Im

not surprise, someones getting fired at sony

SWEET!

HOPE SONY WINS ! THAT WELL BE SWEET!

wow

m$ is a little cry baby if you ask me. sony speaks the truth about something and m$ goes all chaotic just cause of some 2x6 grid that someone came up with on word/excel. wow. like they need any more money than they already have. seriously though. the info given IS true if you ask me. m$ just wants to cover up how poor their choices were with what came in the box. hd (for core)? scratch that wireless controller (for core)? nah next gen video format? no, but we have this awsome usb 2.0 device coming out soon! dvd playback out of the box? scratch that (you would think they would have learned by now) ability to TRANSFER images, songs, etc to the hd? nah but we will still consider ourselves the next generation of hardware. m$, get a clue, stfu, and face the facts. yes you can bash me, as long as you can prove any of my statements false, i have no problem with it. kthanksbye

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What a fanboy

I laugh at your fanboy stupidity lol hahahahaha narrow minded freak lol hahahaha

heh

i would just like to point out that the 360 does playback dvds out of the box and no point on arguein most of the other points you made since theyre so biased anyway

HAHA THIS IS SOOOO FUNNY

^^^^^^ Dude you prove that the world is going to hell. People are dying in the world for loads of nasty things, yet a bunch of geeks can sit online and scream bloody murder at someone who insults their console which are all owned by faceless corporations who really don't give a *****. Anyway, funny stuff I would love to be a lawyer to cash on in this crap.

your a fanboy too lol wow lots and lots of fanboy

refer to my last thread for when i laugh at you lol

This fact sheet can be interpreted many ways

Sony will win this battle. Sony is simply stating that in order for the Xbox360 to be comparable to the Sony PS3, you have to have those add-ons. Thats the position Sony will most likely take. And its a position that many companies have been taking for a long time. Remember all those commercials on TV that compare one product to another. One is better because its more efficient and to get the same performance, you need this, that and etc. Microsoft stands no chance on winning this because they do the same with their software.

Wow, MS has bankrupted companies and lied for years.

MS is a company that should know about lying and stealing other peoples ideas. They stole many of apples ideas in vista and now they are suing sony over something as lame as this? The stupid thing is even true and they are suing because sony put "required" on the sheet. Well it is "required" if it is to be equal to the PS3. The sad thing is is that MS will probably win. It would be so nice for Sony to win this one and make MS look like the joke they are.

WTF is up with microsoft

microsofts *****in dumb, thats why i have always stuck with sony (even though they are dumb too, microsoft is still dumber) Sonys got this won

what?

what happened with freedom of speech? Sony can say whatever they want. I mean come on they are just words.

Uhm

You CAN transfer images and songs to the HDD, I have at LEAST 4gigs of songs on it and 200-300 photos. I have NO idea what you're talking about. The whole point of addons is for people who dont want/need it. Plus: I believe sony isnt in a good situation to be getting sued. MS wants to slow down sony as much as possible i'd think. Whats wrong with making a few more dollars? If you dont want your money, someone else will GLADLY take it. BTW: I'll be buying the HD-DVD addon.

Well

Even if sony "wins" I still have my 360, a PC, and a sweet selection of games. And plus: if sony "wins" it just means they are still afloat. If they "loose", they could be a slowly sinking ship. They are loosing money every day. You could say they would be saved by PS3's, but that wouldnt last long due to shortages.

hmm

this is really no diff than that pepsi stunt double commercial where they bring in the coke can.. grow up microsoft , its just a FACT sheet.. we all know the truth hurts

Bogus rumor

Thats all I got to say.

nothing yet

there has been no official confirmation about MS suing Sony. mainly rumours so far.

hm...

so...they're suing in order to deny facts?... All the sheet seems todo is compare the system after adding in the same components and calculating the costs. It's comparing the systems at equal ratios. I'm not sure why they're seeing, but this will be quite intresting

In the end

The prices on top of the sheet only matter.

freedom of speech

Freedom of speech concerns opinion, not false facts. Though Sony has a point, i think this was just a low way of advertising. Besides, if you buy the premium you get the wireless controller for free and pay one dollar extra on the HDD. MS wants choice, which is, in my opinion, not a bad strategy, since yes, they can ask more for the total. And since I dont want the HDDVD im glad it made my 360 cheaper

What is the point of the HD-DVD add on.

^^And here we have a loser that is planning on buying the useless HD-DVD add on. I love the fact that you are going to buy something that should have been available out of the box.

Hmmm

Even if this is true....Sony could counter sue over the graphs and charts MS showed last year. Dont know what im talkin about? http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

AHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA!!!!

About Damn Time!! Finally M$ sues someone!! Couldn't have happend to a better company than Nosy! -LV

Stop arguing over consoles... =P

You people make me laugh. You act as though MS suing Sony is huge and then you try and defend these two companies... they both lie and they both want money. Do you even know why you argue over video game consoles? It's pathetic.

Sony is absolutely right!

Listen, Sony is absolutely spot on. I have had a 360 since day 1. I will get a PS3 too, but not at launch since I will be on vacation :(. Anyhow, I have said this many a times to friends. To have highdef on 360 you need to spend an additional $199. You also have to buy the wireless Wifi adapter for the 360 for $99. In the end, the 360 IS more money for the similar tech. While people don't want to spend the big bucks up front, with the 360 they spend more over a protracted time unless they buy everything up front as well. Hey, both units are great. I will have my Halo 3, my GT4 and cry in joy. Highdef gaming at its best is to own it all. I have no favorites here, both consoles look great next to my Gamecube, Dreamcast, Xbox and N64 which are still all hooked up :) p.s. I am not a gamer.

just another fact

I did not even see that the Sony sheet did not include the wireless $99 adapter for the 360, so in essence, add another $99 to the 360! Sony is a better bargain.

Stupid Sony

Wouldn't it be nice if we had choices? Well, Sony didn't bother. They give you stuff that you don't need. Blu-Ray? Nope, don't "need it". Microsoft gave people a choice on what to buy. No you don't need to have the HD-DVD player to be able to play games. You also don't need a HDD if you are going to play games and will only need saves. Just buy a memory card if you want. Microsoft isn't "forcing" you to buy online. Yeah, it costs 50 bucks but for one year. That's cheap. Sony, you've lied, and now you lied about the other systems. Many people lost their love for Sony. And yes, I am one of those people.

doesn't this seem like roses for sony

Whenever MS and Nintendo try to do something,Sony always kicks their butts everytime...hmmmm...whhhyy...Oh that's right they AREN'T on sony's level.Sony thinks when they have the PS3 that they say will autowin the console wars.I guess sony forgot something important: having A BRAIN.

