Contrary to what Square Enix would have us believe: FFXIII PS3 IS compromised

Posted Sep 4, 2009 at 5:25PM by Mabie A. Listed in: PS3, Xbox 360 Tags: Square Enix, Yoshinori Kitase

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Yesterday, we covered an interview with Final Fantasy XIII (Xbox 360, PlayStation 3) producer, Yoshinori Kitase, which had him reassuring fans that FFXIII going multiplatform did not compromise design at all. Today, we have here Kitase talking to GameTrailers, and admitting that the PS3 version has been indeed compromised to "keep both versions of the game identical."

Specifically, the PS3 version will not have the Japanese voices with English subtitles because, well, it can't fit on the Xbox 360 and since they want to be "fair" to both platforms, then they won't put it on the PS3 as well - regardless if it can afford to have the Japanese audio track or not. Which it totally can.

Not only that, but the pacing of the PS3 version will also be affected because of the Xbox 360 version. Analyzed PS3 Center:

When Final Fantasy moved to PlayStation 2, it only ever appeared on 1 DVD. This meant that unlike previous iterations on the original PlayStation, every area within the game could technically be open at any time. In previous games, some areas appeared on some discs, and were closed off in others. The same can even be said for games such as Lost Odyssey on the Xbox 360, due to the space constraints of the DVD, the majority of side-quests appeared on the final disc. Final Fantasy XIII will be affected in the same way.

This is not a huge problem if an RPG is 360 exclusive or developed for Xbox 360 first, but if it is meant to be developed on the PS3 first and take advantage of ALL it's features, then it is a problem.

If the game was on a single Blu-Ray disc, it would allow the player to explore many areas, and many side-quests at any time throughout the game. However, due to the DVD limitations of the Xbox 360, the game will be cut up, and many areas you visit at the beginning of the game will most likely not be available towards the end of the game. This may be one of the main reasons that many PS3 fans are looking forward to Final Fantasy Vs XIII more than Final Fantasy XIII, because Versus represents an upgrade in scale whereas Final Fantasy XIII is actually a downgrade from earlier Final Fantasy games in that sense.

Sounds to me like that's quite a compromise right there, Mr. Kitase.

Via PS3 Center

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Comments

# contrary to literacy — Orlyeh 2009-09-04 14:03

seriously? are you comparing graphical design and engine performance - the topic of the previous interview - with a change in gameplay events due to storage limitations?

sure I can compare apples to oranges too

# wow this is bad — eromack718 2009-09-04 14:09

im very sad to hear that ff13 can't oops won't take full advantage of the ps3 just to make microsoft happy but it doesnt matter to them that we the ps3 owners that invested 600 dollars at launch have to play 360 low quality dvd versions of the game knowing that we invested money to play top quality games on ps3 bluray format

# Greaat... — pawn535 2009-09-04 14:16

Well FFS I was looking forward to playing with Japanese audio and english subs. The english voices better be damn good.

# >> — pure 2009-09-04 14:29

This really makes me sad. I don't like how Mr.Kitase lied to the fans that have been waiting to cop this title for the PS3. I find it unfair that Square-Enix decided to make Star Ocean: The Last Hope - a series I love dearly since playing Second Story on the Playstation 1 - exclusive to the 360. If you must butcher the PS3 version, Mr.Kitase, then be honest about it. And god forbid, if the PS3 version is inferior to the 360. No flames please. I play both consoles avidly but I was most certainly looking forward to the 'extras'.

# Well... — papajag 2009-09-04 14:39

Many of us are more of a fan of Versus XIII anyways. Damn this is going to piss off many people. I knew all that Squeenix talk was BS. I hate the main characters in this game anyways. Why couldn't they make the black guy cool? Did I mention he uses guns. I smells something there.

Lost Odyssey only had like 5 different areas to explore then it goes to the next disc. The final disc barely had any real sidequest. Then you realize that they only make the game seem longer by making enemies have more HP so the fight would last longer.

