how ignorant you are of such things.
"The game looks fun, and smooth, but I don't see anything revolutionary from a technical standpoint."
And?
@wilmheath - "Ok so name one of the 360's strength then since your so familiar with it."
Is this going to make you feel better? Is this going to keep you from continuing to act like an idiot about this? I'll give MS two pats on the back just for YOU. 1. The GPU in the 360 is much more efficient then the PS3's. 2. I'm jealous as all hell that the 360 is getting full disc installs :(
"... Oh I bet it hurts you to even try doesn't it."
Not really, because I do it all the time. Every time a idiot fanboy like yourself throws a temper tantrum I find myself having to boost up the 360 just so the idiot fanboy can sleep better at night. It's pretty easy actually.
"You fanboys should really ask sony to pay you all for defending their system to the bitter end for free for them honestly."
Wow, you truly are stupid! Either that or you have proven that you have NOT read any of my posts on this page.
"If I ever start a game company I hope I can get mindless fanboys to defend my company even if it means they make up false truth's and smear the competition."
Start with a mirror and you'll have at least one!
@death - I'm not so sure about that. So far he's tried to explain that F@H on PC ONLY works in the background and that windows is too busy using up the CPU to give F@H a chance. That's is down right ignorant. Then he wants us to believe that LBP doesn't really use physics? Nope, I draw the line at that much ignorance. You can't have a decent conversation with someone that ACTS like they know what they are talking about.
@wilmheath - Why should "I" admit I was wrong when you have FOUR OTHER PEOPLE on this page telling you the SAME THING? The 360 can NOT keep up with the PS3 in regards to physics.
FACT - FOUR PEOPLE have said the exact same thing.
FACT - You only want ME to admit I was wrong.
That means you have a stick up your ass in regards to me. Which makes you a troll. You are specifically trying to "cause conflict". You've done it from the very beginning. Death is right in this regard. You are worthless, useless and a total waste of time.
CPU Power
PS3>PC>360
Deal with it.
"@wilmheath - Why should "I" admit I was wrong when you have FOUR OTHER PEOPLE on this page telling you the SAME THING? The 360 can NOT keep up with the PS3 in regards to physics."
Uhh this is a playstation site.. I wouldn't expect anything less.
"Start with a mirror and you'll have at least one!"
Uhh.. Did that really just happen? Did you actually use the mirror comeback? Come on ISOHaven you have all these cool made up facts and that is the best comeback you have?
Anyways this whole thing is pretty laughable if you look at it and see what we are all getting uptight about. Much more important things to fight over than which system is better. Shame on us all.
"Uhh this is a playstation site.. I wouldn't expect anything less."
No it's not you moron. This site covers all consoles and other subjects as well. News posts get cross posted all the time.
"Uhh.. Did that really just happen? Did you actually use the mirror comeback?"
Yes, I did. Same as your pathetic politician crap.
All in all I like you completely dodge everything that was relevant in my post AGAIN.
Either way it's good to know more and more people are starting to not take you seriously and are tagging you as the moronic fanboy you are:
http://ps3.qj.net/Analyst-Xbox-360-to-pwn-PS3-this-Christmas-Nintendo-need-not-worry/pg/49/aid/123691/act/success
You've gotta be kidding me!
"I never insulted you. Stating someone is ignorant of something is not an insult. Go buy a dictionary."
I can't even believe you just said that.
Also, you have completely missed my point. Like, way off, and stop calling me ignorant for posting a point YOU don't agree with.
Windows is designed to run on thousands of different hardware configurations. This inherently means that it is bloated as it cannot be optimized for any single hardware set. F@H doesn't have access to the hardware directly, it, like all other windows programs run on *top* of Windows. In contrast, the PS3's OS has been designed to run on one and only one set of hardware (that is, the PS3 XD), giving the PS3 F@H an advantage.
Finally, and I don't mean for this to be offensive, but I think a huge reason why people are attacking you personally is that you come off as very arrogant. Whether it be the WTF?!?!?!?! in the subject name or that you laugh at anyone with a different opinion of you, you come off as a troll, while all the valid points you DO make (coupled with more modesty?) would make everyone respect you more as a skilled debater.
Then again maybe this is lost among the roaring fanboyism of the QJ comments.
""Uhh this is a playstation site.. I wouldn't expect anything less."
No it's not you moron. This site covers all consoles and other subjects as well. News posts get cross posted all the time."
You may want to do some research as to how this site got started my friend... I used to write for them when it was just a psp site. Why do you think all the ps articles get way more hits?
"Also, you have completely missed my point. Like, way off, and stop calling me ignorant for posting a point YOU don't agree with."
Agree? What you said is FALSE. Anyone that knows ANYTHING about software and hardware knows what you said is FALSE. It's not a matter of agreeing. What kind of an idiot would AGREE with FALSE information?
