But I dont want this game, and for me its NOT the biggest entertainment of 08... Its not because of what hes saying cause I could care less, I think I'm just past my GTA phase.

it's already been delayed... it's already January!!!! gamers have been going on and on about how sweet their gaming was during the holidays... why are people still after the reasons of why GTA4 got delayed??? move on already from that will you???!!!!! i mean it's almost february for crying out loud, are we still going to discuss this till April???



to LordQuas, he mentioned that the PS3 was a contributing factor for the delay... doesn't mean that the 360 version went flawless or wasn't a "contributing factor" as well or if the 360 was already primed and ready to ship last October.

well i hope u don't mean that as a shot at the 360 b/c if you read the article it states that the ps3 is now identical to what? the xbox 360 version! they had to match what they were already able to achieve on existing architecture. that is what i call inefficient ;)

pull uir head outta ur butt before you make an ignorant statement like that again. the ps3 is known to be harder to code for...by far, in theory can pump out better gfx, but it takes so much time its better to get it to even, if the ps3 version ran slower it would only hurt their sales, and waiting till mgs4 sells units WILL allow them to sell more units across the board.... dont fanboy it, and think a bit





poeple will buy the crap outta this game whenever its releases this year.... just intial firestorm sales will be stronger a little later in the year, looks better financially too

Stop being apathetic!



See how you can NEVER win?

Rockstar need to MGS4 to sell units so they can sell more PS3 versions of GTAIV?



Hahahahahahahah a.



Why do people think MGS4 is a bigger killer app than GTAIV? The last PS2 version of GTA outsold the last MSG by almost 7 times.

But I doubt you'll still be saying that IF the reviews are brilliant and gamers everywhere are raving about how great GTA4 is. ;)



Let's wait and see.

I didn specify that the head to head sales of the two games I talked about...on ps3 only not icluding sales on the 360...

Delay or not, and regardless of which system caused the delay...I'm glad they've got a hard date in. That means the game is very close to being finished and now they're just working on optimization and finishing touches.



And besides, I own a 360 (and that's it), but I'm glad that the PS3 version looks identical. I hope it plays the same too, because quite frankly, I'm getting tired of all the fanboys from both sides arguing about miniscule aspects if a game is ever so slightly different between the two platforms.



Get over it and just enjoy the fact that the game is available on your system.

I wish I had a Microsony PS360.

"I'm glad Rockstar had the balls to hold it back and finish up both versions instead of giving the PS3 owners the short stick."



From the beginning Rockstar said GTA4 will be released simultaneous for the 360 and PS3. They made that promise the day it was announced knowing that one version is bound to hold up the other.



"thus developing for the 360 really isn't much different from the original Xbox. WHere as the PS3, theres a whole new beast to learn, just like the PS2 and it takes devs time to unlock its full potential"



BOTH consoles have potential which will take devs time to unlock. Developing on the 360 is only like the XBox and PC from a software environment perspective, but it's a completely different 'beast' inside, with it's 3 core IBM processor (the XBox had an Intel Pentium) and it's ATI GPU with embedded EDRAM (the XBox had a Nvidia GPU).



It will take years for devs to get the most out of the 360 (like all consoles), and so the PS3 is nothing special or unique in this respect. The issue that trouble devs the most on the PS3 is the Cell processor, but that has it's own advantages and disadvantages.



"compare first years PS3 games to first years 360 games and theres really quite a gap between "Next-gen-ness" quality."



That's debateable, but besides that, the PS3's first year came after the 360's first year, and in many cases, actually benefited from work which had been done on the 360. It's not about the PS3 being superior or the games better (also debateable), but the fact that game technology is ever evolving because each year builds upon the technology and techniques from the previous year(s). So the PS3 first year SHOULD reflect this. It's also true that the one year difference between the consoles is for launch only, in terms of technology and software developement, they are very close to each other.



"Which will only continue to be appeaant as the PS3 is unlocked and understood more from a programing point of view."



