Koller: No more backwards compatibility for PS3 |
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The issue of backwards compatibility on the PS3 console is dead and buried, as far as John Koller is concerned. SCEA's director of hardware marketing recently nailed down the final coffin on the issue in an interview with Ars Technica.
"It's not coming back, so let me put that on the table," said Koller when asked about backwards compatibility. He also added that despite what people may think, backwards compatibility isn't really that big of a draw for the PS3.
"It's not as big as a purchase intent driver as you may be hearing," he claimed. "We've got such a substantial lineup of titles on the PS3; most people are buying the PS3 for PS3 games. They're buying it for PS3 games and Blu-ray movies."
There you have it, folks. Too bad for those who were desperate to have the feature reimplemented. Keep in mind though that while disc-based emulation may not be coming back,this doesn't close the door on the possibility that Sony will make PS2 games available for download via PSN.
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This is gonna make some people mad.
I mean they're probably right about the fact that not alot of people are buying it for the PS2 playback but if it had it wouldn't that add a cool feature to it that appeals to the buys?
"Guess what guys. You can now put away your PS2's and be able to play PS2 games right on your PS3's!"
Imagine if something like the emulator ePSXe for PS1 games was implemented into the PS3. ePSXe bumps up the graphics of the older games because of the smoothing options it has which is a big list of them. It makes older games look great on a PC. So imagine if we had something like it but for PS2 games on the PS3. I have a 60gb and sure it's great to play my PS2 games but I want to feel like I'm still on a PS2. Not on a choppy upscaled screen.
Though if anyones found a way to make the games look better I'm all ears. I don't like the jaggies being obvious while I play my older games.
they even said "there is NO PS3 SLIM" ... and...
It's all about your TV. All my games look amazing, so I guess its your tv?
Who fricken cares already!!!!!
Though I have a BC PS3, and I think I've played a PS2 game on it only a handful of times...Star Wars Battlefront 2.
I been saying from the day they dropped the 60g version Sony is Going to Die off if they keep going this way.
Stop trying to change Something after it's done been made, Or at best Keep making the 60g version.
I know a LOT of people who still play PS2 games (Me as well) For me having the 60g version(with a 120g installed)
I have well over 2,000 types of games i can pick up and play (Not games i own) just saying if i walk into a store i can pick anything i want without going Oooo man my Ps3 can't play Ps2 games....... =(
I really think the Gaming world has lost their minds when it comes to making systems, And it's very sad.
(Sadly the ONLY people that has NOT lost their mind is Nintendo) And i hate the Wii lol
ps.. next thing you know sony takes out video and music playback then say,
"Well people don't want that in a gaming system blah blah blah"
goddamn idiots! that's what they are! "buuh they be buyin' the ps3 fo' ps3 games durrrhurr" yeah, so?? we still wanna play our old games! ***** this ***** -.- does this really mean i have to go buy a damn PS2 just to play GOW2?! argh!!!!!!!!
I understand and agree that people are going to buy a PS3 to play PS3 games, but he of all people should know that the PS2 is still selling as well as the PS3. That means that there are alot of people out there that are still playing PS2 games. And if the PS3 could play PS2 games, that would be one more incentive for them to go out trade in their PS2 and finally upgrade to a PS3, since they would still be able to play the games that they still own and like.
And the fact that Sony is currently releasing PS1 games on PSN and make money on it, should be reason enough to make the PS3 backwards compatible with the PS2. If there was no need to play older games, why is it backwards compatible with the PS1?
I think it will be done eventually, they are probably just tired of people asking about it.
your buying a next gen console to play last gen games? isn't that like buying a gps device to put your paper maps on?
man, people should just STFU about BC on the PS3. you want BC?? get a 20gb or 60gb ps3. not that *****ing hard eh?
we all knew about it and have for the last 2 years.
plus, if you have ps2 games already, i bet the odds are you already have a ps2 too. just saying.
so yea. buy a frakin 60gb and stfu.
just annoyed .02 on it.
as for nintendo. we won't go there
How do you not have a PS2?
