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Heavenly Sword not possible on DVD, Blu-ray is the only way to go

Posted Sep 1, 2007 at 5:04AM EST by QJ Staff

Listed in: PS3 Tags: Nina Kristensen, Ninja Theory

With an audio allocation that eats up 10 GB, its safe to say that Heavenly Sword is not quite possible for DVD, and that's what Heavenly Sword's chief development ninja, Nina Kristensen said about the enormous filesize capacity needed for Ninja Theory's groundbreaking title. "We have jam-packed the Blu-Ray disc absolutely full," she confirmed, and that's with everything compressed already.

She also revealed that they also left out some content due to storage issues. "We had to be really judicious at the end with what was going on the disc and what wasn't."

Pushing the Blu-ray disc to its limits is just one indication of how much Ninja Theory is giving their all to their debut title. According to her, Heavenly Sword's success is important for the gaming studio, who dared to put out something quite ambitious. And with four years of hardwork devoted to one game, failing is going to be more than a disappointment. "Frankly I'd be devastated if it wasn't a success after four years of development."

So if Heavenly Sword does do well, will there be a sequel in the works? Nothing's set in stone, according to the chief development ninja, but they want to continue the Heavenly Sword franchise.

Read the entire interview in the Read link!

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Heavenly Sword EXACTLY as it is on the PS3 may not be possible on one DVD (although it should be possible on multipl DVDs), but as a game (you know, where gameplay matters not cut-scenes), it is easily possible.

Besides, this game has been commended more for it's presentation and cutscenes than it's gameplay, hence averages a little over 8 out of 10, good but not spectacular. As a gamer, I prefer devs work less on the cutscenes and presentation and more on the gameplay.

# ... — Guest 2007-09-01 06:44

the only reason they'd have multiple dvds is because ppl refuse to believe blu-ray is the future of gaming. they love their 360s so much they're willing to have 5 dvds which would make the game much more expensive for them. but do they care? no! they're still stuck in their little world where their precious little xbox is too awesome for anything else. If microsoft put it on hddvd it might be ok but NO! You xbots don't want anything that is unfamiliar to you.

# . — mreverdred01 2007-09-01 06:54

Why does everybody keep on complaining about the gameplay? Even though there's only 2 buttons that attack, there's tons of combos and other attacks you can do like grabbing things and throwing them at people. I played the demo and I think it's fine. I don't understand how they could use 10GB of audio, though. Is it like extreme surround sound throughout the entire game? I saw that one making of video where they said that for every sound the objects in the game make like swords, they made a ton of variations, but I still can't see how it would be 10GB of compressed audio.

# Oh please — Guest 2007-09-01 06:56

Why can't guys like you ever respond without insults and name calling? For your information, I don't have an XBox or a 360, and the last time I checked, so-called XBots do.

The point I'm making is that the quality of the gameplay is FAR more important than the quality of the cutscenes or the size of a game. If Heavenly Sword was a 10/10 game which took up half the space on Blu-ray, I would take that over an 8/10 game which fills Blu-ray EVERY TIME!

# ... — Guest 2007-09-01 07:03

im sorry but you sounded like the thousands of xbots who come over here to the ps3 site every 5 seconds to find nonexistent reasons to bash any console that isn't made by microsoft.

# Uncompressed audio — Guest 2007-09-01 07:15

that explains the space.

# omg — Guest 2007-09-01 07:18

read the article.

it says everything compressed

# push it to the limit? — Guest 2007-09-01 07:27

Please god don't let this game suck!

I know Ninja Theory is bulls*itting when they say they had to cut content out with it compressed and all that to promote blu ray's pointless existance in the PS3, but I really desperately want a decent game to play on my near worthless PS3! It's just sitting in the closet collecting dust becasue I don't want to break down and get a s*itty game like Motorstorm or Resistance!

I hope and pray to god it gets better than that demo was! The creator of Dead or Alive was right when he said it was half assed!

# I don't believe it — Guest 2007-09-01 07:30

I've seen developpers work miracles with space in the N64 era where they were limited to a fraction of what the other systems had. The GameCube did it too. Just look at Resident Evil 4.