# ... — saldude2 2009-09-04 14:49

Well atleast they're not downscaling graphics cuz the 360 has no problem to handle the graphics of ps3. the only problem it has is the storage in a disk.

# well — poroporo 2009-09-04 14:51

I need my japanese audio, there's no way I'm playing this in english.

***** you SE, I'm importing it.

# . — NarooN 2009-09-04 15:01

Well, final nail in the box for me. Wasn't ever looking forward to this to begin with, thought it looked stupid before it ever got announced on 360.

I'd wait for Vs. XIII, even *if* the main character looks like an emo kid.

# bull.... — deadlyangel91792 2009-09-04 15:07

i cannot stress just how pissed off this made me there gonna hold back the ps3 for the 360......i cant say i didnt see it coming though all i can say is...."soo when did you guys say versus 13 is coming???"

# :-( — alexnj2405 2009-09-04 15:14

only FF Vs XIII for me it is then

# ...Nice. — Teivin 2009-09-04 15:25

The 'Analyzed by PS3 center' BS is pretty retarded.

All in all, I'm sure FFXIII will require an install on /both/ platforms. Definitely the PS3, since it requires an install on pretty much every game that isn't just some PS2 graphical upgrade port.

The only thing brought to the table by adding in that extra bit of speculation was a large dose of fanboyism. Keep to the journalism and leave the fanboyism to the comments and such, please.

As for the lack of dual audio... ya, that does suck. On the plus side, I can just use a flashed 360 to load an undub and play it with japanese voices. Gahaha.

# FUUUUUUUUUUUU *rant* — thefinalhero 2009-09-04 15:39

I bought my PS3 for the Final Fantasy series and RPGs in general. That's not to say there aren't tons of other great games I play on my PS3 (I constantly log into MGO, have Infamous, Killzone, Resistance, etc) but RPGs are what I WANT and I'm sure that a lot of the other PS3 owners out there want RPGs as well. Though there are lots of good RPGs (I enjoy Folklore) I'm sick of getting shafted with RPGs this generation, seriously, even if they weren't good I would have loved to see the Last Remnant (as was promised...screw you Squenix) and some others this generation. I'm tired of getting screwed over and over again. Sure, I'll be picking up Demons' Soul, White Knight Chronicles, GT5, Uncharted 2 and the other great games coming to PS3, but I've waited FAR too long for this game to come and so far have had Square Enix do nothing but screw me over as a PS3 owner. Wake up Square...most of you fanbase owns PS3s or Wii's, not the 360. I would hate you so much if only Dissidia wasn't so fun...

# ... — Creature 2009-09-04 15:43

I remember correctly the ps1 era FF games were split into multiple disks due to the FMV's not fitting on one disk. All the games actual 3d data, sound, etc were copied to each disk along with the appropriate FMV's needed for that part of the game. If this stays true for this game, there's no need to worry about not being able to return to previous areas or not being able to explore. Very often it would not be a good idea of exploring in an FF as they contain linear game play and you would very likely get your ass handed to you if you ventured out. Also, some people need to stop their *****ing about the English voices. If it bothers you so much mute the T.V. or better yet, don't buy the game. No one is forcing you to play it and no one cares if you decide not to.

# ... — TouchDaSkeleton 2009-09-04 15:54

and next week they'll say the ps3 version is better why even interveiw these ff people?

# --- — TheJoker 2009-09-04 16:06

well, looks like im not getting this game.

# That's completely unfair.. — xInSoMnIaTiCx 2009-09-04 16:07

The Final Fantasy series has always been strong on the Playstation console since it went into the more 3D span of it's games. You can flame me as you please 360 owners but fact is fact, it's unfair they hold the PS3 version back just because they decided to make XIII more open with the multiplatformin g. Yes, they are trying to make it fair for both systems and honestly they're doing a good job on that by removing the extras but.. if it "can" do it why not let it? It was supposed to be only on the PS3 in the first place anyway. Like everyone else said, this is more of a reason for people waiting on Versus XIII to come out. It'll be the true Final Fantasy continuation though XIII will be a good game too that I'm certain of (I'm planning on getting both no matter what). I do only own a PS3 so my opinion is biased but I used to a own a 360.. till y'know. The common issue happened of course so flame as you will but I know where Square Enix and Playstation stand.

