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Kaz Hirai Takes A Swing At Microsoft! |
Listed in: PS3 Tags: Blu-ray, Kazuo Hirai, playstation 3 updates, PlayStation Magazine, Sony
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Usually we frown upon this kind of inter-corporation bashing (even if it does make for sensational headlines such as the one above) but this time we have to kind of just stand there in stunned amazement thinking "way to grow a pair Kaz!" Incendiary comments of this nature are usually reserved for the manly men types (at least as manly as being a PR dude for a videogame company allows) such as Peter Moore, Reggie, Phil Harrison, and now and again good ol' Kenny. That's why we were somewhat surprised to wake up to these comments from Sony's own Kaz Hirai apparently made in the latest issue of PlayStation Magazine:
PSM: Sony and Microsoft seem to be taking the exact same path.
Hirai: We seem to. Every time we go down a path, we look behind and they're right there - we just can't shake these guys. I wish that they would come up with some strategies of their own, but they seem to be going down the path of everything we do. If you look at their strategy in other business areas as well, they tend to do that.
Hirai:...And the other thing is, you take a look at, for example, the fact that we incorporate the Blu-ray drive from day one. You're not going to be asking me, 'So, talk to me about this Blu-ray add-on that you have. Does it work for games? Is it just for movies?' That's exactly the kind of pitfall you fall into if you launch something that's too early, too premature...
Ouch! Maybe it seems all the more scathing because it's coming from Kaz Hirai, the "RIIIIIIDGE RAAAAACER!" guy, but talk about a one-two sucker punch! Sigh... why is it that we hang on every word these guys utter?
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MS is going after Sony, that's Kaz message. Can you explain your comment on Blu-Ray? Why would you see a blu-ray player at 499 if the PS3 hasn't been release? What Kaz was trying to state is that MS wanted to release their system before the PS3 but still wanted to follow Sony's strategy however this caused them to fall into a pitfall of having to release an add-on that doesn't bring anything to gaming. Sony does have a concrete system to compete with the 360, it's call PS2, which by the way is kicking the 360's butt.
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Sony: Yes?
Ninty: This is kettle. You're black.
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Therefore again MS was just following, but with online services they did a great job. However your talking about a company that released 2 systems in 3 year's time before Sony release a new system. Sony gave them plenty of time to make things better but they have only marginally improved on the current systems. PS3 comes now, not marginally improved but really bringing us to the next generation of playstations. Online gaming can finally be good on a playstation system. They are not copying but instead can now finally deliver the online promise made long ago.
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The XBox was launched in November 2001, XBox 360 was launched November 2005. Hence 2005-2001 = 4 Years.
XBox 360 is a great improvement over the XBox, just as the PS3 will be a great improvement over the PS2. Suggesting the 360 is just only a marginal improvement over current systems is pure nonsense.
"They are not copying but instead can now finally deliver the online promise made long ago."
XBL has set the standard that gamers now expect from an online service on consoles. Sony has to deliver this level of service and more, and that is what they are trying to do for the PS3. Therefore they ARE copying, and copying a service which they had nothing but criticisms for last gen.
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Let's see: Nintendo, Nintendo, Sega, Microsoft, Microsoft, Nintendo, Nintendo, PC, PC, PC, etc.
Oh that's right, $ony do have UMD and BRD. . . That's nice; ten years in the game industry and just two doomed media formats to speek of for innovation. Great work $ony. What arrogance.
The bigger they are. . . .
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with real time weapon change, we can attack sonys weak point ro massive damage!
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Dreamcast and PS2 both failed on their online promise. Why? because of the adoption. As I mention before, online gaming just wasn't great then. MS on the other hand took a gamble and their timing was much better and although they wasted a lot of money in their investment since adoption was still poor. 360 improves on this yet again.
The jump from the xbox and 360 is about the same as the dreamcast to the XBOX both of which are of the same generation.
"XBL has set the standard that gamers now expect from an online service on consoles."
Yes no one is arguing that but it wasn't anything new.
keekwy, you obviously dont know what you're talking about. Your comment could say "blah blah blah" and you wouldn't lose anything from it's meaning.
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Yea, MS may have had the online biz for 4 years, but Blizzard and others have had their online systems longer. They may not be as many features and such, but it is out there before MS. So, MS is stealing, I mean barrowing, from others as usual.
