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Funny Ken Kutaragi Quotes: a fan-boy litmus test

Posted Jan 14, 2007 at 9:15PM EST by QJ Staff

Listed in: PS3 Tags: Asia, Ken Kutaragi, Microsoft, playstation 3 updates, Sony, Supercomputer

If you're going to think that this is a negative, Sony-bashing article, then you've passed the fan-boy litmus test. Admit it: no matter how much we appreciate the console, Sony PR just goofs up sometimes. Moreover, it's a whole lot funnier when the foul-ups come from execs. Here are some amusing bits from the King of the Cosmos himself, Ken Kutaragi (Kutaragi Damacy!)

"The PS3 is not a game machine"
"Beating us for a short moment is like accidentally winning a point from a Shihan (Karate master), and Microsoft is still not a black belt. Just like with their operating systems, they might come out with something good around the third generation of their release."
"I believe we made the most beautiful thing in the world. Nobody would criticize a renowned architectÂ’s blueprint that the position of a gate is wrong. It's the same as that."
"Microsoft shoots for the moon. Sony shoots for the sun."
"This time, Microsoft has stated clearly that it is going after PlayStation. However, they're going not after the PlayStation 3, but the PlayStation 2. They were looking at 2, and that's why Xbox 360 became like that."
"With the PS3, our intentions have been to create a machine with supercomputer calculation capabilities for home entertainment."
PS3 is "for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else."
"The PS3 will instill discipline in our children and adults alike. Everyone will know discipline."
"Microsoft is trailing behind us, but they are not a threat. They are good at improving [on products], but we will be advancing to the next level with revolutionary technology."
"WeÂ’re not going to equip the PS3 with a HDD by default, because no matter how much capacity we put in it, it wonÂ’t be enough."

Oh, and here's the latest one. In an interview with Electronic Engineering Times Asia, Ken Kutaragi said this:

Though sold as a game console, what will in fact enter the home is a Cell-based computer. ...The model image for the Cell-based network may be the Internet: servers around the world form one virtual 'computer,' and each PC accesses it. Application programs can no longer directly access the hardware; instead they will have to be written in high-level, object-oriented language. The Cell processor will completely change the concept of programming. I am sure that a technology revolution is about to occur, not only within Sony but throughout the digital consumer electronics industry.

Yeah, its not really funny. In fact, the quote is actually a bit serious and is quite informative about the power of the Cell processor. However, as interesting as Cell-induced paradigm-shifts in programming are, the bit that really really grabs hold of your brain and squashes it into grey mush is this one:

If processors of high performance and wide bandwidth like the Cell were linked together without sufficient security, a worldwide system crash could occur with one attack.

Here's what this blogger thought: "Am I still listening to Ken, or am I watching an episode of 24?" Yes, this is all in good fun. Self-deprecating humor is healthy every now and then.

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"This time, Microsoft has stated clearly that it is going after PlayStation. However, they're going not after the PlayStation 3, but the PlayStation 2. They were looking at 2, and that's why Xbox 360 became like that."

Somehow,It seems it Ended to Be true..

The 360 Main Competitor is the PS2...as the PS2 has Already Outselled the 360.

Eventually....Once the PS3 500$ SKU drop to 400$,Conversion From the PS2 to the PS3 will Begin.

Well..Kutaragi....You are Arrogant,But you are Also a Genius Engineer.

# hhhmmm — Guest 2007-01-14 23:26

yeah those are some stupid quotes qj. i guess this site isnt about "24/7 coverage of the latest gaming news" anymore huh? more like "24/7 coverage of the latest gamer flaming." this site is ***** now. i miss the times when it was just psphacks, when i actually could learn something informative. but since you insist posting ***** like this, lets have a list of all the bull***** peter moore has said. it amazes me how people believe the ***** that flies out of his mouth. it must be his bald head.

# blimey — comedy 2007-01-14 23:40

there's no need to get angry... don't you ever watch the news and they do some crummy story about a guy who's been to every football match for some team for 50 years or something like that? there's got to be slightly 'off topic' stuff or journo's can't flex their creative muscles.

if you don't like the sound of an article simply don't continue reading it, and then post... you're wasting your own time.