# pfft — bradz7 2009-09-04 16:46

i was really looking forward to this game. but stuff it. i'm not buying a game thats been screwed over for the 360!! luckily enough i own a 360. and its modded. so yeah i guess i'll still play the game anyway. just wont be paying for it! F.U. SE!!!!

# Used or bargain bin for me — RavenSPe 2009-09-04 17:13

no way am I paying full price with no Japanese audio. Then again, depending on what's out at the time I may just skip this game altogether.

# Drive the point through their heads — Annony 2009-09-04 18:14

The only way to get the message through to S-E is to honestly support their products. Think about it, if PS3 gamers boycott SE, SE will view the system as 'unprofitable' and stop development completely. However, massive sales of a PS3-exclusive title (FFXIII Versus) might wake them up enough to keep keep PS3 dev seperate from Xbox.

But I think we have M$ to blame for the most part. They waved a bag of cash in front of SE to keep the Xbox from getting the 'gimped' version of FFXIII, rather than having the full PS3 version being crunched down to fit on their DVDs.

Leave it to Microsoft to pay to keep technology in the dark ages, unless they can directly rip off a better technology (cough, iPod vs Zune, cough)

# lol — DXcellence 2009-09-04 18:23

So basically Microsoft violated the ps3 version lol. This is coming from a person who favors the 360. In all honesty FFXIII is not worth my money. Its the same turn based *****(which is staring to get boring) I like real time ***** like KH2 or at least gameplay like Star Ocean 4.

When i get the ps3(not that ugly ass slim version) i''ll be looking forward to REAL games like Final Fantasy Versus XIII. There's a reason why that baby is ps3 exclusive, looks like sony knows what i want :)

# Poor Japanese — usjbroly 2009-09-04 22:16

I think the japanese have it harder than us. Their version will be cut down because of a console from another land which has nothing to do with them.

I've always preferred vs XIII anyway...

# .. — unggoy 2009-09-04 22:22

what if microsoft interferes again and SE makes it multi-platform AGAIN?..

# screw microsoft — JorgeVdB 2009-09-04 22:42

Wtf... Because of Microsoft we, PS3 owners, are gonna have the game "cut" to fit the xbox?... omg, just make it a PS3 exclusive, ps3 has the blu-ray disc, therefore, the potential for top quality games, xbox doesn't, SO, PS3 is a next gen console, xbox360 is not. PS3 is far technically superior to xbox360. Maybe xbox360 should compete with PS2.

# ... — Musev 2009-09-05 00:55

What a stupid *****ing comment.

Who is us? do you realise the internet is worldwide.

"Their version will be cut down because of a console from another land which has nothing to do with them."

That'll applies to the whole world barring america.

# .... — Silver-Tiger 2009-09-05 01:30

Screw Square-Enix. They made good games in the past, but their time is over. All they do now is capitalize the brand " Final Fantasy" because they know every FF fan will buy the games, because the name is on it. Look on the TGS game lienup. Nearly all games have Final Fantasy on it. I mean, WTH, Crystal Defenders? That's just typical Tower Defense, just with FF chars. how cheap is that?

SE haven't made a good game for YEARS. The Last Remnant was mediocre at best, Crisis Core was okay, but not really good and Star Ocean wasn't even developed by them. They totally lost their main audience. The problem is, some of you haven't realized how bad the situation actually is. SE hasn't released a SINGLE game on PS3. (besides Crystal Defenders, which is just some crappy TD). I seriosly fear they might be bought MS soon. That wouldn't make much difference, since nearly all games are exclusive to MS and Ninty anyway.

