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Kaz on sticking it out with Blu-ray on PS3 |
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A month and half after the much-awaited launch of Sony's PS3, Kaz Hirai speaks up and shares his thoughts on their controversial Blu-ray technology with the CES trade publication Blu-ray Today.On the criticism that the PS3 does not provide for much difference compared to their competitors' systems, Hirai had to strongly disagree. He says, "That simply is not true. Not other next generation entertainment system pushes the envelope on advanced technology like PS3." So what if the starting batch of game titles launched along with the console has yet to prove the true power of the system?
If at this point, the PS3 is already showing great graphics, imagine what more it could do once developers start to really get busy acquainting themselves more with the Blu-ray technology. Admittedly, the industry has barely scratched the surface of its power, if at all. So you can most definitely be sure that there'll be more good things coming your way from this next-gen new comer.
But Kaz had to concede that it was also because of the Blu-ray that they encountered problems with launching the PS3 on time. However, given that, he still maintains that although the launch was problematic, sticking it out with the format was still the best choice.
"I don't think anyone could have foreseen the difficulties we encountered in the production of the blue laser diode for the PlayStation 3, which ultimately delayed the launch of the PS3."
He goes on to say that had they taken Nintendo's route, it surely would have saved them a whole lot of trouble. " I suppose if we had simply done a mild upgrade to the PS2 and not pushed the envelope so hard, it would have been easier on ourselves. However, if we did that every time, we wouldn't be Sony."
Very well said, Kaz. Very well said.
Via IGN
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More space doesn't mean better games. The same game can be spread across multiple DVDs if space is an issue.
The fact is it's more of a disadvantage because of the slow read speeds.
Kaz, focus your gaming argument on the Cell processor.
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Games that are made from One Huge Vast Detailed Land which Streams[Loads] During Gameplay cannot Be Made in Multiple Discs...It has to Be in a Single Disc...
Games Like Shadow of the Colossus...where there is one Big V-a-a-a-st land that Loads During Gmaeplay cannot Be Devided into Multiple Discs...as it would ruin the Experience
That Means you,l Have to switch Discs When You go from [Mountain A] To [GreenLand b]...this Will Ruin Streaming Experience of a Singal World.
So...Blu-ray is Important :)
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The only thing blu ray is good for regarding games is being wasteful. Uncompressed HD video and sound, wow. Can anybody tell a difference? NO
Shadow of Collosus has a big world, but not much in it. Oblivion has a much much larger and more detailed world, all streamed from the 360's DVD9 drive barely filling the disc halfway. Do you ever have a point to your argument, broken zero?
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Whether data is streamed or loaded in blocks makes no difference, so it's not an issue. (I'm at work right now so I can't write much more without being discovered ;), so watch this space :)).
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This is Why Oblivion on the 360 looks Inferior Graphically Than the PC Version When Equiped with A Geforce 7800 Gtx[which is Inferior than the PS3]
Next-gen Games will be Much Bigger and Will Need Much More Processing Power,Oblivion is Nothing Compared to Whats Coming in the Next 4 years...that is A one year Old Game....More Compressed Data Will Mean More 360 CPU Power Wasted At Uncopressing In real-Time....
On the Other Hand....Blu-ray Will Not Just Allow For One Vast Detailed World without Switching Discs[which Can ruin the Seemles World Experience]...But it Will Be in Uncompressed Form....Savin A Lot of Processing Power for The PS3.
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Have you even seen a blu ray or HD DVD film? The video quality is amazing. The lesser ammount of compression allows for MUCH more detail and more entising images. When compared side by side to DVD, Blu Ray and HD DVD both look amazing. The sound is also another major facter. It sound much more clear when compared to the standard Dolby digital and DTS streams. Also its impossible to have uncompressed video, it would take up so much space you probably wouldnt even be able to fit it on your HDD. But i doubt you even have an HDTV or an A/V receiver because you would know what quality is but you obiviously dont care and thats what most consumers are like and thats how they'll decide. By chosing the consoles thats $500 (360) instead of the the more complete package of PS3 for $550 (canadian pricing) Once you throw in the HD DVD drive which takes up space which most people probably do not have on their A/V racks, you're up to $700, add 5 years of XBox Live ($240) then you're now at $940. Meanwhile for $550 you get a PS3 with all of those included. The only thing missing is an HD cable but most with an HDTV will want to use the HDMI connnection so that would cost as little as $40 for a good cable (note not one you would find in stores but a higher quality cable from http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/DVI-hdmi_cables.html) you're at $600 for PS3 vs $940 for 360. If you dont want some of these features you're missing out on a good deal, $50 for all that!
