Guerrilla Games admits Killzone 2 screens had photo touch-ups |
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The other day, Kotaku had posted screens for the PlayStation 3 exclusive Killzone 2. And though some of these screens have previously been revealed before in an Official PlayStation Magazine issue (where producer Steven Ter Heide talked about the possible incorporation of PlayStation Home in the game), Kotaku's screens were recently reposted on the official PlayStation forums.
Some of the comments in the forum thread had criticized these screens, saying that they were Photoshopped and manipulated to look good. Even Kotaku suggested that the screens were looking "a little too smooth."
A comment to the PlayStation forums made by one Seb Downie, QA manager for Guerrilla Games, confirms that the screens indeed had, albeit just a little, graphical touch-ups applied to them. Of course, that's not the whole story... Here's the full quote from Downie:
They are only the tiniest bit touched up. Short answer is yes. Long answer is that there was a little bit of colour-correction done and some minor polish, but nothing major. Still very close to reality and it looks better in motion in my opinion.
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All games look better in motion. I think it makes sense for them to "touch it up". That was the game in its pre-alpha stage, plus its an old picture of the game (of course its probably looking better then that right now so they dont want to show a crappy pic).
Now why do I get the feeling that if this was a 360 exclusive game, you would be all over Microsoft and the developer for lying and cheating. ;)
Instead, Guerilla touch up their pictures without telling anyone and its fine by you, it's no problem at all. Seems there's one rule for Sony and another for MS. :)
That said, it's not really much worse than game screenshots being released with perfect anti-aliasing.
I look forward to seeing the final game on the PS3. :)
if they did this before E3. But there showing an old pic which im sure the game as of RIGHT NOW looks better then its Pre-alpha form (which is when that pic was taken). So there not gunna be showing some old pic if they know the game looks better already.
Its the timeing that makes me not jump all over then for "lying and cheating"
..are they still releasing alpha shots? Take a pic of the newer builds of the game, why rerelease old pics and touch them up? Please. They were wrong and everyone knows it, good thing they were dragged out into the open.
No my friend Halo has more chances to come to the PS3 than KZ2 to the 360...By the way at least these guys admited there were touch ups on the sreenshots... But why do I have the feeling that MS doesnt even now what the word admit means... :)
"No my friend Halo has more chances to come to the PS3 than KZ2 to the 360.."
And what's that suppose to mean?
If I want to play Killzone, then I'll have a PS3 to play it!
Right now, I don't have a PS3, 360 or Wii because I rarely buy consoles until midway through the gen (especially since gaming is just one of dozens of hobbies and interests I have).
Hence I'm more than happy with my PC and consoles from last gen at present. Next year, I'll probably have both 360 and PS3 (sorry Wii fans, but your console doesn't appeal to me).
"Its the timeing that makes me not jump all over then for "lying and cheating""
Yeah, I believe you. No really. Honest. ;)
when you have a build like that, the game is pretty much working. after that point, it might not work because you took it apart again and you're making improvements. it wont run like a game unless you actually have the alpha/beta/etc builds.
is a spaz
when did guerilla games lie? all they did was put a little colour in the pics. go watch the e3 gameplay of killzone 2 and see if this isnt the best game you,ve ever seen graphically on a console with technologically a lot of ai without any slow downs or clautrophoebic environments like gears of war. this game or demo was in pre-alpha form 8 months now,the dev said e3 demo was prepared 2 months before e3 so imagine what it looks like now. tell me games on any other console that you can fight 3000 enemies on screen at the same time in 1080p like in lair and heavenly sword while looking so beautiful.
when did guerilla games lie? all they did was put a little colour in the pics. go watch the e3 gameplay of killzone 2 and see if this isnt the best game you,ve ever seen graphically on a console with technologically a lot of ai without any slow downs or clautrophoebic environments like gears of war. this game or demo was in pre-alpha form 8 months now,the dev said e3 demo was prepared 2 months before e3 so imagine what it looks like now. tell me games on any other console that you can fight 3000 enemies on screen at the same time in 1080p like in lair and heavenly sword while looking so beautiful.