There are short-cuts that can be made, new algorithms for sound, texture workarounds, cutting of unessesary material, etc. that can save tonnes of space.

Of course this takes time and requires some serious thought to be put into thinking outside the box. If the space is there, why would the developper work on making the game any smaller.

My guess is that they could make Heavenly Sword 95+% of what it is now on the XBOX360 if they took the time to really rethink their use of space.

# lol — Guest 2007-09-01 07:38

who cares? this game sucks anyways, the devlopers that made this game, used to be owned by M$, they sold them off because they made such poor quality games, and as u can see from the scores review sites are giving it, they are continuing their "crappy" trend.

# Ha — Guest 2007-09-01 07:57

Have you seen the score reviews, they gave this game nothing but great reviews, but just to refresh your your brain which has apparently caught the RROD disease:

Game Informer 8.75 of 10

IGN 7.0 of 10

GamePro 4.5 of 5 Editor's Choice

# gamepro... — Guest 2007-09-01 08:15

Gamepro is the only review source to trust, and their score says it all, 4.5/5.0(aka, `f'u`c'k.ing great)

# Yeah... — Shatterdome 2007-09-01 08:43

I agree with TheEnd....really, they should have tried to make the game more then 6 hours long.

It's pretty sad if they are filling up BD already and can only get 6 hours of gameplay out of it....

# I agree... — Shatterdome 2007-09-01 08:47

I think they are just being lazy, and as you said why bother using extra time for compression when you don't have to.

We'll see if it's truly packed when the full game comes out and people take a look at the disc.

But I see why PS3 needs BD though, as it's not able to do cinematic quality in-engine cutscenes, so they need that space for pre-rendered cutscenes...

I think they should have tried to make it more then 6 hours....which is an afternoon of gameplaying for most people.

# Go buy — Guest 2007-09-01 08:48

Warhawk!

# theendishigh — Guest 2007-09-01 09:15

there is still tuns on gameplay , and why yo makin it sound like its all cutscenes coz it aint. ive played the demo and it was great even though it was short , im goin to buy this game

# ... — Guest 2007-09-01 09:17

agreed

# lol you are the biggest idiot on earth — Guest 2007-09-01 09:19

your so dumb, you must be gay

# err.... — Guest 2007-09-01 09:34

Shatterdome

why dont you go play a 360 game?? any 360 game? and see how long it lasts before you complete it?? oh not long?? thats because its on dvd9!!! devs can only compress so much before they cant compress no more hence the need for a bigger storage medium!!! its like a certain game that m$ brought out that they ran out of space so they couldnt fit on changing weather!!! at least sony looked at the ps3 and thought 'mmm gonna need a bigger storage disc for this!!!' maybe if you stopped running your mouth and did research about what you re gobbing off about it would help. the 360 devs are struggling with getting compressed content onto dvd9's!!! can i also mention the higher the compression rate, the slower the loading times!!!

# re: Gamerfeed — Guest 2007-09-01 10:17

Gamerfeed, if you reading now, remember when i said that "bluray is the only way, dvd's can't hold much for next generation titles" in one of my posts, and you started to blaming me, you called me a "ps3 fanboy who has very little understanding of technology" and you said " dvd's are perfect for next generation titles" So seems like i was right and YOU have misunderstandin g of technology. Next time think before you write.

# ....... — Guest 2007-09-01 10:30

like if ninja gaiden sigma wasn't half assed, and resistance is a fun shooter, especially if u play wit friends, damn loner

# is that simple — Guest 2007-09-01 10:36

dvd9 = 7.95 gigabytes

bluray= 50 gigabytes, much faster data transfer rate

multiple discs for xbox360 games = impossible (imagine 10 dvd's for heavenly sword - creepy!)

Damn microsoft is totally f*cked

# dasfgdsg — Guest 2007-09-01 10:37

dude they only made one game for ms which was only published by them, not owned, they hav only made 2 known games, not alot for a trend to start off of one game

# not possible on DVD — Guest 2007-09-01 10:54

of course they wouldn't be able to put it on multiple DVDs. if just the sound is 10GBs then there's no way they can do it, unless they seperate the possible sounds in a certain part of the game to a certain DVD that has the rest of that certain area of the game on it.... , but even then, they would have to have copies of sound files on each DVD for each area, or else there would be no sound, let alone graphics....

