does this meen

that killzone is possible?

20%

of what, the CPU, or the graphics. The Graphics card is taxed to the limit because it's such and old design. The CPU? I believe it. There's not much to do with it. It's like making a gaming computer with quad Opterons, then sticking in an old 6800 Ultra. Waste of power. By the way, the PS3 does have a 6800 Ultra in it fyi.

sgsdg

what^^^^

lol

^ tsk what a joker! Well, hes a visual director and imo, he talking about the PS3 in general. Of course the gfx arent as good as they can be right now, you *****ing dumbass, what are you retarded you *****ing spacker.

As the owner of a 6800Ultra

I can tell you that what you are seeing with Resistance: Fall of Man is the best you are going to get. The PS3 has woefully underpowered graphics for a "supercomputer"

nah

Fact PS3 already pushing to limit and it doesnt get any better and sonys graphics card cant even do better than xbox360

xbox uses DX

while DirectX is easier to program for, it is far less efficient. So on a technical level, the PS3 will look better, but the difference will be very little at this level.

lol

20%......u mean 110%, an that ***** STILL suk!

great

awsome so this means the ps3 can be 5 times better yuppie. ***** xbox 360:D

What does the PS3 have to offer? Is it too far ahead of it's time?

"We've got games coming out now where we feel we've hit maybe 20 per cent of the potential of PlayStation 3," he says. "It's going to take us a little bit of time to unleash it." Entis admitted the PS3 was more complex than they anticipated but he said EA is confident the the PS3 will be a phenomenal games machine in the future. So it's going to take a little time before games companies can take advantage of the PS3's power is it? This just highlights what I've felt since I first saw the price of the PS3. Pricy console = less consumers = smaller market = games companies developing for other consoles = less games for the console = less consumers = prices staying high . . . and so the cycle continues. I can't help wondering if Sony have bitten of more than they can chew . . . ? If the games on the market can't even use the full potential of the machine, then what is that power there for? By the time the games catch up with the potential of the PS3, Nintendo & Microsoft (or whoever else is involved in the gaming market by then) will have upgraded their consoles, and a lot of consumers will have lost interest in Sony.

i wonder if this is true

cuase i hear all the time that cell is not that much better then other procesors and RSX is extremly old tech and is way way behind what cards are out today, so does this meen the xbox360 is only using say 30% of its power?

to cssflame

its absed on the same structure but its not them same and btw the 6800 for your pc is having power taken up by all the stuff running in the background including the OS while the ps3's gpu is dedicated just to gaming not everything else also its combination with the cell cpu bring its pwoerup by a hell of alot so no resistance isnt the ebst we would see

i'll tell you what's going on here

i have read some very informed opinions, like from the tech gurus at sony, basically they say the following (although i've paraphrased it): the developers are currently simply pushing out launch titles, this means they're effectively using the cell in the wrong way - they're putting most of the processing load on the ppu, and whilst this is the largest part of the cell it is mainly supposed to split everything up and manage the 8 spu's. the next generation of games on ps3 will be built with a little experience and they will start using the raw power of the 8 spu's and the ppu put together, meaning rather than having one strong 3.2ghz processor (the ppu - first gen titles) they will in fact be working with 7 (due to the 8th being redundant) 'quite' strong 3.2ghz processors... clearly they are not using it's full potential. also, graphics performance is not simply a matter of numbers, with the drivers and various configurations available to pc users games makers have to be very general about their approach i can assure you if PC games developers made a game purely for one system configuration at one resolution and without an OS it would look phenomenal = and that's what they will do for ps3. so, yeah, we'll have to wait... but it's exciting don't you think?

also...

EA never bad mouthed the xbox360, they never even said they were using 100% of x360, so in fact this is simply one of those news articles to make ps3 owners happier, not incite flaming... i have heard that for x360 they only recently properly started using 2 of the 3 cpu's inside it, so i reckon there's more to come from that system too (also i prefer ati's approach to graphics card making, but nvidia have built an impressive machine in rsx even if the 8800gtx makes it look like a child's toy)

Complete idiots

I love how people who don't know about an issue like to argue about it -.- The PS3 like ALL consoles has not tapped its full potential. Look at ANY system EVER made and you will see a gradual progression in graphics as the system ages because companies learn how to use the tech in it. The PS3 RSX is based off of the same architecture as the 6800, and when looked at basically, it is similar to duel 6800's, but what people don’t understand is that in a console, this is outstanding. Why you may ask? BECAUSE ALL THE CONSOLES HAVE THE SAME SET UP!! Everyone single one. Because of this complete optimization can be had unlike computer games because of the lack of conformity in computer tech. Additionally the Cell processor is able to back up the RSX creating an even greater potential. This is why the PS3 first gen games are only harnessing 20%. Games WILL become greater than ANYTHING we have seen so far. The PS3 does, without a shadow of a doubt, have the potential to have killzone caliber graphics, and will. Latest one will have to wait will be 2-3 years. In 4-5 they will be even better.

Its a 7 series GPU not 6

The RSX is designed from a 7800, which in fact is twice the power of a 6800 in game test.

here here

and, if you ask me the people to start using the true guts of ps3 are not EA but studios which have previously really opened up ps2 - i'm talking of course about squeenix and kojima productions! that's right, i reckon what snake eater (or maybe only mgs2) did for ps2, mgs4 will show for ps3. and ff13, no matter how long i have to wait i'm going to keep an eternal vigil waiting for that game!

wel

EA have said about the same time after the launch of the 360 they were using 50% of its capabilities, so im not sure if its to make them happier or just devs admitting that they have some things to learn still but none the less it shows that the ps3 has more potential out of the box than the 360 in ea's eyes

lol

i love it when game designers talk about power when they dont even know the definition, most of them were *****ty csc majors not engineers. Power = dW/dt and more specifically IZ^2 in computer/electrical engineering. 20% of its power, what power, which components, power diminished? how bout EA's "Chief Visual Officer" shuts the ***** up. that sounds like an idea.

are you sure it's a 7800?

When I saw the first Sony PR releases on the RSX, they said it was a modified 6800 core. It's possible they changed it, lemme look. Also, the graphics card does not run background progams, and I have almost all services turned off. Also remember the PS3 has one core an a good amount of RAM dedicated to it's OS too.

Funny

I love it how after this artical the other system fans have started writing negative comments i think ps3 fans should take this as a good thing. Just shows their threatned that they spend $ on something which will be outdated if what EA is talking about is true then well heres to the future.

G70

It appears to be a modified G70 core. Prototyped prior to the G71(The class including the 7800). 90nm(high power draw+heat gen). I completely forgot that they need to have the power to run everything at 1920x1080(1080p). My original statement of it being underpower still stands. It's about 1.5x a 6800 Ultra, but it has to do HD, which takes alot.

RSX

More info: It's approximately as powerful as a 7600GT, due to the restricted pipeling (FlexIO) between the Cell and the Graphics card (128bit on the PS3, as opposed to the standard 256bit of a computer).

A 6800 Ultra?

Then it is a 6800 "Ultra" with only 128bit interface. The graphics card of the PS3 is maxed out already. Only the CPU could still get maxed out yet. And what sense makes a 6800 "ultra" with 128bit interface with a core2duo@3Ghz? The same sense like a Radeon 9500 128bit with a Core2duo@3Ghz. It is nearly the same. They could have stuck in there a radeon9500 with 128bit interface! (then it only would have no HDR-Rendering+SM3.0) Did you guys notice they are using the same method of "HDR" for the PS3 games that are used on every HL²engine game? (fake HDR) -possible on radeon9500 cards too... (with less slowdown on SM3.0 cards then real HDR)

correction

The 7600GT is about 5-10% faster than the 6800 Ultra, not 200%. Source:http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/videocards/article.php/3211_3628156__8

Sigh same scenerio

Has anyone here followed the launch of the PS2? It's the Same ol Crap! A complex hardware setup "scared" developers who found it difficult to build games for. A high price cause analysts to claim "Sony going down" and competition trumped their cheaper and similar (graphically) machines as superior. In the end the PS2 sold the most and tons of devs made games for the machine reguardless of competition with machines much easier to develop for. Also, look at the games that came along with the release of the PS2 and then at the end of the PS2, it's hard to imagine the same machine pumped out those visuals. Give the PS3 time and devs will learn it's ins and outs so that better looking, better playing games will continue to come down the pipeline and when it comes time for the next gen, we'll all be saying "Man Resistance looks like crap compared to Resistance 4" or "This new racing game looks 400 times better than Motorstorm did".