Im sorry does Guerilla needs to broadcast trivial things like touching up pics from before E3 while they do it, no. Its just a simple touch up on the old pics. Stop being a fool.
Fact is Eclipze_ is right. this game is probably loads better now then it was at E3.
There're so many idi+ts like you who don’t even know the following knowledge; read the following to fill up your brain with facts.
Unlike console specific games, PC games always run badly (poorly, performance-wise) because PC games have to be compatible with hundreds of different PC specifications; but consoles games are optimized for one platform (because the developers are only making the game for one hardware, they can get the most out of the said console).
- PC with Windows operating systems: 60% of all system power (CPU, vid card, RAM, etc) are always used for the operating system and vital key components.
- Console: Almost all power is only used to run the game (so many mor+ns like you think a PC has better vid card (GPU power) than a console (PS3 or X360); no you d+mbf+ck, PC gaming is already dead; PS3’s vid card (RSX) is one year old, but still more powerful than currently the best PC vid card – nVidia GeForce 8K ultra (other versions are cheaper, ultra version is most expensive, and it’s $1,060 – tax inclusive), why? because GeForce 8K’s 60% of all power is always used for your OS (Windows); if you want to know exactly how powerful RSX is, it’s mentioned below.
Software! Software! Software!!!
When all those best, blockbuster, groundbreaking games are only made for consoles, there’s zero reason to waste away even $1 for PC in any regards. The best PC exclusive game is Garbagesis (Crysis).
I read a statistics months ago and it said about 99.5% of all PCs in the entire world are not suitable for 'power gaming' (only 0.002% of all PCs are considered as ‘cutting-edge gaming PCs’ which can run the newest PC games (for instance, Crysis) while maintaining both smooth frame rate and good graphics quality).
You must waste away several thousands of dollars if you want to build up (it means you buy parts separately) a ‘gaming PC’. Then you must waste thousands more bucks to upgrade parts annually!!! If you buy a console, let's say a PS3, this PS3 can last for 5+ years. Your PS3 even in 5 years can run all the newest and most demanding blockbuster games because of the reasons mentioned in this article.
In addition to that, a PS3 is only a few hundred dollars, but it includes groundbreaking technologies like Blu-ray player (the future!!!), Cell processor, RSX vid card (this vid card is more powerful then two nVidia GeForce 6K cards combined; one GeForce 6K card was $500 when it was first released!!!).
Cell chip! The best CPU for a PC is 'Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850 Quad-Core' at $1,320 (tax inclusive, if you disagree and say we can buy a Quad-Core CPU for $800, then you illiterate (read the number, 6850) are talking about weaker versions which are below QX6850; and I’m talking about the most expensive version called QX6850). PC gaming industry is totally loser, why? because PS3's Cell processor is 9.8 times more powerful than this said Quad-Core garbage. PS3's CPU is as powerful as ten Intel's QX6850 Quad-Core CPUs combined.
You posted the exact same thing in the UT3 thing. Why are you spamming. That has nothing to do with Killzone 2.
"Im sorry does Guerilla needs to broadcast trivial things like touching up pics from before E3 while they do it, no. Its just a simple touch up on the old pics. Stop being a fool."
You're well known as a hardcore Sony fanboy here, so of course you'll agree with Eclipze_, and as expected, you immediately resort to insults because the truth hurts.
As you and Eclipze_ CORRECTLY state, the game should NOW be looking BETTER, therefore they should be releasing NEW screenshots based upon the CURRENT build, not touching up old screenshots.
So don't sit them and pretend they shouldn't be releasing NEW screenshots from a current build rather than touching up old screenshots, because you know that's what they should be doing.
And besides that, I've already stated that it's not such a big deal anyway, given the kind of screenshots other devs tend to release (i.e. perfect AA for games with no AA).
As I said in my first post, which applies to you too Stealth, that if this was a 360 exclusive game, you would NOT be here defending them saying it's fine to touch up old screens without saying so, you would be on the attack, calling MS (and the devs) cheats, liars and similar other insults.
...for probably the dumbest post of the day.
You couldn't be any more stupid if you tried.