# dude relax.. — Guest 2007-01-14 23:41

its a just a funny post. Some facts are true, such as the ps2/360 comparison made by Kutaragi. The thing about him is that you know he is bluffing most of the time, but you can't stop listening to him. Somehow his statements keep floating in your mind and gradually make you think its real. Im a huge Playstation fanboy, however, it is not statements or statistics about a gameconsole that make me buy it. It's the games that make me choose PS. Back in the day of PSX i used to have all the consoles and play all the games that came with them. The games that were released on the PSX made me stick with the PS2 later on. The same will happen now with the PS3, but since more and more console exclusives that i liked are getting multiplatform, its difficult what to choose.

# i like that one... — comedy 2007-01-14 23:41

that 'microsoft shoots for the moon, sony shoots for the sun'...

hehehe. it's funny, if you think about it in one way you can see sony are more ambitious; but in another way it shows that sony are reaching for something far more implausible than microsoft... silly ken

# Makes perfect sense to me — Guest 2007-01-14 23:58

You can land on the moon learn new things and come back,you cant land on the sun as you will overheat and die.

# Here we go again — Guest 2007-01-15 00:27

Why do you always say the same thing?, the main competitor for ALL next gen machines is the PS2,of course the PS2 has outsold the 360 look how long it's been around just as the 360 Christmas sales outsold Wii and PS3 combined.

Give real Facts not Fiction or guesswork the 360 has well over 10million out there how many has the PS3?.

LOL the conversion will not begin because properly half of those have now either ended up with a PS2 or if they are lucky the next gen 360 or Wii.

Genius Engineer ? hmmm I have seen nothing to prove that on the PS3,in fact looking at the recent news that MOTORSTORM is NOT going to be 60 FPS but only 30,No Rumble in a car game? WHAT,No replay,etc pure genius eh, don't look like the PS3 is up to much when you compare the specs of FORZA 2 on the 360 go compare the two.

The moon is a goal that can be achieved the sun is certain death.

# HEHE! — Guest 2007-01-15 00:31

funny.

gettin on the moon is gud, like 1st man on the moon...gr8 achievement....

heading for the sun is not on anyone's to-do list (unless they wanna die)

he says so much dumb stuff...and "The PS3 is not a game machine" LOL. they sure should market it as a game machinbe to set it apart from the 360 + xbox which use lots of PC components...a PC disguised in a box

# HahAh — Guest 2007-01-15 00:44

I knew Broken_Hero was Ken all along.

# Pretty Funny Reply.. — Guest 2007-01-15 00:46

Comparing Forza 2 to Motorstorm.....Are we Scared to Mention GT5 ;)

Sony is a Hardware Giant....Manufacturing Is their Main Proffesion,and Cost-Reduction is What they Have Been Doing for Decades Now.

Sony Shipped More Units than The PS2 did in the Same Period..Thats Incredible even though they Had the Blu-ray Diode Bottle-Neck

Have you Seen Lair....??..Do you Know that Lair cannot Be accomplished on the 360 Because It is Engineered to Stream Data From the Hdd and Blu-ray Drive...Which Saves an Awfull Amount of Ram and They Managed to Run it at 1080P with all the Vast World,Hundreds Of Object and the Incredible Detail.

Do you Know that RAM is the Main Bottle-Neck this Gen....and that the PS3 Hdd Will Allow Developers To Save a lot of ram,Which cannot be Done on the 360,Since the Core has no Hdd.

Plz.....Think Before you Post ;)

# he takes the challenge out of PS3 bashing — Guest 2007-01-15 03:47

I hope you see now how Ken Kutaragai completely ruined any chances of a PS3 success! "The PS3 is not a game machine" couldn't be more true! What is it exactly? Cheap blu ray player! Don't forget half-assed internet and Linux! And to think I sold one on ebay for $1825 right after launch! Idiots

# fgh — Guest 2007-01-15 03:49

"The PS3 will instill discipline in our children and adults alike. Everyone will know discipline."