# PS3 Fantard — Guest 2007-09-01 11:26

He doesn't own a ps3, he's just trying to start a flame war

# I was wrong — Guest 2007-09-01 11:30

Fine, you guys were right, I'm a moron. It's just that my broke ass can't afford a ps3. And my 360 is inthe shop.....sorry for lash8ng out.

# You caught me — Guest 2007-09-01 11:39

I don't own a Ps3.....but even if I did.......(sigh), what's the use....my 360 is RROD. I'm just jealous. I'm gonna try to get on....but I can't afford it from buying my 360 that bricked.

# ... — Guest 2007-09-01 11:49

Oh course Heavenly Sword is not possible on DVD. It has a whole 6 hours of gameplay. DVD could only hold 30 minutes, LMFAO.

If you stripped another regional data out of the disc, compressed the audio, compressed the cut scenes and optimized the game it would easily fit on a DVD. But whatever helps PS3 owners sleep at night.

# Silly Wabbit... — Guest 2007-09-01 11:58

I have the game [pre-release special I won] and The game is awesome. Sure, it gets tedious [Same type of Enemies over and over aagain] but what makes it fun is trying to master different combo's for different enemy groups. The boss battles are a freakin hoot. I knew from the get-go that the game was short but it's fun as hell. I plan on beating it on every mode for xtra specials!

# Wait, what? — Guest 2007-09-01 12:40

So the reason gamepro is the only review source to trust is because it gave the game a high score?

I don't know, I only trust gamespot myself.

# ... — Guest 2007-09-01 12:45

as long as the ps3 gets games like heavenly sword people like you device will never sleep... imagine your sleepless nights when god of war 3 is out...

# ... — Guest 2007-09-01 14:00

Yes poor me. Off to pay Stranglehold (full game).

# ... — Guest 2007-09-01 14:03

Yes poor me. Off to *PLAY* Stranglehold (full game).

# ! — Guest 2007-09-01 14:15

ummm god of war 2 is superior to heavenly sword in many ways and fits on a DVD9!

# Um — Guest 2007-09-01 14:34

Were like talking about high def games, god of war 2 wasnt a high def (thus requiring it to need as much space).

# Questin — Guest 2007-09-01 15:00

Is this game using single or dual layer?

# I think — Guest 2007-09-01 15:59

Most people complain about the brevity of the game. Six hours just doesn't cut it. This is a rental at best

# ..... — Guest 2007-09-01 17:26

do you beleive everything they tell you?

# ..... — Guest 2007-09-01 17:32

God of war 2 was the ***** i dont care if the graphics are super amazing and its the best high def game, i want gameplay and story and good graphics, but not just amazing graphics and no gameplay. this has story but it severly lags behind the God of War series i would play that any day over this

# Yo — Apu 2007-09-01 18:14

You havent even played this game yet and from what I've seen this is Kratos without balls.

# Answer — Guest 2007-09-01 18:17

It appears the game is using single-layer Blu-ray discs. dual-layer ones seem to be MIA for developers. Then again, dual-layer + pricier for us all.

# Single — Guest 2007-09-01 18:25

Most likely single. cause 60GB is a lot of space to take up, I doubt they have filled up 60 GB. If they did, then they were lazy when it came to coding it.

# Um — Apu 2007-09-01 18:49

I think that you mean 50, because Blu-Ray's dual layer is 50 Gb. Question, how long will Blu-Ray last because I heard that they were making a disk that can hold up to 100 GB.

# LOOK AT ALL THESE XBOTS — Guest 2007-09-01 22:03

MUahhahahaha I pawn all of you and your family and your money and your mom and your dad, especially your mom's ass

LMAO I own all your bases all your little puny greens.

Great to have dumb bots like you all. Can't believe windows didnt teach any of your little puny brains, instead it brainwashed all of ur little non-existent IQ.

Give all your money to me, so i can take back my title as the richest man on this dumb***** planet full of these dumb***** xbots.