Sony Is Just Telling The Truth

Anyone can see that Sony is telling the truth about all the specs. Anyone with a 360 knows too. I think the Xbox 360 is a great machine but there are a few major flaws in their design. HDDVD for one is a major issue. It should be in the unit in the first place and used for games. Microsoft rushed their product and didn't think things though better and it is going to hurt them in the end. With as much knowledge and money Microsoft has, it is kinda sad that they launched a system in that manner.

your an idiot

dude, my friend got a 360 core and couldnt play ANY games because he needed a $100 dollar HDD, thats bull*****, and he still cant even play regular xbox games out of the box because he has to do some bull***** update, ps3 is obviously the smarter company,

I'm not arguing over Systems.

I'm saying Sony should have been a LOT more careful about what they say as fact for their competition. "First up, were you aware that to use your Xbox 360 Core system you’re required to buy the 20GB drive add-on, an HD DVD drive, a wireless controller, and an Xbox Live sub? We weren’t either. But hey, it says right there, “requires users to buy” and this is, in fact, a “fact sheet.” Of course, none of that’s actually true, and what’s more, were one to use the Xbox 360 Premium console pack in that chart instead of the Core pack, the total would be $399 for a console with that very same hard drive, wireless controller, and Xbox Live Silver subscription (which provides access to everything but multiplayer) — remember, kids, an HD DVD drive is not required to do anything but watch high def movies — it has nothing to do with high def gaming." Sony misrepresented M$ and Nintendo for their own personal gain. Basically, Sony is Busted. ... And before you get all angry at me, read the site. -V

LOL

M$ cant take shots towards its system. Its like saying that M$ says things that the PS3 cant do,etc but it can. Sony should sue M$ for saying they cant run games at 1080p at 60FPS!!.....

true true

I see what you mean chuck. Ever since microsoft has put out the 360, there has been what, more than 10 firmware hacks for the DVD drive that will let them boot game soff of the HDD?? But sony, they tok a whole different approach to the system. they are making it more secure by adding in a Blue-Ray DVD drive that will make the games about 45 gigs each. And since the HDD is only going to be a max of 60gigs, that makes it less possible to crack the firmware becasue the games will be so huge. But then again, you have to put into account that you will probably be able to use the 500 gig Sata HDD with the system...So it doesnt matter really, unless there is a limit on how big the HDD can be...

lol!

You say "You also don't need a HDD if you are going to play games and will only need saves. Just buy a memory card of you want". < I remember Xbox 1 owners laughing at the PS2 because you would have to buy so many mem cards (not my case) all cuz they had the 8GB HDD built-in. Now they say "uuh...no we no longer need HDD, just buy a Mem card." *sigh*....gotta love irony.

uh huh

You also forgot something: 1. Whether you like it or not that's marketing and also a console war. Sony's low level you say? Go check last year's Major Nelson's Xbox 360 vs. PS3 chart. There was no need for that from Micro$oft. Who acted first I wonder? Hmm...it seems that... 2. You also forgot to use YOUR BRAIN.

You're stupid

you can't sue someone over a piece of html when sony isn't even using it. The gaming sites are using it.

I agree

The 360 sure is a rushed system just look at it. Year 2005....a new console with a....disc tray and using a more than 6 year old disc format!? Oh and...a big external AC adapter (maybe if they gave some more time to the internal design...that big thing would've never existed and maybe they could've lowered the heat that console generates).

r u crazy

sony is the one that released this information... the gaming sites in turn distributed it throughout the web. this is called false advertizing and has a strong bases for a law suite.

blow off

What a bunch of *****s. If Sony is getting sued over this then Major Nelson should be hung. You all should know the bubbly froth of deceit that comes out of his crappy ass podcast right? Ah who am i kidding, I speaking to the same fools who agree with the incredibly stupid/gay wii60 concept: Buy a 360 for the hell of it and get a wii to play games! wii60, puh, should be called "wiilikeitupourass"

Yeah

Microsoft continuously downplays Sony's hardware and software, 1080p and networking, quite blatantly. As soon as Microsoft gets a dose of its own medicine it cries foul play? It is definitely time to get linux on my machine.

We aren't talking about slander

We're talking about Sony printing "In order to -play- an Xbox 360 you are -required- to spend a total of $698". Its up there, read that "Fact Sheet" released by SONY That is a lawsuit. That's like if Burger King was advertising "In order to eat at McDonalds you need to pay a $20 cover charge and spend $15 in food plus what you want to eat." McDonalds would be stupid not to sue Burger King in that scenario because its false and would hurt their buisness. -Legal V

Sony committed Libel

By saying they were required. Now they get sued. Nothing surprising, and I am glad because Sony has been putting out enough FUD already.

wtf

its just a *****in fact sheet, it has nothing to do with anything, ms shouldnt be able to sue just because of stupid numbers. *****in greedy bastards. i hope sony winds this. this is like me saying pie is 3.14 and then getting sued for it because i forgot to mention the extra digits. bullshyt.

scared

you know what this means right? They are scared yes they are scared of sony

Sony....shut up

Sony needs to worry more about putting out those consoles instead of doing a fact sheet that really about themselves didn't need to be put out there in the first place. If people want an 360 or a PS3 or a Wii, they will buy it be cause they want to. It's about the best games for the system, not the specs of the system.

stupid

microsoft can suck my balls dumb asses suing over paper scared of the ps3

wow the fanboyism..

I'm suprised all the Sony fan hasn't gripe, moaned, or compained when Sony threw all those lies at you concerning the PS3. Too bad you couldn't sue Sony yourself right'? All this drama is just drama. In the end we'll get good games- from both Sony and Microsoft (Wii too). That's all that matters.

hmm

I'm actually kinda disappointed in MS... Suck it up, yeah its not true but cry me a river...