Hello everyone, I am a mother of 5 and it is difficult raising misbehaving children. i recently bought the Ps3 for their Christmas present, and i must say they do their chores and do everything I tell them to do. I would like to thank Sony for disciplining my children

# Here is a quote from Broken_hero's favorite dev — Guest 2007-01-15 05:46

1UP: It's interesting that you think you could do this on 360, though.

Hideo Kojima (creator of the popular Metal Gear Solid): Maybe some nuance or a small details here and there might be different, but I feel that hardware is no longer a matter. I'm just talking about PS3, 360 and PC. Revolution is totally different, but there are really no differences among the other three.

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId+3146425

(Replace + with equals sign in url and go to page 3 to find this quote)

There you go! Any PC, PS3 or 360 can be ported between the 3 systems. Straight from your favorite developers mouth. I told you Broken_Hero.

Stop with this can't be done on a 360 crap, because it can be. It's one thing to say ooohhh look at our cool PS3 exclusive, but don't try and bullshhhh to the public that this game isn't possible on a 360. Your only making a fool of yourself. Anything developed on a PS3 is possible on a 360 and vice versa.

# true — Guest 2007-01-15 05:49

yes, wen i get a PS3...i will put chores b4 Motorstorm....i won't say "I'll do it later" or "MAKE ME A MILKSHAKE MUM!" I will put the controller down and walk away immediatly...perhaps because it sucks? no rumble for instance....kids will be so bored they'll want to play outdoors again.

# an xbot — Guest 2007-01-15 08:24

No offence, but you're a complete tard.

# Your.. — Guest 2007-01-15 09:09

Your Sense is not common you sense is ***** kid ***** *****o moron ***** ass fanboy your just a kid

---

Your Dead

Your Friends are Dead

Your Mom is a Whore

The Whole World Hates You

You Suck at life

Deal With it!

Game Over

# The Streaming Technology and the Use Of Hdd..[PART 1] — Guest 2007-01-15 09:15

Streaming Is a Technique Used By Certain Games [GTA,Lair,God of war] Which is Used to Make a Single Large World That Normaly Cannot Fit in the Systems RAM..

As for Example,a Single Map in Lair is [4GB in Size],The PS3 Has Only 512Mb of RAM,There is No way the Devs can Render the Entire World With This Amount of DATA And Detail So they Use Streaming Technology..

Basicly...Streaming Means as You Walk in the Game,The New areas you are Heading to are Been Loaded,While Others Are Erased While You dont Notice,Giving A Seemless Experience of a Single World While Its Actualy Been Loaded[Streamed ] ALL-THE-TIME.

The Major Bottle Neck in this is the Amount of Data transfer Rate...Which is Decided [Mostly] By the Disc-Reading Speed for the System..

To Put It Simply...The More Amount of Data that Can Be transfared per Second,Will allow Bigger Textures,More Objects,Multipl e Events to Be Loaded[Streamed ] In-real time Without Lag.

Real-time Transfare Rate For Both the 360 and PS3 as Following:

The 360:12x DVD with a Data Transare Rate of 12Mb/Sec as an Average

For the PS3...The Developers,Know ing that the PS3 has Ann HDD as Standard,Can Make Games the are [Engineered] from the Groung-Up to Use the Hdd as a Second Stream..

This Is Different than [Cashing] Like in Oblivion,the Cashing On Oblivion is Used to Decrease Loading Time In Between game Segments [When you Go From Menu to Game,When you Enter into a City..Etc]..the Real-time Streaming in Oblivion is Only Made from the Disc,They cannot Rely on the Hdd to Stream with the Disc-Drive Since that Means that 360 Core Owners Wont Be able to Play the Game..

Basicly..they are using the 360 Hdd as an [Extra],the Game is not Engineered to Use the Hdd,It Only Streams from the Disc.

