ms never said that ps3 won't have 1080p games they just said none will come out till after 07 or so. So the real question is when is lair coming out? Not for a long time I'm sure

I hope this game is 1080p just so it can shut MS *****ing mouthe. Also it seems like a lot of the games coming out for PS3 are going to be utilizing the tilt function which im very glad to see.

This thread is full of little kids licking their tongues out at MS.

---"Anyone who says 1080p isnt much different then 1080i needs to have their eyes checked."



There have been numerous articles comparing the two, and they often arrive at the same conclusion;



eg. http://blog.hometheatermag.com/geoffreymorrison/0807061080iv1080p/



Although he does add for gaming;



"The only time you would see a difference is if you have native 1080p/60 content"



So 1080p/60 on the PS3 with graphics as good as PS3 games at 720p/60? I doubt it.



I agree with what someone wrote on another thread. If a dev has a game pushing the PS3 to the limits whilst running at 720p/60, they may still offer 1080p/30 with similar graphics (only slighly more pixels per second required). But if they offer an option for double that framerate at 1080p/60, then the graphics will have to be toned down somewhere to meet that resolution and framerate.



So 1080p/60 will be very VERY rare. But 1080p/30 could happen, but on a good TV that de-interlaces 1080i properly, it wouldn't look any better than 1080i/30.



In otherwords, for 1080p to look better than 1080i, it needs to be running at 60fps.

developers may not use the 1080p in the ps3 but its an option that they have. If they just want to make an average game then they can just do the 720 thing. but if they want to push the limits of the ps3 and see what they can do and put out a kick-a.s.s game then they can do that. they have all the memory that they need with the blue-ray disks and they game all the graphics and processing power they need. I think that sony is like an art teacher. they supply all the paint you need, now lets see what you can do.

--"Hopw much brain does it take to understand that.."



Go and do some research on de-interlacing video.



eg. http://www.videsignline.com/showArticle.jhtml?printableArticle=true&articleId=175006013



http://www.digitaltvdesignline.com/howto/171202096



In particular, look up "Motion Adaptive De-interlacing" for articles and TVs on the internet.



When (or should I say IF) you're capable of understanding it, then come back and talk about. :|



As you should notice, it confirms what I said above, for TVs that de-interlace properly (i.e. one that offers good quality de-interacing with features such as Motion Adaptive De-interlacing).

I forgot to include a link which explains Motion adaptive de-interlacing in #18, so here it is;



http://www.digital-rapids.com/Products_DemoRoom.html

>>>"But on the PS3, a machine 2x to 4x more powerful than the 360, of course it's possible."



Some fanboys are not only ignorant, they seem to be PROUD to be ignorant.



The PS3 is slightly more powerful than the 360. 1080p for Lair is currently just a rumour. 1080p for MGS4 is currently just a rumour. And are we talking about 30fps or 60fps? And MS didn't say it was impossible, they said you wouldn't see it on the PS3 this year.

---"High definition broadcasts for example support up to 1080i, not 1080p, therefore companies like Sony, Toshiba, Panasonic etc have ALL developed technologies to make the interlaced image of 1080i look as good as possible, with techniques like adaptive motion de-interlacing (just like deejay says)."



Exactly, thanks for that.



The reaction to my comment about 1080i shows just how narrow minded some gamers are, especially KnowLedge who shows complete ignorance on the subject of de-interlacing, with a reaction which seems to be based on the fact that the 360 offers up to 1080i (therefore it must suck compared to 1080p *roll eyes*).



There's a lot of information about de-interlacing techniques on the net, and sites dedicated to high tech movie hardware often have discussions on the subject.



As you mentioned, de-interlacing and other techniques for improving picture quality is an important area for compaines like Sony, Toshiba and others. For example, TruD is one of a number of emerging technologies;



http://www.digitaltvdesignline.com/howto/showArticle.jhtml?articleId=180204796&pgno=2



http://www.micronas.com./products/trud/index.html?backurl=%2Fhome%2Findex.html



http://www.micronas.com/pressroom/press_releases/articles/0607/index.html?newslang=1



I'll stop now because this is going way off topic. :)