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microsoft is getting scared. they see how much the ps3 is shaping up so now that they have ammo. theyre going to use it.

additionally

Don't companies do stuff like this all the time? I thought it was just spin... why is MS all of a sudden getting it's panties in a bunch? Any intelligent person can determine the value of the systems and what they need to be happy with their gaming experience. IMO, the core 360 is worthless. The premium 360 is a respectable next gen system. The $500 PS3 sku is better than the premium 360 b/c it comes with a wireless controller (or did the premium ship with a wireless controller? if so I stand corrected) and has a BR player and HDMI port-which has value since I like to watch movies and heck, why not in hi-def? Also you don't have to pay for the online platform... all points for the PS3. The $600 PS3 has added value b/c of the larger HDD, wifi out fo the box, and all the card readers. If you want all that stuff, go for it. but once again, at the end of the day, it all comes down to what features you want AND MOST IMPORTANTLY which console has the games that you enjoy. Anyways, buy a PS3 b/c you want one, not b/c Sony tells you too. And MS, quit your whining... you do the exact same *****.

LMFAO ahahahahahahah

you just called two companies dumb and gave no reasons why you have this bias, wow I think we got a smart kid here.

......

wtf where you trying to prove something to yourself...., becaus erambling on with no facts isn't going to convince anyone, watch. OMG sony is such uber ducheybags they suck big *****s and get in ***** so they can steel money from stupid *****suckers. they just want money omg i will never buy a ps3 because sony sucks *****. Ok so did that make you want to buy a 360 or wii i hope not.

Haha

I just read over that article and if you had the brains to read you would know every statement is fact, maybe it's worded for smarter people, I think that is most likely your argument. Now why don't you go ask your mother to translate the article for you....okie poopsiekins

um

were saying you no longer need a hard drive if you don't have the money smart one, it would nice if you could read something before contradicting it.

MS would not win

the only case MS would have would be that SOny commited Libel by realsing this fact sheet, they would therefor have to prove that what was said there is false. Sony qould have to either a)prove that the statement was true. or b) Show that the statement was a view that a reasonable person could have held, even if they were motivated by dislike or hatred of the plaintiff. Regardless of what side you are on in the console war, this is something that sony can most deffinatly prove in there case because the "required" term that they used was ment as "required to meet" and they never specifically said "required to play."

Total Crap

So Microsoft is the stupid kid on the playground with a big mouth, M$ picks a fight with Sony via flaming Sony's HW specs, Sony hits back, and then M$ cries to the teacher. *clapping from this impressive display of pussingout on M$'s part* But it's not true. Proof that this is just a pile of flamebait and bu11*****: It's in the XBox forums... nuff said.

Dig /your/ own grave, now, Microsoft!

Okay, so MS says Sony can't do 1080p 60FPS. 1080p is useless/straight up impossible. Also, they go on about how the ps3 is weaker than the 360--if it is, then why do the games look better? http://ps3land.com/preview-22.php Confirmed real-time: http://ps3land.com/images/TGS2006/finalfantasy13/2_large.jpg You find me a 360 game that looks better than that screen shot, and then I'll agree that the ps3 is weaker. If not, then shut the ***** up, and follow what the games are showing. If the 360 is so powerful, then they need some smarter/better developers. Until then, they need to stop with THEIR false advertising. Sony said it themselves; those are not required for playing games. They ARE required to equal the power of the lower end ps3. They must have presented the graph, and explained things more thourally. The fact that the specific information is absent from the simple chart, obviously made in a mere 5 seconds using common sense, is a minor mishap. They even forgot the $100 wifi adapter. So I'm sorry boys and girls, but your 360 system racks up a sexy $798. $$$CHA CHING$$$ (the lower end PS3 doesn't include wifi either, but hell, $600 looks a lot better than $800, doesn't it? Unless it's a paycheck, of course =]) For now, the lower end systems are being compared, so don't even throw any "LOOK AT THIS BUNDLE PRICE!!" comments at me. Hey, *****, you think the ps3 won't have bundles? Think again. Everybody knows that the 360 can play games out of the box--if you're so retarded to think otherwise then you don't even deserve a next gen console. So I don’t know who MS thinks their proving themselves to. Just continue to make asses of yourselves. Please. It’s funny. Microsoft is just getting all pissy because the information regarding their system's added total is now being publicized by their greatest competition. This is the saddest show of fear I have EVER seen. All was fine and dandy when Xbox news sites and forums were blazing with "the ps3 is pricey!" news, but when Sony actually shows which system is really is "pricey," then our retarded-American-company finds a problem, and *****es. I'm sure proud that MS is an American company--they are definitely representing us well. To anyone who thinks Microsoft is helping themselves in any which way, with this case, then you're sadly mistaken. The more people who get to see this chart then the more PS3 consoles Sony will sell. It's not blatantly public, as of now, for all of the media to see, but when it is, MS will wish they would have never ever blown this out of proportion. Come on Microsoft. Let the media expose this graph for all to see. I *****ing dare you.

Is this supposed to prove something?

BTW, where's the HD-DVD player in these bundles? What? You'd need to fork over an additional $199 inorder to equal the $500 PS3?? You fail.

for real

the subject of my reply to you says it all. waa waa, get ur blanket.

***** ms

***** m$ greedy fact cats!! come on sony fans lets rally up. Fight the power 1!!!!!!!!la revolution!!!!!!!

true truth, here

exactly. I'd love to see sony counter sue for all the crap MS has been wailing about. I'm getting a ps3 for FFXIII, RFOM, fatal inertia, tekken 6, KH III, motor storm, etc etc etc. The 360 has what for me... DOA? Tekken 5 scored more than DOA, so obviously it's all show. And all those shooters? lol, I'll live. The ps3 has the best franchises, and better graphics on the third party games (slightly better or not, they ARE better). So shove it, MS fanboys. My friend has a 360 and he can't find a single worthy game.

lmao

" So Microsoft is the stupid kid on the playground with a big mouth, M$ picks a fight with Sony via flaming Sony's HW specs, Sony hits back, and then M$ cries to the teacher." lmao, very funny, but you forgot the part where sony gets all of its friends like samsung and such, to gang up on MS, because no one likes them. Wait, nevermind, Sony does enough ass kicking on its own :)

LOL

You need to go back to school for some english courses, or maybe even typing. It's not your fault you suck, or the 360. You were both just born that way.

yes.

Sony fans do need to come together. xbots are all americans, while ps3 fans are in japan--america too, but they're shunned away by the hoards of 360 fans (japanese can't comment these articles and defend the ps3. The 360 targets 16-25 yr old boys in america, and that is it, so obviously forums and stuff are littered with stupid 360 gangs, while the ps3 fans sit and wonder if anyone will defend their beloved). If we all grew some balls, then the ps3 fans could really turn the ps3 image around. I've been doing it for a while, and slowly, I've been seeing a lot of sony lovers coming out and speaking their minds. The gist of this, Sony ps3 fans, don't be little *****es and just watch your system being toasted. Take affirmative action, and show the xbots what you're made of. Sure, you may get a little flaming, but right after your defense, more will rise, and soon, the xbox 360 will have just as good a rep as the xbox. Complete crap. MS should just stick to updating WMP every month.