Get over youself already. You're obviously nothing more then an inexperienced kid. This is not a debate, most of what you say is FALSE.
Windows does not use a high amount of CPU while it sits idle. PERIOD! End of that discussion. LBP uses TONS of physics. Those are FACTS. STFU already, stupid kid! Now THAT is an insult.
People? Only YOU and that other idiot wil are acting like a bunch of damn fools. In case you didn't already realize, this entire comment section is 6 to 2 in MY favor.
Gees, what a FOOL!
Take a long hard look at the comment ratings! GET A CLUE!
"You may want to do some research as to how this site got started my friend... I used to write for them when it was just a psp site. Why do you think all the ps articles get way more hits? "
1. I don't believe a for a second that an idiot such as yourself wrote for anything. Take a look at your grammar. "IF" you did write for QJ, then it's easy to see why you no longer do.
2. I don't give a damn what QJ used to be. Your comment and MINE are in regards to what it is NOW.
So what is this now? A third, moronic, waste of time fork you've split off onto?
The comments ratings can easily be manipulated. Fake emails and puppet accounts take minutes to create, so don't even pull that.
It's obvious you are a troll and your methods of arguing have become clear. There is no longer a point to argue as even after offering you a compliment and peace offering you continue to personally attack me.
What respect I had for you is gone, and I'm going to stop even wasting my time here. Like Papson said, you can keep posting to make your e-***** grow, but no one is listening anymore.
Wilmheath I'd advise you to do the same thing, this argument is far too long and stupid anyways.
microsoft has been very foolish allowing consumers the choice of not having a hard drive and blu-ray, and now they are paying the price by not having as many games coming to them. that's why future xboxes are probably going to have blu-ray and hard drives built in. sony did the right thing, and all the clever developers know it.
"The comments ratings can easily be manipulated. Fake emails and puppet accounts take minutes to create, so don't even pull that."
I believe that's called a straw man argument. Full of "nothing".
"It's obvious you are a troll and your methods of arguing have become clear."
HAHAHAHA!!!! That's why it's 6 against 2? Hilarious!!! I'm sure that helped you sleep over the weekend.
"There is no longer a point to argue as even after offering you a compliment and peace offering you continue to personally attack me."
Gee, I attacked you with TRUTHS. How awful!!!
"What respect I had for you is gone"
You say that like anyone cares? I never had any respect for you. The first and only post I ever noticed of yours was pure ignorance. Have fun in life with your Windows CPU Theory. As well, keep telling people LBP has close to no physics. You'll get a lot of "respect" from that BS.
"and I'm going to stop even wasting my time here. Like Papson said, you can keep posting to make your e-***** grow, but no one is listening anymore."
Obviously he was wrong as you posted AGAIN! This article is old and buried and that's why no one is reading it anymore. However, like myself, being Monday, a couple people might dip into it again.
"Wilmheath I'd advise you to do the same thing, this argument is far too long and stupid anyways."
Not too long or too stupid for you to have posted again.
Ok, ok. I totally just wasted about 30 minutes slowly going back and forth between wilmheath and ISOhaven. Well, you obviously both have created enough heat to keep the fire going for longer. This totally has gone from a debate, into an argument, and now into a pride and self worth issue. Just stop commenting on each other. For rilz. ISOhaven is teh leet haxorz, and wilmheath is teh loo sarz. It's all gibberish after awhile--like hens bickering. First of all, don't come to a PS3 forum, owning a Microsoft XBox 360, and expect to get your balls scratched for free. Flaming is guaranteed. If you own both systems and persist to talk 1's and 0's when it comes to processing differences, then all you are doing is wasting your own valuable time when you could be raging about the difference in screenshots on CoD4 (sarcasm.) LittleBIGPlanet (LBP) isn't going to come to the 360. For fanboys: STOP WHINING. You get everything thing else you want because your big brother, Bill Gates, goes around beating up all the other kids in the neighborhood. You still have a nice lineup though. This whole discussion is completely blown out like a old condom already. The PS3 was designed to be the one-up on Microsoft. That's why it's called Delaystation. Sony is like that creepy old dude that watches your sister get undressed through the window. Every day he waits to strike, but his plan gets more refined, his timing gets more precise and his story to corroborate the crime gets more lengthy. Microsoft was walking down the street, saw the ***** in the window and went for it without really thinking about the consequences. Either way, they both win. Sony sits on it like a master plan, and Microsoft lays the pipe but doesn't have a rubber and gets a nasty infection. I know, these are horrible ways to sum it all up. Instead of attacking each other though, you could just learn to laugh at your own misfortune. Stop fighting already. Go watch Ninja kitteh on youtube and close this damn thread before it makes some 12 year old boy cry about some jerk on teh netz, flamzin hiz commintz.