Oh and, using the name AoxomomoxoA because you're copying AoxomamoxoA is rather pathetic. It would be like someone registering as Steath just to post BS as a 360 fanboy, knowing that many wouldn't even notice the '!' missing from the end, unless they knew Stealth! well enough before.
It's not the best game graphically I've ever seen (although it's very good), but then, that's not what this is all about.
It's not the best game graphically I've ever seen (although it's very good), but then, that's not what this is all about.
(Double post deserves a double reply ;)).
yaz, can you tell me the game that looks better than killzone 2 thats on a console ?? i want to see how stupid you are.
I'm not going to play dumb little 'list' games with you dylantalon. I've seen it too many times where whatever game is mention, you'll say it's not as good, I say it is. You say "Oh but KZ2 does this and that better", I say "Game X does this and that better (or the same)", you say it doesn't, I say it does, you say KZ2 is better, I say it's not...on and on and on. *B-o-r-i-n-g*
No thanks, that's a pantomime discussion ("Oh not it isn't"..."Oh yes it is"). :)
Besides, just like Stealth!, you seem incapable of having a discussion with someone who disagrees with you without resorting to pointless insults. Hence I see nothing to be gained from discussing it with you.
Saying KZ2 is the best looking game is not a fact dylantalon, it's an opinion, YOUR OPINION, and therefore it's an opinion which not everyone is going to agree with (including PS3 fanboys).
Therefore those that think KZ2 looks great but is not the greatest looking game are entitled to their opinions, and are not stupid just because their opinions differs from yours. :|
i remember seeing ps2 games such as vice city b4 release with shart anti aliasin.
i actually laughed then
I bet most game does touch-up anyway so this is no biggy.
To be fair AoxomamoxoA is rite but as long as theirs window, consoles will always run smoother
No one said tht killzone is graphically crap, we just said tht their are better games graphically. :]
About the best graphics bit i think Mass Effect looks pretty good. but hey thts personal opinion :]. dylantalon cant accept the truths, best offense is the best defense ;)
Learn to actually read what others have to say please...The man said best graphics on a console!!!! We all saw Crysis!!! quess what? that is a pc game!! Stick to what is said... And the Answer from somenoe who has both nex-gen consoles and has all major games for both of them I say based on the trailer and screenshots which are so old, this game IS the best looking game on a console yet!!! Even MGS4 doesnt have anything against it graphic-wise!
Love the way you try to avoid direct questions !!! For someone who accuses others of not being able to form a good discusion you sure excel at it my friend !!Keep it up!!
By the way I believe that you are the most annoing poster here in QJ well done!! (ohh and I am entitled to my opinion right...)
"You're well known as a hardcore Sony fanboy here, so of course you'll agree with Eclipze_, and as expected, you immediately resort to insults because the truth hurts."
Me a fanboy right last time i checked im getting a 360 so basically you have no point, and don't go throwing the word fanboy around cause it proves your the real fanboy here. I never even called you one.
"As you and Eclipze_ CORRECTLY state, the game should NOW be looking BETTER, therefore they should be releasing NEW screenshots based upon the CURRENT build, not touching up old screenshots.
So don't sit them and pretend they shouldn't be releasing NEW screenshots from a current build rather than touching up old screenshots, because you know that's what they should be doing."
They don't have to release anything new if there not ready, besides there is nothing wrong with touching up old pics which were pre-alpha state to current. Everyone does that, its not surprise.
"As I said in my first post, which applies to you too Stealth, that if this was a 360 exclusive game, you would NOT be here defending them saying it's fine to touch up old screens without saying so, you would be on the attack, calling MS (and the devs) cheats, liars and similar other insults."
Actually no i would do the same for them Since im no fanboy of any console but rather a consumer. I maybe a fan of Sony cause i used their products alot and used to them but not a fanboy. Im not well known as a hardcore fanboy MCS was the well known fanboy of this site and I like Thinker and Quixand defended the PS3 and used common sense and facts to prove how idiotic MCS was. Now that he has a PS3 he actually owned up to the fact its a great console, like we was saying before hand. Although he took his attention to the Wii and i still use facts on occasion to prove him wrong but he growned up.