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http://gear.ign.com/articles/753/753693p1.html
The Link May Change....But Try Fixing It,or Visit IGN CES...the Major Studios Players are Already Declaring that the Format War is Over in Favour of Blu-ray
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Apple Computer, Inc.
Dell Inc.
Hewlett Packard Company
Hitachi, Ltd.
LG Electronics Inc.
Matsu*****a Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.
Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
TDK Corporation
Thomson Multimedia
Twentieth Century Fox
Walt Disney Pictures
Warner Bros. Entertainment
Companies supporting HDDVD:
Toshiba
HBO
New Line Cinema
Paramount Home Entertainment
Universal Studios Home Entertainment
Warner Home Video
In addition, more than 150+ Blu-Ray titles will be released in 2007 yet HDDVD is only getting 25% of that number in 2007.
Enough said.
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http://gear.ign.com/articles/753/753693p1.html
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You left out some HD-DVD supporters there, probably got this info from the blu ray site (why would they be honest?) HD DVD is promoted by Toshiba, NEC, Sanyo, Microsoft, and Intel, among others. In terms of major studios, HD DVD is currently exclusively backed by Universal Studios, and is non-exclusively backed by Paramount Pictures, Warner Bros. (including subsidiaries HBO and New Line Cinema), Warner Music Group, The Weinstein Company , Image Entertainment (including Discovery Channel)[20] , Magnolia Pictures, Brentwood Home Video, Ryko, Koch/Goldhil Entertainment, and Studio Canal.
Modern compression codecs work great. HD-DVD uses a better format to take up less space. Can you tell a difference between MP3 audio and a .wav format track from a CD? If you listened to each could you tell which is which? Enough said.
This is not a comparison between DVD and HD formats because of course HD looks better with 4 times the resolution. DVDs look great on the 360 because it upconverts the signal unlike the PS3. Not quite HD-DVD quality but much better than 480p. Why does metal gear 4 take up most of a disc? Uncompressed audio mostly, I'm sure it has a lot of low or no compression HD video too.
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There are more Hd-DVD addons sold than Ps3s. They are also in more demand. HD-DVD media is out selling at a conservative rate of 3to1 (Mor like 6to1). Duel format disks (DVD and HD-DVD) . HD-DVD PLayers are cheaper and out selling Blueray players. Then there is the fact that HD-DVD encodes (VC-1) are better Quality than blueray encodes (Mpeg2). If you want a real site to check on about these formats. Goto AVSforum.com . Kthxbye.
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Heres the title of BHs link.
Blu-ray Proponents Predict HD-DVD to Fail
Hmmm, i wonder what the article will be about.
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things like sotc do make the whole streaming from a disc thing enticing, but then again it's not that big a deal to me.
it will be mega convenient to have a hd disc player in my ps3 when the time comes for me to get a hd tv, cos then i won't have to go buy a player... simple really. so i'd end up buying blu-ray : given i have no preference either way.
but look at oblivion (which looks better on the 360 according to my eyes) and gears of war... basically they are on dvds and look and play amazing, and oblivion at least is enormous. so there's still plenty of scope for dvds with respect to storage, but sony have always tried to emphasise a '10 year life cycle' for its consoles, if you ask me they only last about 7 or 8 ... i mean ps1 would still have been a player in 2005, but it was long gone.
anyway, if ps3 lasts as long as ps1 or ps2 then they'll likely be around in 2012 and who knows how much space devs will want on disc then? it's a long time 6 years.
sony are charging masses and are putting some real future-centric stuff into ps3... so right now it makes more sense to buy 360 : better games, instant gratification, devs can handle it easier, xboxlive is good and strong whereas psn is new and uncertain.
i'm excited that i'll be able to experience 5 or 6 more years of excellent games, at least!
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The difference between uncompressed sound and compressed sound is like a cassette tape and a optical CD. Its that much different, you wont find 1 person who will say they sound identical unless they are in denial.
