Firstly, having no HDD in some xbox's does make them inconsistent. Because devs cant make a game with the knowledge that everyone has one. Secondly, you make it sound like Sony is ramming Blu Ray down our throats when it is winning because of consumer choice. And finally I know two people with Xbox 360's and about 3 with PS3's. Both xbox people are on their second.

there is no way that the EU will find Sony guilty of anything. I think people forget that SONY was not the lone designer of Blue Ray, it was a group of companies that joined efforts to developed Blue Ray. The rumor is that EU wants to catch Toshiba, Universal, and Microsoft's deal regarding HD DVD releases.

Well they quite litterally forcing anyone who wants a ps3 to fork out the extra doe it costs than if it would have been dvd. I do doubt that the majority of ps3 owners actually wanted a bluray player but its profitable for sony to do so

lol xbox 360s break down after a year or so more like a month or so

yea, but hes right! when you exclude the ps3-sales, than hd-dvd is selling better! thats just a fact, sony-fanboy!

if you dont know, what you are talking about, than just let it....!

They each have good points, Its just that Blu Ray is overall more superior in quality.But Microsoft made the smart move by including a DVD on one side and HD-DVD on the other for some movies.This is there only hope for success as it will make the "move" to HD easier for people.But the HD-DVD single movies will not stand a chance. The main problem is that if you own a Xbox 360, you need a $150 -$200 add on to even watch them. PS3 on the other hand, has Blu Ray built in(VERY SMART MOVE).It is now actually cheaper to go with Blu Ray..



X360(HD-DVD) Premium X360($399)+HD Add on($150)

Xbox 360 with HD-DVD = $549

PS3(Blu- Ray) 60GB PS3($499)

PS3 with Blu- Ray = $499

I hate to say it, but PS3 has the upper hand....=(

for someone from Microsoft to talk about Dirty tactics.....unbelievable



this is coming from the Company that has ruined the OS [operation systems] market with disgusting monopoly.....people never had the choice to install their own OS....MS forces OEM makers to have the windows OS pre-installed on every computer and threatens to take their license from anyone who refuse



thanks for DELL,s brave move....people finaly have a choice in a different and a superior OS....screw microsoft and its 400$ garbage [Vista]



dont wait....stop the Monopoply and install one of the most popular and easy to use Linux disrtos on your PC:



http://www.ubuntu.com/



get Ubuntu linux and kiss goodbye for freezes,spyware ,crashes,and save your wollet from having to spend for microsoft trash



use Wine...a project that allows you to run some applications that were designed for windows on linux,you can learn more on this spectacular project at:



http://www.winehq.org/



once wine is more refined......MS and windows are finished,MS can threaten to sue linux users but let see if it dares to do so,Europeans wont stand still for this garbage



dont wait....go and start knowing what MS "NEVER" wants you to know.....know about LInux Ubuntu and Wine



dont wait....go to the sites mentiones,and FREE yourself from MS for all eternity



Do it..

The funny thing is, either you complain and say "forcing to buy" - which is still good, obviously you have an interesst in the PS3 - or you buy a competing product. Well, you can go 360, or Wii or PS2. If you can't afford a PS3, just wait but don't complain. I remember the same discussion with the PS2 when it came out. Back then there was no way I could afford one. Well, they "forced" DVD upon their game customers which nobody wanted (The PS1 used CDs, the Dreamcase their proprietary GD-ROM (now I would call that "forcing")). Today, nobody would complain about DVD anymore, the same will happen with BluRay in 2-3 years.



Also the main reason why stand alone DVD is outselling BluRay players is, there are almost no BluRay players available. Excluding the PS3 is even stupid, because, even buying a PS3 to watch BluRay only is a valid point. Beeing the PS3 the cheapest and best BluRay Player out there (guess which blu ray player will get an update by end of the year to support extended functionality). Most of 3rd party Blu Ray players will hit the market this holiday season, hopefully with a pre-$400 price range. I think after that time, we can continue discussing that subject again.



