I'm definately surprised after all the complaining Bethesda had about PS3 development that they managed to pump out a good performing release. I guess development issues did push the title an extra 4 months back from it's original release date, to their credit they have spend the time wisely improving the title. Obviously a lot of hard work has gone into the title to make it better than the 360 version (i.e improved textures and load time). It is a good idea, because I don't think many PS3 owners are buying titles that have already been released on the 360 a year or so ago. As the person above me ("a") has found interest in the title simple because of the new improvements.



With over a year development between the 360 and PS3 version, many say a year to port, re-develop and improve is the reason for improvements. I tend to agree. Other say that this is an indication of PS3 power over the 360, it's possible but i have no doubts that the 360 versions could of benefited from extra development. Impossible to tell which one, but it should make great debate and will finally give PS3 owners something to brag about to justify their expensive investmate.

Unfortunately for Sony this game isn't going to be a system seller, but it is probably the best game the system will have on offer until the end of this year.



This title won RPG of the year for 2006, can it win it again for 2007?



Which across platform titles will their be next from comparison? Will Bethesda achievement in porting to the PS3 rub off on another publishers and improve the poor quality we have seen many times before. And maybe the biggest question of all "What will PS3 gamers do without their horse amour?" LOL

over at 1up they wre talkign about how it didn't look quite as good becuase the memory couldn't handle some stuff...



i stopped caring, i own it or 360 and am very happy with it

at 1up they said the couldnt include some extras because there wasnt enough memory

get ur facts straight before u open ur mouth

GG boys i knew this day would come eventually but now i have to go buy a ps3. I knew my 360 was a bit behind times when playing oblivion the console sounded like it was preparing to take off, and take off it did on my electricity bill and heat output. once oblivion comes out ill head jup to target and check out a 3. we lost, game over man...come join me in the fun!

I agree with everything you've said, but that last statement doesn't make sense. The PS3 version includes all add-ons up to and including Knights of the Nine. So they get the Horse Armor.



And I think when you said this "but it is probably the best game the system will have on offer until the end of this year." you were forgetting a few key games, namely GTAIV and MGS4.



Right on with everything else

The 360 consumes far less power than the PC you're on now, less than your fridge even, which is always on. Leaving your TVs on when not in use will cost more than running the 360 for hours every day. Please think before posting stupid nonsense

You shouldn't give Sony credit for some else's work.

The 360 consumes nearly twice LESS energy than the PS3. You take the 360's 160w and compare that to the PS3's 380w and see just which one is costing your electricity bill more.

Bethesda has mentioned a patch will be coming to the 360 version giving it a lot of the upgrades made in the PS3 version. This isn't as big a deal as it appears.

The patch is for PC, not 360. That was cleared up. Go back to looking at jagged mountains.

Please, I have heard of playstation 3 games looking better than 360 games by game developers and websites then when the game is finally released it turned out to be bulls*** fight night, full auto then nba 2k7 and other games and this was by the same website ign this is only hype to make the playstation 3 look better than 360 so that playstation 3 hardware sales can pick up so that there will be two healthy systems on the market not just one then developers will make even more money and there is nothing wrong with that but these lies are going to keep happening but it does not matter 360 has a significant lead on playstation 3 so 360 will always be in the lead so 360 owners there is no need to worry you already got the game.

well said, stop trying to deny the ps3 the credit it deserves this proves with proper development ps3 games are superior to 360s.

So sad to see the Ps3 getting trashed over and over again, even after strong showings like these, this proofs one thing and one thing only...



PPL running other platforms are scared *****less of the PS3 and its shady Cell chip, Everybody knows the PS3 is atleast as strong as the 360, but NO ONE! knows what its limits are yet, wile we all know what the 360 is capable of...

Weapon

posts his link which suits him as it shows what he wants to read/belive.



Devise then shows he can also provide a link which suits him to.



So the Motto is -

Never be the first to post a link because there will always another one with the opposite of what you want to read.

At the end of the day its just a PREVIEW not a REVIEW.



The only read REVIEW of a side by side comparison of the Two machines which had equal devolopment time (though the PS3 had a bit more longer) is this one at the same site --



http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746533p2.html



Read the section just above the tank pic for a quick conclusion.

I'm sure it was mentioned somewhere that Gears of War was nearing the 360s 'ceiling' of performance. Stunning game visuals I have to say....



