This just in:



Nobody gives a $hit what you just said.

THIS JUST IN!



Bioware says they're barely fitting Mass Effect on a DVD9



Rockstar is says they have been having issues fitting GTAIV on a DVD9



Ubisoft Montreal says they are having trouble getting Assassin's Creed on a DVD9



the issue with DVD space isn't just a selling point for Sony, it is the truth.



looking at the history of gaming, *EVERY GENERATION of consoles has had, and benefited from a larger disc space.



games like GTA 3 would not have been possible on a standard CD, or a cartridge, or a floppy disc.



close-minded people like you just don't understand the importance storage capacity has on gaming.



what you need to realize, is that gaming is *NOT just one aspect, but a *SUM of a bunch of aspects.



graphics, gameplay, ai, physics, storage capacity *ALL work together to create a singular gaming experience.



for some games, yes, a 25/50gig Blu Ray are not necessary, but for other games, it *WILL BE. that's just the nature of the beast, and our industry.



a developer would prefer to have, and not need, than to need, and not have. it's simply common logic.



would you rather have too little food to eat, or too much?



would you rather have one blanket, or three or four? what happens if it snows outside and temperatures drop? four blankets would be much more effective than one, correct?



as a game developer, they'd much rather have the room to fit their content on, than too little. it doesn't make them lazy, or uncreative, or stupid, because they can't or won't compress the hell out of it. has it ever occurred to you that maybe the only reasons why developers compressed in the first place is because they *HAD TO?



have you played the Ratchet and Clank demo? (i'm assuming you have a Playstation 3, otherwise, *WHY would you come to the Playstation 3 section of the site to complain if you don't have one first hand and can make accurate assumptions about the machine?)



Insomniac has stated that they use quite a bit of compression on the game, and yet it's still taking up roughly 20gigs of space. if you've seen the game running, and especially on an HDTV (i have a 40" LCD 720p Samsung), you'd be hard pressed to say the game isn't using amazingly high rez textures in practically *EVERYTHING. even the leaves on the plants have veins and other details on them.



the point i'm trying to make, is that developers are using that space.



i guarantee that if Microsoft had gone with HD DVD built inside of the 360, 360 developers would be using that 15/30gigs of space available to them.



DVD9 is starting to show it's age. period.



you're like a baby who's fighting falling to sleep; you know it's inevitable, but you still put up a fuss anyway.

I hadn't hear about those other games, where did you get that info?

Sony fanboys need this to be true. But Sony have said that Blu-Ray is needed for every first party title they have released. Motorstorm, Resistance, Lair, Heavenly Sword, and all those were lies. If Bioshock, Gears of War, Oblivion, Halo 3, Forza 2, PGR4, HL2, Assassins Creed, Mass Effect or GTA IV were exclusive Sony titles they would say the same thing. Even if Killzone couldn't fit on 1 DVD it could EASILY fit on 2. Playstation owners had no problems changing discs in previous generation but obviously they are trying to justify their consoles existence. Rant on.

Yes delayed games and shotty ports are next gen.

ppl quit writin dam essays on ur opinions on games

Killzones still goin to b good! ratchet & clank demo was amazn

you pwned him big time there Shadownet!!!

Next-gen is not just about hardware, it's about hardware and software. And just as none of the current consoles are fully next-gen when you break down the components (the G71 based GPU of the PS3 is hardly next-gen, just like the DVD drive in the 360 and much of the tech in the Wii), today's next-gen games are full of last-gen gameplay.



So it's pointless gamers picking and choosing areas to define one console as next-gen and others as last-gen. Next-gen simply means next generation, and so all the consoles (PS3, 360 and Wii) are as 'next-gen' as each other.

http://www.gametrailers.com/game/1668.html



I'm giving you this link in order to enlighten your self on what Killzone 2 means and if it even compares to the the first game or any other FPS game in a console for that matter, because you obviously have absolutly what so ever no idea my friend about this game....

On the one hand Halo is a fun, high selling game. DVD was only required.



On the other hand, if you want to actually push the envelope (and by that I mean resolutions that could actually be considered HD) then you're gonna need a little more space.



Halo's fun, but if Halo hadn't been branded as Halo, it wouldn't have sold as well. When people purchase Halo they're actually purchasing the ability to play with a million other people.

" last gen feature."



So tell me, what does the xbox360 have to offer that is 'next gen' and that other consoles don't have ?

And besides, you xbox trolls were the ones ranting on the PS3 for not having this 'last-gen-feature' and telling us how good the xbox360 was for having it...

Was I'm pretty sure polys and texture size have to do with data space.



Plus I think we're all aware the Xbox is capable of better graphics without such compromises (Gears of War ring a bell?) This was lazy work on Bungie's part...though I'm pretty sure if developers have more space to work with, they'll use it.

"Was I'm pretty sure polys and texture size have to do with data space."



The most important factors in this respect is having enough video ram and GPU power for the graphics. Having more storage space allows you to store more content overall, hence you can have more variety in the graphics or have more levels, but it wouldn't increase the quality of the graphics unless they were reduced due to lack of space in the first place.



Think of what happens on the PC. What has more effect on the graphics? Having a bigger HDD? The size of the game on the HDD when installed? Or having a more powerful graphics card with more video ram onboard?



Yep, it's the later, and the same is true for consoles. The more vram it has and the more powerful the GPU, the better the graphics can be.



"This was lazy work on Bungie's part...though I'm pretty sure if developers have more space to work with, they'll use it."