PS3 vs 360

The thing that was a disappointing is that the 360 launch titles look better than the PS3 launch titles. So all that power is going to waste and the 360 is winning with smarter hardware that is more balanced for gaming. Don't buy into the fact that it could be more powerful! Let's wait and see. If it takes 2-3 years to catchup to the quality of the 360 titles, sony have lost.

Not really trying to "flame" Sony . . . but

I feel that I should clarify the concerns that I voiced in my earlier post. Having re-read my comment I can see that it looks as though I am merely knocking Sony for having a better console than it's competition, this is not the case. My concern is that whilst PS3 lovers and users will defend the console against bad publicity, (I caught a news article on the BBC reporting that the PS3 is too expensive, and there will not be many in the UK for Christmas,) this negative publicity WILL have a negatve impact on the sales figures for the console. Admittedly I do not fully appreciate the technical superiority of the PS3 because I do not fully understand it, but I think that a lot of gamers will feel the same way. Also, raw power and superior graphics and speed aren't all that it takes for a game to be popular. At the end of the day, most console users just want to have fun, and there's only so much that speed and graphics can add to game quality before it starts to just add too much to the price. I have to agree with Devise and say that if it takes a couple of years for the games to start to tap into the PS3's full potential, then Sony have released a console that is too far ahead of it's time. NB (I really don't want the PS3 to fail, I think that the PS2 and PSP are great consoles but it bothers me that I wont be buying a PS3 until the price has dropped, by which time the market will have changed, possibly to Sony's detriment, because I can't justify spending 500 odd pounds on what is essentially just a toy.)

Wrong, actually

It has the equivalent to the GeForce 7800.

ps3

my ps3 is more then just a toy its my one and only computer running yellow dog lunix on it . It was a two for one deal in my case...

only 20% of muscle?

give EA some Nitrotech and Celltech....that will buff them up

exactly

this is exactly what I've been trying to say for a while. look at a ps2 launch title, and compare it to something like GT4, FFXII, and MGS3. IF you compare them, to the untrained eye oen would believe that the ps2's hardware had been upgraded, however thats not the case. It takes time for the full potential of a console to be unlocked. and when it doesn, its an amazing feat. the ps2 was supposedly difficult to dev for when it first came out, the same is happenning with ps3. but in the end, everything works out. since the 360 utilizes DirectX its much easier to develop for. meaning that the 360's full potential can more easily be discovered. Which leads peope to beleive is Gears of War is the best looking game the 360 will ever get (mind you its an amazing game all around, but i believe UT 2007 will be better). overall what im trying to say is.. theres no such thing as instant sucess (except in Nintendo's case with some of their products, but i dont find it fair to compare the Wii (strictly gaming) against much more superior (overall entertainment) machines, so i never add them into my points). the point is, everything has potential, be it people or gaming systems. It can be a very long, grueling, laborious process, but once that power has been harnessed... all hell will break loose.

It's a toy

The PS3 is a games console. It is competing in a games console market against the Nintendo Wii and the XBOX 360. It's a toy.

Vladimere

The Playstation 3 is the most advanced video game system ever made. With eight cell processing and the RSX graphics card it has taken gaming to a new level. See http://www.games-asia.com/playstation3with60gbharddrive-p-1347.html The Japanese system is really a system that can be played anywhere in the world with region free coding for Playstation 3 games and the system supports Blu-Ray Movies region A from Japan USA and Asia, and DVD movies that support region 2 Japan and Europe.

It's a toy

And a rather pricey one at that.

Another similarity

PS2 had MGS2 come out about a year after it's launch and that really set the console up there. PS3 has MGS4 coming out about a year after its launch and its going to set the console up there once again.

What you are hearing is not true

Cell is a fundamentally new architecture for a CPU. If you are interested in some docs about Cell: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/cell/documents.html Also check out what the concept of an 'appulet' is.

Give me a scientist any time

Engineers don't spend much time trying to find the best way to do something. They prefer the first thing that comes to mind that will work.

PS3 shill

yeah, you are too coherent for a fanboy. Also, the cell is 7 cores, they shut one off due to production defect chances. Also, one core is dedicated to the OS. No one cares about Blu-ray. It has only 256MB ram, which is stupid. Also, as a PSP owner, screw firmware updates.

Not ahead of time

Sony build products that are supposed to last longer then 3 years. So, they are building it for the year 2010 for when Ps3 will be at the end of it's lifecycle.

you underestimate the power of knowledge

By the time MS comes out with the new generation I think Ps3 will still be able to compete like Ps2 vs XBox. The Xbox was technologically superior but never beat the PS2.

ok.....

except there wasn't an alternative like gee original xbox a year later..... This time its not the same scenario. I'll have to side with MS on this one, being the first one on the market is very significant because all attention gets diverted to just that system (just like Ps2). By the time Ps3 came out, it was too late, developers will just continue to make games on 360 and port them to the Ps3. If Ps3 has wich i know it has, it won't be used like the PS2s, in fact it is thesame scenerio except its the xbox 360 instead of the Ps3 this time. 360s potential will improve and just be ported to the PS3. THINK PEOPLE. Xbox 1 was way better than PS2 graphically, but developers didn't take time to imporve them for the xbox, they just kept them on the same evel as PS2's. So I think you're right about the same scenario, except as I said before, tables have turned and xbox 260 will dominate now.

nope

Well first off PS2 wasn't first it was the Dreamcast... which was utterly doomed and overlooked in the end. So your comparison there is wrong. Secondly people are paying a lot of attention to PS3 I mean its got lots of amazing titles (exclusives) in development that will be coming out in the next year or so. Your assumption that a year head start will make everyone jump ship is nothing more than a pipe dream. These are still the same companies and still being backed almost identically.

wow

"No one cares about Blu-ray." Talk about the understatement of the year. Games on blu-ray and the blu-ray movies are drawing tons of attention. I love the fact I can play those HD movies with my PS3 along with my great games. Saying nobody cares about blu-ray seems like a cover up way to just brush it aside.

foolish

"The thing that was a disappointing is that the 360 launch titles look better than the PS3 launch titles. So all that power is going to waste and the 360 is winning with smarter hardware that is more balanced for gaming. Don't buy into the fact that it could be more powerful! Let's wait and see. If it takes 2-3 years to catchup to the quality of the 360 titles, sony have lost" That is such a ridiculous post. The first gen call of duty3 for the ps3 looks equally as good as the 360 second gen call of duty 3. First gen call of duty 2 for the 360 looked horrible. Learn more about the evolution of a system before making those kind of inaccurate statements. The ps3 at launch is creating visuals at the very least as good looking as the 360 in its second generation of game releases, which should be a worrisome thought for MS.

it was a joke

ps3 is going to be better no matter what and blu ray is way better then hd dvd

ppl should read this article

its an 11 page un-biased comparison of the ps3 and 360 hardware. though i think 360 owners will enjoy the read a little more... http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1

not caring

about this kind of post, I mean, I don't care about "sleeping giants", I just want him to "get up". Anyway, we'll wee the true power of the ps3 when the second gen of game will pop on the ps3 ( NOT BEFORE next year ( end 2k7 or early 2k8 ). And dah, everyone know the ps3 is more powerfull, DAH! devs just have to use multi-tread apps. and it'S done, the ps3 is the best. But I'll buy mine only in early-mid 2k7! maybe with bladestorm or MGS4! with a big warranty, lol. ps: I now hate M$, I bought an xbox360 and after a week I returned it to bestbuy! IT'S CRAP, it's like an old 166Mghz PC with a SUPER NOISY fan! I really hated it, and I liked my xbox1! I suggest that if you want to buy an xbox 360, wait till mid-2k7 because M$ will have it's new CPU and the fan will be a lot nicer. But I suggest you simply do not buy an xbox 360, that's for sure... buy a wii is you play for rapid action and fun but small recreation, and buy a ps3 if you're hardcore or a japanese style of games lover ( or if you liked the ps1/ps2 ). but do not buy an xbox360... it's crap, and you pay to play online, the two others ( wii/ps3 ) are free, M$ is stupid, they should make it free... so stupid... and gay...

