Haze developer Free Radical prefers working with Sony than Microsoft |
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Littlewood explained that the difference actually lies on how Sony and Microsoft conduct their businesses. In a nutshell, Sony gives developers more freedom while Microsoft tends to have detailed and specific instructions. The creative director shared:
It's a fundamental difference in philosophy between Sony and Microsoft. You see it in all of their libraries and their tech support, as well. Sony very much, y'know, let you just go at it, whereas Microsoft provide a lot more structure and a lot more libraries for you.
Derek Littlewood then admitted that Free Radical prefers working with Sony than Microsoft. He claimed that they understand the advantages of having specific instructions to follow and the downside of having too much freedom, but it's just that Sony's style works for them better:
You see some games with the Live interface, [where] they might have been able to innovate and alter things round and make things work better than Live, but they can't because they have to conform with Microsoft's standards on that, whereas on the PlayStation Network you have the freedom to do things in the way you want to.
It was reported before that Haze publisher Ubisoft recently removed the Xbox 360 and PC versions of the game from its official release list. The PS3 version, on the other hand, is scheduled to be released this coming November.
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Good for them. Work with sony and sell less games. I own a ps3 and Im still not gonna buy this game. I have better stuff to play.
I agree who cares?, this is pointless news I have no doubt if you asked another company they would say the opposite and another would say Nintendo etc etc etc
I guess we will see how much better Haze's multi is when it is finally released. Here's to me guessing it will be no better then what is already available on PS3 (or XBL/360). I bet it will not innovate any on the MULTi aspects of gaming. I find it very hard to believe that XBL will hold any developer's multiplayer intentions back. More times then none, it will improve it, and thats why there is a standard to be met.
1ST.................yeah sony =freedom,
microsoft= slavery
having to pay for alotta dumb shyt and expecting you to got to the store to replace your broken piece of shyt box 711 every 3 hours
thaz bullshyt
Sony doesn't really help developers too much and needs the games badly so they'll do whatever they can to get them!
Microsoft wants quality control and good Live compatibilty.
I don't care what they think either way.
Chances are the true story was more like MS had standards that Haze couldnt meet, so they just said "screw you, we will go to sony and release it". They then asked sony "Sony, can we put this low standard game on your failstation3?" and sony replied "Sure, do whatever you want. We already sold our forced format onto our customers, we dont really care what you do now"
And chances are this game will suffer from the usual failstation problems like framerate issues, low quality textures, and boring gameplay (much like RFoM). It will just be another below average scoring game that the starving ps3 fanboys will eat up like crumbs on the floor. Oh well, thats sony fantards for you.
You forgot not knowing if online will be included in PS3 games cos devs have to sort all that stuff themselves.
And since when did Sony + freedom?
All I hear in games shops are grand ma's and grandma's saying 'ohh lets buy little jonny a praystation I hear they are da cooliest ting going!'.
Word up buy both then post monkey boy.
i must agree with Aoxomamoxoa he has a point! lol this game looks gay anyhow
Man why all the hate? The framerate looks smooth and the game looks hot. Read on what they're doing with the games. It's got a lot of new things they're doing for the genre. Don't knock it 'till u try it.
that even though MS has standards with game developers they cannot get their own crap straight. Oh and where in the world is the freaking frame rate prob in RFoM. Man you people make stuff up........
I was talking more along the lines of boring gameplay when mentioning RFoM. I dunno what your idea of fun is, but spawning and then immediately dying due to spawn campers in every game isnt really a fun way to play multiplayer. Im sure your reply to that will be something along the lines of "well you just suck at RFoM then"...no, I dont suck, RFoM sucks. When other games come out for the ps3 that do FPS multiplayer right then you will realize just how bad RFoM sucks. Dont hold your breath though, I hear it might be 2009 before ps3 gets a game worth owning.
RFoM has a semi steady framerate, with only a few instances of slowdown and dropage here and there. But the textures are terrible even at 1080p and even the most basic things such as hit detection and headshots are nonexistant. One day you will feel embarrassed that you actually defended this garbage title.
are u all right??
read more news and when write...
sony helps publishers to make the game better(look at UT3...)...
they want that their games are better than the MS version.. and the ps3 games are better xbox versions...
look @fight night... the bloom on 360 are really too high... not so realistic like the ps3 version...
think about what you said...
proof if ever it was needed that you don't have a PS3, Resistance doesn't play at 1080p you ass its a 720p game.
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While I love both my Xbox and PS3...id have to say in this case, there are reasons for having standards to conform to. By forcing people to these standards you create a uniform architecture.
It's cool Sony offers freedoms, but it doesnt add to a cohesive online system.
I guess we'll just have to see how it all pans out.
I would say both types of support/management have their ups and downs:
1) Strict standards and boundaries can sometimes stifle creativity. On the other hand, these can be good for enforcing uniformity
2) Laid-back oversight can sometimes lead to a lack of standards (case in point, Microsoft's Internet Explorer). On the other hand, it can be really good for encouraging creativity.
"PSN ID: AoXomAmoXoA"
I thought, a few weeks ago, your PSN ID was "Sublime1985". What happened to that? Did you happen to forget the lie you made up?
Good morning AxSxSxMxIxLxK and Ms. Cummin Cents.
Haze is just another FPS in a saturated genre. I can care less, but as each and every day goes by, developers who produce the XBlowx711's holy grail of gaming genres, FPS, are slowly jumping ship.
QC and compatibility is not in the hands of M$. They might have guidelines but that's where the line is drawn. If you take a look at the Nintendo GC, did you ever notice how they barely had any games for the mature crowd? That's why they failed...they set the standards. They tried to control what direction the industry was going and failed doing it; M$ seems to be doing the same with thing it's XBL.