Games like GTAIV will have an advantage with blue-ray. Open sandbox maps will take advantage of the extra space and with the near unlimited space, they wont have to compress the audio.
GTA on the last generation consoles were filling up DVD9s. Do you really think if GTAIII took up 8Gb of space, that a next generation console that runs in 720p or 1080p will look better with 8.4Gb of space? Think again.
The Xbox360 version will most likely have to be split over 2 DVDs or more while the PS3 version will be able to play on 1 Blu-ray.
You want another example, how about LAIR, with maps being 4GB, thats something else thats proving that Blu-ray is providing more space for better games.
Some of you argue that not compressing is lazy on developers part. But compression is a waste of time, processing power and quality.
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Got any more links to heavily biased propoganda articles broken retard?
Back to subject, it will take many years (if at all) for a PS3 developer to both use and need 50gb of storage without being needlessly wasteful. Will the PS3 become popular and for long enough to see that happen? Only time will tell.
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No last generation consoles used DVD9s. It was all regular DVD with what 4.8gb storage? GTA 3 didn't come close to filling a regular DVD. Compression doesn't take much time, quality, or processing power if needed. Besides the 360's drive has a proven 3.5 gb per second faster read time than PS3, so it can be uncompressed by the time the PS3 can read it! I really think the 360's GTA IV version will fit on one disc with no difference at all to the PS3. The PS3 is only for the rich who think they need a HD dvd player before there's even a winner in the format wars. Until then, I'll be enjoying regular DVDs I already have (available cheaper and easier too) upconverted to HD on my XBOX 360.
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toshiba, sanyo, NEC......hahahaha
how bout Panasonic, LG, Hitachi, Pioneer, Phillips, Samsung, HP, Apple(Both), and big boy Dell on blurays list?
but its okay.... those companies arent even that great compared to sanyo and NEC tho.
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The PS3 has the Advantage of An [Hdd] in Every Unit...Games will Be Engireed to Work Using The Hdd as [Virual Ram] to Decrease Loading and [Streaming] time...and to Increase the Amount Of Available Ram for PS3 games.
This can not be Done in the 360...Since the core system Has no Hdd...So Games Cant be Engineered to Use the Hdd....It will Only Be used as an Extra to Cashe Data...No more.
So...in the end,The PS3 will have More Processing Power,Faster Loading in Future Games and More Available Ram by using the Hdd as Virtual RAM :)
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HaHAHA.....I cant get Enough Laughing From this..this is Amazing
Evil Corporations...!!??...i Was Right When i Called you a Kid :)
Plz make Another Post Like that One....I havent Had this Much Fun for a Long Time..
Good Luck..."Evil Boy" ;)...
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When in comparison, the jump from cassette to CD was major. The jump from Compressed Audio to uncompressed audio is just as major and therefore makes the comparison valid.
No Last generation console used DVD9?
Think again because all the GTAs used a DVD9.
Several Xbox and PS2 games used them as well.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The speed in which the Xbox360 can decompress relies on how fast the DVD drive can stream data.
A DVD drive spins up to 12x, the average read rate of a DVD5 on a 12x DVD drive is 8x. Pop in a Dual layer and that is dropped to about 6x because of how DVD technology works. The read rate on DVD drives is the maximum read rate for a Single layer DVD5, not a Dual Layer DVD9, this is where DVD makers distort and advertise.
Blu-ray is almost completely consistent from start to finish, so a 12x DVD drive has a minor advantage even over a 2X Blu-ray drive.
A 12x DVD drive will max out at 15.85MB/s
a 2x Blu-ray Drive will max out at 9MB/s
But in reality the averages are
12x DVD Drive Average + 10.57MB/s
2x Blu-ray Drive Average + 9MB/s
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>"Oblivion Takes 4600Mb of Space For [Compressed Data]....In the 360 Version that Means that this Data Have to Be Uncompressed in real-time as you walk in Oblivion"
Look at the specs for the PC version of Oblivion;
http://www.elderscrolls.com/games/oblivion_faq.htm -
"4.6 GB free hard disk space" - So it's not decompressed on the PC's HDD either, and therefore is taking up no more CPU processing time on the 360 compared to the PC.
Therefore assuming the size for the 360 version is correct, the 360 version is no more compressed than the PC version.