LMFAO

Is this author kidding me? This is just another ploy by Microsoft to get money... Are you actually going suing over a fact sheet? Its their asumptions/comparisions, you know how many times we've heard that Xbox 360 core is nothing compared to Ps3 core now its written on paper for comparison and they get sued. This case better get thrown out, its bs...... It is the people who choose to listen, I don't think much people around this world know this sheet exists.

Hella Funny!

Reading these replies is the best laugh ive had all day! The Sony fanboys Vs. the Microsoft Fanboys! Sony Fanboy "lol, Microsoft doesnt have a shot at winning because they are being greedy *****s!" Microsoft Fanboy "HAHAHAHA about time it happened! I'm smarter than you!" The way I see it, them putting thier money into a legal battle over something something like this isnt going to help either camp in the long run. The only real opinion I would like to see on this matter is Nintendo's, and hopefully they wont get involved in this bout.

here's something else to consider...

60 gig $599 PS3: Wi Fi = $0 60gig HD = $0 Wireless Controller = $0 Blu Ray drive = $0 HDMI cable = $49.99 (Sony announced the price for their brand HDMI cable) Total: $648 20 gig $399 X Box 360 Premium Wi Fi adaptor = $99 20 gig HD = $0 Wireless Controller = $0 HD DVD drive = $199 Controller Charger = $19 Component Cable = $0 X Box Live = $50 a year Total = $766 this is what you will be spending if you try and match the Premium 360 with the 60 gig, $599 PS3 feature for feature. to me, Sony was being really fair in their comparrison, and Microsoft is just pissed because Sony called them out on their nickle and dime scheme. i'm well aware that the add ons aren't necessary to play and enjoy games, but the comparison list is simply that: a comparrison. it wouldn't be an equal comparrison if the 360 add ons were left out. either way, Sony would have won the debate by offering more features for a fair price than their competitors (for $100 to $200 more, you get quite a bit with the PS3 package in comparison to the low end, and high end 360 models). honestly, just face the facts. to get your 360 to compare with the PS3 feature for feature, those superflous add-ons are necessary. and the main problem is that the HD DVD add-on will never be used for games (but it wouldn't surprise me if MS went back on that vow. they did say that 1080p wasn't relevent or necessary this generation, only to offer it after Sony showed off 6 games running in 1080p). it's a wise practice to not believe everything that comes out of PR people's mouths. wait for the proof, and come TGS, Sony delivered proof on it's promises. Microsoft has yet to make the 360 the be all, end all gaming console. i'm reserving judgement for at least 2 more years, when the 360 and PS3 will be hitting their stride. in either case, Microsoft's case is BS, as Sony was simply pointing out a truth, albiet with pro-Sony spin (what do you expect, though? Microsoft has been running a smear campaign all year on the PS3, apparently all is not fair in consoles and war).

no choice??

we *ALL* have a frickin choice! who says any one of us has to go out and buy a Wii, 360, or PS3? not anyone. we choose to buy whatever console tickles our fancy. if the PS3 doesn't do it for you, get a Wii or 360, and vice versa. no choice. give me a frigging break. i've been a gamer for over 20 years, and i know by now that i have absolute control over where my money goes. if Sony wasn't offering me something i didn't want, i'd go with the other guys. i happen to be excited about Blu Ray (though HD DVD is a very excellent format as well, it just doesn't have the industry support that Blu Ray does). i happen to like the titles they're offering (i also like quite a few upcoming 360 titles, but i'm not sure if they'll end up on my PC, so i'm waiting. Bioshock for certain is being bought for my PC). as for their online, as long as i can download game demos and movie trailers, i'm good. i don't care about playing online with fanboys like a lot of the folks that post across the net, and to me, single player games offer a more rewarding and satisfying experience. i'm not in the market to "pwn" anything or anyone, so i can care less about X Box Live, or Sony's online gaming setup. since i don't want a bunch of bulky add ons (did any of you guys know that the HD DVD add on for the 360 also has a power supply? that's a lot of stuff to make room for). i like the fact that my PS3 will be practically 100% backwards compatable with my PS1 and PS2 games (of which i have plenty), and the few X Box games that i own, aren't even supported by my 360. value is in the eye of the beholder, and those that got a 360 i'm sure are enjoying it. but those that didn't jump on right away at least have a choice. Sony is giving an option, much like Microsoft and Nintendo. it's completely our decision whether or not we give them our business. don't blame them for anything. no one is putting a gun to our head and making us shell out $250-$600 for a gaming console.

dur

sony a better bargain? not for me. i dont want an HDDVD player, so im not going to pay for one. i dont need wireless, so im not going to pay for it. my 360 does everything i want it to for less than the PS3. oh by the way, you dont need to spend an extra 200 bucks for HD on the xbox....pretty sure 720p is HD last time i checked

LOLlERSKATES!

Wow. This is funny. First of all, that is a horrible comparison. Yes they are comparing both Core systems, but why compare the Core PS3 to the Core 360 when you can get the Premium for less than the PS3 Core anyway? Not to mention that if you are going to get those "required" add-ons, then it's cheaper to get the premium instead of paying for the HDD and controller seperately. They don't realize the difference between what is optional and what is not. Am I going to get an HD-DVD add-on? No. Know why? Because I don't have a ******* HDTV to use it with, like MOST people. Most people don't have HDTV's, let alone a 1080p TV for Blu-Ray to be useful. The difference there is that the price is increased because they are FORCING you to buy it if you want a PS3. If that's what you have to do to justify your purchase, then so be it. Oh wow, it's "future-proof". Okay, so if either of these formats did catch on then all I would need to do is get the add-on when it is NEEDED, not when I don't need it. Not when there are barely any movies to make it useful. Actually sueing because of it though, is another story. They most likely will not win, since it would be retarded, and it doesn't matter anyway since only the blind would be fooled by that half-assed comparison.

LOLLERSKATES!