On the Other Hand PS3 Developers,Havi ng an Hdd in the PS3 as Standard will Have the Abilty to Use 2 Streams:

1)2x Blu-ray at 9Mb/Sec

2)2.5 SATA Hdd [The average Sustained Data Transfare Rate for a 2.5 sata is 34.5Mb.sec]

Check Link for an Example on the Sustained Data Transfare Rate at:

http://www.harddisk.com/harddrive/laptop/st92811a.html

Meaning Developers Can Engineer Games that Uses the Hdd as a [Standard] NOT as an [Extra] meaning if you Dont have an Hdd,The game Wont Work,and will Use 2 Streams:one is 9Mb/Sec and the Other is 34.5Mb/sec Which is A Very High Amount of Data per Sec.

End Of Part [1]

# I guess this is why I keep coming back — Guest 2007-01-15 10:54

Wow my first death threat. I feel so honored! I wonder if it's broken_hero again, since he likes to call me kid.

Have you ever heard the expression "If you can't beat them, join them?"

# here we go again — Guest 2007-01-15 10:57

Oh no there's a part 2. Try not to laugh...

# . — Guest 2007-01-15 11:30

"The PS3 is not a game machine" True, even sony apparently does not know what it is.

"Beating us for a short moment is like accidentally winning a point from a Shihan (Karate master), and Microsoft is still not a black belt. Just like with their operating systems, they might come out with something good around the third generation of their release."

Actually MS got it right this time. That's nothing more than corporate fanboy style talk. Except for a few very minor annoyances, I can't find anything wrong with Windows XP. Truth is, Microsoft is winning by such a wide margin it's like MS has a whole life bar and sony is hanging on with a one hit kill.

"I believe we made the most beautiful thing in the world. Nobody would criticize a renowned architect’s blueprint that the position of a gate is wrong. It's the same as that."

Is the gate the only thing that matters in a building? The "gate" must be the blu ray drive and despite being in the right location, it will not save the "building" from colapse. The PS3 is not bad hardware wise, but it's everything else that's screwed up.

"Microsoft shoots for the moon. Sony shoots for the sun."

I'm not sure what that means. It was covered in an above post.

"This time, Microsoft has stated clearly that it is going after PlayStation. However, they're going not after the PlayStation 3, but the PlayStation 2. They were looking at 2, and that's why Xbox 360 became like that."

If Microsoft was trying to compete with the PS2 when the 360 was designed, they really outdid themselves because it's putting the smack down on the PS3. Again, fanboy style opinions and trash talking.

"With the PS3, our intentions have been to create a machine with supercomputer calculation capabilities for home entertainment."

Yes I need to go home and do very advanced calculus on this machine. It's definately not that great for games!

PS3 is "for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else."

The only thing that's actually true! Exactly the reason I don't want one! It's simply not any better so why work so hard and spend more money on it? There's no reason to want it that bad.

"The PS3 will instill discipline in our children and adults alike. Everyone will know discipline."

Not sure what that means. Isn't playing games all day the opposite of discipline?

"Microsoft is trailing behind us, but they are not a threat. They are good at improving [on products], but we will be advancing to the next level with revolutionary technology."

Ha! Not a threat. Is that why you're losing?

"We’re not going to equip the PS3 with a HDD by default, because no matter how much capacity we put in it, it won’t be enough."

We all know how that ended up. I'm not sure how you're going to fill a 60gb hard drive at this point though.

Kaz is the only sony rep with anything intelligent to say, but he too is exaggerating and sometimes lying.

# Well that was a waste of time. — Guest 2007-01-15 12:27

When you mentioned an article, I thought you either a) had links to an article on this issue, or b) had information from developer interviews on the use of the HDD.

Instead, all we get is the usual recipe of assumptions, guesswork and pseudo facts, all mixed together with touch of wishful thinking, and a few tables*****s of hope.

Part 2? If it tastes as bad as part 1, then no thanks. ;)

BTW, I've already answered in part in that other thread. But really Broken_Hero, who do you think you're kidding?

# lol — Guest 2007-01-15 12:31

The system for filtering out unwanted words can mess up at times.