# ... — Guest 2007-09-01 22:09

I agree, i am one of your bots, and funny all these xbots havent even played the game, or might not ever get to play and they makin so much noises like those *****es on the streets.

You did a good job in brainwashing them bill, you are my god!!!

ALL HAIL BILL GATES!!!

ALL HAIL MICROSOFT!!!!

# LOL! You pathetic idiot! — Guest 2007-09-01 23:29

The fact that you think this proves anything only shows how stupid you are. It reallu does. LOL!

I can't remember which topic we had that discussion, but since you have the quotes, then you must have found it. So post it here so that we can ALL read what was said and in what context.

The point I raise in that thread (if I recall), is that DVD is enough for next-gen games, and that people saying it's not (i.e. you) are just as dumb as those saying Blu-ray isn't needed.

For example, if 'The Darkness' was a PS3 exclusive, the devs could ALSO say it was not possible on DVD, because the PS3 version has full TV shows within the game. This would be too big for one DVD, hence the 360 version only has small clips of TV shows. And yet this game IS on the 360, and from IGN's head-to-head, is graphically slightly better than the PS3 version.

Heavenly Sword is no different, with 10GB for audio alone and large amounts of non-gamplay data (i.e. cutscenes).

TheEndIsNigh said it perfectly in the first post in this topic, you should read it and try to understand it.

# I love DVD — Guest 2007-09-01 23:42

Im so glad MS put a dvd drive in the 360, I dont want

to download 50GBs of cut scenes and duplicate data.

DVDRs are cheap.

# You clueless fool — Guest 2007-09-01 23:47

Why are you assuming HS is 50GB? At present, all PS3 games are shipped on single-layer 25GB disks, which includes HS. So this game is filling 25GB, not 50GB. No doubt PS3 games in future will start using the 50GB disks (perhaps MGS4), but not yet. The moment the first PS3 game is shipped on a 50GB disk, it will make headlines, just like the first 1080p game! The fact that this hasn't happened means they are all still 25GB. That's common sense mightmare, something you obviously lack.

As for Blu-ray's transfer rate. Again you show your ignorance. The 2x Blu-ray drive in the PS3 is SLOWER than the 12x DVD drive in the 360. That's a fact. The devs say this, the specs say this. So whay are you ignoring the facts?

For example, this is what Bethesda had this to say about bringing Oblivion from the 360 to the PS3;

http://www.gamese*****ch.com/2007/01/ps3_oblivion_seeing_double_to.php

""Drive speed matters more to me [than capacity], and Blu-ray is slower", with EGM revealing that "the PS3 Oblivion team compensated for the slower drive by duplicating data across the Blu-ray disc, making it faster to find and load.""

Other devs have compensated for the SLOWER Blu-ray drive by allowing games to dump 4-5GB of data onto the HDD to speed up load times.

Look it up, Blu-ray is slower. EVERYONE who has a clue about the technology in both consoles knows this. Only dumb fanboys like yourself do not.

>"Damn microsoft is totally f*cked"

Nope, only you are, in the head.

# Dam QJ for breaking links :) — Guest 2007-09-02 00:02

My link above was www.g-a-m-e-s-e-t-w-a-t-c-h.com (without all the '-'), but it spells out t-w-a-t in the middle. :)

So here's an alternative;

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item+7715

(Before 7715, change the plus character to equals in the link to make it work, QJ changes the link for some reason).

"The Xbox 360 uses a 12x DVD drive with transfer speeds at 16MB/second, whereas Sony are using a 2x speed BD drive, with speeds of 9 MB/second."

That's not entirely correct, but shows that the fact that the 360's DVD drive is faster than the Blu-ray drive in the PS3 is common knowledge.

I say it's not entirely correct because DVD reaches it's maximum speed at the outer edge of the disk. Hence the inner most track is about 8 MB/second, but after the first GB of data is read, the 360 drive gets progressively faster than the PS3's Blu-ray, averaging about 30-40% faster overall.

# Ok, I've found it. Yep, you are as dumb as I remember. — Guest 2007-09-02 00:22

Here it is;

http://xbox360.qj.net/GCDC-2007-PS3-s-UT3-will-benefit-from-Gears-of-War/pg/49/aid/100680

So you DID read my post afterall and yet you didn't reply. Obviously you were unable to, and now that another devs has said what a few others have said in the past (Factor 5 said Lair couldn't be done on DVD, so it's NOTHING NEW KID), you NOW feel brave enough to respond.