Wow, the 360 dudes jumped on this right away.

They still claim the Cell's defective. They still claim the 360 has twice as much RAM (in reality, the 360 doesn't even have CPU RAM). And they obviously don't want to bring up the XDR ram used for Cell, which runs at 5 times the clockspeed of the 360's GPU RAM. Whoever at Microsoft got the idea that running a CPU on high-latency GPU Ram should be fired. It's horrible for CPU performance, and ends up negatively affecting the GPU since it has to fight a secondary chip for resources. Some of the 360 fanatics only get more desperate with every passing day. I guess it'll keep getting worse as PS3 titles keep pulling further and further ahead of what the 360 can achieve. Motorstorm, F1 Championship, and Heavenly Sword are just the beginning. We still have Lair, Warhawk, MGS, Final Fantasy, Killzone, and a bunch of secret titles to look forward to.

I still think

I still think that Sony have focused too much on power rather than gameplay, besides, by 2010 the PS3 will have started to look dated and the other companies will be catching up with the speed. I'm not knocking Sony for looking ahead to the future, I'm just saying they're looking too far ahead and assuming that games that need loads of power will be loads better, when I personally feel that once a game reaches a certain level of complexity it stops being fun to play. Like I said, there's only so much that speed and graphics add to a game before they just add to the price.

lol

thats so full of crap only using 20% hahahahaha what a crappy excuse for sony being liars and cheats... "omfg ps3 has uber gfx" Liar sony person "omfg ps3 stutters and lags more than the wii" truth be told

i disagree

Except dreamcast wasn't as similar to ps2 like xbox was. same goes for the gamecube. Maybe you're dreaming about all those "great" titles coming to the Ps3. Most of them are already multi-plaform. Sony losing all exclusives. GG. Can't say anything about that. means developers can risk to develop just for the PS3.

LOL

check this out http://nexgenwars.com/ whats the matter sony fans? feeling awfully alone right now????

wow

I love when idiots post that nextgenwars crap. Please try again. And neither the 360 nor the PS3 are even close to reaching their full potential. In the long run, the PS3 has the advantage and I believe will come out on top. In the short run, MS is killing everyone. With the reports of the japanese 360 sales not doing well even with the release of blue dragon, I'm not worried in the slightest. The only other game Sony has to defeat is Lost Odyssey in Japan. If that flops, Sony will retake Japan and then work its way to the top in America once again.

wow

ALL OF YOU, I SUGGEST YOU READ THIS: http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1 THIS IS most un-biased article about Xbox 360 vs PS3 I've read. Turns out theoretically, 360's GPU is almost 6x more efficient than the RSX. I read the article and I was really stunned. Sony's CPU isn't that bad either. I still say that SONY - CPU MS - GPU. So they both come out about even. You can't really draw any conclusion from that, but PS3 is more expensive (due to BluRay I guess) So overall, both have their ups and downs. It will honestly come down to games this gen, not the hardware. Both have some much potentially, it's not even funny.

"Talk about the understatement of the year."

"Games on blu-ray and the blu-ray movies are drawing tons of attention." Source? "I love the fact I can play those HD movies with my PS3 along with my great games." Reason HD is better? "Saying nobody cares about blu-ray seems like a cover up way to just brush it aside." I'll gladly debate it. HD-DVD is going to fail too, just in a less spectacular way.

Above Zach:

Fanboys aren't ignorant, they just believe in things that aren't so.

Get your shoes on

We're walking through the valley of the ignorant

In terms of games

Launch games on the PS3 look just as good as 2nd generation games on the Xbox360. RFoM is an amazing game in graphics and gameplay above many of the Xbox360 games. Then lets look at Armored Core 4. Which looks amazing and much more detailed in most Xbox360 games. Look at Motorstorm, Xbox360 doesnt have a racing game with such detail. GTHD or now the Demo has been shown with much higher resolution, quality, and detail then PGR or the screens of Forza. To say that the Nvidia RSX is a modified 6 series graphics card is stupid. It was designed along with the 7 series and has the same advantages. No one knows about how the Cell truly operates except developers. Its been shown to be able to render its own graphics to a certain degree. It can render models like crazy as shown in medical tech demos of the human body. Add that with the power of the RSX and who knows what you might get. The RSX was designed to be depended on the Cell processor and therefore once both are utilized properly can you tell what the PS3 is capable of. Ps3 will easily be able to do anything the Xbox360 can. People say GoW. I say UT2K7 for the PS3, which as of now has not been in development for the Xbox360. No announcement has been made and if they were working on a Xbox360 version, they would have said so by now. So there must be problems in making a Xbox360 version if they havnt started development of it. So the Xbox360 has disadvantages too. Nvidia is better at OpenGL games which the unreal engine uses. ATI has been a little better in DirectX. those who think the Xbox360 supports directx10 will be sadly mistaken. The ATI chip may be able to render games in DirectX10 but it will be at such a poor frame rate that it wont ever happen. Only the newest 8 series GPUs from Nvidia are designed for DirectX10 and a single 8800 performs at the same level as 2 7800s. ATI on the other hand has yet to release a DirectX10 GPU. Those who say that 256MB for a graphics card isnt enough are mistaken. 256Mb is plenty enough to run games in 1080 resolutions. I have been outputting 1080i from my PC to my projector over HDMI since day 1. I can run Source games at 1920x1080 with well over 30 FPS and averaging 50FPS with a 7800GS AGP graphics card. What some of you dont realize is that the GPUs are overpowered for their generation. Every new graphics card is being bottlenecked by the processor. Even the ATI 1900 series and Nvidia 7900 series have yet to be maxed out because of CPU bottlenecks. This is where the Cell comes in. More processors means less bottleneck. The Xbox360 CPU has been completely maxed out by the HD DVD addon, all 6 threads. GoW uses quite a bit of power as well because there are times when you can see the bottleneck with scenes of intense particles. 2007 will be the deciding factor in how games will look.

FINALLY!!!

A word from someone who knows his stuff!! THANK YOU the REAL Vietone! You get a gold star; don't spend it all in one place. An article that is pro-PS3 gets over 50 negative responses within less than half a day... It amazes the h3ll out of me that when a credible company says something GOOD about the future of the PS3, the opposition crawls out of the woodwork IN DROVES to either suppress or debunk the info with rumors.

pro-ps3

It's not pro-ps3, it's flat out wrong. It's PR and it's being posted as news, guh. Also, Armored Core 4 is also for the 360, so your point about it looking better than any 360 game is recursively incorrect. Also note that those screenshots you are seeing are not the finished product.

Qoute from IBM:

"We still don't know why they are using the Cell in their Console" and BTW: like i already said: with a 128bit interface, they could have also used a radeon9500. It is nearly as slow as a radeon9500 (bandwith too low). And between GF7 and GF6 is not much more power when both use 128bit. When it would have a GF6 with a 384bit interface(or even bigger), i would trust them, that it is not maxed out yet... But 128bit.... I would say they are at their physical maximum already. No matter if GF6 or GF7. Bandwith issue is bandwith issue.

Really?

>"Which leads peope to beleive is Gears of War is the best looking game the 360 will ever get" Which leads me to believe some people are incredibly stupid. I hope you're not one of them. :|

One word.

