MGS4 was "only possible on PS3".

Anyone see the hippocracy of saying that and then making a spin-off that will be "graphically superior" but also on the Xbox 360.



They really need to just admit that MGS is possible on any system with enough memory and storage. And just admit that it was their choice to make MGS4 exclusive and not multi-platform. I have MGS4 and I hardly think the graphics are that amazing. The particle effects and amount of action on screen is rather impressive though.



Here's to hoping MGS fans on any system can one enjoy the whole series.

"The entire team is serious about making it look as good as possible on every platform."



That sentence is very vague. We don't know if one version is superior to the other. The PS3 will probably be better and without the changing of discs. Blu-ray can make one hell of a difference. I think MS just picked the wrong disc format. Hardware it can probably handle MGS4 like Dremth mentioned.

It will be interesting to see if they keep it to one dvd, or make it multiple discs. That will say if they are actually maxing it out more than MGS4 (content wise) or just making a game that will work on both systems.

Saying that it'll look better is a big inference.

Making it look as good as possible could be detail, draw distance, etc. and not the overall graphics.

btw, i was talking about the laggy/glitchy Xbox port

just so that it can work with the xbox, meaning if they didnt or if they improved on it like capcom did in upgrading their engine from 1.5 to 2.0 for Lost Planet.....there would be no way mgs rising will work work for the xbox if they didnt....thus no longer optimize for PS3 or optimize to be as best it can be

ever since the whole website with the random thunder and E3 message thing, I wa swondering about Raiden's eyes..they dont look normal at all.

He never had Orange eyes.

Clone?

You're crazy lol, what does MS have to do with RE5? RE4 is not on any MS console, and it's where RE completely changed. RE4 and 5 are awesome games btw, not sure how you figured they "screwed everything up"



I'd also like you to explain to me how an MGS game on Xbox is "the downfall of the series", but something like an MGS card game for PSP is fine...

Glad to see people can discuss MGS without going into "fanboy-mode".



And I agree with Dremth, it was not pure graphics that made MGS4 exclusive to PS3, but rather the disc space.

SILENCE YOU!!

Kojima Productions making brand-new engine for MGS: Rising, game will be graphically superior to MGS4. then It will have to have bigger storage and since blu ray can hold up to 50gigs and MGS4 was almost that amount then this game is going to be bigger unless then dumb down the story so its shorter i can see this being more then 4 disc on 360. I love my PS3 ha

It's multi-platform because platform exclusives cost too much produce, and rarely make back their production budget.





Space wise a lot of 360 games are only truly massive because of the language support (In fact, every game I can think of thats like 3 or so discs has like 5 languages on the disk for no apparent reason. Do I really need portugese on my lost odyssey? Probably not.)



Textures and the like can be compressed and uncompressed quite rapidly, and in all honesty dont take up some gigantic chunk of space as some people seem to think.



In the end, I know the 360 could have ran MGS4. Simply because the system specs clearly show it could.



Can they do better? I dont doubt they can. In the end, I think the PS3 version may suffer because of it though. Not because they have to 'dumb it down', quite to the contrary. It's more because they have to spend so much extra time and effort to perform the same functions on the PS3 as they can easily perform on a PC/360.



When it comes down to it, that is the flaw in all multi-platform releases. Every platform but the PS3 use a similar architecture, thus developers have more time to optimize and work on small tweaks like AA and whatnot, while the PS3 will not make as much progress given the same amount of development time. (Which, if they put parity into the equation, means both versions should be getting equal development time.)



It sucks, but thats something Sony had to be aware of when building their system.



In the end, I dont think MGS: Rising will fall to this pitfall, if only because Konami has had a lot of time to 'figure out' the PS3 while working on MGS4. Without needing that extra time to get the architecure right, I think all versions of this should look similarly spectacular.



Also, I never saw a problem with disk swapping. Maybe I'm just old school. Back in my day, you needed 6 floppies to play through a game! Why, my commodore64 had a tape drive that required multiple tapes just to run a word processor! ..Gahaha, kids these days, so lazy.

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It might have better graphics...but what about sound, length, dialogue, cut scenes? I dont think that will be bigger...MGS4 did not had the best graphics whne it came out anyway

that the sheer number of thing going on at the same time might have had something to do with it too. It was probably programed to use the cell to have so many moving parts at the same time. You might have to tone back on the particle effects or some other elements to get the game to run smooth. Aparently something Kojima was not willing to do.

they just wont make a whole CG movie to go with the game played sporadically while you play. lol. Loved the CG film intertwined with MGS4 btw. I play games for the story, ad t hat definitely helped with the emotional tie to the characters.

Rising is nothing more than a side-game, it's not even considered a main entry in the series, unlike Peace Walker.



The whole "PS3 is too hard to code for" thing is redundant and no excuse. Devs said the same thing about PS2, and what happened later? PS2 won the console war, and single-handedly, without PSP or PS2, annihilated Xbox and Gamecube. I don't need sources, just look it up. PS2 is still currently the number one best-selling console of all time, with the Game Boy Color in 2nd place.



I'm pretty sure Konami has the PS3's architecture down and have had it down for some great deal of time. It's 2009, not 2007, I only hear Valve crying about the architecture now.



That's why if you're gonna do multi-plat, and the PS3 just happens to be a platform you're gonna do, you develop on PS3 first, *then* go to the other, easier platforms. It makes sense, saves times, and virtually eliminates *****ing.



And disk-swapping won't work with the PS3 anyway. Any time you remove a PS3 disc while the game is running, it automatically quits back to the XMB. I'm sure this was done on purpose because SCEI didn't think anyone would need more than 50gb. MGS4 wouldn't have taken up 50gb alone if it weren't for Metal Gear Online being on the same disc, but of courser everyone seems to forget to mention that.



Rising won't be nearly as long as MGS4. It's gonna be an action game, and Kojima isn't involved with it; his younger team is doing it.



In the end, it's gonna sell decent enough simply because it's called Metal Gear Solid. The same thing applies with Halo and Call of Duty... They can release Call of Duty: A Nation Divided, a game based on the US Civil War, and it'd sell enough. That's just how it is.

I dont see where it says it will be superior, the say the "project is as big as MGS4 and that the team is serious about making it look good"...does any developer makes games to see what it comes out of it?