The word above was t-a-b-l-e-s-p-o-o-n-s ! :)

# ps3 defense secretary — Guest 2007-01-15 16:15

you idiots really do not have a shadow of a clue about the ps3 and its true power don't you find it sort of embarassing that the weak60 is already maxed out after only a year yes it has i really honestly feel so sorry for you wanna be tech specialists you dont understand the hardware design of the ps3 in any way but you keep using your last gen knowledge to try to decipher a truely next gen system you minds are only subpar at most you have no idea what your talking about first of weak60 is nowhere near the ps3 in any way wanna know why because the ps3 is a supercomputer and do you wanna know what supercomputers do they are the machines behind these movies such as the incredibles, madagascar, toy story, final fantasy, cars and even those movies that will have those computer generated dragons, and creatures that dont really exist but look incredibly close to real they also render movies such as the day after tomorrow i know your minds are to weak just as weak as weak180 in comparison to the sheer unparalleled magnitude of the sony playstation 3 super computer and i know even after this post of the truth someone else will try to come up with their lame explanation of why your little miniscule minds believe that the weak180 is even at the shadow of the bondary of the sony ps3 and its true power many of you are saying that the ps3 had shown some fake trailers at e3 05 yes you may be right but then again maybe not those games shown were tech demoes done to the ps3 spec and wonna know one more bumber the graphic chip wasn't even complete at the time of e3 05 and one more bumber even with the incomplete system they were only harnessing 70% of the ps3's power that is extremely scary considering no one will ever use 100% of the ps3's power thats if there is a 100% now many of you poor idiots are so bent on just judging these launch titles as oppossed to the full power of the system you idiots dont even understand that whereas the weak180 is very very close to its limit if not exceeded its limit ps3 is doing its warm-up excercise ill show you idiots just how foolish you are why do you think that microsoft released gears of war right around the time of the ps3 launch gate ill tell you why gears of war was microsofts graphical trump card oh its very much common sense micrfosoft planned this release for a long while they knew the game exceeded what the weak60 was capable of but they knew the ps3 is 2X + powerful as the weak180 and they were doomed if they didnt try to battle the ps3's starting graphics with there best graphics you see microsoft is sort of smart and sort of stupid kinda like you people they released the game at the launch of the ps3 because they knew developers werent going to be able to make that level of graphics at the launch of the ps3 so that was microsofts opportunity to release this gears of war but you boys didnt notice that im no tech but yet i figured that out reason 2 why bill gates even stated,"this game is what the system is built for" in other words thats all the system is able to withstand you know the weak180 may be able to match the ps3 if you had 2 weak180's + something else and here is another scary fact sony said the finalized ps3 hardware was more powerful than expected another bummer guerilla games confirmed killzone 2 is already in developement and some elements already exceed the trailer and you that say that the weak60's current games look better than on the ps3 your far from correct because develpopes say that every game done for the ps3 is only possible on the ps3 because its a supercomputer developers could easily at this point and time stop what they are doing with the ps3 just trying to get the physic power out of the system not so much as to scratch the graphic power im so tired of you idiots saying that the graphic processor in the weak180 being superior to the ps3's your so far from right that im sorry for you you see the ps3's graphic chip had to be compatible supercomputer hardware in order for the system to be able to render the true photrealistic graphics that you will b