Wow. This is funny. First of all, that is a horrible comparison. Yes they are comparing both Core systems, but why compare the Core PS3 to the Core 360 when you can get the Premium for less than the PS3 Core anyway? Not to mention that if you are going to get those "required" add-ons, then it's cheaper to get the premium instead of paying for the HDD and controller seperately. They don't realize the difference between what is optional and what is not. Am I going to get an HD-DVD add-on? No. Know why? Because I don't have a ******* HDTV to use it with, like MOST people. Most people don't have HDTV's, let alone a 1080p TV for Blu-Ray to be useful. The difference there is that the price is increased because they are FORCING you to buy it if you want a PS3. If that's what you have to do to justify your purchase, then so be it. Oh wow, it's "future-proof". Okay, so if either of these formats did catch on then all I would need to do is get the add-on when it is NEEDED, not when I don't need it. Not when there are barely any movies to make it useful. Actually sueing because of it though, is another story. They most likely will not win, since it would be retarded, and it doesn't matter anyway since only the blind would be fooled by that half-assed comparison.

Rape.

Thanks for the double post. This sites format is *****ing horrible. "You must register before you can post again." Thank you for that misleading statement.

???

Don't see Nintendo complaining?

solid reporting

so the first link was from a 360 fans blog and the next is from the xbox forums...you call this news? There has been no word from Microsoft on this at all. It doesnt seem like they even have much of a case since the term "requires users to buy" is relative unlike something like "to play games you must buy".

Lol

I think Ms just took it in the wrong way..Sony compared the 20gb with the xbox 360 core system..If Sony were to compare it to the pro system it would be compared to the 60gb model of ps3. Sony has done nothing wrong as it is really what is needed to be have similar attributes to the ps3 and comparing the prices. Some people say the hd-dvd is not needed for games and only movies. I think sony compared it to their blue-ray player which plays both movies AND games. I guess sony was trying to point out that for what you pay, you probably get more value from the ps3 then what you would have to ad on with the xbox 360. Although sony has done some bad research about some of the facts i think their main goal was reached and it is some what true. Too bad another lawsuit is added for sony.

Nope. MS took it the right way.

>"I think Ms just took it in the wrong way" Would you have said the same if it was the other way round? I doubt it. Sony knew exactly what they were doing (don't pretend they're naive), since if you're going to make such a comparison, you choose the cheapest option available, not the most expensive, AND you make sure you get your facts right. >"Although sony has done some bad research about some of the facts" Yeh right, because after ALL this time, Sony (you know, that HUGE company about to launch a new console), just couldn't understand what 12 year kid knew since last year. >"i think their main goal was reached and it is some what true" Next time, they should try reaching their goal with the real facts. I'm getting my PS3, but I wish Sony would cut the cr@p sometimes, like the 2 TFLOPS vs 1 TFLOP claim, the Killzone realtime/pre-rendered controversy, the spring 2006 launch, the worldwide launch in November etc. Still, I guess all will be forgotten soon. :)

Desperate

You idiotic sony fanboys don't realize this is a sign of desperation. Even if you wanted all this stuff, it would be much cheaper if you buy the premium system. Also, sony's online service will suck. Remember PS2's? No? That's because there wasn't any. Have you heard anything about PS3's? Because it's thrown together at the last minute and will suck too!

Hmmm

I assume your chosen name of "Mr. Common Sense" is an attempt at being ironic, since common sense is exactly what your post lacks. :|

Random guy

Maybe MS should of just pointed out how bull***** Blue-Ray is lol. Heard Sony is getting fawked over by trying to use this new tech, a couple games that should be out when and shortly after its release are going to get pulled back and rewritten. All in all, both MS and Sony are screwed over because they are so focused on kicking on another asses and keep making mistakes (360 screw ups before it even leaves the store, its overheading. PS3's Blue Ray issuse and stated and its $700 price tag). But if I had to pick one, I'de say 360. Atleast its out and there worked out some of those bugs. If I buy PS3 its gonna wipe out my paycheck and its gonna have something wrong with it for sure, all systems do that when there fresh off the assembly line.

Hmmm...

Maybe this is Nintendo's chance with all this war going on over the superior 360 and PS3! Stupid name or not, Wii could use this chaos to there advantage +P.

No, that's not what it means

It means Sony made ***** up about the competition to make it look bad. Then they found out why there are laws against that *****.

I don't care

anyway sony is right, read the facts, it's not hard man! but they should have wrote: xbox360 must have *** to be equivalent ( in hardware stuff ) of the ps3 core system... now everybody would have lauph is ass off on the xbox 360 ( like I did ). anyway the xbox 360 will only have about 4 good games. ( 2 mistwalker, gears of war and err dunno, surely one other I don't know )

Random Guy

Anyways, I'm gonna stick with my XBox and PS2 until both drop in price and fix ALL of there errors. I was never the type of n00b who buys the system as it comes out, wastes 100's of $'s and has to wait months for good games to come out XD! Everyone, owned kthxbai! lol!

Really?

>"and the main problem is that the HD DVD add-on will never be used for games (but it wouldn't surprise me if MS went back on that vow)." It wouldn't be used for games because it just isn't good enough yet (atleast not until we have HD-DVD 2x). And even when 2x drives arrive, unless the first batch of HD-DVD add-ons is 2x, then it will not be used for games. On this issue, it seems that 99.9% of gamers here just cannot (or will not) understand that transfer speed is just as important as capacity, which in both HD-DVD 1x and Blu-ray 1x is only about 1/3rd the speed of the DVD drive in the 360! (Hence Blu-ray 2x in the PS3). >"they did say that 1080p wasn't relevent or necessary this generation, only to offer it after Sony showed off 6 games running in 1080p" MS made that point because Sony were going on and on that only 1080p (which only the PS3 was offering) was TRUE HD (remember that, or have you conveniently forgotten), and fanboys here and all over the net were more than keen to agree with Sony. The point is, even with 6 games, the rest of the PS3 games are still only 720p, but does that make them any less next-gen than the 1080p games? Of course not, and that's the point MS were making. Just the same, they've now added 1080p support, which should satisfy those who seem to think anything less than 1080p is not good enough. >"Microsoft has yet to make the 360 the be all, end all gaming console." And why should it need to be? What in your home is the "be all and end all" of it's type? If a console has games you want to play now or in the future, then you can buy it. If it doesn't have the games, then don't buy it. Simply as that. >"what do you expect, though? Microsoft has been running a smear campaign all year on the PS3...." For example? IMO, it would only seem like a smear campaign to overly sensitive gamers who jump to Sony's defence at even the slightest hint of negativity. You know, gamers who make it their sworn duty to defend Sony no matter what.

lol inbox?