>"ps: I now hate M$, I bought an xbox360 and after a week I returned it to bestbuy! IT'S CRAP" Liar! You've never been a fan of the 360, so don't give me that crap. I bought a PS3 the other day, and I sold it because it's crap. See, anyone can act a fool online and claim anything they like. Grow up! PS. Anyone who uses the word 'gay' to mean 'bad' only reveal themselves to be stupid little kids.

PAY ATTENTION: JEALOUSY it can destroy the mind

what can i say..i really dont know. the ps3 rsx...an modefied g6800...i wont even comment on that..but i,l say this. ---------------------------- the ps2 never won the previous war with [100MILLION] sold...because it had superior graphics..in reality it only carried [less than 50%] of the xboxone..and was harder to develop for ---------------------------- the ps2 reigned becuase it had exclusive-[ORIGINAL]-games that shattered the limitation of the system....Shadow of the collusus..[a unique,original masterpeice....offered graphics and animation that are technically dazzling]...there is not a single game on both the xboxone and the xbox360 that can compare to it. in terms of originality...or in technical achievement..the game won the game develepors awards...and showecased why the PLAYSTATION is favoured by consumers. --------------------- sony has the support of square-enix....a company..[with FFXII] redifined what the ps2 is capable of...watching the graphical achievement of the game and the animations and comparing them to launch games...you can only laugh the difference is overwhelming.... ------------------------------------ it is because of the brilliant-minds behind developers like square-enix and konami that made the PLAYSTAION what it is....never the graphical capabilties of the system...if the ps2..the weaker console of the previous generation...[could offer us games like FFXII and shadow of the collussus]...what are we to expect from the ps3...powered by the most powerful cpu...and easier to develop GPU by nvidia..The RSX -------------------------------------- when square-enix releases final fantasy XIII...only then....we will see the capabilty of the ps3...the game engine..THE WHITE ENGINE..is desined from the ground up to use the CELL PROCESSORS SPU,s and thus will showcase the full..[proccesing and GPU]power of the system...and will set a benchmark of what can expected from next gen games...square-enix always did that..always pushing the system beyond...what you think...can be accomplished. ------------------------------ until these brilliant games arrive...this speach is meaningles.....EA was never a company to showcase graphical capabilties...and multiplatform games cannot be used to compare...the only posts found here...[are posts of blind jealousy]...And probaly.[SOME MICROSOFT MARKETEERS]..whose main job is spread inaccurate information.. P.S: if the RSX is G6800...how did it play final fight round3 and NBA2k7 graphically better though theyr early on the systems life....yeah..i didnt think so.

What an idiot!

>"Launch games on the PS3 look just as good as 2nd generation games on the Xbox360." This is meaningless. The PS3 was suppose to launch in Spring, but was delayed until November, giving ALL the game 6-9 months extra time. Look at 360 games 6-9 months after launch and tell me there is no difference. The games looks similar because the power is similar. It's as simple as that. >"RFoM is an amazing game in graphics and gameplay above many of the Xbox360 games." And was in developement for about as long as Gears of War. It was one of the few PS3 games at E3 2005 to shot realtime gameplay, and was called I8 back then. So running on a console of similar power or slightly more power compared to the 360 is going to yeild great results. >"Then lets look at Armored Core 4. Which looks amazing and much more detailed in most Xbox360 games." And let's look at Lost Planet which also looks amazing and has much more detailed than most XBox 360 games AND PS3 games. Oh and, Armoured Core 4 is being released for the 360 too you idiot! http://xbox360.qj.net/America-meets-mechs-new-Armored-Core-4-trailer/pg/49/aid/74825 'now intended for both Sony's PlayStation 3 and Microsoft's Xbox 360.' >"Look at Motorstorm, Xbox360 doesnt have a racing game with such detail." And where's a comparible racing game to measure it against? So give it a rest. That's like me saying where's the PS3 game which has realtime Global Illumination, as seen in 360 games like Blue Dragon (hence the almost CGI look) and Halo 3. Just because YOU haven't seen it doesn't mean it can not be achieved. So game of "well show me this then, well show me that" are best left to the kids in school. >"GTHD or now the Demo has been shown with much higher resolution, quality, and detail then PGR or the screens of Forza." Fistly, PGR is a COMPLETELY different type of game, secondly, Forza 2 looks more detailed imo, especially the environments, and I believe offers much more, including damage and better AI. So which is better is a matter of opinion. But the following really sums you up Vietone. >"People say GoW. I say UT2K7 for the PS3, which as of now has not been in development for the Xbox360. No announcement has been made and if they were working on a Xbox360 version, they would have said so by now. So there must be problems in making a Xbox360 version if they havnt started development of it. So the Xbox360 has disadvantages too." This has to be the most stupid comment I've read in a long time, even coming from you. EPIC made a decision long ago about which games they were developing for each console, and they decided on Gears of War for the 360 and UT2007 for the PS3 (and PC). To say they didn't bring UT2007 to the 360 because of problems making a 360 versions IS AS STUPID as anyone claiming GOW wasn't brought to the PS3 because of problems with Sony's console. You are so biased towards Sony that even for games like UT2007, you are happy to choose fanboyism over logic. I'll ignore the rest of your pointless little arguements, because I've read some dumb posts from you in the past, but with posts like this you really prove you are are stupid as you look. http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o188/vietone206/DSC01398.jpg

Killzone is as possible as Motorstorm ;)

Watch the render-video from 2005 and then the game from now! You will see that it is possible! *cough*

Annoy, what can I say.

>"A word from someone who knows his stuff!! THANK YOU the REAL Vietone! You get a gold star; don't spend it all in one place." He doesn't know his stufff, he's just a Sony fanboy who is saying what other fanboys like to hear. Nothing more, nothing less. He ends by saying "2007 will be the deciding factor in how games will look.". Funny that, because I remember so many fanboys saying how the PS3 was going to blow the 360 away from day one (you know, those who stupidly believed the PS3 was twice as powerful). I look forward to all the excuses next year when fantastic looking games are seen on BOTH CONSOLES, but still shows that overall, there is nothing much to seperate the 360 and PS3.

Here's the FULL interview with Glenn Entis!

http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=21563 And here's the bit that was left out; "GI: Once that power is unlocked, do you think the games will be much better looking than those for Xbox 360? Entis: I don't know. We'll probably see some differences between the platforms, but those differences... I don't think I could generalise to say better or worse looking. I think there's probably going to be differences between the platforms - in some cases in simulations, in some cases fidelity of the animation, in some cases graphics. There will probably be some generalisations, but even then it may be differences team-by-team or game-by-game too, depending on what people decide to focus on." Which again confirms the arguement that you're not going to see much difference between multiformat games on the 360 and PS3, at least not from EA!

Hah are you serious?

Seriously d00d get a really computer. The PS3 sucks as a computer, you might as well get a P3 with 512MB of ram and it will run better.

Your foolish

Obviously you haven't seen the reviews on gamespot.com or the comparison vids that clearly show the 360 has more detail over the PS3.

Read B!tch

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage+1 Read and learn.

Thanks for that link.

It's put a different perspective on the comment which PSU.COM focussed on (not surprisingly).

no 100 million this gen

So what happens with this time when you start loosing all your exclusives? You have 2 good competing consoles. The PS2 only had 1 failed console and a late to gate new comer. If you really believe the PS3 is going to be as successful as last gen, then you really are blind.

annoying..

[quote; FloW3184] » Killzone is as possible as Motorstorm ;) Watch the render-video from 2005 and then the game from now! You will see that it is possible! *cough* [/quote] why do you noobs do that.. **cough** thing..? its annoying, and you didn't even do it porperly.. n00b.

owned.

umm you spelt "properly" wrong. noob.

um

" By the time MS comes out with the new generation I think Ps3 will still be able to compete like Ps2 vs XBox. The Xbox was technologically superior but never beat the PS2." are we talking sales now? i thought we were talking graphics, in which catagory the xbox destroyed the ps2. the only reason the ps2 was a big contender was the large library of lackluster games.