Saying Sony's interest in Blu Ray is their "greed" is uhm, "creative", too. At least they use open codecs unlike a OS vendor who tries to force everyone to support their proprietary decoders - and not only on HD DVD, but with Windows and because of their monopoly for every other OS vendor, too. (Ever tried to support wmv in anything not windows ?)

Look at E3. How many times did M$ mention the ps3 and wii in their presentation. Now how many times did nintendo and Sony mention M$.

now for your bullet points-

#1- all console not having a harddrive is the reason the ps2 harddrive was not used to make games load faster, nor did it recieve the full support it should have. The same hold for the 360.

#2- of course, they have windows. They have mastered the trojan horse. How can you hate sony when M$ does this same thing with Internet Explorer and Windows media player. When I rip cd's Windows media player converts then to wma when mp3 would be much more convenient. I wonder why?

#3- unless something drastic happens HD-dvd is dead, it may still be sold but this will probably be the last holiday season they are available. As a matter of fact almost none of the xbots that defend hd-dvd even use it. Look at the number of add-ons sold, pathetic.

#4- it may not sell 100 million, but they will last at least 7 years, unlike the 360 the ps3 does not use the same storage medium as last gen. Most games out now can fit on dvd9, but in 3 years when computers are getting blu-ray drives the 360 will be the only gaming machine without games on blu-ray. #5 Bull***** doesn't work, no matter how much you want mgs4, you can't and won't have it. The hardware won't be obsolete the same time as your 360, because it's better. " If it doesn't work it gets fixed." Good thing the system hasn't been out 2 years and It has a 33% breakdown rate, not good. You know why M$ gives you guys 3 year warranties now, because they didn't want to do a recall. That would have been funny, another problem with the doing a recall is the fact that they have not fixed the problem. Like it or not the 360 is flawed a 33% failure rate proves that.

M$ PWNS U!

Movie enthusiasts (the ones that buy a lot of disks) in general will not buy a console to watch movies on, as it is an inconvenient and usually noisy, lower quality experience. The winner of this format war will not be decided by PS3 or Xbox, but by whatever the real enthusiast chooses to support, in stand-alone form. I think Sony's efforts to push BR have severely compromised their focus on gaming (isn't that what these consoles are made for???), whereas MS, who has less financial interests in any HD movie format, has done the right thing by not making a big deal about it. Sony fanboy will draw parallels between what PS2 has supposedly done for DVD and what PS3 will do for BR, forgetting that in 2000 (when PS2 was released) DVD was already an established format for nearly 5 years without any competing formats. I had a DVD player YEARS before I had a PS2, and Sony shouldn't flatter themselves with the claim that PS2 made DVD a success. The film enthusiasts market has no patience for competing formats, and will not commit to buying a lolt of movies at this time, and Sony's decision not to support the DVD forum in HD-DVD may well have doomed both formats (remember it was Sony who has forced a format war on us because they HAD to have complete control over the HD format).



As for the 'Trojan Horse' that is Windows; there have ALWAYS been alternative OS' to install on your PC, but despite all its flaws, windows emerged as the most universal and compatible one, putting it in the position it is in now. This monopoly position was not achieved only by sleezy bussiness tactics and OEM abuse. You can still walk into any PC shop I know and order a PC without OS on it (built to order, as PC's were sold for years before the big OEM's started their 'budget PC' wars), so you can install whatever OS you want.



These comments by Dille are extremely childish and are a sign Sony has lost the ball in the gaming arena, clutching at straws to regain footing in a market they ruled for a decade but lost for no other reason but themselves. Sony should stop whining about the competition, should stop trying to explain why everybody needs BlueRay, should stop talking about 10 year plans, and should start doing what they did for the last 2 generations; deliver the best gaming experience possible, and they should start doing that NOW, otherwise there will not be a PS4.

That is the most intelligent thing I have ever read.



Please come back often! There's far too many idiots here.

So those second 360s they got didn't work either? None of them work?



I'm just believing Peter Dille's lies like a brainwashed idiot.