Sure, XBL is better maintained and has had a longer history of success...but what makes you think Sony's PSN won't be the Firefox of online console networks? It's open-ended, free, and has plenty of potential since Sony is constantly evolving their firmwares to include new features and fix bugs. Sony is definitely on a roll, and can soon surpass what M$ can offer.
anywho... check out this game which is coming to the PC
http://www.fl-tw.com/Infinity/
I'm sure because XBL has rules and regulations to follow, multi development goes by a lot quicker, because they help devs and devs just do a lot of the stuff simply by the book. Also they can filter out sub-par stuff from getting onto Live. But the negative side about this control is that there are certain things devs might want to experiment with, but that might not coincide with Live regulations. Since Sony doesn't care, this obstacle is non-existent. Also Microsoft wants to keep Live as lucrative as possible, so they want to have really close control over their stuff so that they can sell it online. This can be seen in dev interviews for UT3. In the end, both parties offer something pretty special.
Aoxoas;ldkn;lkn is probably right. I mean, looking at quality games like Vampire Rain and Tenchu Z, you can tell that Microsoft will only let the best of the best games onto their systems. Honestly, if you put it the way you did, it really makes you sound like a "desperate M$ fantard". In order to reply to your statement in the same vernacular, "go take your X-bore 360 and play your crappy Gay of War!!! PS3 ftw!!!!"
That's what the kids say these days, right?
you dont spawn in the same place each time you die, you spawn at random locations so know one is going to know where you spawn the next time
It's only $60 now if you have homebrew psp.
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Haze could be just another FPS, but from what we've seen it does have the potential of great story. It also is going to have drop in drop out 4 man co-op which will be a blast.
But yes I could see the hassle in MS telling a company you need these things in your game to work with Live. Live's standards though aren't something I completely get yet though. The online systems in many of the games I play on Live vary way to much.
The PSN + Firefox thing though I found to be genius. And the machine supports Linux to so it's like the MS screwing machine lol.
Sony is their way to catering enthusiasts of the free market. Keep on trucking!
2 things dude:
1. You do suck in resistance
2.If you've actually played you would no about the ranked games
Its funny that you mention two old ps2 game franchises (Tenchu and Vampire Rain) when you bash MS. In all actuality youre only bashing Sony since theyre the ones that supported those god awful kind of games for so long.
It was Sublime1985, but I changed it to match my QJ name. Also, you dont even have a ps3 yourself, otherwise you could easily send me a message or friend request and see that I do in fact have a ps3. Chances are it is YOU who is without the ps3, am I correct? Of course I am.
Ever notice why the regulars and registered users never say "I bet you dont even have a ps3 aoxo!!"? I'll give you a hint, theyre on my friends list on psn, moron.
Its so easy to check and see if I in fact have a ps3, all you have to do is message my name on PSN. Or the other option is you could continue to look like a dumbass, its up to you.
Haze creators to microsoft
Haze - OK, so you gave 50 mil to gta4 developers, how much do we get if we port the game?
Microsoft - LOL as if we needed you and your bad halo 3 competitor!!! you wanna make money, do the game and pay the rights, we dont need ya ur game is not half as good as gta
Haze - ....... (tears) come on!!! just half million
Microsoft - were gona think about it
Haze creators to microsoft
Haze - OK, so you gave 50 mil to gta4 developers, how much do we get if we port the game?
Microsoft - LOL as if we needed you and your bad halo 3 competitor!!! you wanna make money, do the game and pay the rights, we dont need ya ur game is not half as good as gta
Haze - ....... (tears) come on!!! just half million
Microsoft - were gona think about it
If I was without a PS3 or a 360, why would I bother coming on these forums?
"Ever notice why the regulars and registered users never say"
-> Actually, a number of them often still do. Which leads me to believe you are lying.
"Its so easy to check and see if I in fact have a ps3, all you have to do is message my name on PSN."
-> And I could do that. But why would I want to add such an opinionated and biased idiot to my friends' list?
Anyway, since you've raised the question of whether I have a PS3 or not, I'll go ahead and answer your question:
Yes I have a PS3, and my PSN ID is "Man The King"
Also, I have a 360, and my Gamertag is "Man The King"
Message me on either, and you'll find out I'm for real. Although I'm not sure if the same can be said for you.
Get a fricken life, you are here every hour on the hour just to make a lame comment. does it really make you feel better about yourself? When you have said that you are a woman, you didn't need to tell us your self esteem issues pour through your posts...
You have a 360 without Live? ROFL!!!!! Are you a core user too or something?
Ill send you a message later today on PSN to put your doubts to rest that I indeed own a failstation3.
360FTW!!!
if sony provides freedom that dosent means quality of online games will get low
This is why we have cross game invites and messages available from any application. This is also why we have acheivements and game lists that can be viewed and compared from anywhere.
This is why microphones work the same way in all online games....
Sorry, but I like the way microsoft is standardizing everything.
Free radical can blow it out it's ass with it's Halo wanna be game....
tisk tisk thinker, you lied. You dont own a ps3 do you? Because, I checked for the ID "mantheking" (since you cant have spaces in your name, fool) and guess what...it doesnt exist. No wonder why you think I dont own a ps3, you have no way of checking for yourself because you dont even own one! You got my hopes up for nothing, shame on you!
first of all this game looks better than halo 3 and bioshock seacondly shiiitbox 360 cannot hold this game this game is allways compared to ctysis and thats why xbots suffer poor xbots and to remind u ps3 dosent have red rings of death in every 3 hours but shiitbox360 has
Microsoft wants quality control haha if quality control was top priority people wouldn't have broken 360 every month
1. Vampire Rain is not an old PS2 franchise. Its brand new IP. And Tenchu did not suck on the PS1 and 2. (Definitely not as much as Tenchu Z)
2. Haze is looking pretty good and is trying to differentiate itself from other FPS. With the whole Nectar/battlefield sanitisation thing going on, it looks pretty interesting and if that extends to multiplayer its going to be just as innovative as a game like Gears.
3. The only reason you have something against Free Radical is because they said something good about Sony... So you have to spin it to make M$ look good.