Actually, as time passes, more and more of BOTH consoles will be unlocked. Today we see that the early perception of the PS3 being _significantly_ more powerful than the 360 is giving way to the realization that the two consoles are actually very close to each other in terms of power. That will continue to be the case in future.

You are idiots.....seriously do you beleive this ?



360 is a multi-core, multi-threaded CPU just like the PS3....both run PC'esque video cards, both have harddrives and network cards.....from a programming standpoint they are actually very similar....



The problem ? Mainly that Sony did not develop a huge set of API for 3rd parties to work with....MS did.....so when someone working on PS3 wants to do something like light an environment, they have to write their own code for it....on 360 MS made sure there was a pre-existing API or function for lighting that devs just had to throw their variables into......anything more customized though and they would have to take the same approach as they would have to on PS3....



Not to mention splitting the ram was a big no no......if you don't design your game from the ground up for PS3, then working with that memory conifguration opposed to a whole chunk of memory will always be easier....



Ahh well, as far as the delay goes....who cares....

Well, as perceptions go, you said "the early perception of the PS3 being _significantly_ more powerful than the 360 is giving way to the realization that the two consoles are actually very close to each other in terms of power."



- Agreed. That is the general perception now, with most Developers still not able to get up to speed on the PS3's architecture.



However, as this is still a perception, this statement of yours "That will continue to be the case in future." doesn't really hold water. Perceptions may change in the future. It may turn out that Developers perceive that the 360 is more powerful, or that the PS3 is way more powerful. It may swing either way, or it may continue. Either way, your statement that the current perception will hold for all eternity is faulty logic.

saying that only because YOU like the game. I actually am tired of this kind of a game. I only go by my reviews (cause a review is just an opinion of someone else). I'm not one to go buy a game just because of hype.

One thing I see thats not flawless and thats lazy about infinity ward is there online. It still disconnects from games and puts you in games with only your party (or no one if your alone). There lack of support or updates on the online portion is kind of a let down for me.



If you want one pack of developers to say "wow" at (in a good way lol) it has to be Insomniac. They updated all of the bugs and glitchs out there games. they play online like every week to see how gamers play so they can fix gun damage and other things inside the game (like how they now have the option to turn off the 40mm nades and bullseye tags). Resistance 2 will show us a good update on graphics and show us what they can do onlline (60 player online ^_^)

" lol please... Killzone 2, Mgs4, and a lot of other games beat this game both story and graphics wise"



Can I borrow your time machine when you're finished with it?

"You've formed a very solid argument here and I agree with most things you said"



Thanks



"the 'slightly more powerful ' as you say will prevail."



Power really doesn't matter that much Constantinecy, if it did, the XBox would have outtaken the PS2 and won last gen and the Wii wouldn't be where it is today, neither would the DS dominate against the more powerful PSP. It really comes down to what these machines are all about, and that's games.



Today's fierce competition leave's no room for big gaps...So the one with the slightest edge will prevail. On that line the ultimate winner is the ps3.



Last gen the PS2 completely dominated the market, leaving the XBox and GC w-a-y behind in second and third place respectively. By the end of this gen, the gap between all three is likely to be much closer than last gen, therefore whilst there will be an overall winner, that doesn't mean the others are losers, since I think all three companies would have done well out of this gen.

I know you didn't say the others are losers, I just feel they will all be winners this gen, only some will be bigger winners than others (if you get my meaning :-)).

Mgs4 will be coming a month or two after GTA IV releases. Killzone 2 you can just look at the graphics part on some gameplay trailers.

Eclipze, graphics and stonyline aren't the only things that are suppose to make this game brilliant. This time around it's going to be behavioral AI and the fact that all the bodies HAVE SKELETAL SYSTEMS that make them adapt to their environment and interact with it in a more realistic way.

In four years Microsoft will most likely have the Xbox 720(silly buzz words >_>) on the market or very close to it, making the PS3 outdated.

kk its a well excepted fact ps3 is different to develop for and rockstar is very closely tied to sony so all i can say is if you didnt see this dont stand around on train tracks