Yeesh

CSFFlame you need to stop playing Pheonix Wright because you just press on the wrong statements. I can't quite take a public opinion poll, but I can say anyone looking to buy a PS3 will buy atleast 1 BD movie and knows that the games are on BD so they will never be multi-disc. You ask a reason why HD is better... have you seen stuff in HD. There is a distinctive difference in appearence that is so much better. If you don't get that I don't know how you can debate about HD in the first place. The worse case scenario is BD movies are just looked over some, but still made (like UMD movies) and people still buy them. All the games will still use the format and people will buy those like crazy. That of course is the worse case scenario.

ugh Devise

You have no proof that Sony is going to lose all its big name exclusives. Companies trust Sony still and will be giving it all those games that made the PS2 great: Virtua Fighter, Metal Gear Solid, Ratchet and Clank, and more. You yourself and living in a dreamwold thinking Sony is going to lose its backing for pretty much a year heard start from another system. Talk about a pipe dream.

NOT SO...

Actually all of the processor cells together render a single but very powerful 3.2ghz. And not always that fast either...they can go up to 3.2ghz collectively...Just had to clear that up.

XboX 360 no better than...

It's true, the XboX 360 is no better than a PSP, and the PSP is more portable. Thumbs WAAAYY up for SONY! Too bad MicroSUX!!

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Killzone - very possible. This means that in about 4 years those ps3 games in the bargin bin will make motorstorm look like it was cartoony knock off and with the space on the bluray, the PlayB3yond mantra will really be true.

When they say taxed...

They mean the full system. The graphics card isn't taxed already... unless you think that the games that come out in 5 years will look only the same equilivant. And what can the processor do? How about the first console with perfect physics engine - where every factor in the game adds to how your player walks, your cars lose rubber strips on the road, your airplanes go into a flat spin - all because everything is taken into account from windspeed, to road and tire tempatures, weight and forces, and even potential energy. And it is the equal of the 7800 - which is a beast and kicks the hell out of anything seen in the console world as of yet

ea's just a multi-porter with no real skill

just as i said EA is just a multi-system porter.. they make origanal games heh.. and when they get an origanl idea they ruin that by bad controls or stupid other things in the game.

Your the idiot

"This is meaningless. The PS3 was suppose to launch in Spring, but was delayed until November, giving ALL the game 6-9 months extra time. Look at 360 games 6-9 months after launch and tell me there is no difference. The games looks similar because the power is similar. It's as simple as that." When you finish a game its finished regardless if the console is delayed or not. Do you really think all those studios used that extra 6-8 months to continue working on the game. NO they worked on other projects because its stuipid to waste resources for a port. "And was in developement for about as long as Gears of War. It was one of the few PS3 games at E3 2005 to shot realtime gameplay, and was called I8 back then. So running on a console of similar power or slightly more power compared to the 360 is going to yeild great results." Care to explain how the game was in development for just as long. As far as I remember it was finished as a launch title when they were going to launch the PS3 in the spring "And let's look at Lost Planet which also looks amazing and has much more detailed than most XBox 360 games AND PS3 games. Oh and, Armoured Core 4 is being released for the 360 too you idiot!" Lost planet isnt that highly detailed. And my comparison about armored core 4, with everyone knowing that the game is on both systems, is showing that the PS3 is already up to par on the Xbox360. "And where's a comparible racing game to measure it against? So give it a rest. That's like me saying where's the PS3 game which has realtime Global Illumination, as seen in 360 games like Blue Dragon (hence the almost CGI look) and Halo 3. Just because YOU haven't seen it doesn't mean it can not be achieved. So game of "well show me this then, well show me that" are best left to the kids in school." Blue dragon is far of on CGI standards. Also Have you seen the screenshots of Halo3? It looks just identical to Halo2. Why do you think Bungie hired a company to do a pre-rendered video for the commercial? Because at this point the graphics are the same as Halo2, read the EGM magazine. "Fistly, PGR is a COMPLETELY different type of game, secondly, Forza 2 looks more detailed imo, especially the environments, and I believe offers much more, including damage and better AI. So which is better is a matter of opinion. But the following really sums you up Vietone." No PGR is not a different type of game, it was designed to be a counter to GT. Forza was designed to be a counter to GT. And if you for one, think that the cars or envrionments in Forza beat GTHD at this point, you are blind. Its clear that the tracks are more detailed. The environment is more detailed. The cars in the game itself are much more detailed. To say that the AI in forza is better, the AI in forza is too easy. I can make several mistakes in a race and still end up winning, and thats not something you can do in GT. Talk about realistic AI. "This has to be the most stupid comment I've read in a long time, even coming from you. EPIC made a decision long ago about which games they were developing for each console, and they decided on Gears of War for the 360 and UT2007 for the PS3 (and PC). To say they didn't bring UT2007 to the 360 because of problems making a 360 versions IS AS STUPID as anyone claiming GOW wasn't brought to the PS3 because of problems with Sony's console. You are so biased towards Sony that even for games like UT2007, you are happy to choose fanboyism over logic. I'll ignore the rest of your pointless little arguements, because I've read some dumb posts from you in the past, but with posts like this you really prove you are are stupid as you look." Oh really? Then how about all the people who swear on their life that UT2K7 is in development for the Xbox360. Epic never said they would or wouldnt put UT2K7 on the Xbox360, so your little comment about them choosing not to is invalid. They wouldnt have any reason not to put UT2K7 on the Xbox360. Because the fact that the PC and Xbox360 share the same development styles, wouldnt requ

ya

Since xbox is easier to program Gear of War is pushing to max using all 3 cores and xbox fanboys u will not see any better graphics than Gears. Just look at all the upcoming games for xbox not even single one looks better than gears, while PS3 just gets better and better.

engineers!

take it from a physicist: engineers don't know ***** about anything.

ugh

i read it too. It felt biased the second i opened the next page. Even though i understood nilche, i still read the comments section and found some of the forum members had speculations as well. So maybe check out some of the comments before posting that again.

Ignorant

Gamers like you make me laugh. You're so ignorant and you can't even see it. Neither the 360 or PS3 have come close to their full potential, so anyone saying GOW is the best it gets on the 360 is just as stupid as anyone thinking MGS4 is as good as it gets on the PS3.

wtf

Devise you ***** go at the xboxupdates if you dont like ps3, im sick of seing you here bashing all those who want to talk about ps3. Bit*ch

A REMINDER....

[This is a post that i already wrote....but i,l post it again because it seems some people need it.] the ps2 never won the previous war with [100MILLION] sold...because it had superior graphics..in reality it only carried [less than 50%] of the xboxone..and was harder to develop for ---------------------------- the ps2 reigned becuase it had exclusive-[ORIGINAL]-games that shattered the limitation of the system....Shadow of the collusus..[a unique,original masterpeice....offered graphics and animation that are technically dazzling]...there is not a single game on both the xboxone and the xbox360 that can compare to it. in terms of originality...or in technical achievement..the game won the game develepors awards...and showecased why the PLAYSTATION is favoured by consumers. --------------------- sony has the support of square-enix....a company..[with FFXII] redifined what the ps2 is capable of...watching the graphical achievement of the game and the animations and comparing them to launch games...you can only laugh the difference is overwhelming.... ------------------------------------ it is because of the brilliant-minds behind developers like square-enix and konami that made the PLAYSTAION what it is....never the graphical capabilties of the system...if the ps2..the weaker console of the previous generation...[could offer us games like FFXII and shadow of the collussus]...what are we to expect from the ps3...powered by the most powerful cpu...and easier to develop GPU by nvidia..The RSX -------------------------------------- when square-enix releases final fantasy XIII...only then....we will see the capabilty of the ps3...the game engine..THE WHITE ENGINE..is desined from the ground up to use the CELL PROCESSORS SPU,s and thus will showcase the full..[proccesing and GPU]power of the system...and will set a benchmark of what can expected from next gen games...square-enix always did that..always pushing the system beyond...what you think...can be accomplished. ------------------------------ until these brilliant games arrive...this speach is meaningles.....EA was never a company to showcase graphical capabilties...and multiplatform games cannot be used to compare...the only posts found here...[are posts of blind jealousy]...And probaly.[SOME MICROSOFT MARKETEERS]..whose main job is spread inaccurate information.. Tha major keyplayers that led to The succes of SONY are still HERE..[SQAURE-ENIX-KONAMI PRODUCTIONS-TEAM ICO-POLYPHONY DIGITAL...ETC]...these work exclusively for the ps3.. enough said....