>"This is Why Oblivion on the 360 looks Inferior Graphically Than the PC Version"
Completely untrue. The biggest difference is MEMORY, not processing power or disk space. The PS3 version will look suffer from the same problem because it also has just 512MB in total, which is a fraction of the memory available to the game on the PC. The only improvement Bethesda said was in the PS3 version was using the extra time to improve the transition between foreground and background objects, but other than that, both versions are essentially the same.
http://ps3.qj.net/Loads-of-Oblivion-magazine-scans/pg/49/aid/68605
>"More Compressed Data Will Mean More 360 CPU Power Wasted At Uncopressing In real-Time...."
Assumptions, not facts Broken_Hero. BTW, textures have been compressed on the PC for years, and they are also compressed in next-gen console games, and yet the GPUs decompress and process those textures on-the-fly with virtually no loss in performance. Did you know that?
Anyway, I always back up my arguements with links (or can if asked), because I start with the facts FIRST and base my conclusions around those facts, not around my favourite console. You should try it sometime. ;)
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"- Blu-ray enjoys the support of "seven of the eight major Hollywood studios and two biggest players in the music industry" while HD DVD boasts "more than 41 studios and distributors supporting HD DVD worldwide"."
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/8486/1085/
Seriously this format war is sooo close. I can't beleive BlueRay are trying to claim victory, how lame.
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It's good that the consumers aren't taking the hit, but it will be interesting to see how long it takes for the average PS3 title to come down in price. I saw an article somewhere talking about price deduction on 360 software is starting around the 6 to 8 week mark after release. These stats are great for customers.
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No, it filled up DVD5. San Andreas required DVD9 for the US release because it included a number of PS2 game demos (apparently), whereas the Europeon release (without the demos) filled DVD5. You can see these sizes from iso files on the internet for the game.
"how about LAIR, with maps being 4GB"
I think we'll need clarification on exactly the nature of these maps (i.e. how many and how large and why), and also to see the final game to see if it is actually justified.
Not disputing the size (I think I heard it somewhere else, maybe it was you? :P), but a link would be useful, especially if it was from an interview with Juian. Thanks in advance.
"12x DVD Drive Average + 10.57MB/s
2x Blu-ray Drive Average + 9MB/s"
Where did you get those figures for 12x DVD Vietone? Seems to me adjusted to make them look closer to Blu-ray.
As you can see from the following;
http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/
The spec quotes the transfer speed for data on DVD 1x is 11.08Mbps, therefore DVD 12x is 12*11.08Mbps, which is 132.96Mbps or 16.62MB/s (and 22.16 for DVD 16x).
This is the speed of the outer most track on DVD, the inner most track on DVD is half the maximum speed, which in this case is 8.31MB/s. This gives an average of 12.465MB/s! Which is in keeping with data I've seen elsewhere.
So to summarise;
12x DVD Drive Average ----- 12.5MB/s
2x Blu-ray Drive Average --- 9MB/s
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Of which he has none or else he would look at real research instead of going to biased websites like hdnow online. Check out http://www.cdfreaks.com/reviews/Blu-ray-vs_-HD-DVD/The-Pros-and-Cons.html
notice the title
Blu-Ray Vs HD-DVD The Pros and Cons
It does state Vietone, that when both drives HD-DVD and Blu_ray spin at thier max RPM speed of 10K Because the Blu-Ray data is Denser (More in the same space) that it can reach a transfer rate of 36MBps at 12X but HD-DVD can only read at 9X, In order for it to reach the same transfer speeds it will have to rotate at much higher speeds, Which In current gen Drives it Cant Do.
Also one thing that pissed me off is someone said Amazon.com had a larger selection of HD-DVDs Vs Blu-Ray Disks That is marginaly true with the total titles for HD-DVD being 211 While Blu-Ray is coming in with 210 titles. THAT'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE... Wait i forgot that sarcasam dosent transfer well over the internet.
Bottom line is unless Blu-Ray can get it's costs down soon This format war will drag on for far too long. Just because it's better dosent mean that it will do great you cant count out the "Cheapskate" factor. I mean look how well wal-mart is doing.
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http://www.videohelp.com/dvd
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Dell is pretty evil. Theyre so evil, they sit on top of the computer world.
Disney is pretty evil too. Just go to Disneyland and you'll see how evil they are.
Samsung is evil. Theyre LCDs are black..... must be evil.