The times that Square-Enix make full use of the hardware are over. This is just another proof. The big names of RPG development are now Tri-Ace and Level 5.

# keyword 'think' — usjbroly 2009-09-05 01:59

my comment was all opinionated. by all means believe otherwise. I would be annoyed if I lost features because of a console version which won't be sold in my country.

# Funny — Teivin 2009-09-05 02:13

Tri-ace published under S-E and hasnt really released anything great lately. Nor has level 5 done anything to push any envelopes.

Your rabid fanboyism aside, no one in the RPG circles has really been pushed any boundaries /but/ S-E. Sure, they werent great, but S-E tried quite a few different approaches when they made things like Lost Odyssey, Last Remnant sylpheed and the like.

What has Tri-ace done? Star Ocean? Oh lawd.

What has level 5 done? WKC? Oh lawd, Dark Cloud all over again. Even recyled the clown and his circus from the second one!

Anywho, people need to stop whining. The whole impression that the game is going to be broken up or anything of the sort is purely speculation from an extremely biased fansite. A biased fansite that cant even tell the difference between doctored bullshots and real screencaps.

PS3 center isn't what I'd call a credible news source. It's one big opinionated blob of text written by people who probably dont even know how to turn a Wii or 360 on because they've never seen one.

# Once again — Navani 2009-09-05 02:24

You can see the negatives of multi-platform .. Not buying this anymore .. Maybe I'll pirate it, but I bought a PS3 to use the FULL potential of the games.. Metal Gear Solid 4, for example.. I hope this new MGS works out fine

# PS3 owners get screwed to cater to 360 owners — kupomogli 2009-09-05 02:58

I no longer own a 360 because I was tired of disc drive errors and RRoD. Kept my 60GB PS3 because it's actually a reliable system.

Because the 360 is limited by DVDs, PS3 owners get screwed into having a downgraded version of FF13 just so 360 fans don't ***** because having a *****tier service.

What I think is that Square-Enix shouldn't limit the game. I think instead of limiting the game for PS3 users, and 360 users, Square-Enix should do a disc check when going back to the older dungeons. In the PS3 no disc check would be required. If going to an older dungeon on the 360, it could have "insert disc 2." It'll allow to go back to previous areas.

Each version will be the same but the PS3 won't need to switch discs back and forth because it's not running on an archaic format.

# doubt it... — danielakadanny 2009-09-05 03:12

cause I am pretty sure that SE is already done with dev. half of versus XIII so the it would be a major setback and make people wait more and then they will lose more money dev. for the 360 since they would be so far behind...and god choice..fk the ugly a$$ slim..60gb FTW

# hmmm.... — danielakadanny 2009-09-05 03:16

if its such a biased fan site, why do you read here?

# whoops.. — danielakadanny 2009-09-05 03:18

*good*

# Ugh — phiyuku 2009-09-05 04:04

I know they took off parts in Last Remnant on Xbox 360 but in the PC version they put most of the back due to you having to install it on Hard Drive. The rest of them were not put back due to an actual story making it impossible to go back to. Why couldn't they do it like that.

# hm... — astaroth001 2009-09-05 06:20

So MS is basically controlling multiplatforms now eh?

# huh? — Freya 2009-09-05 07:19

So basically SE made XIII multiplatform to get more money right? Then why aren't they doing that for Versus XIII.

DIdn't like the 360 idea and etc? Then should have just stuck with the PS3 for XIII.

# asd — JorgeVdB 2009-09-05 07:26

Maybe it's just a matter of time till they do the same with Versus XIII

# ... — Shatterdome 2009-09-05 07:57

They are just being very literal is all.

The main guy at Sq

# oops — Shatterdome 2009-09-05 08:03

PC submitted that abit early...

Was saying, the main guy at square said there would be NO compromises.

So even technical compromises aside, they are just showing that there are even production and game play compromises as well.

I thought Japanese audio was a given, like at least put it in there because you screwed Sony over.