Very interested to see how the CELL/BE and RSX are going to compete in the future in this generation, I've just bought a UK PS3 and am waiting to get me hands on it in march....I may pick this game up since it's got such good reviews.



I've played this title on the 360 aswell (Crashed a HELL OF ALOT) and it looked impressive then, I'm intreagued as to how they've managed to better that....

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/762/762096p1.html



PS3 Bested By Wii in Japan

They are running scared ?

Hmmm so you have seen Gears which beat Resistance into the ground.

So did anyone think at the time that the 360 was capable of that scrolling whilst showing all the scenery detail and even the tiniest decals on the characters. NO they did not so Nobody knows the limits of the 360 neither then..

Just as Lair pushed the PS3. That doesn't make those games representative of the limits of the consoles!



You can take EVERY console in history and pick ANY moment and find a game which pushes the console to the limits AT THAT TIME.



But as developers learn more about the hardware and find numerous methods, tricks and optimisations they can use, the performance they get out of the console improves!

"I'm a computer science student for 3 years now at the university of Amsterdam, and know a thing or two about a thing or two when it come's to computing architecture."



Please don't give me such arrogant nonsense.



So what if you're a student. I was a computing science student over 20 years ago. Since then, I've been working in the computer industry for 119 years! Starting as a programmer (Z80 assembler, Pascal, C++ etc), to currently managing a large University Network. So I know a 'thing or two' about computing architecture too!



"The stripped down G5's within the 360 have reached its raw polygon pushing/physics calculating limits"



Right from the start you show your ignorance.



To sum up the CPUs (simply) - For both the Cell processor and Xenon within the 360, IBM started from the same PowerPC base. IBM took this PowerPC base processor and added several SPEs to create the Cell processor. For the 360, they took the same PowerPC processor, enhanced the floating-point unit from VMX32 to VMX128 (giving each the floating-point power of about one SPE), and added three of these cores together to create Xenon.



This means Xenon is superior to Cell in the PS3 for running game code, since you have 3 * 3.2Ghz processors compared to just one in the PS3. Hence Xenon offers 3 times the power in this respect. However, Cell in the PS3 is superior to Xenon for floating-point calculations, with 6 SPEs available for games, although hypertheading gives the 360 extra useable power, meaning at worse it has 50% the floating-point power of Cell for games, or at best, 75% of the power.



So on balance, the CPUs are about equal, with Cell running some code better than Xenon, and Xenon running some code better than Cell.



"But let me say it differently, I know the limits of the 360, and no one knows the limits of the PS3's Cell yet"



Again, quit trying to bluff your way with arrogant and ignorant BS. The fact that you refer to the 360's cores as stripped down G5s shows you have NO understanding of the technology involved. And your claim that YOU know the limts of the 360 because you're a computer science student is just laughable.

What about your PC Dumb*****. Thats consuming possibly over 400W of energy if you have a good one, and how about your lightbulbs, (100W each at average) 380W isnt a lot and wont add much to oyur electric bill!

You say -

People are running scared because PS3 gets trashed even after strong showings like this



well just for One second go look at this on this same QJ site -



http://xbox360.qj.net/New-Mass-Effect-screenshots/pg/49/aid/82000



Ok dont you agree it looks a stunning game BUT look at the FIRST post comment and then go a few down to One by Vietone and another by Broken_Hero actually linking the Oblivion PREVIEW there, I think you may have your answer as to how 360 owners also feel.

...I have nothing against you Jago.



Congratulations on being a student and all the best for your finals, but you still have a lot to learn and shouldn't consider yourself an 'expert' because of the knowledge you've gained so far! You may think you know a lot now, but you will soon realise just how much you don't know once you're working in the field.



Like I said, I've been working in computing for almost 20 years, and I'm still learning something new almost every day, and I certainly never claim to be an expert in areas I have little expertise in, i.e. I would never claim to KNOW what the limits are of next-gen consoles when even those working on BOTH consoles do not know themselves. :|

when Bethesda was complaining about the PS3 limitations, everybody's like Bethesda sucks, other developers don't have these problems, etc. Now they're like Bethesda rocks, I'm buying one, etc.



LOL thats true I was just reading the old link about the ram limitations and the posts that followed it.

Comparable to a high end pc myass. I dont see any AA or transparency aliasing on the leaves, i dont see much AF, and i bet the view distance is the same as on the 360 / core PC. And smoother textures? lol, core Oblivion already has fuzzy enugh textures. Its thanks to mods that the PC version is utterly superior in every way graphically and gameplaywise than the console versions :) (360 owner)

LOL and was he one of the ones who only last week was saying how bad the game is after they read about the ram problem the company was having?.