All Sony really have to do is release PS2 games on the PSN. 4GB each game isn't that bad on the HDD and it will load faster. Of course they have to sell it at a reasonable price of $9.99 because most of the PS2 games are that cheap now-a-days some even cheaper. MS has the right idea by selling Xbox games on XBL. Of course it's XBL which wrecks PSN in terms of gaming contents.
I'd like to see some of their statistics. When I was getting ready to buy a next gen console, I was torn between the 360 and the PS3. I had already ruled out the Wii. I tried it before and was not impressed. After looking through all the features of both the 360 and the PS3, the deciding factor for me was that the PS3 had backwards compatibility. I didn't own a PS2 so, the PS3 would have much more game options for me than the 360, plus all the other advantages of the PS3. I feel that backwards compatibility is a HUGE draw especially in tough economic times. People want cheaper games and older games are cheaper. So, if you were going to buy a next-gen console, backwards compatibility would be a big factor.
Since the price the PS3 is already at a reasonable price, this is going to be the next reason 360 fanboys are going to use to why they won't get a PS3.
S*** if you don't want to get it then f-ing don't. People who pass up fanboyism and got both systems will enjoy the best of both worlds. Same goes for PS3 fanboys.
personally i think everyone needs to calm down, and i think that a ps3 is made for playing ps3 games if your soo pissed about not being able to play your ps2 games just go and buy a ps2 you can pick em up for as cheap as a ps3 game now anyway.
well since there not going to put it back in then how about this. CHANGE THE FREAKING CONTROLLER DESIGN!!!!!!!!
IF you can't play PS2 games on it what can you play ?
if you like PS2 games you should own a PS2.
Hey.
Anyone in here remember one major reason the PS2 sold so friggin' much? Anyone remember how the PS2 became the Top-Selling System of ALL-TIME, with the friggin' Game Boy Color being in 2nd place?
Oh, it's that BC crap. I mean, COME ON. Everyone bought PS2s at launch because of the fact it played ALL OF THEIR OLD PS1 GAMES as well as DVDs, and they were waiting on the future PS2 titles, not the crappy launch titles.
SONY does a price drop, announces the slim and a new Firmware update, but since that was too much good news for one day, they had to wait a day and tell everyone some garbage news like this.
They don't know how to please everyone.
the reason i would LOVE to be able to play ps2 games is because i have probably 40 to 50 ps2 games and a ps2 that barely plays anything. most of my ps2 games i love and still play(when my ps2 is in a good mood), now am i going to go out and but ANOTHER ps2 when it dies which is very soon?? not hardly, i got my ps3 for 400$ another controller 50$ 2 games 110$ thats just when i got it. now almost 6 months later i got a new HD tv for 500$ so lets add this up. its 1,060$ not counting the other games i got, so now they want me to go out and spend another 99$ for a new ps2? come on Sony help us out sometimes please.
just come up with a ps2 version of remote play? but yeah odds are most people looking to play ps2 games will opt for a 100 dollar ps2 over the tag on the ps3. though the only other reason to get a ps3 would be for linux the drivers are a bit lacking. though the gfx card in the ps3 is somewhat simular to the geforce 9800 gt (at least in gpu core count), but i degrade into a tangent that is neither here nor there.
i just hope they start selling ps2 games on PSN as well..
I was thinking of getting a slim when it came out if they did implement it, but knowing this, it means I have to keep so many consoles plugged in, and there's so little variety to the types of games on the PS3, I won't be bothering, for now at least.
if you ps2 wont play anything did you ever clean the lens or take it apart and get all of the dust out?
your ps2 cant read the disc if its blind.
http://www.qj.net/Rumor-Belzar-a-full-pledge-direct-boot-PS3-modchip-incoming-/pg/49/aid/134009
no. ps2 looked the best and that's why. not because it played ps1 games, but because it had better graphics than anything out and the popularity of the playstation brand.
also, they got rid of bc because it made the ps3 cheaper to make and to sell
no one is forcing you to buy *****. if you can't afford it, dont buy it.