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Even with the introduction of XBL, there were many skeptics insisting that going for broadband only and ignoring 56K users was a BIG mistake (including Sony), and those who believed it would fail claiming no-one would be willing to pay for online services.
XBL set the standard gamers now EXPECT from online gaming on consoles. You may not like MS, but atleast give credit were it's due, and imo, MS deserves credit for XBL.
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Kaz Hirai is making comments on the HD-DVD drive for Xbox 360 while dedicated blu-ray players made by Sony cant even come to the shelves when they are supposed to.
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The XBox (and GC) were LATE last gen. MS didn't want to be late again. Therefore they had no choice but to cut short the lifespan of the XBox, which in case you haven't noticed, is not the market leader.
"Dreamcast and PS2 both failed on their online promise. Why? because of the adoption. As I mention before, online gaming just wasn't great then. MS on the other hand took a gamble and their timing was much better and although they wasted a lot of money in their investment since adoption was still poor. 360 improves on this yet again."
MS didn't waste money on XBL. The investment made for XBL had to be made at sometime, there are no cheap ways around it. The service for XBox and XBox 360 today is that same service, updated and improved since it's first introduction.
BTW, the adoption rate for online on the 360 is significantly better than that of the original XBox, and is very much related to the adoption rate of broadband in homes worldwide.
"The jump from the xbox and 360 is about the same as the dreamcast to the XBOX both of which are of the same generation. "
Stop talking nonsense. Developers working on BOTH consoles consider the 360 and PS3 to be on par in terms of power, with the 360 having the edge in some areas (GPU) and the PS3 in others (CPU). Eg, from May this year;
http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/704/704524p2.html
"Magnus Högdahl: The PS3 will have a content size advantage with Blu-ray and a CPU advantage for titles that are able to utilize a lot of the SPUs. The Xbox 360 has A SLIGHT GPU ADVANTAGE and its general purpose triple-core CPU is relatively easy to utilize compared to SPUs. I expect that it will be near impossible to tell Xbox 360 and PS3 screenshots apart."
The PS3 is only slightly more powerful than the 360 (thanks to Cell), perhaps 20% more overall at best. So I guess that means the PS3 is only a marginal improvement over current systems too. *rolls eyes*
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LOL! Sure 'super friend', now read the comments from a DEVELOPER working on BOTH consoles in my post above. You know, a guy who actually knows what he's talking about rather than some anonymous gamer online who thinks he's an expert just because he knows how to read. ;)
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Innovation is a mix of creating brand new ideas and merging them with ideas that already work. Some of you act like Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft are just stealing from each other, and really that just brings on an endless argument.
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at the end of the day, the 360 sucks and ps3 will win. its inevitable and all the xbox fanboys will cry in their little corners. hahahaha ps3 FTW!!
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The first PC online systems used the same type of matchmaking that Xbox Live usues now. You have a host and all the clients connect to the host. As PC games have evolved so has the online system of PC games. Now there are dedicated servers with high performance hardware to allow excess of 30 players to connect and play with very low latency.
Xbox Live is still a last generation online system. It offers no new improvements from when it launched on the original Xbox. Videos, photos and themes arent improvements on Xbox Live, its just added features. Xbox Live has the potential to use the same system that PCs use now, FFXI has proven that.
The PS3 needs to implement a system where a mass of players can join servers dynamically instead of having a player be a host and everyone else a client.
The Xbox360 console was indeed poorly launched. It was plauged with hardware problems and overheating problems. You have to assume that people are going to play the power supply on the carpet sence thats where usually the power strip and every other power cord is going to.
You have to assume that people are going to jerk the console from tripping over cables or acidently bumping into the console.
You have to be able to have a console operate in the worse case you can think of. If a console does not operate for a full intended gaming period and overheats, then you have a poorly designed console.
I cant play my Xbox360 for more then an hour or so because during hot days my room reaches temperatures in the 80s and then the system starts blinking saying that its too hot.
For how loud the system fans are and that the PSU is external, the system should never give me overheating problems. Id rather have a console designed and tested instead of a rushed console like the xbox360.