striking debate, given this isn't even on the xbox360 site

dont' anyone think we've seen the best out of either console... epic have shown some serious ***** with that unreal engine 3.0 and that's why these games are looking insanely good (ut2k7 and gow)... look at the ps1, it has a 33mhz cpu and yet can render things like wip3out and ff9 etc ... show me a pc with 33mhz cpu which can do that! look at ps2, again it has a weakling cpu (300mhz i think) and yet it can make gaems like mgs3 come to life ... again show me a pc with a 300mhz cpu which can render such a game now i'm not being pro ps3 here, as look at xbox1 - it's got the equivalent of a celeron 733 or something in it and it can make halo2 happen!!! (for reference look at the fact that ms won't even put halo2 on dx9 systems - but taht's not cos they can't) consoles don't need as much power, they're specialised. gamespot do a good comparison thing between ps3 and xbox360 visuals - in most cases it's almost the same, although in cod3 the x360 looks better (no contest). wait and see, i reckon epic or rare can make something better on x360, but then squeenix's white engine looks crazy good, and mgs4 won't let us down - guaranteed. if i could afford one i'd buy a x360, and a wii, and a ps3... but i can't.

LOL! I see the Viet idot has returned.

-"Your the idiot" It's YOU'RE (short for YOU ARE), not YOUR. Get a dictionary kid. -"When you finish a game its finished regardless if the console is delayed or not. Do you really think all those studios used that extra 6-8 months to continue working on the game. NO they worked on other projects because its stuipid to waste resources for a port." LOL! How completely STUPID are you. Did you ignore every interview regarding PS3 games between spring and launch? They were ALL working on their games throughout, they didn't stop developement in the spring. LOL! Kids these days! Show me one, just ONE interview or report about any PS3 game being finished in the spring with no developement on the game until launch. -"Care to explain how the game was in development for just as long. As far as I remember it was finished as a launch title when they were going to launch the PS3 in the spring" Again, more stupidity. Read ANY interview since the spring and you will see they were developing this game right up until launch. The drop from 1080p to 720p occurred only a month or so before release, and in EVERY podcast I'd listened to with Ted Price, he mentions they are hard at work on the game. Just the fact that you think developement stopped in the spring says everything we need to know about your incredibly low IQ. -"Lost planet isnt that highly detailed." That's a matter of opinion. Moving on... "And my comparison about armored core 4, with everyone knowing that the game is on both systems, is showing that the PS3 is already up to par on the Xbox360." LOL! OF COURSE IT'S ON PAR, it's been in developement for BOTH consoles since it was first announced. You used it as an example to say the PS3 was ahead of the 360, NOT ON PAR, because you thought it was only on the PS3. You're a typical spineless fanboy, who doesn't even have the guts to admit he was wrong. -"Blue dragon is far of on CGI standards. Also Have you seen the screenshots of Halo3? It looks just identical to Halo2. Why do you think Bungie hired a company to do a pre-rendered video for the commercial? Because at this point the graphics are the same as Halo2, read the EGM magazine." Again, more fanboy nonsense. That commercial is not suppose to represent gameplay. They made it so that it was CLEAR that it wasn't gameplay, since they didn't want to stoop to the levels of Killzone at E3 2005. However, the Halo 3 trailer was realtime, just like MGS4. -"No PGR is not a different type of game, it was designed to be a counter to GT. Forza was designed to be a counter to GT." LOL! Have you ever played this game? PGR is not a racing sim! It's closer to an arcade racer than a racing sim, and hence is no more a counter to GT than Burnout. -"Oh really? Then how about all the people who swear on their life that UT2K7 is in development for the Xbox360." So WHAT? So some idiot gamers claim a game is in developement when it's not and somehow it's to be taken as fact? Are you really THAT stupid? -"Epic never said they would or wouldnt put UT2K7 on the Xbox360, so your little comment about them choosing not to is invalid." EPIC has always denied they are developing UT2007 for the 360, they say it's exclusively for the PS3 and PC. Thats it. -"They wouldnt have any reason not to put UT2K7 on the Xbox360. Because the fact that the PC and Xbox360 share the same development styles, wouldnt requ" Their games are ALL running on their Unreal Engine 3, meaning ANY of their games can go to other formats IF they wanted them too. Hence Gears of War could be brought to the PS3, UT2007 could be brought to the 360. But they are NOT, so stop trying to make up reasons why just to suit your biased views.

I'm adding this page to my favourates.

Vietone, what can I say, you're so dumb it's almost entertaining. Your comment that developement for certain PS3 games stopped in the spring (because they were finished) with no further developement for 6-8 months as devs moved onto other projects, is probably my favourate of all your dumb statements. Keep it up. LOL!

LMAO wat a *****in tard

tell me a ps3 game that is anywhere CLOSE to gears.....kan u even do the textures that 360 can do....on 256 megs of ram LMAO! get a *****in life u *****

all

The fact you can even type a sentence like "sony is losing all exclusives" just makes your point completely invalid. It will have exclusives and plenty of them. Virtua Fighter, Heavenly Sword, Resistance, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, and the list goes on.

Of course...

you can also COMPLETELY disregard the hits it had. GTA...FF..MGS...God of War...Socom...Ratchet and Clank...Tekken...KH...

A-men

That has been my thoughts of EA the whole time. I really truly despise them.

@regime

Does not having a life mean that one takes the time spell his posts properly? Are you saying that you have so many things to do that you can't even voice a proper opinion without it being skewed the by auto filter, much less spell the word "Can" properly? You're like some kind of parasite. Latching on to superior beings and sucking the life out of them with retarded statements.

You've got to be kidding. Surely?

>"When you finish a game its finished regardless if the console is delayed or not. Do you really think all those studios used that extra 6-8 months to continue working on the game. NO they worked on other projects because its stuipid to waste resources for a port." When I read this, I expected to see a smiley, I thought you were trying to be funny in some way. But then you said this about Resistance, "As far as I remember it was finished as a launch title when they were going to launch the PS3 in the spring" WTF? So you're being serious! During Sony's conference at E3 in May, Kaz Hirai said they had just starting shipping out final devkits to developers. This is in the middle of spring, so how could games be finished for the PS3 when developers had only just got their final devkits? Instead of just accepting the fact that the PS3 hasn't blown away the 360 on day one as certain fanboys predicted, you seek to explain it all by saying PS3 launch games were finished in the spring and have had no developement since then. Sorry Vietone, but with that claim you have lost ALL credibility. Not that you had much credibilty to start with (I've seen enough of your posts already), but to make such a claim is beyond belief, and shows you are a Sony fanboy who is clueless about hardware and software. :|

Ignorant?

AGamer2 your the ignorant one. Gears is the farthest the 360 graphics will go. Also, let's be real what other games will sell the 360 besides Halo 3? After Halo comes and goes the 360 is as good as Dead.

Actually...