It's really not much of a surprise to hear this. If you look at how Microsoft Windows has been run for, well, forever as opposed to how Linux or Unix are 'distributed' you arrive at a simple conclusion: Microsoft likes to be in control. This isn't a bad thing necessarily. Linux distributions are a tangled mess of good intention where Windows is tidy at a hefty price.
i swear somewhere in the world bill gates is jacking it while reading these comments from people who argue and stand up so much for a company he created
as for all that quality control bs... you guys think way too highly of these companies, its just business take it easy
game's not even out yet...
i'm going to reserve judgement till i read some reviews to know more about the game
some of you really need to lay off the hatorade
lol qj's feeding off all the fanboy hate with every "news" post
Windows OSs are just like the 360 they get released to soon and are full of holes than make it break and crash. It's good to wait a few years for a service pack or 2 then buy the OS.
And Vista just shows how much of control freaks MS is with their games for windows bs parade.
"needs the games badly so they'll do whatever they can to get them!"
Xcrotch360 was out a yr b4 so of crs they will hav more games. Fking GENIUS
Well said Common. Even with the open freedom they have on PSN they wont come even close to offering a better online feature set than Bungie's Halo 3. Microsoft XBL standards have taken online console gaming where it is today. And not only does the 360 have a much better online service but it has a much bigger and more active online community. Millions of people will be playing Halo 3 online for years, and Haze will be lucky if it sells a million copies.
RFoM has hella fierce gameplay. of crs u hav already been declared a fake with ur sublime PSN so u dont no how smooth and fast it plays(40-40 multiplayer!)
the beginning of this post was about how haze developers prefers to work with sony than microsoft. we are talking about the previous developers of perfecr dark n64, golden eye n64 and the makes of time splitters here. anyway my point is this, the dudes said they love the freedom of what sony allows them to do, dead box fanboys spins it around to a bunch of bullship just cause it hurts to hear that microsoft isnt making the developers do what they do freely to bring an awesome game. what does windows have to do with fvwking haze you dumb shljt. you dead box fanboys are the stupidess fvwks, first you are backing a failing system, a system that gives you a lesser experience that ps3 has to offer in terms of space content on discs, you pay for your bullships, everything, wireless net, xbl, fvwking batteries or rechargable batteries, online content. stupid fvwks. i have 3 deadbox 360s, and i useto be a big fan until i could enjoy playing games anymore cause my system breaks, my chick bought me an elite but everytime i play fvwking gears it lags like fvwkery and im constantly worried about fvwking ring of death. ohh yeah, and it gives me disc error a bunch of times. fvwk yousss and fvwk your dumb mother for raising idiots like you all are, you are making excuses for microsoft and coming up with all kind of scenarious like this is a fvwking soap opera, heres the truth 1st post fvwk face and the rest, free radical prefers to work with sony because of freedom, epic said the same fvwking thing who are the makers of my fav game at the moment which is gears when it runs. sony is for developers freedom of creativity, microsoft is not, they also make people pay for all kind of downloadable content which should have been in the game first of all . i was a nes fan until they wanted me to take steps backwards in video gaming progression and the wanted me to enjoy playing all the time with a fvwking remote and get my hands tired, fvwk that, all the games look like crap and they all suck except for zelda and prob metroid 3 with no online. microsoft, there fvwking systems keep breaking and having all kinda probs, PS3, dead box fan boys went from saying ps3 had no games to saying that ps3 is stupid for allowing developers to have freedom in making video games. anyway, ps3 came with the cell chip broad band and the rsx chip, a system that didnt give any probs, a system with games like lair heavenly sword, drakes fortune and fvwking games called killzone 2. when i saw that game, all fvwking dead box fan boys had to hate and talk shjit about that game, it was soo funny that they shut the fvwking nay sayers up. xbox cant do what ps3 can do, rsx with cell trounces on the graphics of what dead box can do, blu ray kills the dead box. get familiar dead box fan boys, ps3 is taking over cause they have a fvwking reliable system. another thing about dead box fan boys, everything you say has to contain the words halo 3. even when you are dissing the ps3, you come up with some stupid story and excuse about something then throw halo 3 in, when you talk to a true ps3 fanboy, he or her doesnt say 1 fvwking game, he says multiple games, lair, folklore, heavenly sword, drakes fortune, white knight, mgs 4, killzone 2, gran turismo 5, the get away, home sweet home, little big planet, dead box and the rest has just been killzOWNED. PS3 IS THE FUTURE AND THE FUTURE IS PS3.
PSN: na2ru1
[not na2rul]
I agree with everything. U both related?
You don't own a ps3. You are also always in the ps forum bashing out the ps3. You r as useless and pathetic as your 360
Just about every other developer says Microsoft > Sony when it comes to cooperation and ease of making the game. Who cares what Free Radical thinks?
I agree with whoever said it above, this sounds like FR admitting they can't meet MS' standards, not that they can surpass them.
I'll take universal-across-all-games voice and text chat over whatever FR wants to do with Haze.
Seriously mate put in some punctuation and paragraph breaks... trying to read that gave me a headache.
its has way better online than Gaylo#3...the beta was pretty sad
wats wrong with u xbox A$$ kissers, u know wat xbox mean, X (NO) BOX, xbox folowers r so stuborn and retarded, wake up, tell us something we dont know yet about the 360, we know halo, xbl(that u have to pay) wat r u paying for for wat, and gears of war, wat else, is that all u guys can take out of your A$$, pathidict, who ever xbox fans comment my post sucks bill gates dik, thats y they r fighting for him, he stole his friends idea and gave him not even a penny, thats wat xbox fans r, they relate to him, only poeple like gates will like him, like they say, same poeple folow the same poeple
She/he's just sore that someone 'official' said that the PS3's better than the 360 for something.
Holy hell, most of these posts are way too long for me to bother even reading, but it seems to be a bunch of e-*****/vagina waving. So what if you have a PSN/Live account and wow, it really is you. You wins the internet now huh ?
'I checked for you and you don't exist har har har, I is better than you'. The fact that people even bother checking to win an argument in the comments section of a site is just sad. Heck it's sad I'm posting this.
You people have way too much time in your hands. Go save a tree or something.