I despise english voice acting, especially when you can have Japanese. Japanese voice acting is taken much more seriously. Also I think it is also due to the fact the Japanese can tell good Japanese voice acting, but don't really know what good English voice acting sounds like.....so it's always horrible.

# Oh come on! — Snaku 2009-09-05 08:06

You know what he meant. Ever since it was announced that ffxiii would be going multiplatform, Squeenix has been doing their best to say that the 360 version will be as good as the ps3 version and that the ps3 version won't be gimped. He just admitted that it would, in fact, be gimped. Whether it's graphically or any other way, it amounts to the same thing.

I'm still not particularly inclined to believe their claims that the graphics AREN'T being gimped. I mean, when you compare multiplatform games to exclusive games, you can almost always see a difference in graphics and performance. No matter how they spin it, PS3 owners won't be getting the same game that we would have it FFXIII had stayed exclusive.

I guess I'm not too worried about it, though. Didn't like FFXII all that much, so maybe I'll just skip this one and wait and see if XV is any better.

# No graphical changes ? — Shatterdome 2009-09-05 08:09

You might want to look at this....

http://www.uffsite.net/news/232/ff13-graphics-changes-in-action.html

There are definite changes, can't say forsure because it was 360.....but that 2nd screenshot sure looks like the crappy square games that have been released on 360 so far....

# hmmm — Shatterdome 2009-09-05 08:17

You sound like a super elite haxzor!

I wonder though, how you will load an "undub" when the only japanese vesion, with japanese audio, will be on PS3, in Japan, on a blu-ray ?

Maybe you have elite Japanese friends that will act out the game while you record them, then inject that into the game ?

crazy....

# damn people.... — Shatterdome 2009-09-05 08:21

This is not just at you Teivin, but about 3 other people in this thread...

LOST ODYSSEY....WAS NOT made by Square. It is a Mistwalker game (guys from the original square team). That is why the game is half-decent.

Every RPG square has put out for the 360 has been mediocre or worse in every aspect of the game....

# .... — Shatterdome 2009-09-05 08:25

Because the PC is not a competitor to 360, if anything PC sales help Microsoft, because you need to use vista (or at least XP) to play the games.

Microsoft does not want PS3 to have any tangible difference. This is a huge game in their mind and they are afraid if PS3 has the advantage, people will buy PS3's just for this game.

# ... — Shatterdome 2009-09-05 08:27

White Knight story drops in NA around the same time as FF....I may just pick that up instead.

# well... — Shatterdome 2009-09-05 08:49

If it wasn't for the U.S taking their big steam ships and forcing Japan to open it's borders again, they may still be walled off. Then PS3 may have never been invented or at least they would be keeping it to themselves

Just saying...

# .............. — SolBoricua 2009-09-05 08:59

im sure im not buying this crap! we had beferore cuality material and most important exlusive and now because they want 2 make a few bucks with another company all the cuality whent out the window! it sucks when money makes you loose perspective of whats important. Thats what destine 4 us if we keep going like this a half ass world!!!

# Greedy — Slant6ix 2009-09-05 09:10

That is what they get for being greedy bastards. They should have just sicked to the PS3, polish it up. But NOOOOO. They gotta expand....I really wonder how many copies the 360 version will sell.

# sigh — DarkXCloud 2009-09-05 09:42

Stupid

# 360 vs ps2? — Freya 2009-09-05 11:47

roflmao. PS2>xbox and 360 combined. It's not even funny.

Based on sales of course.

# ..... — Silver-Tiger 2009-09-05 11:50

@ Telvin:

Seems like you are only one with that opinion. Let's look at the Good RPGs this generation:

Firstly, Lost Odyssey was a great game, but again, like Shatterdome said, it's not a Square-Enix game.

Valkyria Chronicles, super strategy RPG, developed by Sega, not by SE.

Eternal Sonata, great RPG, though not really my kind, was enjoyed by the majority. Not from SE.

Blue Dragon, awesome RPG, not from SE.

Star Ocean: the Last Hope, was a great game, too. You might argue with that, but the reviews say something else. Again not from SE.