Marvel vs Capcom2 a ps2 game had no problem running on the ps3 if sony wanted it to work its as easy as lighting up a cigarette and taking a puff..........those PS2 cry baby should really STFU if they wanted backward compatibility that bad they had so many opportunities to buy a PS3 with it
dude get out of here with that *****. ps3 has already proven it's got the goods. and sorry to break it it too you, the new slim version does not have a linux option. pay attention
all my ps2 games look great on my 60 gig ps3.......a new tv would solve the problem
i dont know if you guys heard but rumors have it that the best way to play ps2 games in on a ps2.
or trying to agitate people........he must be a xbox fanboy if he is this ignorat
but i hate the fact when your running surround sound system you dont have more than one of those Digital Out (Optical) ports on my amp so i seriously cbf replugging them from ps2 to ps3 but lucky i have the launch ps3 so far havent ran into trouble with ps2 games
Get real, kid. The Dreamcast came out before the PS2 and had the same graphical capabilities, if not a bit better than the PS2's. Anything you saw on PS2 was possible on Dreamcast.
People had a choice, and they picked PS2 over the Dreamcast, and N64, and later, the Xbox and Gamecube.
They got rid of BC because their marketing team(s) are idiots, that's why. It's their fault the PS3 was so expensive to make, and they break even now so they can put out the slim. Phil Harrison said BC was 100% necessary. If he was still with Sony, all PS3's would still have BC.
"They're buying it for PS3 games and Blu-ray movies."
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA , AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA!
NO!
***** you Sony, you just don't get what we want right. My PS3 would get hours of more play time if I could play PS2 games on it. I haven't touched a game on there since LittleBigPlanet .
I got an 80g And it plays all my old PS2 games, and I download all my BluRay movies for free so Up yours Sony
Before anyone gets all techy its the 80g from Launch ok..........sheeeeesh!!!
Soon after announcing th@ the PS3 is gonna finally get it's price cut, they go and say they are gonna cancel backwards compatability with the ps3. This probrably made most of their customers turn away and change their minds about getting one. There are bigger reasons Y they took that feature out though. Read th@ Related articles link below the main article. There are still 80 gig ps3 consoles th@ you can find with full backwards compatability but get em quick.
nothing wrong with the controller it has become the standard for the last 12 years
That BC crap was there on the ps3 and no one bought it back when the ps3 was $999 Aus i got mine for the same price as a 40g i am sure we it got out that sony was phasing out BC if people wanted it they would of bought it when sony was selling ps3s at a loss
so when we, those with BC got our consoles it cost some $1000 australian i got mine for the same price as you but i got three games for free
really? are you seriously doing this right now?
numbers: 75 million polygons vs 3 million polygons
you do the math...
reasons why people chose ps2 over dreamcast:
1. looked better
2. popularity of ps1
3. not just backwards compatibility
now that's out of the way......
one of reasons why the first ps3 model cost so much was because of backwards compatibility. on top of all the new ***** that came with the ps3 it also had old ps2 hardware such as the EE chip. so when decided that the newer models would use software emulation to play the ps2 games, guess what? THE PS3 ALSO GOT CHEAPER! YAY! AND NOW THEY GOT RID OF MORE HARDWARE AND NOW IT'S EVEN CHEAPER THAN IT WAS! DOUBLE YAY!
gtfo you hoe
"i am sure it got out that sony was phasing out BC if people wanted it they would of bought it when sony was selling ps3s at a loss"
you bought a ps3 not to play ps3 games or watch blu-ray movies...
playstation controllers rule
aussie and european models NEVER had EE
you fail
So, Sony thinks that I should just take my huge pile of PS1 and PS2 games and use them as frisbees? Well, at least I got one of the GOOD backwards compatible PS3's, but sadly its the 80GB (not the 60GB). The difference is the 80GB uses software instead of hardware to emulate, and thus the 80GB has problems playing some games. And, it looks like Sony wont be fixing any of those problems. Nice job there Sony, your beginning to look just like Microsoft... Maybe next gen I'll buy a Nintendo console, at least they (somewhat) understand backwards compatibility (now if only you could use the Wii classic controller to play GC games...)
they just lost a customer. I was going to buy the lowest HDD ps3 slim and swap out the HD with a 2TB. Now with this announcement I'm not going to bother.
yeah but they had the GS which emulated the ps2. I WIN!!