Halo 3 and Gears of War are two totally different types of games. Neither Epic nor Bungie could have everything we see in Halo 3 (no. of characters on screen, size of the environments, highly advanced AI and physics etc) and achieve this with the graphics seen in Gears of War.



Developers have to divide the power and memory available depending on what they wish to achieve in the game, and therefore to increase in one area means decreasing others.



Still, in the end, the quality of the gameplay is the most important thing (both single player and multi-player), and therefore my fingers are crossed for KZ2 to achieve the quality of gameplay and range of options seen in Halo 3.

" I guess because you don't have an 360 you're use to a limited amount of good games and downloadable content. "



Well I do. I've had one since Mar 2006. I also own the following 360 games: PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, Dead Rising, GRAW, Oblivion Collector's Ed, BioShock, Halo 3 Ltd Ed. I've also played Gears of War, Call of Duty 2, CoD 3, and a few other games (but these stuck in my mind).



In addition, I own a PS3 (have had it since Feb 2007). I also own the following PS3 games - RFOM, The Darkness, NGS, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk. I've also played Motorstorm and Need for Speed Carbon.



Thus I believe I'm in a position to comment on both (unlike you, who likes to bash the PS3 without having owned or played one).



Also, I've seen that 360 fanboys like you, whenever confronted with the fact that multiplatform titles are NOT 360 exclusives (like so many of you pretend to be), you like to spout dribble that it is better on YOUR console. Ah! But it is better than my Console! Do you even know how that sounds like? This is how it you sound like: "So you have a Daddy too? But my Daddy is stronger than your Daddy! He has more muscles! You will see! You just wait and see!"



"Still haven't touched my comment above. Why are Sony fanboys ducking it? Sitting there for over 12 hours now kicking you Sony fanboys in the face."

-> That's what you like to believe. When confronted with logic, all you can come up with is "But I'm beating you!". Do you know what that sounds like? In the Vietnam War, the US got royally thrashed. So what did they do? They ran and "declared victory". You, my friend, are doing something like that when you say you are coming up with better arguments. If you really want to broaden your perspective, read some of the comments above.



If you reply to this comment by re-iterating the same trash you have been stating for over the past 15 hours, then you will prove yourself to be an immature 360 fanboy. Please try and come up with something new to save yourself. And oh, just calling me names and not coming up with any reasonable arguments will not help in proving your point.

Well now...rather heated with fanboys on the left and fanboys on the right!



Truth is that the xbox crowd will want this to not be true because there is no easy out for them while the ps crowd want to rub this in the xbox crowds face.



come now - all play nice - get both consoles already and rather shoot the crappy wii - yeah it may sell more units but how long is that gonna last?

maybe its gonna be the halo killer again. haha

you cant deny the fact that halo 3 and gears of war would have been kickass games if they had blu ray. am not saying that there not good now, there amazing,but would have been brilliant if they used hd dvd or bluray.

Do you think that if Halo had been done at a higher resolution it wouldn't have been bigger. You trully are an idiot. If that's not the case then why oh why are Blu-Ray's and HD-DVD's needed for high-def movies? duuuuuuuhhhhhh ................ I don't know George! I'll tell you why, Because higher resolution and textures do take up more space you numbnuts. Yeah you need a good video card to display them but if the developer doesn't put it there it won't show up no matter how good your GPU or CPU are. So you do need space where to put those textures and graphics, and unlike the PC the 360 cant have the luxury of doing a partial install of the game on the hard drive for streaming because not all their costumers have a hard drive and the ones that have a 20 GB only have about 13.5 of that available to them. So yeah I would say that the PS3 has a definite advantage over the 360 by having Blu-Ray on their console. Size does matter, if you don't believe me ask your girlfriend. GPU and ram matter but if you don't have the disc space to put all your content into then it doesn't really matter how bad ass your GPU and Ram is. At least on the 360 anyway. No hard drive on every console and no high definition disc player. Not very next gen if you ask me. Killzone would be impossible on the 360. I said it before and I'll say it again, I wonder how bad they had to cut down the size of the city on GTA 4 to fit it into a DVD9? Should have stayed on the Playstation, would've been better.

in the end it has lived up to the tralier back in 05 so at E3 this year truly shows what the PS3 can do....if kill zone 2 works out as a crapy game... it sure as hell will be a show piece title ,in what the ps3 is able to do GFX wise AI wise etc etc etc

And you say that through the years of experience you gained at bungie studios right?

Nope, I say that out of using my common sense. Tell me how Bioshock and Halo 3, as they are right now, would have been better by the inclusion of BR. I own a PS3 (and own games - RFOM, Darkness, NGS, Warhawk and HS) as well as a 360, but my bias is towards a PS3. However, common sense dictates that the same game is not suddenly going to vastly improve just by being recorded on a media with more storage capacity.



If you can prove otherwise, feel free to correct me. But please offer a rational explanation, not biased bs.

""You trully are an idiot."



Oh the irony."



Hehehe, I missed that before. Not that there's anything wrong with spelling errors (we all do it), but it is funny when you're calling someone an idiot in the same sentence.



It's almost as bad as when people write "Your an idiot".

Why did you have to stoop to Devise's low level?

"He hasn't stooped to Devise's low level, that's simply the level he's always argued from."



Hey man, you have a way with words! Impressive!



BTW, if you want to catch me on either XBL or PSN, my Gamer IDs are:

XBL: Man The King

PSN: Man_The_King

Much appreciated. :)



Unfortunately, I have neither console as yet (but I do plan to buy one of them soon, with the other console to follow later). Therefore I've noted your gamer IDs in my dairy and will be happy to contact you once I'm online with one of the consoles.



Until then, happy gaming. :)