I haven't played WKC, so I can't talk much about that, but chances are that you haven't played either, unless you imported it. But The reviewers already praise the Japanese version, so it must be a good game, too. AGAIN, not from Square-Enix. Slowly beginning to get the picture?

I could go on with great games like Magna Carta, Valhalla Knights, Disgaea and many others, ALL not developed by Square-Enix.

Now what do we have on SE's side? Let's see:

The last Remnant, mediocre at best, I had trouble playing 'till the end because it was so repetitive and boring.

Crisis Core wasn't that bad, but it just didn't feel right. That looked more an try to make a quick buck on hardcore FFVII fans.

Project Sylpheed? oh c'mon, you can't be serious.

Infinite Undiscovery? Playing that game was a pain in the A**.

Maybe YOU should stop the whining and open your eyes. Your beloved Square-Enix just isn't what it used to be. I wish it would be different, but it isn't. SE is now a mediocre with mediocre games. Can't deny the facts.

# :/ — Freya 2009-09-05 11:58

Sadly the 360 version IS going to sell. It just is.

# A great game made into a piece of sh*t by XB — TLC_Nyk 2009-09-05 12:10

Its off my list to buy now.

# lolz — jerix954 2009-09-05 12:38

ohhh...well I guess il be getting other games (that really uses the ps3s blue-ray) and is worth my $60.

# Square sold out just for the money — GUNBEHINDTHESUN 2009-09-05 12:40

They probably thought the PS3 wasn't going to sell enough by the games release so they decided to go multi platform with it. But now the slim PS3 is released with a price cut and the sales shot up. Too bad Square went that route and let PS3 fans down.

# right back at ya — haru3173 2009-09-05 13:06

Your greedy also for not wanting FFXIII to get to the 360 and just want the ps3 to have it.

Anyway, as much as I love the 360, I'll surely buy this game for the ps3. I don't know how to say it but it just doesn't feel right if I buy it on the 360. I'll even buy tekken 6 for the ps3. I'll buy other games like MW2 on the 360 though.

# SQUARE ENIX is a SELL OUT!!! — T-Max Blaze 2009-09-05 13:21

B4, This was going to be a legendary PS3 exclusive... That is, until THEY came along. As soon as Microsoft comes to SE with dat paycheck, SE goes like "$.$ OH SHIIIIIIIII"

They knew th@ such a big name franchise would destroy their being in the Game Industry so they Paid SE 2 dev for their console, forcing SONY's console to share their spotlight. Felt like a *****slap @ E3 2008 2 sony and fans, but we knew th@ the PS3 vrsn would be better because it was being developed there first....RIGHT?

Then we get lied to about our

(SO CALLED) unharmed version of the game. So PS3 vrsn is gonna be just the same as theirs, only it's better having it all on one disk instead of 2 or 3 disks of one game on an Xbox. I don't know man, Im gonna have 2 think hard about this one.

# ... — Genotype 2009-09-05 14:31

There a bloody company, they exist to make money. I wont begrudge them for following that purpose. Anyways, if they make more money, they can make more games. Also, don't judge a game before it is released, it may end up being the best rpg ever for all we know.

# wtf... — rollypoly 2009-09-05 14:40

you guys are pathetic...

it's "unfair"?!?! sony fans didn't have a problem when it was the xbox being held back by the lesser ps2, but now it's so unforgivable... give me a break.

grow the ***** up and import if original voices are that important to you.

yeah it sucks that it won't be an option for the majority, but you act like someone just nailed your savior to a cross...