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hahaha all i got to say ur piece of crap, first of all when u take about GPU, THE 360 HAS A MUCH MORE ADVANCED GPU THAN THE PS3 AND U HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING YET, SPEAKING OF GAMES, THE 360 WILL MORE VARIETY OF GAMES AND BETTER QUALITY GAMES THAN THE PS3 AND THAS A FACT. WHERE IN THE HELL U GOT 3 TIMES POWERFUL THAN THE 360 GRAPHICS CARD, GET UR FACTS STRAIGHT U STUPID PIECE OF *****.
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Really? Then please enlighten us all on how the PS3 will offer a so-called next generation online system. Oh and, no speculation or rumours please, just provide FACTS.
"It offers no new improvements from when it launched on the original Xbox. Videos, photos and themes arent improvements on Xbox Live, its just added features."
LOL! Added features ARE improvements. Oh but wait, it's on the XBox therefore it doesn't count. Right? *roll eyes*
Gamers like yourself are so amusing. You refuse to give credit to anything outside of your console of choice, and yet when the same arrives on your favoured console, you're so excited that you can only type with one hand.
As for your other XBox 360 arguements. LOL! Typical, just typical of people like yourself. Who cares about facts when lies and exagerations will do fine.
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or will have multiple dvds(2-4) just for a single game!!!....think about it.yea keep saying ***** but after a while youll see what i mean.and online...just remember its free and better than what you xbots think...
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I tell you what...90% of what Kaz said was true. Be in denial as much as you like.
poster 33:
Added features like themes, photos and videos are NOT improvements to the service. They can be classed as improvements but improvements are things the benefit gamers coming together and enhancing their overall online experience and the way's in which we interact with each other. Something like Webcam Support... that's an improvement.
Number 32:
You cannot say at this point that the PS3 has better graphical abilities. Until we physically see it in action and play the games, there is no way to tell how superior it really is... specs mean nothing. Ultimately it depends on the developers and how much work they put in and how familiar they are with the hardware. This year games like Gears of War will show alot more potential on the 360.
Only time will tell. But at the end of the day, we shouldn't be worried aobut how good it looks, but rather how well it plays.
Number 26:
Beautifully said.
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2 different consoles...copied by sony
motion sensing....copied by sony from nintendo
HDD...copied by sony
online service...copied by sony
I wonder why they always see microsoft everywhere they go...DUH
and to those who think the ps3 is still twice as powerful, quite reading sony's E3 2005 press release, and try something from the last 2-3 months.
and to say xbo live has not changed from the original is retarded.
messaging from online to the consoles...new feature
live arcade...new feature
webcam use...new feature
live anywhere...new
interacting with media center/vista/xp
the list keeps going, to say that it hasn't changed is just dumb. sony has some catching up up to do. and with the hybrid hd/dvd - blu ray coming out next year, they had better start copying some good stuff soon...
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Microsoft and Sony are actually walking in circles because, like two dogs, they both have their noses in eachothers asses.
Microsoft has LIVE!, Sony 'trails it'.
Sony goes with a new disk format, Microsoft 'trails it'.
(Meanwhile, Nintendo's off in its own little world, sitting on the sidelines, wondering what the hell the other two are doing.)
Anyways, that's what corperations do: Equal or best the competition to make better products.
Either way, the consumers win.
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Regarding Betamax :
SONY has long been a LEADER in consumer electronics. They "experiment" with new products. (and betamax fails) and NASA, they are leaders in space. They experiment new technology. (and shuttle blows) Anyone who explores new territory will definately stumble and fall as a part of learning. Do you find it embarassing when you laugh at other's mistakes to stop them from experimenting and innovating?
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motion sensing....copied by sony from nintendo
HDD...copied by sony
online service...copied by sony
first of all...the ps3 controller dont have motion sensor, its the 6-axis tilt motion...big difference dumbass,,,i dont remmeber seeing anyone swing a ps3 controller like a "wiimote"...the HDD was made for the ps2 from the biginning...for thos xbotx out there on the back of the old ps2(not psTwo)it clearly says
"expantion bay"for the HDD since 2000 b4 xbox came out!!
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"expantion bay"for the HDD since 2000 b4 xbox came out!!---
that expansion bay was because sony didnt know what to put in it at the time. later they put a HDD in, and then they made you put a network doodad in it. and then later on in the ps2's life, they made the ps2 unable to have a hard drive.
and microsoft had a tilt controller before sony did. and sony wouldnt even had a tilt controller if they werent running with their tail behind their legs covering up for their failed attempts at court battles and nintendos motion sensing.