if you want to talk about poor inbox options, sony failed to mention their lack of hd cables wich for fairness sakes we will use sony brand since all the xbox addons are first party. thats an extra 99$ on the ps3 and to even use the "quality" of the ps3 wich is what this chart is about you need a 3000$ hdtv set throw that in there and the ps3 will cost WAY more, sony forgot to add things that didnt benifit it in the chart, even including the wii and lying about its online prices is a clear show of sonys slander. bottom line sony will be sued and it will lose in court. slander is slander regardless of how you correct it AFTER the chart in print has been shown to the puplic.

lol

and apparantly you are "dumber-er" lol

whats to sue about?

whats to sue about in those charts? it cleanrly showed the cell had many advantages, but lacked in the general processing department, wich is a known fact even ibm can tell u that.

rushed?

what do u call rushed exactly? apparently everyone has forgotten the year lead the ps2 had over the xbox wich gave it the install base to win last console wars, also it was a year ahead and severly under powered and it wont simply because of that lead, i can still hear fanboys #1 line "the ps2 sold more" now suddnely its a bad thing to be ahead?

well

the reason why they CAN sue is because of the fact that its called a FACT sheet. since the xbox has options and everyone has their different needs, then this makes it an OPINION by sony, and calling it a fact sheet is a misuse of the term to skew things in their favor to those that have no brain and dont question what sony says. sony wouldnt win the word FACT and no explination to their use of "required" in print in the same chart closes the deal and pretty much makes it a done case in ms favor.

Wow pathetic

Do any of you fanboys have a life? Go out and get a life. Sony just gets more and more pathetic.

Hmmm

I dislike fanboys to but, posting online to tell anonymous fanboys to go out and get a life whilst calling Sony pathetic, isn't exactly a demonstration of having a life. ;)

@soapinmounth

dude, dont be so pathetic man.. does a person always have to state why they dont like something >_> search for something new to piss about 'smart kid'

po

yeah, ps3 doesnt need blu-ray I do wonder how the hell its gonna play back its own games, but hell, who cares, itll just look fancy standin there

jj

that wasnt really the point

Agreed.

Stop acting like little *****es everyone, this guy makes a lot of sense.

1 year advantage

The main reason the PS2 won the last generation wasn't the 1 year advantage, but instead the fact it had better games... they had the 3rd party support and a variety of games. The XBox was in last place until the release of Halo 2 and would have remained in last if it weren't for it.

.....enlightenment..

Whoa.... If Sony really meant they "required" users to buy those addons just to "play games," (as microsoft likes to so dumbly put it) (and not to just equal something close to the ps3's built in capabilities) then why did they list the add-ons under nintendo's console, when they know they are "not available" (N/A) for the wii? Wow, M$ is such a little *****! I never looked at nintendo's POV, but now that I did, I ironically find the kiddy company a lot more mature than our friends at microsoft. Go me, I figured out a solid piece of the puzzle :D!

preech it!

preech it brotha'!! No choice my ass. If you want an incomplete machine, then so be it, but don't complain when sony bundles things for you at a friggin bargain, with better graphics, and more immersive gameplay (thanks to motion sensing). I can't believe some of these people. Seriously, that was one of the best posts I've read here :)

idiot.

60 gig $599 PS3: Wi Fi + $0 60gig HD + $0 Wireless Controller + $0 Blu Ray drive + $0 HDMI cable + $49.99 (Sony announced the price for their brand HDMI cable) Total: $648 20 gig $399 X Box 360 Premium Wi Fi adaptor + $99 20 gig HD + $0 Wireless Controller + $0 HD DVD drive + $199 Controller Charger + $19 Component Cable + $0 X Box Live + $50 a year Total + $766 There's your core 360 and premium ps3 comparison. If you want to settle for less, then so be it, but don't preech a defense for something weaker, with half as many capabilities, okay? Great.

maturity

Nintendo's more mature than microsoft. They make their system and keep away from the media. MS always takes blows at sony, but when some defense is played in this war, MS has a problem. Completely unbelievable. Nintendo's 6 year old fans are more mature than microsoft.

assmite.

Sony's ps2 was capable of a completely lag free online experience. The fact that many games didn't support it was another story. Sony didn't need online to make their games fun. They did that on their own, okay? The ps3 will use xfire to power their online experience, which will connect with PC players for FREE. So yes, as of now, the online is set, so it's not like /you/ used common sense to Google any information. It's free and you can connect with a hell of a lot more people--I'd say that is "better." Thanks for the giggle, though. Your cry for intelligence almost made me wonder (but I see now, it's still carved in stone: MS fanboys are straight up retarded). This is not a sign of desperation. It's the truth, and if anything else, a solid defense to all the bashing MS has been complaining about, with the ps3's price. They just hate a dose of their own medicine. MS is showing weakness in all this complaining. They do need to make money "some how." The xbox + xbox 360 have yet to profit, so why not sue some money out of another company? Incase you're a bit lost; your ass just got served :)

...

first of all: spell check. second of all: re-read what you write. 3rd: the ps3 is $600. kthnxbye.

halo

You forgot halo; you know, that game MS counts on every time? The only game they talk about? Yeah. That one.

lol

You're mistaking the ps3 launch line up with the 360's. At launch Resistance fall of man will be out, along side sonic, oblivion, + fight night round 3. That's over 200 bucks worth of amazing, acclaimed games. One is usually enough, but sony has one of the best launch line ups I've ever seen. ....PWND XD!

ugh

I swear, The sony fanboys on this site are ridiculous. MS has not said ONE THING about Sony. Has MS gone out of its way to attack sony in the publics eye? Just once? No, they havent. They haven't done anything, and Sony comes up with this BS fact sheet that takes a core system, which is meant for someone who doens't want all the fancy features, and compared it to a PS3 with all of the features that a home entertainment buff would like. Its a un-called move by Sony, if anyone is afraid, its Sony, or eles they wouldn't have released the "fact" sheet. Sony is looking childish and stupid with thier horrible marketing strategies. Well, this time they messed with the wrong company. MS has the best lawyers....ever. They will settle for a nice chunk of change.

Well Alti, Alti Abash or whatever...