The real and biggest fanaboy on this site is Xman and that new kid called us Fony Farmboys, which isn't even clever.
I called you a fool cause thats what you was doing, it wasn't an insult but rather stating the truth bluntly.
you dont have a current gen console, so therefore, for me, you dont have a valid opinion!!!
as for your 'its not the best graphics ive seen' thing, put up or shutup!!!
so stop spouting about things you claim to know about!!!
as for the spam that AoxomomoxoA keeps putting out, although im sure he/she doesnt need to put it on every jump, i do agree with it, because its not that stupid!!!
» Uh-huh
"Its the timeing that makes me not jump all over then for "lying and cheating""
Yeah, I believe you. No really. Honest. ;)
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Dont quote one little part of my post, read the whole damn thing and I think you'll understand it.
Anyways thanks for agreeing with me ;)
"Me a fanboy right last time i checked im getting a 360 so basically you have no point"
You said that months ago, but you still haven't got one yet, right! Prior to your announcement that you're getting a 360, you were as much against MS and the 360 as Mister Common Sense was against the PS3. Yes, MCS buying a PS3 softened the attacks from both of you on the opposite console (which was good to see), but you know what they say about leopards and spots! :)
"and don't go throwing the word fanboy around cause it proves your the real fanboy here. I never even called you one."
I see, so you're not a fanboy because you're thinking of buying the console you use to attack (and since claimed you did it in self defence), I'm a fanboy for not owning either a 360 or PS3, neither of which I attack. R-i-g-h-t. :)
"there is nothing wrong with touching up old pics which were pre-alpha state to current. Everyone does that, its not surprise."
If it's the current state, then they DO have something to show, and therefore can show the game in it's current state.
"Actually no i would do the same for them Since im no fanboy of any console but rather a consumer."
Great, I'm pleased to see you've finally changed. ;)
"I called you a fool cause thats what you was doing, it wasn't an insult but rather stating the truth bluntly."
No, you called me a fool because that's the way you are. You may not like people who remember your fanboy days here and so you would rather they forgot about it, but I remember. If you have indeed changed since then, then that's good to see.
"Dont quote one little part of my post, read the whole damn thing and I think you'll understand it."
Since when is the quote in the reply the only line read? The last line of your post was sufficient, I don't need to quote your WHOLE post in the reply.
It was a very weak excuse you used to attempt to justify your position, hence the sarcasm in my reply. :)
Please learn to understand what you read!
"The man said best graphics on a console!!!! We all saw Crysis!!! quess what? that is a pc game!! Stick to what is said..."
Remind me, where in my post did I mention the PC? No really, where is it? LOL! It's a bit rich for you to tell me to learn to read what others say when you clearly need to do that yourself.
We are talking about console games here, that was the context and therefore there was no need for me to specify consoles in my reply. So to repeat, no-one has mentioned the PC here, neither directly nor implied.
So going back to my point, it's not the best game graphically I've ever seen (it's amongst the best in some areas, but it's not THE best), and that's referring to consoles ONLY, not the PC.
"Love the way you try to avoid direct questions !!!"
I haven't avoided any questions here, other than his insulting request to enter a pointless 'game list wars'. Do show me a 'game list wars' here on QJ that has been anything other than a pointless waste of time for everyone involved, with no-one proving anything in the end, even after days of argueing. Equally, the last line in his post shows it was going to be the kind of exchange I'd explained in my response.
You may like to waste your time this way Constantinecy, but not me.
"For someone who accuses others of not being able to form a good discusion you sure excel at it my friend !!Keep it up!!"
That's a matter of opinion. I hold your debating skills in equal contempt.
"By the way I believe that you are the most annoing poster here in QJ well done!!"
I couldn't care less what you think (other than to find it very amusing). ;)
I don't need to OWN a next-gen console to judge the games. I've had plenty of opportunities playing the games at friends, in stores (depending on the game on display), watching downloaded videos (preferably HD), reading reviews, previews etc. You know, the same way YOU comment on games which YOU'VE NEVER PLAYED because either you haven't bought the game, or it's not on the console you own or the game hasn't been released yet!