Well they only said Sony does their business better cause of how free it is
who cares if u have headache, no one cares,
nope
Yes I'm sure Haze will sell very well on the PS3. With the right marketing and a downloadable demo in the store then I'm sure they could sell up to 2 and a half million copies.
Haze is gonna rock, if you own a PS3 this will be a must have if you say otherwise you are lying and you own a X360 and are scorned that it was pulled from 360 heck so am i... regardless its not because PSN is free its because they dont have to conform to MS standards with regards to Live and the whole service itself which i think is actually a much smoother service than PSN however, PSN is also freeeeeeeee
Has everyone forgotten who FR is? The team that created GoldenEye on N64. With that said, it's no wonder they choose sony, they know the PS3 is the only machine that can truly play haze.
" This is why we have cross game invites and messages available from any application. This is also why we have acheivements and game lists that can be viewed and compared from anywhere.
This is why microphones work the same way in all online games....
Sorry, but I like the way microsoft is standardizing everything.
Free radical can blow it out it's ass with it's Halo wanna be game...."
LOL I thought you were talking about PS3 till I got down toward the bottom.
haze is also set for 360 and pc, so haze will be on XBL as well, but later then the one for the PSN. we'll see any difference that the game developer can make with the freedom of PSN and then by the rules of XBL later on. I hope more online features will be there for ps3 users.
are u serious with ur comment? 'failstation3' u said? with 0.08% failure rate compared to up to 33% plus the red ring problem for 360?? yeah right, so much for M$ quality control for what ever reason the XBL rules are for! 0.08% failure is not good but M$ sucks more with so many failure! loosing more that a billion bucks just to repair damaged 360s! the only good thing left for the 360 is its one year in advance game library but from now on, the war is in delivering new games. which console perform better will win and I have faith in ps3.
...it's 0.2% failure rate for ps3! meh...whatever!! still waaaayyy...better than 360's failure rate!
Sorry, that was Rare that created Goldeneye on N64, and Rare is owned by MS. Try again.
thats probably while one of the key members of goldeneye, David Doak left rare to start free radical. cause microsoft sucks.
aoxoman, you're name stands for a$$hole man. free radical are a bunch of dudes that useto work for rare you a$$hole man, shut you a$$hole face and get familiar. rare sucked ever since they left nintendo and the team that once was rare that is now FREE RADICAL that wants freedom in developing games are the ones responsible for aaa titles like perfect dark n64 and golden eye n64. how could a lot of you idiots think haze is going to suck? look at free radical 's previous work, they've proven themselves and are competent of making an awesome fps. anyway, FREE RADICAL PREFERS TO WORK WITH SONY cause their name is free radical and they want freedom. if a$$hole man and the dead box ones doesnt like freedom, then maybe they should move to cuba. ps3 is the future and the future is ps3.
I don't trust anything that Sony does anymore, and neither should anyone else on this board. Sony sells and markets awful awful products that never live up to the hype.
And this should come as no surprise to anyone. After all, Sony is the product of a sick and awful culture.
MS does own Rare but Rares key members have left, look at all of Rares games now, there ***** and do I want to play a Halo clone with graphics compared to Crysis? YES. PLUS the xbox community is saying Halo 3 is more like Halo 2.5, so get over urself!, the beta demo is so lame. Are Free Radicals other games lame? NO
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that enough for you?
on to buisness.
Its me from the Killzone thread.
You know, the one who wants to buy your ps3 seeing as you never use it.
How about 100$ plus shipping?
If you never use it, then you shouldnt care.
I am 100% serious.
I want a ps3, just don't have the cash.
Not that I'm poor. Its that I am below legal working age for my state (its 16 or something).
So I figured if (s)he doesn't use it, maybe (s)he can pass it on to someone who could truly appreciate it.
Please do tell, are you talking about Sonys Laptops, Sonys OLED TVs I can easily go on OR are you banging on about PS vs Xbox, crazy Ken has said some lies about 2x hdmi, more usbs and that, but MS is just as bad saying things like you dont need hdmi and games wont be more than 9gbs. I wouldnt start on me, I will shame you down to the ground.
wow when gears came out there where 6 million consoles so what are trying to say Epic was a moron no for waiting. Dote by haze im glad your not gonna buy it somebody who bashes the PS3 so much just sell it you ass.
so gears not getting extra content because of MS is fine. you cant spawn camp in RFOM its random. your ID didnt work before so how do we know you didnt find a lame friend with a PS3 to make a Name. PS3 is going to get a gamer card and Home is more like LIVE in 3D plus all those features you you claim to only be exclusive in time with every update will be on the PS3. so when the PS3 has the same and better features with lower fail rates and better games and a bigger fanbase how will the 360 fair. i see 30%-50% of all 360 owners buying a 360 in the future. Most games on the 360 is really by a stroke of luck everything accept for gears and 1st Party games which mostly sucked ass, there second installments will be on the PS3 condemned 2, saints Row 2, dead rising 2, graw2, its quite clear that the 360 has survuved by throwing there garbage system out there just to get some games before there raped by PS3.
PSN- JackBeQuick and JackBeNimble. Aoxif the PS3 sucks sooo much sell it give it away because just thinking about you owning s PS3 and not realizing its greatness makes me sick. sure games arent out yet but its not like your gonna buy any from this your to next.
They prefer working with Sony because Sony's PS3 is better!
HAH
HAHAHA
MWHUAHAHAHAHA friggin xbots, why does it have to be like this everytime some good news about sony/ps3 is posted
Well well, you checked, did you?
Did it occur to you that I might have used what's most common to separate three separate words? The underscore (_)?
Anyway, I apologize for your failed experiment. Here, try this: "Man_The_King" and then we'll talk.
The primary difference between you and me is that you'll use any strategy, most commonly lying (like MCS) to prove a point. While I might make a mistake (and if I do make a mistake, I WILL correct it), I do NOT lie.
" You have a 360 without Live?"
I'm not online on XBL all the time, mate. Unlike you, I have a job (I'm a Software Developer - Oracle Applications) and I use some spare minutes here and there to respond to people like you.