360 and PC owners why are you replying to this news have you not seen this yet ? -



http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/762/762115p1.html





The Elder Scrolls IV: The Shivering Isles Hands-On



Bethesda's first full-fledged expansion,

Video about the new 360 and PC version





http://uk.media.xbox360.ign.com/media/874/874117/vids_1.html

ILuvGames... old dude.. you missed the freakin point, shows you should pay less attention name calling and pay more attention to the things said.



I like the little read up you did, everything you posted springs to mind as comming from the exact same article ive once read, Copy and Pasted ?

"Also the draw distance on the Xbox360 will not reach as far and as clear as the PS3 version. Everyone has always known that the power of the Cell allows more to be shown at any given time."



Cell does not allow tihs. That's a believe stated by dumb PS3 fanboys (like you). Show me a link from ONE developer who says this (and not a biased PS3 exclusive dev thank you very much).

"ILuvGames... old dude.. you missed the freakin point, shows you should pay less attention name calling and pay more attention to the things said."



Missed the point? What point were you making except to claim YOU know the 360 limits and the devs don't!



"I like the little read up you did, everything you posted springs to mind as comming from the exact same article ive once read, Copy and Pasted ?"



I'll take that as a compliment. ;)



BTW, you can do a quick check for copy and pasted comments from online articles by selecting a portion of the text and searching for it (within quotes) via google, yahoo or many other search engines. If the article is online, a match will be found.



I've found numerous copy and paste examples using this method! :)



But seriously Jago, like I said, I've been in the industry for a long time and follow the technology closely. Everything I write is from my own knowledge, and if I do find an article, I would post the link for others to read, not copy paragraphs and claim the words are mine.

i think the improved textures are due to the thing bethseda complained, you see the ps3 has 256mb of dedicated memory for graphics while the 360 only has like 125 (not sue of the exact number) of shared graphics memory



but i do agree this maybe the best game on the ps3 until holiday season, but lair has the potential to be a great game and possibly the mid-year console pusher sony needs

You guys are ridiculous...I own both consoles, and both are great. Each console has its own "must have" exclusives. I play on a 1080 60" Sony XBR2...so I see what both consoles are fully capable of at this point. I do prefer the ps3 as far as it just radiating "quality," (Although the games are sorely lacking at THIS POINT...but the blu-ray is absolutely amazing and beautiful) but the 360 has its benefits also (xbox Live, Halo, Fable, etc.) I'm sure that both consoles will copy each others improvements (Such as xbox upgrading to 1080p & the HD-DVD add on--which keep in mind, makes the price =, sony adding achievements & working on continual online improvements, etc.) Speaking of "i've programmed...blah, blah, blah..." Half the people here probably have (me included...bachelor in computer science and business man.)

And the other half are barely out of high school.

My point is this...both consoles are great...both have to "die for" games (or soon will), and both are more than capable. From a business stand point, you should pray with all your might that both systems are completely successful. It is the competition that keeps both systems striving to edge the other one. Without the competition, the rewards for "massive improvements" fades away. For a better future in gaming, support both and pray they both keep each other on their toes!

This preview about Oblivion IV for PS3 comes from an ign reviewer not from Bethesda, the funny thing is that very recently we saw a blog from 1up saying that Bethesda devs are complaining about what crappy and limited the PS3 is because its RAM system.



What must be emphasized is that this is a first gen game and in opinion of the reviewer is looking better than the same first gen game in the x360. That is remarkable because PS3 is dubbed as being hard to program for, I can only think that Bethesda is doing what must be done, re-code the all thing to make a better use of the PS3 arch.

"you see the ps3 has 256mb of dedicated memory for graphics while the 360 only has like 125 (not sue of the exact number) of shared graphics memory"



Both consoles have 512MB of memory. The PS3 is split in two, with 256MB for main memory and 256MB for video memory. On the 360, devs split it up the way they want, so they can have the same as the PS3 (256MB/256MB), or the can have more memory for main and less for video, or more for video and less for main. Therefore they can have 384MB for video and 128MB for main if they wanted to.

"What must be emphasized is that this is a first gen game and in opinion of the reviewer is looking better than the same first gen game in the x360."



Coming 1 year after the 360 version, it should look better, there's nothing remarkable about that. Bethesda themselves have said the improvements are due to extra developement time.