"as for your 'its not the best graphics ive seen' thing, put up or shutup!!!"
I consider COD4 (on both 360 and PS3) to be every bit as good graphically as KZ2, hence I look forward to seeing COD5. I consider Uncharted, whilst a different genre and setting, is also equally impressive. I consider Gears of War, although old now, to be just as good (yes in some areas KZ2 technically exceeds GEoW, but in other areas, GOW exceeds what I've seen in KZ2 so far). So like COD5, I look forward to the inevitable GEoW2.
So I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I don't consider KZ2 to be in a different league graphically to all other console games. It's up there WITH the best, but it's not THE best imo.
There, I've 'put up', just for you. ;)
"so stop spouting about things you claim to know about!!!"
I'll say as much as I like here. I could have easily lied about owning a 360 and PS3, but I prefer to be honest on such matters (even though I expected a comment like the one you made).
To say my opinion doesn't count because I don't own a 360 or PS3 is just plain nonsense, because owning one of those consoles doesn't make you any more knowledgeable on games like Killzone 2 which haven't been released yet and therefore NO-ONE here has played it (that's right, not even YOU). So and I are going by the SAME screenshots, movies, reviews and previews! And even if you owned both consoles, that doesn't mean you've owned or played the games being discussed.
So give it a rest please. :)
..."So and I are going by the SAME screenshots, movies, reviews and previews!"
Should be;
"So you and I are going by the SAME screenshots, movies, reviews and previews!"
Shame there's no edit button on QJ. :)
"Dont quote one little part of my post, read the whole damn thing and I think you'll understand it."
Since when is the quote in the reply the only line read? The last line of your post was sufficient, I don't need to quote your WHOLE post in the reply.
It was a very weak excuse you used to attempt to justify your position, hence the sarcasm in my reply. :)
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Ok I guess you dont understand what im saying. Dont pick little parts out of my comments and try and talk 5hit.
And im not trying to "justify my position", im showing you how I can play the sacasm came too
-- "Its the timeing that makes me not jump all over then for "lying and cheating""
Yeah, I believe you. No really. Honest. ;)--
Get back on topic and stop talking about fanboys and sarcasm.
+ next time if you dont understand my post or dont like it.. too bad.
Game, not came.
"+ next time if you dont understand my post or dont like it.. too bad."
I understand your posts fully, and can tell I touched a nerve (obviously the truth hurts :)). As for it being "too bad". So? I'm still going to respond, like it or not. :)
"By the way I believe that you are the most annoing poster here in QJ well done!!"
Well I guess your invitation for an online session with 'KATATONIUM' is off then. ;)
http://www.qj.net/Michael-Bay-Microsoft-wants-HD-DVD-and-Blu-ray-to-fail/pg/49/aid/109043
(Interesting that 'the by' below used the same logic here as yourself in that thread regarding my right to post here. Hmmm).
If you understood my post why arent you back on topic... Guess your really NOT reading them (if you are its not showing)
LOL i don't post often but i had read the other post and YAZ is a complete idiot. COD4 although very pretty does not have better graphics. It has a better art style and coming from a pc gamer you lack common knowledge of games. Same goes for Uncharted. Gears of War is the only game their in competition. What your forgetting is the amount of stuff going on screen in KZ2 compared to Gears. I mean Gears had at most 5-7 guys at MOST. Killzone has tons of bad guys/ team mates all roaming throughout the level with an much higher polycount and with way better lightning. I just hope the game play matches the visuals.
Please do not take me as a ps3 fanboy i favor no consoles. I have a killer pc/ps3/360 and a wii i can take a photo if you would like. But your ignorance is terrible. The fact that you do not have any console makes your opinion not valid as you have not played cod4 or Uncharted on a console. (well thats how you make it seem) Now can you please stop voicing your opinions im pretty sure everyone here is tired of reading them
Oh and btw look at the screenshots again people. The 1st screenshot were taken from a video. The second come from the newest build and that screen was touched up. Just look at the scenes in the background(well the pic of the guy jumping. The background is more to the side in the new picture. So therefore you really cant compare the 2 pics as they DO come from SEPARATE builds. Although touched up we cant see the real from the touched up pic. All they could've done was get rid of jaggies but we will never know. Wait for the next game play video then we wil all know. Also everyone touches up pics go look at Nba live 08 pre release pics.