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man I'm too LMAO now to continu writting lol
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GO JAPAN!!!
AMERICAN games (compared to, mostly) SUCK!!!
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MS should also hire more designers to package their products because their brand image says "dull and old conservative". Since the release of XP, Xbox 360 and including the upcomming Vista, they have never made me say "wow".
Plus, spokesperons @ MS should be fired because they act like nervous children running around in circles, with ENVY written on their foreheads.
Also, flaming PS3 is very bad marketing for microsoft because everyone knows SONY is MUCH more experienced at consoles. They should just accept second place for now and play along until they learn more in this market.
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You see, when I said that they were always there behind us, I meant that it "was" like that, but now Nintendo and Microsoft seem to have gotten the jump on us, so we've decided that we would incorporate things from both Nintendo and Microsoft as well as get rid of Immersion's technology because we lost the legal battle with them and Sony does NOT give in to those who trump us. Anyway, the motion gimmi...err...controller was just our way of stea..err...borrowing Nintendo's innovative motion controller, which I gotta admit, is far superiour to our junk that I can't wait to play the 3 sports game they're going to release. As far as the Microsoft side of things, we've decided that they're whole XBL system could definitely make us more money as we rip off the consumer with the whole "micro-transaction" deal.
Besides, doesn't everyone know that PS3 is only being used to win the next-gen movie format!? You see, UMD didn't quite work the way we thought it would, so we decided to go full-force with Blu-Ray.
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The conclusion for me is that they're nervous. They have to assure their shareholders about their position, which no matter how much hype you give, it's a one card strategy based on a $600 game machine, way too expensive for a game console with no killer app as of today, and a cheap blue-ray player for a market without a great movie selection, lack of HDTV on mass market level and a format war that can only lead to wait-and-see position on average consumer, not willing to get trapped on an VHS vs Betamax debate all over again.
So when things aren't clear for PS3 and shareholders are doubtful, together with the overall decline of their electronics division and the fall of the UMD format, we can expect PR stuff to go on and on...
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I just was stating, all corps steal, I mean borrow items/ideas from each other. It's the way of the world.
As for your other posts, I do agree with you, XBL is the best out there right now. Sony's listings of what they are going to have, I see giving them a run for title of best online, and may surpass it. But, it's NOT LIVE YET, so I will not say that Sony beats XLB. Only after Sony releases their online and people can put them side by side to make a compare. Then we can see who is better. See if Sony was nothing but Hot Air, or if they can beat XBL.
Do I like MS, not in the last 5 years or so. The whole, school yard bully, I'm better than you, chat gets tired very quickly. This was very apperant when they were saying their 360 was better made and as they were saying it a friend of mine went through 5 360's. Talk about being frustrated, esp after he read that little phrase from MS.
I do have to hand it to them though they are coming a long way to push hardware again with Vista, I see parts of other OS gui's and parts of other browsers in the beta that I have.
But, as many of you should know, company's when they find something that people like/want, corps snatch it up, and run it into the ground. Take Tab's in browers, MS finally put it into IE7 after how many browsers before it, WHY - Cause that is what people like/want.
Same thing with consoles, people see things they are used to and like, and you see them again.
So, YAZ, Yes, XBL is the best online service for consoles right now. And Yes, they did bring it to a new level. I give credit were it is due.
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Their console lost it's only attitudes now:
- graphics: PS3 is over 2 times more powerful than X360
- standard HDD: oh yes, it is needed by developers, and PS3 has it
- online: SONY catched up, and they will offer much more things than XBL, thanks to their media content
PS3 also has much wider developers support, and Blu-ray drive, which is needed.
So X360 is done, being outsold by PS2 ever since it launched.
X360 is a failure, it's a middle gen just like Dreamcast was, PlayStation console will come and stomp it.
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Its okay to be a fan of a system, just say that. Don't go around saying this console will beat that one and blah blah blah. Especially when one of the fighters has yet to show up to the weigh-in (Yes I'm talking about PS3). Sure we all know that PS has some great stuff... yet their attendence at present is absent. So please until they show up and actually begin to fight then you begin to make your judgements... which can still be wrong. For instance, I was for sure that the Pistons were going to win The Finals. When they didn't after watching the first two games I was sure that Dallas was going to win... Wow, would you look at that, the Heat won, the team I though was going to win didn't... twice... I was wrong.