As for XBL, I paid 50+ dollars for a 12+1 month Gold connection, then I decided not to anymore as I did the calculation. If I used the 360 for 4-5 years, then that's 200-250 dollars just for the ability to play online with other players during the week. THAT is the reason why I did NOT renew my Gold subscription to XBL.
i don't agree with him on the sony product either, but ms didn't say you don't need hdmi full stop, they said you don't need hdmi for HD, and they were right. they also didn't say games won't be more than 9GBs this gen, they were responding to the claims that dvd9 is not enough for next-gen, when it clearly is, including the use of multiple disk and the hdd. Go find the quotes from ms and you will find it's different to what you claim. so before boasting about shaming people online, get your own facts right instead of believing internet gossip.
free radical was setup in 1999 by guys who left rare. ms bought rare 3 years later.
when you're ignorant of the facts, you should stfu.
and the xbox community are not saying h3 is like h2.5, those are comments from dumb ps fanboys like you. no-one has played the single player game yet because the game isn't out, but those reporters who have played some of the single-player levels are saying it's great. and when you say the beta demo is so lame you only show more ignorance. the beta was to test the network code and the weapon balance, it was not a general game test or a graphics test. most gamers on the beta were intelligent enough to know that, gamers like you are not.
"that's 200-250 dollars just for the ability to play online"
yeah, that's the cost of 4-5 games spread over 4-5 years (out of how many games you'll buy in that period?). gee, as a software developer, how can you possibly afford it. ;)
Sony is well known for its cutting edge technology any normal should know that (I cant believe im replying to this retard) Sony only made two mistakes betamax and minidisc and that was years ago. Sony learnt there lesson. MS did say 'you don't need hdmi for HD' and they was wrong, hdmi is better then component and as all HDTVs now have a hdmi ports and the Xbox Elite as one to, ill shut the ***** up. MS did say that Blu-ray was pointless as no games will be larger than 9 gbs this gen. that why there using dvd9 and as the first 3 PS3 games (F1,Rofm,MS) are over 20 gbs each, MS was wrong and so are you little boy. If you want to use multiple disks to play games thats up to you, I want next-gen, not swapping discs like I had to do on the Amiga.
thats like saying, MS wanted the best team, so they waited till Rares star players left and then bought Rare. haha do some reseach please.
Nope, I have no relation with Spector. DOTA
Yes it was Rare who produced Goldeneye 64 on the N64, but it the devs who worked on G64 was the ones who formed Free Radical Design. Do your research.
Sony lacks the ability to make reliable electronics. Things are truly not looking for for this aging company anymore. Metal Gear Solid 4 coming to the 360 will be the death knell for Sony.
Wake up Rickey and spell your name right. Sony makes unreliable products? You might want to check M$'s history with their products before you talk.
The XBlowx had an overheating issue with the heatsink being obsolete.
The XBlowx711 has the ROFL'ing Red Ring of Death.
The Zune had the DRM issue. HAHAHAHAHAHAH! 3 days, 3 plays? GG
Windows Vista is buggy as hell and written with a bad kernel.
Windows XP took SP2 and 234532342342+ updates in order to run properly.
Windows ME? HAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHA It was buggier than...
Windows 98... ROFL
Sure. MGS4 will never see light on the XBlowx711 unless a gif/jpeg of it is viewed on the console.
"Sony lacks the ability to make reliable electronics."
If you look at Microsoft's history, you'll find out that the Xbox 360 suffers from the red rings of death, overheating and suffers from at least a 33% failure rate (Maybe even more) while Windows Vista makes my games unplayable.
Sony has released quality products and the PS3 makes no exception: The failure rate is stated at a mere 0.2 chance thanks to the PS3's better cooling design. In other words you get a fully working Blu-ray and DVD playe (while the DVD player is crappy on the Xbox 360) and on and on.
"Things are truly not looking for for this aging company anymore."
Yet again, you should try and look at the statistics. PS3 has sold better than the Xbox 360 in the beginning and many people still don't realise, that Microsoft had a kick start by releasing it one year earlier (though in my opinion, they rushed the console to make it reach the christmas sales and didn't think about fixing the remaining bugs which is in this case the red rings of death and overheating.
"Metal Gear Solid 4 coming to the 360 will be the death knell for Sony."
*sigh* How many rumors do we need? Kojima already confirmed that MGS4 is a PS3 exclusive! And the fact that Konami is deciding to make their games multiplatform does not include MGS4, but rather spinoff's or possible sequels to MGS4 (I doubt it).
This is something i would have expected to hear from Mister Nonsense...
I was going to write that, but couldnt b bothered. Please dont be brainwashed by the xboxfanboys.
Haze will b good I'm sure as it's from the timespliter team.
Now we got the topic out of the way...the 360 33% death rate is the only reason u should need not 2 buy 1. MCS went on holiday th@ week so was unable 2 comment (If I'm wrong I'd love 2 know wh@ he said)
The 360 has been chewing on the disks a li'l as well. Microsoft says the 60 was not meant 2 b stood vertical even tho all the ad's from Microsoft show it this way. I know people r sayin th@ it's when u move the box when it's on but really why would u ever do this?
I got a PS3 as u may have guessed & all & who own 1 know its an expensive but well made sexy black box of trix th@ is growing stronger every day. We all know wh@ needs 2 b improved i.e PSN content & more games all round but I'm happy with wh@ I got right now.
The xbox was no better in it's 1st year out when u had nothing 2 compare it 2.
Wh@ do people think...would M$ have such a lead if all consoles were released @ the same time even with the price difference?
Wh@ does the 360 do (apart from graphix) th@ the Xbox did not? Is it really just wireless pads?
Was gonna put some pro Sony points but instead thought f**k it I'd only have 2 defend wh@ I said. My life as it is allows me time 2 chill, smoke a J, play some games or surf le net but not the time some of u have who trawl forums all day & look 4 all the ammo 2 fuel ur holy console war!
I got my PS3 4 £180 in the uk with a mobile fone deal, its cool as f**k & has (or will have) all a true gamer could want.