i meant lighting
To repeat what I said earlier;
"I'm not going to play dumb little 'list' games with you dylantalon. I've seen it too many times where whatever game is mentioned, you'll say it's not as good, I say it is. You say "Oh but KZ2 does this and that better", I say "Game X does this and that better (or the same)", you say it doesn't, I say it does, you say KZ2 is better, I say it's not...on and on and on. *B-o-r-i-n-g*
No thanks, that's a pantomime discussion ("Oh no it isn't"..."Oh yes it is"). :)"
And here you are posting EXACTLY as I predicted. Point after point and with the kind of attitude of expected when I also said "you seem incapable of having a discussion with someone who disagrees with you without resorting to pointless insults. Hence I see nothing to be gained from discussing it with you."
Your reasoning is completely wrong on why one game is superior to the other, but unlike you, I'm not going to call you an idiot for having an opinion, because that's all it is, i.e. an OPINION! Not fact.
I would happily go through the areas where GEoW excels over Killzone 2 and vice-versa, IF I felt you were capable of doing so in a reasonable adult manner. But given your attitude here, I doubt that's possible.
"LOL i don't post often but i had read the other post and YAZ is a complete idiot."
Oh I see, because my opinion differs from yours that makes me an idiot? No my firend, it makes you seem rather ignorant and immature, which I'm sure you're not, but it comes across that way.
"The fact that you do not have any console makes your opinion not valid as you have not played cod4 or Uncharted on a console."
And you have not played Killzone 2!!! And YES I have played COD4, just not on MY console. Is that concept really that difficult to understand? :)
And I didn't say I don't have a console, I said I don't a 360 or PS3 (yet). I have a PC and consoles from last gen. Like I said earlier, even if you own the console it doesn't mean you own/played the games in question, and therefore having a 360 or PS3 is irrelevent here.
I also suggest you read the reply I gave to 'the by' above.
"Now can you please stop voicing your opinions im pretty sure everyone here is tired of reading them ;-)"
Sorry, but I'll voice my opinions like everyone else here. It's not up to you to decide :) And here's a top tip.... if you don't like what I'm saying, you can simply ignore me. No-one is forcing you to read my posts and certainly no-one is forcing you to respond.
One final point. "LOL i don't post often but i had read the other post and YAZ is a complete idiot."
It's no wonder you don't post here often if that's your attitude online. I suggest you read from my first post here and see if you can understand the point I was making, and then point out where I've been a "complete idiot". Don't just join in with the fanboy crowd, give reasons. :)
...I've got my hands full elsewhere in this thread.
Having said that, I'm not really having a go at you specifically Eclipze_, just having a bit of fun (and why not? :)), but as expected, my point did strike a nerve with certain gamers for obvious reasons. :)
Im having fun too lol, we kinda got off topic though. I already made my point that I dont think people should get mad or somthing about this, mainly because its an old pic from the pre-alpha build of the game (which by now it should be in alpha form now.) With that said dont think im one of those gamers that got there nurve struck, cause I guess I see it a different way than you.
This website has become so quiet (and a bit stale imo) since it went registered posters only.
As annoying as many of the unregistered posters were, they sure did liven things up around here.
So cheers yaz, this thread became far more interesting and lively as a result of your posts here (heck, you even managed to get Koolaidsred1 to come off the sidelines to take part ;-)).
Back on topic........ Now I know some of you will not like me for saying this but, I think yaz has a point. When things like this happens, fanboys of ALL consoles tend to cut their console company/devs a LOT of slack, but act completely opposite when it involves the "enemy" company/dev. Don't get me wrong, I'm not accusing anyone here of being a fanboy, but I agree with yaz on this one. :-D
Dam! I wish I saw this 2 days ago.
Ah well, I guess it's back to the normal quiet QJ again.
I said back on topic and then spoke about something which was not actually topic.
Bring back the old QJ says I, let the unregistered trouble makers back in. Bring some life back to this site.