>"(but I see now, it's still carved in stone: MS fanboys are straight up retarded)" And how are Sony fanboys any different? It's quite clear from your posts here so far that you're a Sony fanboy, and afaik, all fanboys like yourself should be put in a sack and thrown in the river to drown, since they're no good to anyone. Ok, I know, that's a bit harsh, or should I say VERY harsh, but I really can't stand as$ kissing brown-nosing company loving fanboys like yourself.

lol

Fanboy hater, i don't know who you think you're preaching to, but it isn't a fanboy. now onto your points: 1.) what does disc transfer speed have to do with anything that i said about the HD DVD add on? the point i was trying to make is that if you buy the $199.99 add on, it's *ONLY* use will be for movies. if HD DVD fails (and it's highly possible, given it's low penetration rate and very low industry support), then you will be stuck with a useless add on, ie, the PS2 Hard Drive. at least with Blu Ray in the PS3, the Blu Ray drive is being used for games, as well as movies, and it's not via a bulky add-on. disc read speed has nothing to do with this point. 2.) you can't defend the 1080p argument. Microsoft is quoted saying that 1080p wasn't necessary, and that we would never see 1080p games this generation. a week later, Sony proved them wrong. Microsoft had to eat crow, and so they wouldn't appear like they were lacking in areas their competition wasn't, they added 1080p support. but since the console wasn't natively designed to output 1080p (ie, an HDMI output), they had to do it via upscaling, as well as component, which, we all know (unless you convieniently forgotten), most HD TVs don't support 1080p output via component. so though i applaud Microsoft for giving that functionality to it's 360 users, the fact that they'll have a hard time finding a TV in which to utilize that functionality is a mark against. by comparrison, most HD TVs coming out now, have an HDMI output, and by the time the PS3 is ready for primetime (ie, 2008, when it will begin it's push for the mainstream), HDMI enabled HD TVs will be dominant, and the cost will have dropped significantly (i've already seen a 50" Samsung HDTV, 1080p with HDMI output for $1899 online. and that's 50". who says you have to have a 50" TV? the 27" and 32" TVs were even cheaper). the 360 doesn't need to be the be all, end all of gaming consoles, but that doesn't stop MS from playing dirty. downplaying it's competition's boasting (which is equally absurd), but struggling to keep up regardless by adding superflous add-ons that could have been added to the unit in the first place, had they not rushed the 360 to market simply to gain market share. the 360 is a great *gaming* machine. but if you want a great gaming machine, with additional multimedia functionality that it was designed for from the ground up, get a PS3. it's all about choice, and we all have the choice to either eat what Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are offering, or walk away. as for the implication that i'm one of those folks that blindly jump to Sony's defense at every possible moment: think what you want about me, i don't care. i'm going to enjoy whatever game console(s) i find suits my lifestyle, and has the games i want to play. end of story.

lol. thanks!

i'm not a big fan of the Wii anymore (Nintendo has been routinely pissing me off the past 10 years), but i think the 360 is a great gaming console, and it shouldn't attempt to battle Sony on the multimedia front. for the 20 something gamer that wants more than a game console, however, the PS3 is a great bargain. much like the PSP, i like the additional functionality. i routinely show off videos and pictures to my buds on my PSP, as well as play games on it. as for a gaming console, my life doesn't revolve around gaming anymore (that went away the moment i graduated from high school, got a job, and got my own apartment. the real world has a way of subduing your gaming habits). i love music, i love movies, i love the internet, so having one console that combines all of that functionality, and is comparable gaming wise to what i'd have to pay $1500 grand to get on my PC and for $500/$600 is a friggin steal for me. my PC is great, but i've already spent at least a grand on it, upgrading the hell out of it, and it plays games like F.E.A.R. and Oblivion at max settings, but even i'm not sure if it'll be able to handle the games of next year. that's why a 360 and PS3 are great to me. i'm edging in the PS3's camp simply because of the additional functionality that doesn't require me to create shelf space for add-ons (and i can also pack up the PS2, as the PS3 is nearly full backwards compatible. i'd still have to have my X Box hooked up if i wanted to play some of my X Box games, so that's no fun). it just amazes me that all of this negative Sony ***** happened simply because of the price. if the PS3 had been announced for $300/$400, people would have been creaming their pants, and Sony would "pwn" everything and everyone. add an additional $100/$200 and you get pandemonium. incredible.

all fanboys are the same

all fanboys are the same. X Box fans and Sony fans and possibly Nintendo fans (i'm not sure about them, they can be a little...extreme, sometimes). but generally, a fanboy is a fanboy, they just wave different flags. but they all have the same atributes.

Cough

3000$ only if you WANT HD. You can still use non HD. Also add 3000$ to the XBOX 360 and thankyou very much i got my HD 1200$. So you still dont get HD cables with the XBOX and even if you have them you dont have an HDDVD player to use with anyway.

Cough More

Who said we want Sony official cables? I sure as hell dont want Microsoft official stuff after all of their fiasco's. Ill be happy with my 3.3 foot HDMI with 24k gold plated for 14.99$ and if i want it longer 6.6ft for 18.99$ and even longer if I want

really?

You can't use quotes unless what you say is word for word on the original document. If what you are saying is true, that means the Wii is unplayable because the "required parts" are "N/A". You are being a dumbass. this is like burger king having a double quarter pounder and mcdonalds only having a quarter pounder with an option for a second meat patty. If burger king pointed out that with the second patty the mcdonalds burger is a dollar more, could they sue. that is what sony is saying, If you want everything that the PS3 offers from a XBox 360 it will cost you more. Nowhere does it say "in order to play an Xbox 360." These "extras" are required to bring your 360 to PS3 level - is that simple enough for you. I find it funny that people buy a "next-gen" system with no intentions of getting or using any next-gen features, except graphics. No HDTV, No HD, wired controllers, paying extra to play your games online (weekends are free though), no next-gen dvd. Wow Xboys are really on the cutting edge of technology.

That's not fair!!!