20th Century Fox is evil - they are owned by News Corp. News Corp owns myspace. Must be evil too.
On the other hand.... Toshiba is nice. I bought a Toshiba laptop at BB on blackfriday for 250 and sold it on ebay for 500. Theyre nice!
HBO is nice. because theyre just nice.
Paramount is nice becuase they have great america. and great america is nice.
hope this explains it well on how the evil companies support bluray.
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you can flame beast all you want..... but at least he didnt come up with that gay line. hahahahah
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Firstly, you have to compare like with like. They are referring to MB in it's mathematical form, not it's computing form. In maths, 1M is 1000*1000, whereas in computing it's 1024*1024 which is 1048576.
For HDDs and Optical disks, they usually refer to the mathematical size rather than the computing size for 1 MB. Hence a 100MB HDD, will show up as 95.36MB in your computer.
So 15.85MB on that site is actually 15.85*1024*1024, which is 16,619,929.6, or 16.62MB (the number I quoted). So you can see where the figures come from and why you must be careful to compare like with like.
If you were, the maximum transfer speed for Blu-ray would be 8.58MB/s, compared to 15.8 for DVD.
Also, I fail to see where it specified the average speed for DVD 12x. It looks to me as if you simply lifted the figure from the maximum speed quoted for DVD 8x.
Tsk tsk Vietone. :)
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The game world will feel more solid with higher quality textures and a higher level of polygons. The game textures were originally compressed for the PS2 version, so with the new versions the game will look as it was meant to look.
http://www.gtasanandreas.net/overview/
This was from an iterview with Dan Houser
On filling up DVDs: “One area that I’m really involved in is creating the audio assets – I think we’ll have well over 400 speaking parts, which is insanity. The amount of studio time we’re having to get through and the amount of writing that’s involved, we’re more worried about getting it on the disc. That’s our initial challenge. We’re having to go to dual layer DVD because we’ve already filled up a full DVD.
The danger is currently the storage medium (DVD), and one we thing we’re all praying for in the next round of hardware is that they don’t just go, ‘It’s DVD again’. We’ve done some clever stuff with compressing it, but we were virtually full on the disc with Vice City – this time we’re overfilling the disc to the max.”
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=56025
So if Vice City used up a full Dvd, San Andreas wich is basicly twice the size of Vice and on a dvd9 has got to be using most of the dvd9 do you honestly think that GTAIV, which some rumors are saying is twice the size of San Andreas and in HD, will easily fit on a dvd9? Think about it. This is a prime example where blu-ray will benifit games and developers alike.
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For compression, there are two types, lossy and lossless.
With lossy compression, some data is lost to enable higher compression rates. JPEG is one example for pictures, MPEG another for movies. When decompressed, you have something that resembles the original source, but it's not exactly the same. This is what you get for ALL digital movies you watch on DVD, Blu-ray and HD-DVD.
For lossless compression, the name says what it means, i.e. nothing is lost. Therefore when decompressed, it is EXACTLY the same as the original source. ZIP is one such format, but so are some of the modern audio codex, such as Dolby's TrueHD;
http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/trueHD.html
"Dolby® TrueHD is Dolby%u2019s next-generation lossless technology developed for high-definition disc-based media. Dolby TrueHD delivers tantalizing sound that is bit-for-bit identical to the studio master, unlocking the true high-definition entertainment experience on next-generation discs."
So as they say, the resulting audio is IDENTICAL to the original uncompressed audio, hence no quality is loss due to compression.
So please, enough of these uninformed statements that uncompressed is good and compressed is bad, because it's not true as a rule. There are advantages and disadvantages to both approaches, which is why both are being used for next-gen digital movies.
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The Europeon version didn't come with the demos, therefore it was released on DVD5.
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You will often find iso created from the original DVDs, as well as those where gamers reduced the size by stripping out game demos. Others will reduce the size by removing dummy files developers add to speed up performance by filling up the slower inner tracks on DVD.
Here's an example;
http://www.meganova.org/details/331918.html
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Note the sizes.
(I'm posting the link here because non alphanumeric characters change to '+' when you post it as a reply.
The idea that the game fills DVD9 is a myth, one which started from interviews like the one you posted. Even if the game exceed DVD5 sometime during developement, they were obviously able to reduce the size once the game was optimized and ready for release.