This is a non issue no matter how much people might think backwards compatibility is a selling point the reality of it is the majority of gamers don't care. Its just a nice little perk you can say you have. If you play PS2 games on your PS3 fine but I can not understand the point of complaining when you already have a PS3. It doesn't make the console less appealing, seriously if you want a system to play your PS2 games buy a PS2 if you want to play PS3 games buy a PS3. Backward compatibility is like extra pockets on pants. Useful if you have it not a big deal if you don't. People need to get over it.
Everyone and their grandmother owns a PS2. If the reason you aren't getting it is waiting for full backward compatibility again, just buy a cheap model and a PS2 for the same price as a more expensive model and install a larger HDD if that's your kinda thing. If you have an external HDD (formatted in FAT32) lying around even that's pointless.
Hes the lowest on the chain, so when he says there wont be PS2 BC, there actually will be in FW, he did this with previous rumors and such.
Reasons hes saying theres not gonna be PS2 BC ever again is cause hes so pissed off about Sony leaking everything over the interent to get there information across the world.
You should realize, hes the only Sony employees whose angry about the leaks as you can tell from his chat with Ars Technica so many months ago AKA I wish there was a world without leaks.
Hes just angry that Sony lets out PSP GO! anything PSP/ PS3 related because he never has a say so about it.
He really does not have a say so in what Sony can and cannot do and when he tries, they just ignore him, hes really angry at Sony.
Hes saying there wont be PS2 BC ever again because he doesnt have a say so in the matter.
Sony will likely put PS2 BC back in through FW like what the patent says, Sony purposely leaked that out, so that people know that PS2 BC will be back in.
John Koller is just trying to shut everything up, so that no one talks about it again.
Hes the only one angry about the leaks.
PSP GO!/ PS3 SLIM was leaked purposely by Sony corporation to get people hyped up but John did not want that.
Oh trust me, if youve seen as many leaks from Sony as I have, that PS2 BC or whatever that patent thing is, is pretty much true, Sony is getting ready to put PS2 BC back ib, Johnny just doesnt want anyone to know.
Sonys been purposely leaking out info since PS2 era, this stuff isnt old.
Some people just havent really seen through Sonys way.
This is a pure and simple marketing decision. There are less than 1% of people like Charlybob above that care about BC. And frankly Sony doesn't give a rat's ass if they don't buy a ps3.
So it all comes down to this. Implement BC to make 1% of the public happy or save millions. The choice is obvious.
There isn't a ps3 slim. Go to the stores and buy me one if there is. At the time there wasn't a ps3 slim, they were still in production.
I DONT THINK SO...LOOK HOW LONG THEY LAGGED WITH MARVEL VS CAPCOM 2 FOR PSN..AHAHA IT WOULD TAKE THEM 50 YEARS TO PUT ALL THE PS2 GAMES ON PSN IF THEY WORK THAT SLOW AGAIN
I still had my PS2 when i brought my PS3, and shortly after gave it away cause I knew the PS3 I was getting played PS2 games, this is not a good move by Sony, this is the one thing that sat the apart from Microsoft (Not turning there back on there last Gen system), and no there looking more and more like Microsoft. Way to go Sony, Im just glad I got mine in time.
mainly socom II, also some GT4. People buy the PS3 to have a system that does more then its competitor now there is no backwards compatibility means that Xbox 360 is closer to having more features which is sad. its the same with the ps2.
I bought a PS2 to play my PS1 games so I sold my PS1 I bought a PS3 to play my PS2 games and movies not blu-ray "Too over priced" and some PS3 since there aren't very many there were 3 when I first got my PS3.
So for the flamers out there chill out.
He's lying. It's that simple. He's director of hardware MARKETING! It's in his best interests to prove to the world that BC isn't coming back, so people buy current PS3s, rather than holding out for a BC compatible one. Also, it's so they'll buy PS2s, which they're still manufacturing and selling.