Secondly, because you aren't making any PS3 or 360 software/hardware yourself, you are ignorant to the true capacity of either system. Also, if you listen to anyone who actually does create software/hardware for either system but not both... they can only tell you information from one side... get what I'm saying? Therefore, as a CONSUMER, it is your job to do some CONSUMER RESEARH. When you shop for a television/car/bike don't you shop around and get all the information you can before you make that purchase. Wouldn't you want to go and test drive a car before you bought it? Wouldn't you be more inclined to purchase a car that you've actually seen, touch, driven, and at least kicked the wheels? As opposed to buying a car just by looking at the brochure?
Lastly, for those saying that the PS3 & 360 are a wash or that one is more powerful than the other. Exactly how would one know this? Does anyone actually have both systems? I don't think at this point Kaz actually has one himself. At the moment we have actual 360 hardware/software and we have "THEORETICAL" PS3 hardware/software. What about the games that were played at E3 you ask... You mean the ones played on PC's and SDKs? It is my understanding that there were no actual PS3s at E3, and there still are none... why, you ask... the system has yet to be finalized. This time last year didn't everyone think that the PS3 would have 2 HDMI ports, be a network hub, and have a bunch of other stuff? What happened? We were going off of paper charts and theoretical expectations... we still are. So until you get a finalized spec sheet, which would mean you'll have to wait until they actually go into production... No one.... Not Kaz, Not Kutaragi, Not PSM, Not OPM, Not Xbox.com, Not Major Nelson, Not Gates... and Dare I say Not anyone who posts on gaming blogs/sites knows the power of the PS3 or how it compares to 360.
This message was brought to you by in part by, The Center for Fanboy Control, I know I can read, can't you, Smack a fanboy foundation, and of course viewers like you.
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anyway of the microsoft bashing subject, thats picture was hilarius.
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HAH, alright lets get down the list
-Wireless controllers come with the system
-hard drives
-headset
-xbox live
-downloadable content
-Themes
-play your own music no matter what you are doing
-Xbox live Arcade(I love this thing)
-friend list
-centralized online service
-Individual Rank system
-Way more comfortable controller.
-inovative 1st party game
-Streaming videos, pictures and music from your computer
-recording tv
-microsoft made wireless internet
-Faceplates
-dashboard
-dashboard media player w/ visualizor
-able to conect with any media player and stream music such as the psp or the ipod.
-download files simutaniusly
-download music
-download demos of games
-download movie trailers
-download game trailers
-download episodes of shows
-2 major updates to the system every year, from feedback.
-user created programs such as the web browser
ugh im done listing, this is saposd to be a short response.
"M$ is trying to follow SONY, but they failed miserably.
Please tell me how microsoft copied sony and failed.
Their console lost it's only attitudes now:
Learn what the word attitude means you dumb ****
- graphics: PS3 is over 2 times more powerful than X360
wow so your one of those n00bs who believes everything someone posts on the internet.
- standard HDD: oh yes, it is needed by developers, and PS3 has it
yah xbox had it first
- online: SONY catched up, and they will offer much more things than XBL, thanks to their media content
so you havn't stated anything that shows microsoft coping, just sont coping
PS3 also has much wider developers support, and Blu-ray drive, which is needed."
dont make me laugh they have horrible 1st party developers.
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Hahaha so funny man. But what I truely love is how all the Sony Fanboys defend the PS3 when we dont really no too much about it. People need to take a step back and see what the PS3 is.
Just because PS1 and PS2 were huge doesnt mean PS3 will be.
XBL convinced me the buy an Xbox360 and Sonys online will have to be as great atleast before I consider a purchase.