>"AGamer2 your the ignorant one." I agree with AGamer2 that gamers are ignorant if they think they know more than the developers and without any knowledge of 360 hardware declare Gears of War as the best it will get. It wasn't that long ago when I was reading comments from Sony fanboys insisting that the PS3 will blow away the 360 at launch. Were they right? Of course not, because they were just dumb gamers who think the know everything when in fact they know nothing. :|

just to clarify the ignorance.

the ps3 rsx is based on the 90nm architecture which is envolved in the 7 series chips of nvidia to be more specific, its based on the 7900 gpu. just check the nm and power usage ratings its equivilent to the 7900 series the 7900 used a 90nm while the 7800 is based on a 110nm design. just for the retards, the smaller nm it uses the more power they can put into it buy up-ing the clock speeds without having much change in the thermal output and less watts usage. plz do research before you comment with a fanboy remark

stop using my name

Seriously, that's retarded

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To watch blu-ray. You need a PS3, and a TV that supports the DRM for 1080p. I have seen HD content on a 1080p TV. While higher resolution, it looked irritatingly grainy. I can see the use for sports TV, but Blu-Ray must compete against a cheaper format that looks identical in terms of quality(HD-DVD). An also, I seriously doubt your statement about PS3 owners picking up HD movies. Maybe a few. Tell me, were you watching your movies at 1080p, or were they being upscaled due to DRM?

wtf

I have a PSP and the 3D games look like crap. Like little better than PS1. What are you jabbering about?

small note

Check the bus speeds. Due to the cell's architecture, the RSX matches a 7600GT. (FlexIO is the keyword) Also, the RSX was a prototype of the G71 7800 core, there is a 90nm revision of the 7800.

talk for yourself

What did the xbox had, halo and a bunch of shooters? Thats good for those that like shooters. For me give me a good RPG (FF) and a great action game (god of war). Personall there were very few games that interested me, I liked the GC better than the xbox. And the 360 its going by the same path, look at the next few months and most games are shooters. Again for those that really like shooters, great. For me it doesnt work.

lol

LMAO. You know crap about what you're talking about. 256 MB of ram is crap for having a lot of high resolution textures on screen at once.

Warrior by name, wimp by nature.

>"AGamer2 your the ignorant one. Gears is the farthest the 360 graphics will go." Like I said, ignorant. Here's what Cliff Bleszinski had to say in GamePro about HIS game Gears of War; http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t+38145 "Q: Having worked on Xbox 360, from a technology standpoint, how much more do you think the system can be pushed with future games? Cliff: I think there's plenty of room to push and experiment when it comes to physics and AI and real-time lighting. I think we've only scratched the surface of what we can do with gameplay as well as the 360. There's far more potential down the road to do more stuff. As amazing as I think Gears is, and my gut tells me I still love playing it, I think we have a really incredible experience; I think we'll definitely push it further if we get around to dong a new version in the future." Gee, who shall I listen to, the lead designer of Gears of War or some anonymous kid on an online forum?

And another thing... it's YOU'RE or YOU ARE, not YOUR.

"AGamer2 your the ignorant one." You're the second person to say 'YOUR' to me in this thread (Vietone being the other). So I repeat, it's YOU'RE not YOUR.

Dam QJ for altering my link.

For the link in my post above; http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t+38145 Change the plus character (+) to the equals character. It always changes here for some reason when posting links.

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"how did it play final fight round3 and NBA2k7 graphically better though theyr early on the systems life" well fight night SHOULD look better since they had like 7 months to tweak it, but thats not the case. its been voted the worse looking (and choppier) version of the 2 from multiple comparisons i've read, including gamespot. theres actually an article on 360 QJ right now.

hmmm

sooo does this mean that backups are playable now?

You are talking about mechanical power.

We can increas the amount of electrical work that is done per unit of time but, to define electrical work we have to get into the electrical power.

you guys are idiots

ps3 does have an equivolant of a 7800 gtx oc despite you non believers, 6800 isn't capable of those types of gfx unless you completely change the hardware of it (thus its not even a 6800 and its why they compare it to a 7800) the hdr is real btw hl2s hdr is more real than most hdr engines out there, others just use overly bloom lighting effects to simulate hdr (believe me, compare the two) the system (overall+cpu,gpu "everything") hasn't been maxed out, thats why they are being general and not specific and also the cell processor is what that "128 bit video processing" is it can render in 3d also you guys they showed a demonstration of this at E3

i hate haters

stop lieing to yourself ps3 will be better graphically so just deal with it game companys already have said this and said they want to make use of it

My PS3 HD so far

Well I have so far I have Talledega Nights (which came with the PS3), and Silent Hill on blu-ray. Maybe the TV you saw 1080p on wasn't displaying the best movie or whatever because my TV has been looking great with these movies. I'm into HD myself and usually adjust my TV for just about every movie (like Silent Hill has a lot of nice darks I set my TV for). They were in no way grainy or anything. Honestly those movies are the best quality video I've seen on my HDTV thus far. I'm going to be buying more blu-ray movies for sure, they look amazing on my TV.

Cross platform

The only really good looking cross platform game for PS3 right now I'd say is Ultimate Alliance (runs at 1080p). At this point in time comparing cross platform games is pointless because it seems like the devs for some of these games didn't really use all the power the could out of the PS3 (CoD 3). You can say I'm wrong, but then how do explain games like Ultimate Alliance and Resistance looking so damn good?

sloppy codebase from game houses slowing next generation

by said: "its an 11 page un-biased comparison of the ps3 and 360 hardware. though i think 360 owners will enjoy the read a little more... http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1 " hehe, theres nothing UN-Biased about that, its obvious they are X86 fanboys. the one thing you can take from that text is that its clear the games companys are suffering due to sloppy code bases and relying on the X86 ability over the years to take their sloppy code and add-in hacks and work-arounds to increase the sloppy code. the facts speak for themselves, if the games writers had taken the time over the last few years to personally port their codebase to the PPC CPU for use on the MAC instead of francising it out to 3rd partys PPC coders then they wouldnt be in this mess they find themselves now as they would have been able to write their own wrappers to accomodate their bad coding practices and over time learn how to code the compleate codebase for better cross compatability. its ironic that the very same 3rd partys mac/PPC games porters are infact in the best possition to help out these sloppy x86 coders by teaching them how its done...... notice how if you read and UNDERSTAND even half of the points they make then its clear the problem IS NOT WITH THE PS3 or the 360 come to that....; its the arrogant top tear x86 coders and their sloppy codbase thats stopping the new PPC based platforms code progessing faster,not the PPC hardware... out-of-order is better than in-order, BUT ONLY ON THE X86 CPUs. the altivec has outclassed the mmx clock for clock for a very long time, the advantage was thye x86 fater cpus over time , but that advantage was core speed over better maths and wider paths, you understand that part of it at least i assume?. so were are we really, if the artical is to be beleaved then all the PPC based platforms are suffering right now because the coders a ignorant of the best ways to code when you remove the years of tweaking the CPU manufacturers have had to do to conpensate for their slacking codeing. imagine if they are forced to learn it and do it the right way for PPC based machines, then its reasonable that that MIGHT finally get back ported and end up improving the x86 cpus of the time so evryone might end up winning....... so perhaps this education of PPC coding might be a VERY GOOD THING..... we shall see. http://www.daniel.jp/joomla/info/ps3/installing-gentoo-on-the-ps3.html

Nonsense

-"its clear the games companys are suffering due to sloppy code bases and relying on the X86 ability over the years" NONE of these games are CPU limited pip, and a minority of these developers were PC ONLY developers limited to x86 code only! It's not the Cell processor or Xenon CPU that's at issue here, so it's not lack of knowledge of PPC that is causing the problems seen. The main issue for the games we've seen so far are the GPUs, memory and bandwidth on each console. As the gen progresses, more and more will be made of the CPUs, especially for physics, but right now, it's not the issue you claim it is.

update firmware

has anybody actually updated there firmware with a usb device i have tried with a sony usb memory drive and an sd and a westell usb external hard drive and yes i have made the folders PS3> UPDATE>PS3UPDAT.PUP and it still says it no applicable data is found but when i dl the update straight from the website using the ps3 browser it says it is found and if i want to overwrite it? what kind of crap is that now i did try this on 2 ps3's and neither worked someone help

ugh Spector

GTA IV Assassin's Creed These ring a bell Spector? Plus a few smaller titles. It not going to be a walk in the park for Sony Spector. That was all i was saying. But you had to be an ass about it. "Playstation 3 Bleeding Exclusives" http://www.gizmocafe.com/blogs/gizmo_cafe_blog/archive/2006/12/05/99389.aspx

@DBLAZE

you don't know what you are talking about. Please refrain from speaking. (thank you!)

good read but..

that guy is biased toward the 360.

your full of it comedy

Can the Engineer bashing you sad little physicist. Theres a reason we design the world.

hahaha

Blueray still has a horable encode on every movie i have seen. And even with the 50GB disks, the quality doesnt match the HD-DVD counterparts. No Mpeg2 encode is going to look as good as HD-DVD, even with more space.