The difference with most people on here I think is a lot of 360 owners (who do enjoy there machine) would still like a PS3 but r put off by price or lack of as many FPS. The 3 crowd just would not buy an xbox.
Lastly I'd take the black "Elite" 360 as a complement if I were Sony as its @ least trying 2 b like the PS3. I mean its not like M$ c some1 else's ideas & copy them is it. Hope they last longer than the other 1's.
you cant ban aoxo for what she says. its in her constitutional rights to say what she does.
if you dont like what she says, dont read the comments
http://www.frd.co.uk/corporate.php
"After leaving developer Rare in February 1999, former GoldenEye and Perfect Dark team members Dr. David Doak, Steve Ellis, Karl Hilton and Graeme Norgate began trading as independent developer 'Free Radical Design' a mere two months later."
So, Free Radical set up in 1999 like I said.
http://money.cnn.com/2002/09/20/news/deals/rare/index.htm
And, Microsoft buys rare 3.5 years later.
So, what was that you were saying about research?
Next time, take you head out of your a$$ and smell the fresh air.
I asked you to go and find the links and post it here and yet you couldn't do that simple task.
I'm still waiting. Until you provide the evidence, you are no different to every other 12 year old ***** for brains fanboy that is all to common on these forums.
Well, I'm waiting for your proof little boy, or has mummy stopped you from using the internet?
I am not your *****, Why cant you prove im wrong, coz im not, if you send links to get u out the hole u dug, ill be happy to find links to prove im right.
YOU made the claims of what ms were suppose to have said, so it's for you to prove it kid. i'm still waiting, and the longer I wait, the more you prove you are wrong but you're too much of a coward to admit it. LOL!
Thanks for proving im right, Rares top players left and MS bought the ***** left over, Look at all the great Rare games on the Xbox -hahahaha
you've proven yourself to be wrong, to be a kid (at least mentally), and that you're a coward. i look forward to your response to see what other attributes you have to add your worthless soul.
was the proof too good for you to handle?
"Thanks for proving im right"
right about what, that I was right? you said I should do some research and I showed you the research that i was right. your comments were just childish fanboy opinionated statements about rare.
*Yawn*, try to offer some kind of challenge, you so dumb it's getting boring now.
I said the top boys have left Rare, u proved the top boys left. I said MS bought the rubbish left over, you proved MS bought the rest, I said Look at Rares games now and u said....
U done reseach 2 prove im wrong above, but im still right, do reseach on this, to prove im right too -hahaha
they left rare to form free radical, producing the time splitters series which whilst above average, is no better than the offerings from rare themselves since they left. so ms didn't buy the 'rubbish' left over, and some could easily argue that the rubbish left. imo, neither is true, just as it isn't true to say they were the top boys!
As for rare's games now, the most recent, viva pinata, was a critical success even though it wasn't a commercial success. so imo that bodes well for rare's quality and therefore their games in future.
for you to prove your claim, you only have to find ONE comment from MS that confirms your dvd claim and ONE comment from MS that confirms your hdmi claim.
how can anyone prove MS didn't say this except to provide links to EVERYTHING MS have said on the subject! are you really THAT stupid! it seems so.
so like i said, YOU made the claims, so YOU are the person who has to prove it. the fact that you can't proves that you're wrong but like i said, you are too much of a coward to admit it.
Grabbed by the Ghoulies and viva pinata are kids games and what there better than time splitters
"I said the top boys have left Rare..."
you agreed with microsux remember that? you said and i quote: "microsux is right".
well microsux said David Doak probably left rare to start free radical because of MS. YOU AGREED WITH THIS and therefore YOU were also saying he left because of MS. I showed that those who left didn't do so because of MS, because MS didn't buy rare until 3.5 years later.
think before you agree with people next time, and therefore think before you post!
"how can anyone prove MS didn't say this except to provide links to EVERYTHING MS have said on the subject! are you really THAT stupid! it seems so."
Correct.
Therefore it has to be taken as truth that MS didn't say these things until proof is provided that they have. So the enthasist is on the accuser to provide that proof, and the accuser is you nuffsaid. Without such proof, your claims are meaningless and evenmoresaid is in the right on this issue.
Also, calm down a bit guys, you're both taking this a bit too seriously. :)
(*Backs away slowly*)
Ok I will prove the 'dvd claim' but you have to wait till tomorrow, i will be back. Has for MS dont need hdmi, look on the back of an Xbox Elite *****
...for proof of BOTH claims. and the back of the Elite box means nothing, you said MS said you don't need hdmi, i said they stated you don't need hdmi for High Def, which is a big difference.
and yes, i have a life too
and yes Player97, i'll calm down (and thanks). :)
I said 'MS does own Rare but Rares key members have left' or cant you read, I never said he left because of MS' I agreeded with the top line not 'David Doak left rare to start free radical. cause microsoft sucks' thats what microsux said have a pop at him not me.
the PS3 is an awful console because it comes from the worthless country of Japan. The Japanese people are a sick and deviant culture. They do not deserve your money. Down with Japan and their awful PS3.
"gee, as a software developer, how can you possibly afford it. ;)"
Thanks so much for the sarcasm :) . I know 200-250 USD is the price of 4-5 games, and you know, THAT'S what I would like to spend the money on, not just for the ability to play online during the week.
I am a Software Developer, but I don't have money to burn man :) - sometimes I wish I won some kind of lottery - that would solve so many problems ;).
"I never said he left because of MS' I agreeded with the top line not 'David Doak left rare to start free radical."
Actually you did by agreeing with microsux in your first post. You said he was right. No where in your first post did you make the distinction between him being right on one point but wrong on another, you simply agreed with him.
I'll pick up on this one point whilst waiting for proof.
nuffsaid wrote: "MS did say 'you don't need hdmi for HD' and they was wrong, hdmi is better then component and as all HDTVs now have a hdmi ports and the Xbox Elite.."
Actually, and again this is in your first post, you claimed MS said HDMI wasn't needed, it was evenmoresaid who stated that Microsoft said HDMI wasn't needed _for_HD_.