But thanks for reminding me of how stupid you are, because in that thread, you claimed the PS3 was twice as powerful as the 360 (don't laugh guys), that UT3 will be using 7 SPEs (when the maximum is 6 for PS3 games), that DVDs can't hold much for next-gen games (despite Bioshock being a better and longer game than Heavenly Sword), that is 2 years ALL PS3 games will be using ALL the PS3's power (again, don't laugh everyone), and now you're saying Blu-ray in the PS3 is faster than DVD in the 360.

You are clueless on so many levels.

So, will you respond now mightmare, or will do what you did before, i.e. wait a week and respond somewhere else when you feel brave enough because of something you're read?

# Oh I see now, you DID respond... — Guest 2007-09-02 00:32

...but in keeping with the stupidity of your dumb post, you responded in the wrong place. So I guess I better scan the end of this thread each time to see if you reply THERE!

BTW, I've responded in that thread now that I've seen it.

# BD full at 25 Gig of 50 gig? — na2rul 2007-09-02 01:24

As a ps3 owner, im still aware of ninja thy promoting Bluray. 4 yrs better deliver mate

# Bluray Vs DVD9 : Insurrection — Guest 2007-09-02 01:44

ahh...the constant blu-ray vs dvd9 flame wars...

you all are retards...can't afford the PS3?

Stay the f**k off the PS3 boards....

Don't like the 360?

Stay the f**k off the 360 boards...senseless morons.

And here I used to think it was all about the games...

# 25GB — Guest 2007-09-02 02:37

If it was 50GB, they would have said.

# you shouldn't talk — Guest 2007-09-02 02:41

unless you know your facts. blu-ray 2x is slower than dvd 12x. i thought everyone knew that by now. and like he says, this game is filling up 25gb blu-ray. we dont have 50gb ps3 games yet.

# I see — Guest 2007-09-02 02:49

cant read flame wars without getting angry?

then stay the f**k off the boards instead of acting like a moron yourself.

try flower arranging instead.

# dunno if im getting slagged here but, — Guest 2007-09-02 03:16

im gonna say this anyway!!

when i was on about loading times i wasnt on about transfer rates between dvd/bluray to console!!!

i was on about loading times and if you have a massive compression ratio then its gonna take more time for the console to decompress and read the data!!!

# It's not as simple as that — Guest 2007-09-02 03:54

Loading times depend more on the transfer speed than decompression. Even with higher compression ratios, the times for the CPUs to decompress the data is not going to increase significantly. Hence the biggest difference is made by the speed of the storage medium, not the decompression time.

But going back to the post you made earlier, how long do you think Oblivion takes to complete on the 360? Afterall, you said take ANY 360 game. Now look at Heavenly Sword, which is bigger than every 360 game (except Blue Dragon) and yet Heavenly Sword, with it's 6-7 hours gameplay, is shorter than any 360 game that I know of.

So the idea than the length of a game is determined by it's size on a disk is rubbish. Yes the bigger a game then the more 'likely' it is to be longer, but it's not a rule in general.

Each has it's pros and cons. The pro for Blu-ray is it's capacity, but the con is it's slower speed. So devs try to overcome this by either duplicating the same data across the disk (as they did for Oblivion) or copying large amounts of data onto the HDD, as seen in a number of PS3 games. The pro of DVD on the 360 is it's speed (up to 80% faster than Blu-ray!), but it's con is it's smaller capacity. So devs try to compensate for this through compression, multiple disks, less levels, and other methods.

Neither format (DVD or Blu-ray) are perfect, but BOTH are idea for next-gen games.

# . — Guest 2007-09-02 04:05

No I swear my PS3 is in the closet! I only have one HDMI on my TV and my 360 is plugged into it. So why use the PS3 when I have no games to play on it other than PS2 games? It just gets dusty when I leave it out.