Or is it just me? :-D
Actually i do not have an attitude but it seems as if you do. You are trying to disprove this game without yet giving it a chance. And i understand the game mentioning game and i respect your opinion, but a games "LOOK" does not represent its graphics.
Look at shadow of the colossus. It had amazing visuals are you telling me it has a similar polygon count / graphics used in games today? Not even 1/8th the amount but yet it was an amazing looking game because of its super art style.
Call of duty 4 is a very pretty game, but overall its Graphics are not better. What you are being drawn into is its fabulous art style.
I'm also not here to defend Killzone 2 because as you said i have not played it, but then again you have not either, which is why im writing here because you made an opinion of a game not out yet compared to games on the market today. Would it be fair to say Crysis 2 looks better then Killzone 2 in the next 5 months?(i know Crysis destroys killzone just trying to make a point).
And about your Gears comment i would be open to discussion in an adult manor. Sorry for offending you i just thought you were one of those little 13 year old kids that think they know it all.
My view of Gears(i have it on 360 and pc) is that not much is ever going on in order for a comparison. I do not know if its because of a cpu limitation of the 360 or because the developers chose it but either way not even 1/3rd the amount of stuff happening in killzone was happening at ANY point in Gears. I still have respect for Gears and all im just seriously getting bored of the Unreal Engine and think companies own made engines tend to look better and run better.
NOW we can talk. :)
"Actually i do not have an attitude but it seems as if you do. You are trying to disprove this game without yet giving it a chance."
Not at all. At no point did I dismissed Killzone 2 as being impressive, and as I said in my first post "I look forward to seeing the final game on the PS3. :)". What I disagree with are those saying it's (and I quote) "the best game you,ve ever seen graphically on a console with technologically a lot of ai without any slow downs or clautrophoebic environments like gears of war". Well for me it's not THE best, it's amongst the best, but it doesn't stand above ALL others, and that's a big difference, especially since different games have different requirements.
"And i understand the game mentioning game and i respect your opinion, but a games "LOOK" does not represent its graphics."
I'm not just going on "looks" Koolaidsred1, I'm considering ALL aspects of the graphics. As I said, different games have different requirements, however there's only a certain amount of resources available, and therefore often to improve in some areas means sacrifices in others (more on that later).
"Call of duty 4 is a very pretty game, but overall its Graphics are not better. What you are being drawn into is its fabulous art style."
Not at all (although art style helps of course). COD4 is very impressive, and has as much going on as anything I've seen of KZ2, including particle effects.
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_5488_en.html
"I'm also not here to defend Killzone 2 because as you said i have not played it, but then again you have not either, which is why im writing here because you made an opinion of a game not out yet compared to games on the market today"
I responded to those who had already done that Koolaidsred1 when they said KZ2 has the best console graphics ever seen, hence my challenge to that point of view is as valid as theirs. :)
"My view of Gears(i have it on 360 and pc) is that not much is ever going on in order for a comparison. I do not know if its because of a cpu limitation of the 360 or because the developers chose it but either way not even 1/3rd the amount of stuff happening in killzone was happening at ANY point in Gears."
It's has nothing to do with CPU limitation, Gears is a completely different type of game to KZ2, hence the comparison in that way is not an indicator or how impressive or not those games are. That's the kind of reasoning that some used in the past whenever an impressive looking fighter appeared, i.e. "Meh, it only looks good because there's only two characters on the screen against a background, but game X has hundreds on screen and big environments ...etc"). Well a fighter has completely different resource requirements to say a FPS, but it doesn't make it any less impressive.
Some people criticised Gears for the size of the environments, but as the devs said themselves, any bigger and it would become a different type of game! Hence the environments and gameplay were kept deliberately claustrophobic.
KZ2 (and COD4 for that matter) have different graphical needs to Gears. Both games excel in their realtime cutscenes (as seen in the opening cutscene for KZ2 - http://www.gametrailers.com/player/21504.html), but for gameplay graphics, the textures overall look great in Gears, whereas the gameplay videos of KZ2 reveals comparitively lower resolution textures (excellent polygon detail on the faces however), and not much is done with the textures either compared to Gears (for example, no normal mapping from what I can see, or even any semi-reflective surfaces, just flat matt textures throughout).