EDIT: Just before submitting this reply I noticed evenmoresaid already mentioned the above, but I'll submit this just the same because of the rest of my post.
Anyway...
HDMI being superior to component doesn't make Microsoft wrong. The quality is still very good, with some 360 gamers able to achieve 1080p over component with the right cables and a TV that can support it. Also, 360 gamers can also use VGA for 1080p HD output. So again, HDMI is not needed for HD when gamers can use either component or VGA.
However, HDMI is a good _option_ to have because it's the new standard for HD output, hence the inclusion of HDMI 1.2 in the 360 Elite and now in the latest 360 premium consoles being produced (HDMI 1.3 offers no additional benefits over 1.2 for this consoles generation, but will do for the next).
So again, Microsoft were completely right when they said you don't _need_ HDMI for HD, since component and VGA offers HD. The inclusion of HDMI on the 360 is really just an extra option, and an excellent one given that all new HDTVs have HDMI as standard.
Since it has the kind of comments people like you would only make as an anonymous loser online, because your life is lacking so much.
I pity you, I really do.
Ill not a coward, I just woke up, going to eat now, if ur still there, reply. ill do the research, but im not going to do it, 4 no shows.
hmdi is better than component as its a digital connection if your xbox/ps3 has a digital connection and your TV too why would you use a analog connection and I quote ' Digital signal transfer, it is assumed, is error-free, while analog signals are always subject to some amount of degradation and information loss' and hdmi is 'pure digital' or in other words true digital.
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/122868.html
As for what I said ' MS is just as bad saying things like you dont need hdmi'. What does this MS Xbox rep. say about hmdi (from 1:11) 'u dont need it for HD content' so why has the Elite got it, coz there wrong and hmdi is better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOn_5RBZGNQ
As for 'MS did say that Blu-ray was pointless as no games will be larger than 9 gbs' Jay Allard said this at E3 '06 at a interview with gamespot 'coz he was asked blu-ray vs dvd-9, but has the video has been deleted I cant prove it now.
My original statement was 'games wont be more than 9gbs'. here is a video from J. Allard saiding (from 5:43) 'if you got the space, you will use it, has been proven untrue'. My point was, as PS3 games are over 9gbs, that was a false statement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLnY-gQrUsQ
waiting for your reply guys.
OK then im sorry about 'microsux is right' it should of read 'I agree, David Doak left rare to start free radical' happy now. Rare do suck now since he and others left. Plus anyone attacks me like evenmoresaid comment 'unintelligent a$$hole' i will attack them back.
In my first statement 'lol @ Sony products that never live up to the hype.' I was basically pointing out, both Sony and MS lie about there product, they are as bad as each other, Ill not a psfanboy nor xboxfanboy as I got both consoles, im just stating facts, the only company I got repect for never lieing (to my knowledge) is Nintendo.
Ill just like to point out, a Free radical is a type of cell in human bodies what eats other cells what can cause ageing of the skin and could kill you over a long peroid of time.
Where are you guys? i'll be back in 4 hours.
I just saw your comment.
we are fighting over the same thing.
Component and VGA (analog) can be used for HD content but my point was MS was saiding HDMI was totally pointless and its not, I have component and HDMI on my PS3 and VGA and DVI on my PC. HDMI/DVI is better.
If you already got component/VGA, is it worth paying for HDMI? no, its the same as saying if your TV has 1080i is it worth getting 1080p? no same goes for 60 hertz to 120 hertz and 5000:1 contrast to 10000:1. its not worth the money.
As this in the year HDTVs people are buying a HDTV and want the full experience, people will want to use HDMI as they have paid for it. MS have relise this thus putting HDMI on the Elite.
Haze will b good I'm sure as it's from the timespliter team.
Now we got the topic out of the way...the 360 33% death rate is the only reason u should need not 2 buy 1. MCS went on holiday th@ week so was unable 2 comment (If I'm wrong I'd love 2 know wh@ he said)
The 360 has been chewing on the disks a li'l as well. Microsoft says the 60 was not meant 2 b stood vertical even tho all the ad's from Microsoft show it this way. I know people r sayin th@ it's when u move the box when it's on but really why would u ever do this?
I got a PS3 as u may have guessed & all & who own 1 know its an expensive but well made sexy black box of trix th@ is growing stronger every day. We all know wh@ needs 2 b improved i.e PSN content & more games all round but I'm happy with wh@ I got right now.
The xbox was no better in it's 1st year out when u had nothing 2 compare it 2.
Wh@ do people think...would M$ have such a lead if all consoles were released @ the same time even with the price difference?
Wh@ does the 360 do (apart from graphix) th@ the Xbox did not? Is it really just wireless pads?
Was gonna put some pro Sony points but instead thought f**k it I'd only have 2 defend wh@ I said. My life as it is allows me time 2 chill, smoke a J, play some games or surf le net but not the time some of u have who trawl forums all day & look 4 all the ammo 2 fuel ur holy console war!
I got my PS3 4 £180 in the uk with a mobile fone deal, its cool as f**k & has (or will have) all a true gamer could want.
The difference with most people on here I think is a lot of 360 owners (who do enjoy there machine) would still like a PS3 but r put off by price or lack of as many FPS. The 3 crowd just would not buy an xbox.
Lastly I'd take the black "Elite" 360 as a complement if I were Sony as its @ least trying 2 b like the PS3. I mean its not like M$ c some1 else's ideas & copy them is it. Hope they last longer than the other 1's.
I think you can now see where I'm coming from (and evenmoresaid) on this issue, i.e. that because component and VGA can be used for HD, then the statement that HDMI is not needed to display HD content is actually correct. This has always been Microsoft's position. Even in the video you posted, he says the same thing regarding HDMI, saying "It's not actually necessary, it's a myth that you need HDMI to enjoy high definition....", since gamers can enjoy HD with component and VGA.
Yes HDMI is better, but this was never about quality, it was always about functionality, and in this respect HDMI is not needed for HD. And as you've correctly said in your post, the improvement is not enough to justify upgrading (unless you _really_ want HDMI), but it's worth having if you're buying your first 360 console.