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http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/124852
"San andreas is definetly not dvd9 these were rumours before the game was released. The only dvd9 version of san andreas is the one that has a midnight club demo on it."
I guess this must have been the release version of the game, where soon afterwards, they released a DVD5 version without the demo (the one you have).
Anyway, going back to DVD9. I would let the developers worry about what they can and cannot do with DVD9 on the 360.
Remember, since that interview, the creators of "the best selling video game on the planet" announced at E3 2006 that GTAIV will be released at the same time for 360 and PS3, with exclusive episodic content for the 360, although I'm sure the PS3 will have it's own exclusive episodic content too.
So obviously DVD9 is not holding them back TheDude.
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hahahahaahhaha.... hehehehe...hihihihi..hohoho
the word gay was not used as much than how it is used now. when you were in the 3rd
grade... in the 80s..... did you ever hear the word gay? oh yeah..... im sure you did.
briefly tell me how apple isnt evil and bluray supports are. actually.....since i know you love MS..... throw in MS in your explanation. it doesnt have to be 5 pages. just a few sentences. obviously we all know how much time you spend on some long posts.
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---Kaz Harai is my Homie, I love the Movie Kill Bill because she kills Bill.
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Hmm....and LOL...evil companies are supporting the bluray?....haha look who is talking....ALL corporations are EVIL...u idiot... oh and Microsoft the EVIL of all EVIL....is one of the biggest supporter of HD-DVD....LOL....MS is sooo full of *****....
Use Linux man...or mac.
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I dont Waste Much Time In a Single Subject...
Those Are Normal Readers Expressing their Feelings Toward Your Childish Word..
Dont Go Thinking That I,m the Only One Making Fun of You....i Have more important things than this type of chatter..
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This One is An Obvious Imposter...I know...Because His Words Arent Funny...That Dude Alwayz Make Funny Statements
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Having to Put It On A DVD9 to Fit on the 360 Is A Huge Limitation...One Way Around this,is that the Game will Ask you To Switch Discs When you Reach a Certain Chapter In the Game..
GTAIV is not the Only game that Will suffer....There Will Be Bigger Games in the 4 Coming Years,Games that Are Designed With A Single Huge World,without Levels or Chapters......this type Of Games will Certainly Suffer From the Limited Storage..
It Doesnt Take A lot Of thinking to Figure that Future Games Will Exceed the 9GB Limit...It will Happen Sooner Or Later....But that Doesnt Meant It cant be Put into Multiple-Discs..
As i said Before...Games Like Halo3,Gears can be Made into Multiple-Discs....Games With A Single Huge World that is Bigger than [9GB] and Streams[Loads] While In-game Cannot be Devided Into Discs..
Thats All
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Go back to school kid and learn to make an informed consumer decision next time you want to spend a lot of money. If only you listened to me to begin with.
GOD I ENJOY THIS
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Let wait and see first, in particular how both versions compare. I suspect you will not see much if any difference between them. Also, since the game is released this year, we'll have info, screenshots and interviews with Rockstar discussing about both versions.
TheDude, I understand what you're saying, but just as there are gamers who say Blu-ray is bad or not needed, there are also gamers who say DVD is not good enough or it's a serious limitation. The fact is, there are advantages and disadvantages to both (DVD is faster (in the 360), Blu-ray offers more capacity). Both are great for next-gen games, but unfortunately, fanboys tend to focus only on the disadvantages and exaggerate them to make a point (even when they have no knowledge of programming and game ddevelopement). :|
So I repeat, let the developers worry about the capacity of DVD or the speed of Blu-ray, and we gamers can worry about the results, i.e. the games. :)
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back on topic - it's one of those pointless interviews really, where kaz says everything you would expect him to say but he says nothing new or interesting. it's a good space filler though, and if it was in a magazine, good toilet paper (read then wipe).
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:Notice how the evil corporations support blu ray (except Apple)fox news corp, disney, sony etc" - mr. common sense
hahahahahha..... HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAA
want me to help you out?.....
Apple and MS are not evil because......
Dell, Panasonic, Sony, Samsung are evil because....
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why do you think lots of devs are adding to option for ps3 games to copy game data to the hdd? it's to speed up load times because without it, load times are slower than the 360.
so don't call people a retard and then prove that the only retard around here is YOU.
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