Really? People are buying PS3s for PS3 games and movies? When that's all they can do? People aren't buying them for PS2 games because they AREN'T COMPATIBLE WITH THEM. Of course people are buying for PS3 games -.-
You mark my words. When Sony stops selling the PS2, we'll get backwards compatibility. Why wouldn't we? Just like they wouldn't introduce BC when the PS2 is still selling, they've got no reason to hold back on it when the PS2 dies off. People want it, they'll give it to them. When it's financially logical.
Seriously, there are people that are whinging that there is no BC for a console thats been out for at least two years? As people have already said here, if you're looking for a reason not to buy one, then just don't!
I have two ps3's, one launch and one 40gig, and I have maybe used the launch console for playing ps2 games twice!
The Backcatalogue on the ps3 is now big enough to sustain itself and tbh can't see why you guys are being skinflints when games are down in price with the platinium/older games now in place!
do what i did, keep your ps2's as well, I'm currently using it upstairs as a DVD player!
You didn't "win" anything except NarooN's Commoner of August 2009 award. No one knew anything about the specs of the consoles back then besides the fact that they both looked good. You ain't gettin' anywhere by using cop-outs like that, kid.
The PS1 was very popular, still is, and I *never* said BC was the sole reason why PS2 was purchased. It was a BIG reason why it was purchased, because no one gave a damn about the garbage launch titles.
No, the PS2 *didn't* look better than the Dreamcast. If you ever looked at video/image comparisons for games released on both systems, you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference.
The only advantage PS2 had over DC was the DVD-ROM format, since DC used CD-ROMs and that over special CD type that could hold like 1.2 gb or something.
And to the other commoner, it's your fault for living in Australia; no one cares about you guys. You live on a friggin island that began as a bunch of prisoners deported from Europe.
You two kids just ignored the fact that PS3s still sold a lot when they had BC, the reason no one bought them as much WAS THE PRICE, no one sat there and was like "Oh, it has BC, something I don't want, SO I WON'T BUY IT".
Friggin kids, start eating your breakfast, stay in school, and eat all your drugs.
Are you this stupid?
Marvel vs. Capcom 2 didn't originally release on PS2, it was ported over to that system from the Dreamcast and Arcade. Also, the version on PSN is based on the DC version.
Also, Capcom didn't develop every PS2 title. Get out of my topic, commoner.
PS2's are going to be sold for quite some time. Look how long it took them to quit manufacturing PS1, and I still find new units every now and then at toys r us and walmarts.
Its not like they wont offer a downloadable solution in the future, if not PS3, PS4. Besides, those games are going to run better on the console it was designed for anyway.
So like everyone else is saying, its not really pissing many people off. You are buying a PS3 for its features and its games. If you buy a PS3 to mainly play PS2 games, then there is something wrong with you, LoL.
The reason there's no BC is because the PS2 is still relevant in the market. If you think about it Sony's marketing is smart. For those fools who ended up buying their PS3s to play PS2 games, what reason would anyone have to spend $150 (back then) on a PS2 if they could already play those games on their PS3? They lose a sale on a PSTwo. How else would any company wisely have two home consoles out on a market? Would you discontinue the most successful gaming system in history? If you look at the marketing right now, this is obviously the case: Sony is still trying to keep the PS2 relevant in the industry and now at $99 its much more easily affordable. The PS2 is doing its job and keeping Sony competitive against Nintendo and Microsoft.
So many people act like BC isnt that big of a deal. Fact is, any feature that has been removed will be downplayed as "no big deal", but honestly IMO, having ONE console that plays it all is a very nice feature. Its nice to know that I dont have to spend all that $$$ on a new guitar hero because my PS3 is able to play it. (I have a 60gb model, and I love it). Not to mention, their are titles still fun to play on the PS2 console (I love GoW, or GoW 2)
specs are like the first thing they release you dolt. based on the demos of the ps2 it was a clear indication that the ps2 had the better graphics. so comments like "The Dreamcast came out before the PS2 and had the same graphical capabilities, if not a bit better than the PS2's" are completely idiotic. the graphics and popularity of the brand is why ps2 sold better, having backwards compatibility was a bonus.
another stupid comment:
"And to the other commoner, it's your fault for living in Australia; no one cares about you guys. You live on a friggin island that began as a bunch of prisoners deported from Europe. "
you're just chalk full of them aren't you? i guess i better not mention my ethnicity...
and i think you might have ignored the fact the ps3 was actually not selling well and was pretty much a joke to gamers and analysts alike. and again, backwards compatibility, a bonus
go back to school and pay attention this time.kthxbi
the xbox360 can play xbox games...