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First off, get your facts straight. Although it's true Xbox was the first to HAVE HDD and online, Sony was the first to plan for it, and they were very vocal about their plans. Where do you think Microsoft came up with the idea? Things like the HDD and online capabilities were built into the PS2 and promised later - Microsoft saw this as a strength, and made the HDD and online standard in their system. In other words, monkey see monkey do. The only argument to be made here is a "paper launch" vs a real one. Microsoft had the money to do it, so it did. When we talk innovating the console market, that means PCs don't apply. Sony brought in DVD playability, Microsoft decided they would too. (Of course, please buy their remote control)
When Microsoft entered the market, they used Sony's plans as the drawing board. "Here's what Sony has, let's do it better." Better hardware and better online service, that was the goal, and they reached it. Just because Sony was late on integrating it's plans as they had originally intended doesn't mean that they're following Microsoft now just because Microsoft made Sony plans a reality first. It means Microsoft took Sony plans and put them into action before Sony did - the things Xbox LIVE and Sony is integrating now were talked of in the previous generation with the PS2. The only thing was, the PS2 never managed to deliver ANY of what was promised - the HDD was horribly late and even then, none of the software promised was on it. In reality, I think Sony realized that the PS2 could do these things, but was still inferior to the Xbox where hardware was concerned - so what's the point?
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they cant talk now!
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as for #61...your a big dumass...hahahaha MS didnt do ***** innovative for xgay...most of those things are 3rd party hardware...headsets???WTF?ok there if you consider that ps2 has those..hahaha plus thos will be intigrated for ps3 for FREE what???didnt you hear?FREE no paying ***** like you scum bag.and like faceplates are cool(yea right)...imagine if sony did that(not like i would want cuz its gay) well you xbots would have some dumb ass reason to bash it so shut your *****ing ingnorant mouth up ***** head..hahaha
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66 stfu your a n00b get over it and actually present reseonable ideas not stupid ***** like ".hahahaha MS didnt do ***** innovative for xgay" get a life its obvius you can't think of anything better to say so just stfu!
anyway i have the idea of making space shutle that will fly to pluto. someday nasa will make it, but since i thought of it first they are folowing in my trail. See how your reasoning fails. now what sony had planed for an online service for the ps2 is a horrible excuse for online anyway, and the only similarity to xbox live is it conected to the wall.
If u think your second paragraph means xbox copied, than ps1 copied sega genesis, ne geo, nintendo 64 ect....
I am not repeating the list I made of ideas sony copied, but the one I made b4 was way longer than the list of xbox inovations I posted.
sorry for bad speliing dont have time to check this g2g.
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Rofl, for online, Sony may have 'talked the talk' but Microsoft actually 'walked the walk'. Therefore it is MS who deserves credit here, not Sony.
Sure Sony said much about online at the time, with Ken Kutaragi's comments about 'jacking into the matrix' (don't laugh, he was serious ;) ). Sony described a future where gamers can download movie trailers and demos to their PS2 (hence the HDD) and play games online, but the never mentioned a service like XBL, with features such as voice chat and friends lists.
Microsoft provided an online service, Sony provided an online model based around that seen on the PC (i.e. add an ethernet port and leave the rest up to the developers).
So after criticising XBL last gen, Sony are now following MS with an online service of their own.
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Sony fanboys you have to accept the fact sony have stolen heaps before. Rumble pak was for the nintendo 64, later on playstation released a controller with rumble in it. Nintendos motion idea was also stolen. Sony are also copying the UNIFIED online service which XBL offers. And dont think it will be free, it costs heaps of money to create a network like that.
Now before any of you fanb0ys start saying what about XBox it has rumble in it, Rumble became a standard in consoles therefore no stealing.Also before you go what about nintendo stealing... heres an idea use your brain and think about what nintendo did, they built off FAILED technology and are making it better than before.
While someone mentioned the xbox 360 wont have a HD-DVD player thats because the 360 is made for playing games. If you want to watch high def movies buy the add on.
As for the power which has more power etc you can only go on what the developers say, they make the games, they know what they are talking about, if they say there wont be much visual difference believe them, im sure they know much more than you when it comes down to this.
Another thing to sony fanb0ys, sony lost a court case because they used a rumble from a company and didnt tell them about it. Dont you wonder why there isnt a rumble in the ps3 controller? Well now you know. Microsoft was getting sued too but they did the smart thing..... and bought most of that companies stock.
Please to all sony fanb0ys dont hate me for stating facts about your console i have been satisfied with both xbox and playstation 2 but when it comes down to it I refuse paying HEAPS of money for a games console. IF I can get 2 consoles IE Wii60 (xbox 360 and Nintendo wii) for the price of a PLAGARIZE station 3, I'm going to take the Wii60.
To the PC people out there, this is a console war not the PC vs MAC vs Linux war. Pi$$ off.