Man you must be an ..... to come out wiith the "facts". Time makes a huge difference. If gears came out a year later it would be even better. same for any game.. The longer you work on it the better adn more polished it will be come.. It shows you have absolutely no tech or dev experience.

Go ahead and hug your picture of your ps3 (while you wait for the stores to have one).. I love this game. and if i want a PS3 i will have one too. But closed mindedness will always be why you will never see the tree's from the forrest.

I don't feel like watching the video, but as far as I've heard, only Shivering Isles for the 360 is getting the same improvements the PS3 version of the entire game is getting. If that video says otherwise then disregard this.

thats right... but what they really want is a gig 512 both ways

The Xbox 360 has the ability to do 4X antialiasing on a high-definition image essentially for "free", with no appreciable performance penalty. The EDRAM has built in logic to perform Z compare, alpha blending, and resolving anti-aliasing samples into pixels. Normally those operations happen on the GPU, and require not only valuable silicon real estate and on-chip caches, but eat into memory bandwidth as data has to go back and forth to the GPU from the main graphics RAM. The 360 GPU has built that logic into the EDRAM where the back, Z, and stencil buffers live eliminates a lot of data transfer and save time and silicon space on the GPU die itself. Because of the bandwidth savings and absolutely massive bandwidth to EDRAM, the Xbox 360 can perform frame buffer effects like motion blur, depth of field, or lens flare with incredible speed.

"I'm no saying Bethesda is attacking PS3, Im talking about 1up making big headlines about the memory "limitation" of the PS3"



Maybe that's what you MEANT to say, but you actually said "we saw a blog from 1up saying that Bethesda devs are complaining about what crappy and limited the PS3 is because its RAM system".



Sure sounds like you were saying that 1UP reported Bethesda were attacking the PS3 to me. :|



"Dude, you and many others tends to forget that this title is coming only some months after PS3 US launch and final devkits were on devel hands by august/06 if I remember correctly"



Devs were getting final devkits by May 2006 (as announced at E3). The exact time Bethesda got their final devkits during or after that date is anyone's guest, but just the same, the whole project wasn't on hold waiting for the final kits to arrive. How much time do you suppose they had with final 360 devkits before the game was released in March 2006?!



The PS3 version is not some miraculous achievement against all the odds, it is simply a port to the PS3 where Bethesda have used the extra time to make improvements to the engine (and have said so themselves).



http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/738/738319p1.html



"Todd Howard: Our goal is always to make the game look and feel consistent across all platforms. We design the game we want to make and then make that game available on as many platforms as possible. So, it's the same base game as was released on PC/ 360. ***The PS3 is benefiting from us continuing to develop our core technology that drives ALL our Elder Scrolls games.*** Some of that is noticeable on the screen -- like all the new graphic shaders -- and some isn't. The best examples are those new shaders we have for how "near detail" and "far detail" blend together on the landscape. You no longer have a harsh line cutting across the two levels, they blend together seamlessly and the distant detail and land looks much nicer."



So the PS3 is benefitting from the extra developement time for their game engine! Fact.



They have also said this in other interviews;



eg:

http://www.play3-live.com/news-ps3/2153/oblivion-se-fait-scanner.html



"..you might be wondering if the PS3 version of Oblivion sports any technical improvements over the 360 version. The answer: SORT OF. "It has a lot of technical niceties, " Howard says, "just [as a result of] the developement time. One of the things that bothered us was how the distant landscape looked....On the PS3, it's a lot more seamless. We did some new shaders for how it takes information from the background to the foreground and blends all that together. It's a slightly cleaner image"."



Notice the mention of the extra developement time?



"But what about more sweeping changes to things like animation, TEXTURES, or basic gameplay? Turns out, the team wasn't interested in rebuilding the game from the ground up. "That's the game we want to have out there", Howard says emphatically......"Even if we had the ability to, for instance, redo all the art, I wouldn't want to do that""



Hmmm.

The game came out on the 360 a year ago. It's been developed since then of course it's going to have improvements it would be ridiculous to think there wouldn't be. Also I have heard some whispers of those shaders coming to the Xbox 360 via Shivering Isles. Whatever the case I don't think this proves anything. They're both good systems, I happen to own a 360 and maybe down the line a PS3 whenever the price comes down or the game library interests me more. More than anything though I'd say the 360's price and achievments give Microsoft an edge for the time being, we'll see what the future brings.