Those bastards at Sony will never quit. Don't worry that our system can't compete, it came out first. That's all that matters right. I mean damn, "throw a dog a bone..." right. We are giving you a choice: incomplete system, or over-priced system. Either way it's your choice. You're Welcome, Bill Gates P.S. - I'm glad they didn't compare the 360 to the premium PS3, they would have had to add the memory card reader and wifi adapter. Now that would have made me cry.

lol also

>"1.) what does disc transfer speed have to do with anything that i said about the HD DVD add on?" It has everything to do with what you've said. You said you wouldn't be surprised if MS went back on their claim that HD-DVD add-on wouldn't be used for games. However, for this to happen, HD-DVD has to be suitable for games FIRST, and with a transfer speed 1/3rd of the DVD drive in the 360, it is NOT suitable at all, it is far too slow. FACT! It's fine for movies, not fine for games. Everytime this issue comes up, gamers like yourself can ONLY see the capacity side of the HD-DVD/Blu-ray debate, and yet that is only half the story when it comes to optical disk usage in games. >"you can't defend the 1080p argument. Microsoft is quoted saying that 1080p wasn't necessary, and that we would never see 1080p games this generation" BS! No really it is! Go find the quote and post it here. No excuses now, go find where MS (not a website or blogger) said we will never see 1080p games this generation. MS played down the importance of 1080p being as important as Sony suggested for next-gen gaming, saying 720p was really the "sweet-spot", and the recent news about Resistance (down to 720p), shows that 720p is perfectly fine for next-gen gaming. And of course they would play down the capabilities of the PS3, just as Sony do the 360, but that doesn't change the fact that MS never said what you claim. The problem with gamers like you Figboy is that you can't seperate BS coming from gamers on forums like this from the real facts. So I repeat, provide those comments from MS about no 1080p this GENERATION. >"but that doesn't stop MS from playing dirty. downplaying it's competition's boasting (which is equally absurd), but struggling to keep up regardless by adding superflous add-ons that could have been added to the unit in the first place, had they not rushed the 360 to market simply to gain market share." Such as? I hope you're not referring to the HD-DVD drive because I've already explained to you why it would NOT have been suitable for games (even today, no HD-DVD 2x drives are available to consumers... yet). Hence MS had no choice but to use DVD, and therefore design the 360 to get as much out of DVD as possible. Of course, Sony's Blu-ray was never an option. >"as for the implication that i'm one of those folks that blindly jump to Sony's defense at every possible moment: think what you want about me, i don't care." I know so because I remember you here telling some other guy that you defend Sony because you feel all the criticisms and rumours are unfair, and therefore you feel to have to defend them. You even said you would do this for Nintendo or Microsoft if the same happened to them (yeah sure, I bet you jumped to MS's defence against Ken's XBox 1.5 comment and other similar remarks). So yes, by your own words, you ARE one of those guys. >"i'm going to enjoy whatever game console(s) i find suits my lifestyle, and has the games i want to play. end of story. " Good for you (and I mean it), and I'm going to do the same, but I still find your blind defence of Sony ALL THE TIME here as a bit, well a bit, obnoxious. Sorry, but that's how I feel (nothing personal).

And if you're wondering...

...Yes, I'm in a bad mood today. >:( :| :)

bash sony?

Sure they have "there's no way that can come out for less than $1,000", they even are telling people to buy the Wii, because they fear the PS3. M$ even said that sony could not get games to run at 1080p and 60fps. Now if postering about a system you are not working on, well before specs are released, I would say they were going out of their way to bash sony. besides they compared it to the core PS3, which dosen't have "all the features that a home entertainment buff would like." that would be the premium PS3 with the card reader and Wifi, you would need add-ons to make the premium 360 match-up with the premium PS3. Even with the "best lawyers", they CAN'T win this case. But at least they are proving that they are as blind as the Xboys when it comes to the shortfalls of the 360.

R4P3

Apparently you don't know how to read Alti. I said they don't know the difference between what is required and what isn't. I guess you don't know either. HD-DVD is optional and not needed to play games. There are OTHER wifi adapters besides the microsoft one that are much cheaper. Not to mention most people favor wired connections if it's possible with their setup. God forbid if companies offer different accessories with their console for different prices. You fanboys trying to justify the PS3 price make me sick. It's cool if you want it for its exclusives and the like. But when you have to constantly justify the price to yourself, it's probably not worth it. If you want to settle for an overpriced console, then so be it, but don't preech a defense for something you've never even played before, that has a price at least 1.5 times as high and extremely similar capabilities to its competition. Okay? Great.

rediculous

Sony is so desprete as to put a fact sheet up and all they did is dig their grave even deeper. Sure some of the information is true and some isn't like the Wii info but they should resort to putting down the comeptition in order to make a stupid point.

Anxious

Scared, no. Anxious, yes (although that's not the best word). There's a difference. And why wouldn't they be anxious? PS2 totally dominated the current generation, and obviously MS is looking for profit - which won't come if Sony repeats their current generation performance.

What legal grounds are Microsoft Suing on...?

Microsoft are a balls of a company. I can't see why they are suing over something so petty which afterall, only tells the truth...

I agree, I have a shorter post at the bottom (atm) which says basically the same stuff

^

Except this hasn't been confirmed...

...and neither has the claim that Nintendo are going to sue over the same fact sheet; http://ps3.qj.net/Lawsuit-season-2-Nintendo-looking-into-suing-Sony-too-/pg/49/aid/70395 So at least keep that in mind. And it doesn't tell the truth, it distorts it. :| BTW, I'm sure if it was MS instead of Sony, you and others here would be all over MS, dragging up every thing they've done (or suppose to have done) in the past and typing out 3000 word essays on why it's yet another reason to hate MS.

Where's the full article???

Does anybody know where I can see a full copy? Just from what I've read here, that could be interpreted as simply core console comparisons and what it would cost to upgrade enough to have the same features. If that's the case then, Microsoft doesn't have one (a case). That's the way business works, you get ahead by putting your competition down and twisting the truth. And if the comparison is based off of core systems only, then Sony is only telling the truth. Not the whole truth like everyone is complaining about, but it is still true. Sure if they had also included the $499 model it would have came off as the best choice but this is Sony marketing, not Microsoft.

What's up with this page setup?

It's not that big a deal, I just didn't realize this topic had a second page.

Random Guy

By some guy named Alti first of all: spell check. second of all: re-read what you write. 3rd: the ps3 is $600. kthnxbye. -- Why bother putting effort into a site I'm not registed to 698 + tax dumbass...

This is utterly stupid.

Absolutely none of this matters, and I will tell you why. The Wii will pwn both MS and Sony. BwhaHAHahaHAHAhahAhAHAhAHahaha!!!

Petty

Petty

Liers

yah i know this is a sorta dumb thing to argue about but sony is kinda directly atacking M$ and they are being stupid too. 1st if you wanted a Hard Drive and wireless controller you would buy the $400 version so then they should show it as $100 for the HD and $50 for the wireless controller. Also the XBL thing, if they did use the $400 as an example than they should show the free 30 days because they did that with the wii. So i hope sony does get get sued cause they are being plan dumb and deceitful. But i also see the point where they would use the 2core versions against each other, but also y didn't sony just compare the two 20 gig versions against each other?