# . — Guest 2007-09-02 04:08

But I'm not an XBOT! I'm just sick of these stupid lies trying to justify blu ray in the PS3! I don't care! Just give me a decent game that I can't get on my 360 already.

# I give up — Guest 2007-09-02 05:10

im retarded and im going to go buy a 360 right now.

# ^^^Imposter :) — Guest 2007-09-02 05:21

I'll wait for the REAL mightmare to turn up. :)

# .. — Guest 2007-09-02 05:55

Then you must be an idiot for buying a 600 dollar console for it to collect dust.

# Geeze.. — Guest 2007-09-02 06:59

Can we get some new articles in here, instead of ones recycled from weeks ago.

To summarize from the last time. Yes 7.1 takes more space.. No, lossless isn't the same as uncompressed.. Yes they are inclluding over half a dozen different languages there, which is convenient to the publisher. No it isn't really required, and audio for a single language should easily fit on one DVD. Would the rest? Who knows, they didn't tell us.. Could you make the game by spaning multiple DVDs? Probably..

Now that is dispensed with, can we get some real news?

# gameplay — Guest 2007-09-02 07:58

something xbots dont know is that heavenly sword has a gameplay of 14 hours in easy modes and we can expect harder mode than ninjagaidens masterninja mode

# ^^^That's BS kd — Guest 2007-09-02 08:05

The reviews I 've read says the game is short, they say the gameplay is 6-7 hours. Even if it's more than that, it's not going to be DOUBLE that time for experienced gamers. So stop lying, because you came up with 14 hours yourself!

# Yep — Guest 2007-09-02 08:12

:)

;)

# Microsoft is sooo selfish bastaards. — Guest 2007-09-02 10:09

If microsft had HD DVD built in it would have not only helped HD-DVD format but it would have been great for gamers and game developers. For gamers they would expect more hours of gameplay and game developers they wouldn't have much limits to what they can create.

Microsoft rushed the 360 for christmas because they realised more money can be made during christmas time. To microsoft it was all about the money not about gamers. The failure rate is just unbeliaveble, no other console in history has ever had such failure rate.

# Really? It seems to me you're the selfish one actually. — Guest 2007-09-02 10:44

Would you have been prepared to pay $150 or so MORE for your HD-DVD 360? Because that's what it would have done to the cost of the console (i.e $550 or more), and gamers like you would then be complaining about the cost (as they did about the 360 until the PS3 price was announced).

MS didn't create HD-DVD, but Sony created Blu-ray, so it wasn't a problem for Sony to add Blu-ray to their console. MS didn't have that luxury for a format which wasn't even released at the time of the 360's launch.

So I think Games4james says it best when he says Blu-ray and DVD have their pros and cons. The same would be true for HD-DVD (more capacity, but slower drive and more expensive).

So imo, DVD was a good decision by MS. It kept the price of the 360 down by using a drive which is faster than the current Blu-ray and HD-DVD drives, and it hasn't stopped great games being created, with the latest being Bioshock.

Yes the failure rate is poor, but the extended warranty covers that now, so it's not a problem for gamers, it's just a nuisense.

# stfu is bashing — Guest 2007-09-02 13:13

you people complain too much about pointless ***** that doesnt even relate to this article STFU up already

# Wow thats funny — Guest 2007-09-02 16:07

Before this comment by aad, everyone on the internet pretty much agreed that Gamepro was like the sewer system of game review mags. I guess when someone tells you what you want to hear, it makes you look at them differently.

# whatever — Guest 2007-09-02 16:15

Oblivion:100+hours, one dvd (under 4 gigs no less)

Saints Row:30+hours, one dvd

Dead Rising:20+ hours, one dvd (days and days if you plan on doing everything in the game)

Forza 2: 50++hours, one dvd (weeks if you plan to unlock everything)

Also, not all of these games have slow loading times.

Thats just a few off the top of my head. Lets compare to:

Heavenly Sword:6 hours, full BR

Lair:-10 hours, full BR (flopped hard might I add)

Motorstorm: What, 6 or 7 tracks? Full BR (Also flopped pretty hard)

Please do some research before you slam things you know nothing about.