I buy a PS2 to play PS2 games but then a PS3 comes out but I wan't to keep my collection of PS2 games able to play with out a mess of consoles taking up space. Later Sony makes them downloadable for repurchase. That would piss me off, but what am I to do to make my collection active? Then PS4 comes out. Now the PS3 games won't play in the PS4, but then Sony makes the PS3 games available for download for a purchase price again. The PS5 comes out.....
You see where this is going? I want to keep my games active if need be. I want to let future family and friends have the opportunity to witness these masterpieces without paying for them twice.
All my PS2 games look better on my PS3 with the upscale options.
How many times has Sony denied a rumor to see it come true later on?
They did this for a lot of E3 rumors that were known.
No he's a PS2 fanboy
not trying to start an arguement but xbox 360 IS backwards compatible
that we WILL be getting Backwards compatibility back for the PS3. They denied that there wont be a new model for the PS3, and they even denied that there wont be a price cut, and both of them are announced. so, if sony says "NO" to something, its going to happen for sure.
sony were losing money on sales in america
australians paid $1000 per console on release
you cant tell me sony were losing money on australian sales
i cant see how the GS can be seen as an expensive part nowadays
are sony losing money on the ps2 because of this Graphics Synthesizer chip, i'd hate to think so
I know from a general point that we would all love to see all models of the ps3 with BC, but if I was the CEO of sony i would take out BC as well. Simply because the ps2 console itself is STILL providing cash money for sony. Its all about the money, why would sony put BC in the ps3 knowing that they can lose money with the ps2 console. I know i wouldn't make that move
I know from a general point that we would all love to see all models of the ps3 with BC, but if I was the CEO of sony i would take out BC as well. Simply because the ps2 console itself is STILL providing cash money for sony. Its all about the money, why would sony put BC in the ps3 knowing that they can lose money with the ps2 console. I know i wouldn't make that move
well, it's pretty a give fact that you guys paid more for your ps3, i dont know if that would be enough for them to make a profit, maybe? i do know that they were losing about $200 per system.
anyway, it's not that the EE or GS alone was why sony was losing money on each sale. i'm just stating that, it is one of the factors why the ps3 cost what it did. however, that fact that they did have another piece of hardware indicates that they would somehow have to cover costs in it's inclusion. so now that they dont have another piece of hardware in it, they dont have to cover that little extra making it a little less expensive to make and a little less expensive to purchase.
truk i have seen a lot of your comments and you never make a valid point.
1. The PS3's BC was and Still is One of it's Best Features.
2. Sony them self at the start was Advertising It is one of the MAIN selling points to getting the PS3.
3. Many people who gotten the PS3 with BC (mainly 60gig versions) Sold or put away there PS2's to save space as the PS3 done the Job and even done it better.
4. to argue Over something like this makes for nothing more then E-Drama, But facts are facts and people do and still want there PS2 games without having to plugin yet another system to have it.
But i am sure you'll find something to argue about over this as that's what you do and that's all you do is argue about other people's thoughts and never give any of your own.
truk did have a valid point
from Mii-GZ "this is not a good move by Sony, this is the one thing that sat the apart from Microsoft (Not turning there back on there last Gen system)"
he was saying his does play xbox games as does mine and so should all 360 consoles that have had the BC update installed in the 360 without it crashing.
i'm spewing i had other financial commitments when the PS3 had BC here in Australia but i'll get one eventually.
at EBgames you can get the 80GB phat model for $499
the slim for $499
80GB preowned for $469
40GB preowned for $439
and BC 60GB preowned for $699
www.ebgames.com.au
"I have two ps3's, one launch and one 40gig, and I have maybe used the launch console for playing ps2 games twice!"
typical arrogance
i dont use it so you shouldnt need to
NOT EVERYONES GAMING HABITS ARE THE SAME AS YOURS ARSEHOLE!!!!