# ps3 defense secretary — Guest 2007-01-15 16:18

motorstorm, final fantasy 13, formula 1 championship, killzone 2, metal gear 4, lair, 8 days, unreal championship 2007 except on pc, ninja gaiden sigma, final fantasy versus that aint nowhere near it and you wanna know how ps3 will win this generation like all the others first of lets take wii out because if you were smart youd know they will last no longer than 2 years know why games may start out alright on the wii pretty good but nintendo left a very key element and thats the fact that they made a nice controller new next gen inovative but same graphics now the games are ok but in a few years gamers will and i guarantee they will be looking for truely next gen graphics and i dont mean gears of war now come to think of it there really aint noting next gen about the wiik but now lets turn to why microsoft will loose you see microsoft is doing well, sort of but you say that the 180 is got alot of ps3's exclusives thats because they need them they knew that they got slaughtered without them last time dont worry same thing this time except ps3 will earn back its exclusives you see over the next year as we speak there are games in developement for ps3 and i guarantee they will be exclusives they are secret projects the reason its a guarantee that they will be exclusives is because they are only possible on the ps3s supercomputer hardware now killzone 2 will be released the second half of the year and that means the game has either made it to the level of the trailer or maybe extremely close but guerilla games has promised that the game will exceed the trailer this game without a doubt will not be surpassed for a very very very very very long time guaranteed but i said all of that to say this the reason why this will be the reason that microsoft will loose this time around is the same reason why the ps3 will earn back its exclusives ill explain you see many of the developers have to see to believe alot like you people now when sony shows off these true next gen games they will surely have an example of what they could achieve if they use true time and money like movie making money not chump change and not being lazy like these first few games just to even the playing feild with the weakbox180 already maxed out system basicaly a supped up xbox now the main reason weakbox180 will loose this is because of you the weakbox180 fans know why you 180 fans have been posting on sites for nearly a year and a half about the 180 being more powerful than the ps3 and 180 only being a little weaker or even that the two machines are equal now that is true if your talking about the new 360 the real 360 that will come out in 2011 thats the real next gen of weakbox now if i were microsoft of course i would just give up if i suffered such a hummiliating defeat such as this next 5 or 6 years but they may just try again but now back to the reason that 180 will loose many of you are still saying that the two are equal if thats so then why is the 180 already maxed out yes ill explain how children gears of war really exceeded what the 180 was built for you see ill show you how this is my logic see bill gates said a good while ago that this gears of war is what the 180 is built for now that could only mean 1 thing its the most the 180 specs could stand for and one more thing that i just thought of for the amount of time and money that microsoft epic games and whoever else that was working on the game was the game outta had looked a whole lot better they were working on this game well before e3 05 all the way til november 06' you tell me they also put over 40 millon dollars into building this game now ill ask this once if the 180 is really stonger than the ps3 then why is sony and guerilla games only using 21 million dollars to build killzone 2 now correct me if im wrong but both those numbers are number for the cost for making entire movies so why doesnt gears of war look anyting like a movie it looks miles away from its cutcenes now i will scare you killzone is only the tip of the iceburg for the ps3 the ps3s capacity can us much more money than th

# Your right Kevin — Guest 2007-01-15 17:10

Keep it up.

# ps3 defense secretary — Guest 2007-01-15 19:20

i feel retarded just reading this...

# Cool. — Guest 2007-01-15 22:35

@Devise

That is completely untrue. This year, yes, when the PS3 has just come out and the 360 has been in full swing for a year, the 360 is capable of playing any game currently out for PS3.

However, if you're simply looking at it from a hardware point of view, the PS3's capabilities are far higher than the 360's. While the gpu for both the PS3 and 360 are similar in power, the processing power of the PS3 far outweighs the 360's. And as mentioned earlier, developers can also count on an HDD for use in a game (though somehow I doubt very many developers will take advantage of this).

I'll give the PS3 another year before you start seeing games that graphically shine above the 360's, and 2-3 before you see games that completely trump what 360 is capable of (and not just in terms of graphics - for example, the PS3 will be capable of rendering many more entities on screen than the 360).

@kevin

Please, go back to school and learn some grammar. And lose the blatant fanboyism while you're at it.

# ????? — Guest 2007-01-16 01:05

"Instead, all we get is the usual recipe of assumptions, guesswork and pseudo facts, all mixed together with touch of wishful thinking, and a few tables*****s of hope."

PseudoFacts....My....that is Truly Lame ;)

You mean the Fact that GTA3 and the Upcoming GTA4 is Using Streaming Technology is a "Pseudofact"..??

The Fact that a 2.5 SATA Hdd transfare Data at 34.5Mb/sec is a Pseudofact..??

The Fact that the Average Data Transfare rate for the 12x 360 DVD is 12Mb/Sec

The Fact that Streaming Was Used Because Systems RAM is Not Enough to Contain a Huge Detailed World Like Lair..In which a Single map is 4Gb..??

The Fact that the PS3 has an Hdd SATA as Standard and Can Be easily Used by Developers to stream at 34.5Mb/sec..??