# Mightmare needs to do research. — Guest 2007-09-02 16:19

The Bluray drive in the PS3 is 2x, which is much much slower than the 12x DVD drive in the 360. This is why a lot of games are taking up so much space on the bluray, they put their data in several different places on the disk. Devs at Bethesda said Oblivion on the PS3 might not have been possible if they couldnt do this, due to the slow speed of the Bluray drive.

# Wow... — RexNox 2007-09-02 16:39

Some of the posters here are out of their minds.

The IGN UK (I think that was the one where they said it had 6-7 hours of gameplay) was obviously biased.

For me, they killed their credibility by being the FIRST ever reviewer to complain about diversity in a game.

# Yeah obviously — Guest 2007-09-02 17:48

Giving 7/10 for a game you haven't played other than a demo at most is obviously biased. *rolleyes*

EDGE magazine gave it 6/10, I guess they're obviously biased too. Eurogamer gave it 7/10, oops, obviously biased. 1UP gave it 8/10, probably biased but less obvious.

Play Magazine gave it 10/10, now that's better, they are obviously not biased. ;)

# re:Gamerfeed — Guest 2007-09-03 00:55

I said it before, and ill said it again (i hope you understand this time) why complaining about read rates, PS3 allows you to install games on hard drive, right? (im sure for that i own a ps3 and i have installed my games on ps3's hdd) and hdd read rate is 100 mb/s (megabyte not megabit)

2: 6 or 7 cores, cell has more power no matter how many cores it has

3: just wait and we'll see

4 why you called me a pathetic idiot, you dont know me at all

5 ps3 is better to me, i hope you respect that

6 Thetruth, tell me what do you think hdd is faster than dvd (you must be on drugs, i remember a guy with the same name on gta san andreas)

7 hdd's are much faster than any dvd or bluray (that's why

pc games are loading so fast)

# Another list...ok ;) — Guest 2007-09-03 05:09

1. SOME PS3 games allow you to install SOME of the data (about 4-5GB) onto the HDD to improve load times. They do this because Blu-ray is slower than DVD.

They do not install the whole game! As a PS3 owner, you should KNOW this (name the games you've installed and I'll tell you how much is being copied to the PS3 HDD!). The fact that you think it's the whole game being installed proves what I said about you being clueless. Sorry but it's true. :(

2. It is 6 cores ONLY for games. That's a fact that any dev can tell you, and memory is taken up by the OS, not the firmware, so like I said, stop listening to people speculating on forums and stick to the facts.

As for power, Cell (thanks to 6 SPEs) has theoretically twice the arithmetic processing power for games compared to the 360's Xenon processor, however Xenon has 3 cores for running general branching code compared to just one on Cell (PPE), which gives it at least twice the power for running game code (not 3 times as some may believe).

I know what I'm talking about mightmare, which is why I get irritated by your posts and your assumptions that you're right even when you're clearly wrong!

3. Yes we'll see.

4. I called you that based upon the comments in your posts, and I stand by it, since you're still making the same kind of comments. That said, I apologise for the harshness of some of my replies, but I do find it annoying when gamers like yourself assume you're right and produce false 'facts'!

5. I respect everyone's opinions, and I respect you preferring the PS3, but when people like yourself are wrong about the facts to the point of practically lying, even if you don't mean to lie (such as claiming the PS3 is twice as powerful as the 360, that 7 SPEs are used in UT3, that Blu-ray 2x is faster than DVD 12x, that HS is 50GB etc), then I can't respect your reasoning on the issue.

6. Thetruth didn't say anything wrong, like me he said Blu-ray is slower than DVD in the consoles, and he's right. It was you who was wrong to say it's the reverse. Yes HDD is faster, we all know that, but like I said, only 4-5GB of data from *some* PS3 games can be installed onto the HDD, not the whole game (except demos or downloadable games).

7. That's correct. But as said, the PS3 uses the HDD to improve load times by copying SOME of the data, not all of it (remember, current PS3 games are now up to 25GB in size!).

So that's it mightmare, I repeat what I said in this and the other thread, that BOTH Blu-ray AND DVD are suitable for next-gen games. BOTH have their advantages and dis-advantages (which I've listed), and therefore BOTH are allowing devs to create great next-gen games for us gamers to play.

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