I don't think Microsoft have only now realised this, they knew that an HDMI port would have made the 360 more expensive to produce (especially as they don't have the advantage of being a hardware company like Sony). Now that the production costs have fallen for the 360, they can make improvements to the console, such as a bigger HDD, adding an HDMI port, 65nm processors (soon) etc.
Moving onto the issue of space...
"if you got the space, you will use it, has been proven untrue'. My point was, as PS3 games are over 9gbs, that was a false statement."
It's not false, PS3 games are on a disk with 25GB capacity (and soon 50GB). Most PS3 games come nowhere near filling the 25GB disk they're on. That's the point J Allard is making, since even on the PS3, just because the space is there, it's doesn't mean it's being filled. Hence the assumption that DVD is not enough is based on the idea that just because Blu-ray holds 25GB, then most PS3 games will be 25GB, which is false.
Besides, I don't believe anyone has provided a recent breakdown of PS3 game sizes (if they have, then a link would be great. Anyone? :)), so we shouldn't make assumptions on game sizes, especially when there are other factors to consider, such as multi-format games where they are the same except for added extras on the PS3 version (such as full TV shows in The Darkness), or multi-region support on the PS3 version (voice will require seperate recordings for each language for example), meaning more space on Blu-ray for the SAME game which comes on seperate DVD's for each region on the 360.
So going back, that's why Jay mentioned the fact that over 90% of XBox games only required a single layered DVD (5:59), not because no games filled DVD but because even though the space was available, most XBox games didn't require DVD9 (only a small minority did). The same is true for PS3 games, where the vast majority are no where near filling a Blu-ray disk, even though the space is available.
Which ever way it's interpreted, he hasn't said game will not be more than 9GB. I appreciate the fact that you said J Allard said this at E3 on Gamespot last year, but if it was on Gamespot, then it should still be there, or at least there should be reference to his comments on forums, and yet a search with google finds nothing. It also doesn't make sense because Blue Dragon was shown at E3 last year, and this game comes on 3 DVDs! Therefore I suspect you're remembering something you've read on a forum, not something Jay actually said in an interview :|
Phew, I'm exhausted. :) Time to enjoy the rest of my weekend now. I hope you do the same nuffsaid (I suspect evermoresaid is probably doing that too, since he vanished as the weekend started :)).
Hi, as you may have noticed, I've replied in one big post below. Excuse any errors or if it goes on a bit, I was just expressing my thoughts as they came to me.
I believe we do agree on more than we disagree, I just think that your examples of what Microsoft said is not actually correct. They are popular internet myths which I read many times on forums, but when you actually focus in on actually interviews with MS reps, the reality is actually quite different.
For example, when asked if DVD is enough for next-gen games, a MS rep _may_ say something like "oh yes, DVD is more than enough, you don't need Blu-ray to have next-gen games on a console". Now this statement is only saying that DVD is good enough for next-gen games and that you don't have to have a bigger capacity disk to support next-gen games. It is not discounting the use of multiple disks (i.e. games bigger than DVD9), and it's not saying Blu-ray is not needed, but I can guarentee that on forums, that is how certain gamers will interpret those comments, and those opinions will spread.
Hence the many myths that exists on internet forums. :)
I was just pointing out MSs mistake with hdmi, its like saying about the 9gbs disc thing, then MS having a blu-ray drive the next day. I would be a silly mistake by them. Component/VGA is fine and can do the job but we are in a digital age,as for me, if I paid for a digital console I would have a digital TV and soundsystem to go with that.
All ps3 games do fit on a single lay disc at the moment and ports of games do fit on a xbox/ps3 disc with no problem. Someone else has told me that some games like UT and COD4 are having a problem getting all the maps on a dvd9 and it will be a problem for future games (I know maps could go on the HDD, what about people with the core edition) . Executive Sony games are over 9 gbs and couldnt fit on a dvd-9. Im from the UK and every game on the xbox and ps are multi5 and up have been for ages.
http://www.mininova.org/search/ps3/size
(the games come as a zip, so add 2-3 gbs on them, the bigger games add more)
Gamespot go to E3 each year and sit on a couch and reps come over and talk about there software or hardware the whole thing is live on the web and goes on for days. Gamespot have got this years stuff still, but last years stuff has been deleted I have looked on google and youtube for it and cant find it, its a needle in a haysack! J.A. did say this. someone else had the same argument with me ages ago and I proved it to them, but now the vid. is gone I cant prove it to you, which is really bugging me. I know you dont know me but I dont make things up.
Thanks very much for the link.
Just one point though, if last gen is anything to go by, these are actually image files and therefore are not compressed. In fact, Resistance appears to confirm this because it has always been reported as being around 16GB, and the torrent files are 15.5GB. Hence the game sizes appear to confirm the points made earlier about most games not filling the media they're on, and that DVD is fine for next-gen games (even if multi disks have to be used).
True games will be getting bigger throughout this gen, and DVD will be more of a problem for devs, but that's really for devs to figure out (there are numerous solutions). I don't deny DVD capacity is an issue for games, I just don't believe it's as big an issue as some make out.
For me, I don't care about the size of a game on the disk when I'm playing it, it's the experience it offers that counts, hence I'd rather play a game like Bioshock (on DVD) over a game like Lair (on Blu-ray), based upon all the previews and reviews I've read about each game.
As for J Allard. Well we'll have to leave it at that I guess. But I would say that if the only evidence of MS saying games will not be larger than 9GB comes from a few comments by Jay Allard in one interview with Gamespot, then that really shows it's not the general view held by Microsoft as a whole, because we should have numerous examples of Microsoft taking this position on the issue (as we have regarding HDMI for example, both text and video). If it was said by Jay, it seems more likely to be an off the cuff comment which probably didn't come out the way Jay intended (it can happen). But I guess we'll never know now.
So yes, let's agree to disagree. But thanks again for the link, and thanks for the discussion. I'm sure there will be times in future when we'll be on the same side in a discussion. So I look forward to that.
Until then....cya. :)