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/22115.html
That isn't a criticism of KZ2, but simply noting that to obtain the scale and diversity they're looking for, compromises have to be made in other areas. Hence the memory and processing power saved can be used elsewhere in the game (destructable objects for example).
With respect to the lighting in KZ2, I find it a bit lack-lustre. The dy
(Dam, lost the rest of my post because it was too long :). So I'll retype what I can remember :|).
Also, I should have included this Gears of War gameplay link above;
http://www.gamersyde.com/leech_3311_en.html
Now to continue where my post left off....
...With respect to the lighting in KZ2, I find it a bit lack-lustre. The dynamic lighting where the muzzle flash is used as a light source is a lovely touch and is very effective, but overall, I just find the lighting to be lacking (see the KZ2 end of demo gameplay video in my previous post). I know there's still work to be done, and we're yet to see daytime scenes, but so far, the lighting in KZ2 is a bit hit and miss to me.
So is Killzone 2 graphically the best console game ever seen as some suggest here? Is it above EVERY OTHER console game we've EVER seen? Nope, not to me it isn't. Is it up there with the best console games graphically? Hell yeah! (I know, I'm repeated myself).
And that's it, there was probably to add, but I guess I've said enough for now. :)
You make a very valid point about the textures and you are right that gears textures are better but i think they would improve that since it was god awful but it was in pre alpha stage so i guess we will have to see. On the Cod4 point i stick with saying the art style is what makes it shine if it went with a art style similar to gears of killzone i think it will easily stand out as far inferior to the other 2. Cod4 was optimized to work on all the systems which therefor they needed to go about it in a different way. Its as if Killzone were ported to the 360 it would be downgraded like crazy to run at a playable speed not because of the 360's specs but because of the difference in the coding etc. So i don't think cod4 has much graphically put into it since it would've cost them a crap load to make a multi platform game that can compete with killzone or Gears graphically. Honestly i prefer Battlefield 2 over Cod4 graphically. But art style i lvoe cod4 especially the rain effects (i think crysis wins over all though ;) )
For spelling, grammar and missing words (the edit box is too small and so I make mistakes on large posts. Perhaps next time I'll use a text editor and paste my posts into the reply box :)).
Well, KZ2 could run just as well on the 360, it wouldn't need to be scaled down in the way you suggest (although some areas may be slightly worse, with others slightly better) and it would need to be split across multiple discs BUT.... let's not go there (or this may become 360 vs PS3, others will join in, they'll probably get nasty and want to fight to the death :D).
It's good to see we agree on some points, and although we still disagree on others, we probably agree on more than we disagree and we both respect each other's point of view. :)
Like I said to Eclipze_ above (and I've notice Games4James picked up on it), I was just having a bit of fun to liven things up around here. And it worked, since I think we've had a good discussion out of it, one which would probably not have happened otherwise (you rarely post here but felt compelled to do so this time :)).
Hopefully I'll see you on another topic sometime.
Bye for now.
Thanks Games4james.
Unfortunately, the only downside of livening things up a little is the feeling that it's you against the world sometimes
But I enjoyed it just the same.
Thanks everyone and happy gaming (including those who dislike me now ;)).
I would be angry if I didn't own a Ps3 or if I didn't want to buy killzone 2.
But I do own a Ps3 and I do want killzone 3 so I could care less. ^^
' couldn't care less what you think (other than to find it very amusing). ;) '
Hmmm based on the way and attidute everyone is replying at your comments i think that no one give's a crap's a$$ about yours mate...like i said keep it on...
"Hmmm based on the way and attidute everyone is replying at your comments i think that no one give's a crap's a$$ about yours mate...like i said keep it on.."
Everyone. LOL! Talk about selective reading Constantinecy.
Perhaps you should read this thread again, but properly this time. I've actually left this thread on a good note with Eclipze_ and Koolaidsred1, and also had great comments from Games4James (who was the only one to see what was actually doing here).
So obviously some here DO care what I think. I can't say the same about you though. ;)
Surely this thread is dead now.