Get a HD-DVD player Spector

You are serously arguing that Blue-Ray has the same quality as Hd-DVD? Check any respectable videophile forum and you will get a rude awakening. So far 90% of blueray movies are encoded very pourly. Im you thought Talledega nights looked good on blueray, then you will be blown away by hd-dvd. Every hd-dvd encode i have looks much better than the blueray counterpart. And 99% of Videophiles will agree with me. HD-DVD is also out selling Blueray @ 6to1. Also the MS HD-DVD drive will work on any media center PC. There as been more Hd-DVD drive addons sold than PS3 consoles. MY HD-TV movies form my cable company look better than blueray. Arguing that a Mpeg2 encoded blueray is better quality than a VC-1 (True HD codec) HD-DVD show where your loyalties are.

I wouldnt even reply to vietone

Only the PS3 fanboys take this reatard seriously. Dont waste your time with him. Hes a sony sheep.

Fight night and NBA2K7

Every review i have seen said fight night plays and looks worse on the PS3. This game was supposed to be the 360 killer, with 8 months more development time, exclusive to PS3. And its worse. Says something right there doesnt it. NBA2K7 was also reviewed as better graphically and gameplay wise on the 360.

It's not that bad

Ok first off the blu-ray movies I have do not suffer from the problems I've heard everyone complaining about quality wise. I don't know if it's my TV, my settings, my PS3, or what but it isn't bad (yes I've watched HD-DVD movies as well) as people are saying. You say HD-DVD addons have outsold PS3s, well duh there haven't been enough PS3s in the country yet. Those numbers will be vastly different in a year. Also I'm not getting an HD-DVD player unless blu-ray fails because the blu-ray player is just a sweet thing that comes with the PS3 that I'll enjoy. Also I like how you mentioned the super expensive 360 set-up to interact with your PC media center. (System) $400.00 + (HD-DVD) $200.00 + (Wireless) $100.00 + $700.00 and people still say PS3 costs too much.

zomg 2 games

2 games will not make or brake a console honestly. Especially when you have games like Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy still on your side. So Sony lost 2 big name games and 2 that look mediocre. Should buckets of tears be falling from my eyes? Sony still has the majority of it's exclusives and people are blowing these few games way out of proportion to say omg Sony loses. It's not like that adds to 360. It's just even ground or a tie since both systems have those 2 games now. PS3 still has more amazing exclusives in multiple genres than 360. So your point remains invalid. Just have fun touting all your shooting games (that's all you'll ever have exclusives in) around... for the rest of 360s life span.

Agreed Lurker

That said, given this and a few other topics here, I have a suspicion AGamer2 isn't all he seems to be :). If my suspicion is correct, he's actually playing with Vietone, and clearly winning. :D

this guy

this guy was playing a ps3 demo, and the frame rates were so bad, i had to close my eyes so i wouldnt get motion sickness. I am not even kidding.

sounds like a lie

the only demos on PS3 kiosks are Motorstorm and NBA 07. Both of which do not suffer from the problem you are claiming. You are a liar, plain and simple stop making up stuff to flame the PS3 with.

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and don't forget Tekken Spector...

uhh

Have you played Portable Ops... cause that blows PS1 game out of the water. You must buy the crappiest of crap for your PSP.

also

yea I forgot Tekken and also Ratchet and Clank and Jak.

stop spewing crap

Will you ever learn to quit Devise and go read your own damn news feeds. All you've been doing on these PS3 news feed is spreading your lies and slander. First off atleast the PS3 launch has a game that will keep going for a long time (Resistance). Does anyone even play any of the 360s launch titles... nope. If you look at the overall scores (the average) for launches you'll also see the Wii, PS3, and 360 all come out close together. In a year or less Sony will be spanking the 360 in multiple genres. You may have some really nice shooters but that is all you ever will have. You won't have good action/adventure games, RPGs, Platformers, or anything else. Just your shooters.

hmpf

You'll find an unbiased write up on the internet the day you find a unicorn and a dragon in the same place in real life.

WTF

Yeah right.. Where were you for the Xbox360 launch ?! Games visuals were barely better than original Xbox.. Look at this : http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4388/xbox360vsxboxlaunch01vm5.jpg and that : http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2177/xbox360vsxboxlaunch02zl8.jpg Ps3 launch titles wich are offered for both systems can match quite right visualy with the Xbox360. Knowing that the Xbox360, working under Directx, wich is well know.. and running since more than 1 year.. Make me fell that Sony will rock Xbox360 out of the ring in term of visuals. In term of ''gaming fun factor'', Looks like Sony already won my vote. The only real RPG console so far, and will certandly offer more Shooters.. Do I really care about shooters ?.. That kind of games are alot better when played on a pc. thust far.. ;)

oh snap

It's the gammar police trolling online posts where people if they don't use good grammar must be stupid. Really get a life you over achieving pseudo-intellectual.

Oh please Comodor.

I notice how you're very selective on the pictures you provide, ignoring games like Call of Duty 2. Please show me how the next versions of EA games for both the 360 and PS3 look much better than those at the 360 launch. Have a look on Gamespot's features for the 360 vs PS3 comparison, and the comparison here on 1up; http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId+3155393 (if there's a '+' in the link above, change it to the equals character). And stop acting like the PS3 is alien technology. Much of it is VERY familiar to PC devs thanks to NVidia's GPU and the use of OpenGL for the graphics.

stop lying

God i hate all these ps3 fanboys.. well we all know that ps2 did get ass beated by Xbox.. same fate waits ps3. Nintendo 64 vs ps1. = 64 wins Xbox vs Ps2. = Xbox wins Xbox 360 vs ps3 = 360 wins BUY AN XBOX FOR GOD SAKE... it will take 1 year before the first real good ps3 game is comin No hand Vibrator on ps3 controles Ps3 can only use 6/8 cores ps3 cost ass.. like 500 euro/doll Xbox360 have better textures than ps3 wich give the result ''games who looks better'' While 360 have been out allmost 1,5 years before ps3 it will have a bit better graphic, SO IN THE GOD NAME DONT BUY A GAY PS3

hm

I agree.. Xbox360's games will look much better than ps3's. alot more muscles in 360

love

I will enyoj my 360 while ps3 fans cryin :D!

so right

hehe Me2. i cant belive why they're still waiting on that *****ty ps3 machine.. Yamamoto: ''While 360 have been out allmost 1,5 years before[!!! -> ''.''

omg

thanks guys, I have read this last page and have make a decide.. i will buy a 360 tomorrow :D!

hehe

you do that. just think how good halo 3 should be and games after that whos graphic is 40 % better when it goes on all 360 muscles

these fat guys

well fat gamer nerds... just realize that xbox will pown ps3

Fanboys

Is it me or do you find it funny that MS fanboys are commenting here? If your such a big 360 fan why are you looking at an article on PS3? I think it has to do with you got a 360, mommy and daddy won't drop the 600 dollars only a year later for a PS3 for you, and now you have to convince yourselves that the 360 is better and the PS3 is a failure. I have a 360 and a PS3. I am not a fanboy of any console, I love gameing period. I do see more potential in the PS3, not right now but in the near future. I have yet to play a 360 game that has impressed me like Motostorm, well except GoW but that took 2nd gen to get. Let's see what PS3 has to offer by 2nd gen and I think that will silence all the 360 fanboys.