The Fact that Factor 5 is Already Using the Hdd to Acheive the Incredible vast Levels with all The detail...as they Said themselves in the an Interview:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/733/733921p2.html

"The hard drive and Blu-ray can be used to stream enormous amounts of data. All of these things add up to a completely new paradigm "

What Exactly is Hard to Understand..??

When a Less Intelligent Person fails In an Arguement they Tend to Bash an Try to Decrease the Importance of the Others Words....Leave that to "Little Kid" Common Sense...ABC

"I've already answered in part in that other thread"

What Reply....???..You are not Talking about the Way you Used Genji as an Example....if you are Honestly Comparing Foolish-Launch-game Gengi to Lair and Its Advanced Streaming...then i Guess you are No Different than Common Sense

What Is this..???...the 360 Dvd is Fast unlike the Blu-ray so they Dont Need an Hdd....are you Serious..???Its a 12Mb/sec with Non-Constant reading Speed [changing Between Different Areas of the Disc]..the 3Mb/sec Difference Will Make it Faster....Plz

The Hdd will Be Used....It can be Used as a Virtual RAM,Used to Stream Data,as it will Be used in Lair..

The Only Major Problem Right Now is that the PS3 has Just Been Launched and we Have Few Examples or Developers Talking About the Hdd..Aside from Lair Devs

The System is Still New and Considered Powerfull....but as time Pass and Developers Reach a Technological Wall with Limited Ram...the Hdd will Come to Play

This is a Time Issues....But it Will Happen Sooner or Later,Lairs Developers already Said they Are Using it....and Other Developers Will Eventually do..

See you in PART2...if i Ever Have the time..as i am Busy Right Now.

# Nice try! — Guest 2007-01-16 11:36

Let's clarify first what you said in the other thread around here!

http://ps3.qj.net/Lair-video-from-CES/pg/49/aid/79277#comments

>"The PS3 will Exceed the Xbox360...Not Because of the GPU. Not Because of the Cpu [Which will be a major factor]. But Because of the [built-in HDD of the PS3]"

The whole premise of your argument is that the HDD being standard in the PS3 will enable it to do things not possible on the 360. Your article is supposed to be an example of how this will happen on the PS3.

So yes, Pseudo facts because these as not facts which support your argument, these are just facts which anyone can state without understanding them.

So in that context, let's proceed shall we... :)

>"You mean the Fact that GTA3 and the Upcoming GTA4 is Using Streaming Technology is a "Pseudofact"..??"

Yes when you ignore the fact that GTA4 is also coming to the 360 and therefore at its heart will be the same technology which drives the PS3 version.

>"The Fact that a 2.5 SATA Hdd transfare Data at 34.5Mb/sec is a Pseudofact..??"

And fact that it's a benefit to the 360 as much as it's a benefit to the PS3.

>"The Fact that the Average Data Transfare rate for the 12x 360 DVD is 12Mb/Sec"

12.465Mb/sec if I was nit-picking, anyway.... This average doesn't reflect the way it can be used, since developers can optimize the use of DVDs by specific placement of data. I'll explain.

First, information can be arranged so that the data they want to be read the fastest is placed on the outside tracks. Secondly, if there's unused space, they can add dummy files to fill the inner tracks, hence pushing all the game data to the faster outer tracks.

Numerous games on both XBox and PS2 last gen used this technique to improve DVD performance. Hence those creating iso files for piracy purposes on the internet would often delete anything up to a GB of dummy files from the original game.

So to take the 360, if the devs used the last quarter of the DVD for the files they wanted to be read the fastest, the average transfer speed for those files will be 15.6Mb/sec!

>"The Fact that Factor 5 is Already Using the Hdd to Acheive the Incredible vast Levels with all The detail...as they Said themselves in the an Interview:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/733/733921p2.html

>"The hard drive and Blu-ray can be used to stream enormous amounts of data.....What Exactly is Hard to Understand..??"

Obviously too hard for you to understand!!! They do not say one of their levels is 4GB because of the HDD, that was said in reference to BLU-RAY. Or didn't you read it? They also specify the use of the HDD but not HOW it is being used exactly and where, hence your assumptions. Devs of PS3 games which use the HDD to improve load times can say pretty much the same thing as Factor 5 for HDD usage.