PS: try to keep your posts logical when trying to "bag-out" another console, Im sick of reading posts like this OMG PS3 Sux0rs 360 FTW or xbox = gayz0rsz ps3 r0xx0rs you just make yourself look stupid with comments like that.
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Another thing to sony fanb0ys, sony lost a court case because they used a rumble from a company and didnt tell them about it. Dont you wonder why there isnt a rumble in the ps3 controller? Well now you know. Microsoft was getting sued too but they did the smart thing..... and bought most of that companies stock.
HMMM, interesting because MS, Nintento and Sony all got used for it, due to some wackjob at the patent office let through a generic patent for game controller vs whats on screen. MS suit got dropped, why, cause they paid them off and bought stock into their company. Hence one reason why Sony dropped the rumble, do you want to pay your competition royalties on each system and controller sold???
And to those who think Sony made a working controller in a matter of a day or two, cause they "stole" the motion sensor from Wii..... think again, WORKING controllers take a bit more than a few days to get setup. Molding alone takes a few days.
Quit arguing over who stole what from whom.... they ALL steal from each other. END of Story. Some have ideas that don't go anywhere, others pick it up and run with it to make a touchdown. Other times they all drop the ball and nothing goes anywhere.
Next people are going to argue about the internet not being stolen from the scientist that created it.
Here is what everyone keeps arguing over... Chevy, Honda, and others stole from Ford.. The original Ford. Same type of argument. I mean who thought of putting rubber on their wheels, and who stole that idea. Who made the truck, and who stole that one??? I mean it's all over, all corps steal form everyone else.. so WHO CARES if MS stole from Sony and Sony stealing from MS, or Nintento stealing from MS.....
Guess what, you know who wins.... US!!! Why, cause if something is working and working well, we get more of a choice in the matter when it comes to Online, games, consoles, etc.... More choices means lower prices, and better products. Please take an Econ class if yu have not yet, or remember your class. Supply and demand.
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It's so much easier to sell to you than to the folks on here who are trying to make rational, well-informed arguments.
I wouldn't want you as friends, but I'll gladly take your money based on my "strategy," especially if I don't ever have to deliver on it!
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And to be honest, LIVE is a pathetic service. My friend had it on his Xbox and it had to be the worst thing I've ever been on - I remember some Xbox magazine insulted the PS2's service for not having "Global gamer tags" so that players can be like "girls, and change their name often." Because I'm sure giving your players the ability to mask their voice is far more mature. Sometimes we really just don't want headset communication, and I don't want to have to pay for that crap either. Especially when games end because the host Xbox leaves - we're using a hosting system here and paying for it? Paying for what? A 10 year-old masking his voice as a robot to say "Suck my penis"? Count me out.
Like I said earlier - it doesn't matter if Microsoft produced Sony plans first - they looked at the PS2 and improved every aspect. They took Sony plans and put them in the system immediately - that was something that made the Xbox ridiculously expensive, but to combat the price Microsoft decided to take a financial hit instead. Sony may be a big corporation, but not the kind of corporation that can do THAT. They didn't just walk THE walk, they walked SONY'S walk, which makes it all the more humorous when you view LIVE's bizarre success.
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"They took Sony's idea and put it into play before them"
"Like I said earlier - it doesn't matter if Microsoft produced Sony plans first - they looked at the PS2 and improved every aspect."
Are you sure? I see a LOT more similarities between the XBOX and the DreamCast than i see between the XBOX and the PS2.
XBOX - DreamCast:
- Controllers look similar
- Integrated online (DC modem and XBOX BroadBand)
- Windows-based OS (Windows CE on DC and modified 2000 on XBOX)
XBOX - PS2:
- mmm. Online? PS2 had NO online game when the XBOX came out.
- HDD? PS2 had an expansion port that was never used before the XBOX came out. Considering they removed it in the later PS2 designs...
really, there's nothing here. Move along.
So if anything, Microsoft copied SEGA, not SONY.
and then Nintendo also copied SEGA, SEGA copied Nintendo and Nintendo copied Atari and so on...
So honestly... who cares about who copied who?
As for innovation, why does no one displays Sony's these TRUE innovation all made to make us beleive that the price is ok:
- selling the system with no game included.
- selling the system with only ONE controller.
- selling the system with two controller ports when other consoles were all using 4.
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