>"When a Less Intelligent Person fails In an Arguement they Tend to Bash an Try to Decrease the Importance of the Others Words....Leave that to "Little Kid" Common Sense...ABC"

Tsk tsk. I come from a computing background, 18 years working in the industry to be exact (first as a programmer, and then hardware support and now managing a large network). Started out in the mid 80s programming graphics routines for micro computers in my own time (mostly assembler), before working developing statistics based programs and algorithms, then I moved onto hardware and network support.

I say this because I know my stuff very well, but even I don't pretend to be an expert in fields I'm not currently working in. So fine, if you want to discuss the use of the HDD in terms of what it can do for consoles based upon what you know, then fine, I'm happy to discuss it. But when you act as if you're an expert on the subject and that everything you say are facts, including why it's a benefit to the PS3 but not so much the 360, then I'm going to challenge you. :|

So many of my arguments come from my understanding of how software and hardware works, including the advantages and disadvantages. It's the same reason why I arg

# Nope — Guest 2007-01-16 11:43

"While the gpu for both the PS3 and 360 are similar in power, the processing power of the PS3 far outweighs the 360's. "

The Cell processor is about 50% faster than Xenon in theory for floating-point power, the Xenon CPU is 3 times faster in theory than Cell for running general code. So overall, it's going to be about even for the CPUs, BUT each will be better at some games than others.

So you going to be waiting forever if you think the PS3 will 'trump' the 360.

"and not just in terms of graphics - for example, the PS3 will be capable of rendering many more entities on screen than the 360"

Wrong, for the reasons I've mentioned above, it will be about even, where in some games the 360 can have more on screen at once than the PS3 can handle and in other games, the PS3 will be able to handle more.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but they are too close in terms of power for the PS3 to be as superior as you [want to] believe.

# Cut off in my prime - I'll rewrite the end — Guest 2007-01-16 12:33

So many of my arguments come from my understanding of how software and hardware works, including the advantages and disadvantages. It's the same reason why I argued seemingly forever against those who said Blu-ray means uncompressed textures, faster performance and 1080p, simply because they didn't understand the technology and therefore jumped to conclusions (and some because they were fanboys). Despite being attacked for opposing this point of view (with reasons why), my arguements have since been shown to be correct I believe.

>"What Reply....???..You are not Talking about the Way you Used Genji as an Example...."

Why are you acting as if Genji is the only PS3 game which using the HDD for load times? Do some research please. RR7 is another PS3 game (bringing it's load times down to that of RR6 on the 360), and we can expect many more. And once again, I would say stop jumping to conclusions about how the HDD is being used in Lair, the devs have NOT specified exactly.

"What Is this..???...the 360 Dvd is Fast unlike the Blu-ray so they Dont Need an Hdd..."

I did not say they don't need a HDD (and you know it, but nice try again ;)). I said they did not need to copy 4-5GB of data onto the HDD because the DVD drive was fast enough already. So stop twisting words and stick to the facts please. That includes twsiting words of devs like Factor 5 for your own purposes (which is exactly what you've done regarding HDD usage in Lair).

That all Folks!

# kevin works for sony on the upper managment level — Guest 2007-01-17 02:23

Quit filling the page with double post irrational "i'll follow you to bankruptcy and beyond" fanboy opinionated BS. Learn to make sentences, spell, and use facts to prove something. What a fu*king retard!

Wow you showed me the light! Yeah I'm convinced. I'll just throw away my weak 180 and get a hypestation 3.

# looser — Guest 2007-01-20 01:49

HA ur a complete turd

# YOU ALL ARE A BUNCH OF 14 YR/O PRICKS! — Guest 2007-01-20 02:27

First of all...none of you can write properly.

Second of all...why are you lot arguing? Chances are that your parents will buy you both machines seeing as you are most likely a bunch of fat teenagers with no social life. In buying you both, your parents hope that you will not slit your emo wrists.

***** off you pricks, you are killing our industry!

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