# rollypoly ollie..5yrs old — Teflon02 2009-09-05 15:06

this situation is entirely different from xbox and ps2.. because what was better on the xbox? ohh jus its graphic processor big wop. it wasnt that much better. this is a disk 5X the size that is goina have unused space that should have been filled and not cuz a game was suppose 2 b exclusive to a console. and the difference is ps2 did more and xbox was new so they never owned no titles at the time so any game on xbox and ps2 werent tampered with because sony never did the buying out games. other then the final fantasy s from super nintendo to put on playstation then they stoped. because thats all they wanted cuz they were where it was goina continue. this crap microscopic is pullin went threw and ruined to many series and people keep supporting those idiots ruining gaming altogether.. when did sony ever lose to nintendo in a console war. wen did they ever lose 2 microsoft.. never not . micro is jus buying theyre ppl. they ruined DMC4 FF13 GTA4.. and i can go on some more if i didnt want to waste my time like deez idiots. thats y i have 80% exclusives on ps3 Uncharted, Ratchet, Killzone, Resistance, LBP, Warhawk and more

# Lol — Digitus 2009-09-05 15:36

Thats lame as hell. I liked to explore in the games even if going to an area would get me killed just because it was fun. Its always going to be annoying me in the back of my mind when I find a closed off area I'll just wonder "Is it MS fault?" sigh. Well I'm definitely looking forward to Versus XIII more now than ever. Sucks that the two games couldn't be on the same level....

Then again I could just be over reacting. The game will probably be fantastic the only thing that'll bother me will just be areas closed off like in other RPGs. Just knowing the reason is annoying lol

# huge let down... — Azrael_666 2009-09-05 16:28

what was originally a must buy now feels like a rental... no i'm not going extreme either.. if the game was originally designed to be free, and now it has to have the majority of quests later than earlier because of the 360 version.. that ruins pacing.. usually in a game i do the story a bit, go to do side quests.. then return to story, then side quests.. etc... i've always done this... but really if this is the case then the pacing is going to suffer alot...

i'll rent it, and if i feel it holds up to the final fantasy name, in my opinion, i'll buy.. but honestly square has been losing its touch... going multiplatform is great for all gamers, but when it compromises the original design..

# ... — f31j 2009-09-05 16:36

i was going to be a loyal customer and buy it for PS3; but if this is the way SE going to handle it, guess I will be playing backups on 360 instead. Going to wait for FF XIII Versus instead. Developers should be trying to bring the best out of each system. In this case, the blu-ray tech gives the PS3 the upper-hand and ps3 owners should be rewarded for it. I would expect the same thing if it's for 360. But this decision is just bull****.

# ... — f31j 2009-09-05 16:50

just to add, at least for me - this isn't about what was compromised, but the fact that SE made the decision to compromise. They forgot the reason they got this far is because they have a solid foundation of buyers, the people who bought and supported the FF titles throughout ps2 period. This isn't about ps3 fanboys going crazy about little features missing, this is about SE being greedy and trying to play the "nice and fair" person by sacrificing its loyal customers.

# ... — f31j 2009-09-05 16:56

i may not agree on all points with Teflon02. But one thing is true, there's a reason why exclusive console games (PS3 and 360) are usually the best games. Because the developers spend the time to fully understand the console's power and develop a game that can fully utilize that power. The fact any developer come out and say a multi-platinum game doesnt compromise for either console is just bull***. There will always be compromises made because the two consoles both have advantages the others don't.

# correction — f31j 2009-09-05 16:59

The fact any developer come out and say a "multi-platforms" game doesnt compromise for either console is just bull***.

# ! — HIDEO KOJIMA 2009-09-05 21:06

Man, I thought you FF lovers would have already been used to not getting both audio tracks on the first version of the game. Who cares if it doesn't have both JP and ENG audio. How many people out there, who can't understand Japanese, would set the audio to Japanese and spend the whole time reading the translation at the bottom of the screen while there is action going on? I prefer subs over dubs BUT this is not a video you can rewind anytime because you didn't see what happened or you weren't fast enough to read everything. Hell, maybe they're just lying about the space so that they can put the other audio track as a DLC to make some more money. If you care about having both audio so bad, then either start a petition, which never works, or just wait a year or two when SE rereleases an International version with both audio tracks and DLCs as a PS3 exclusive.

# ALSO!! — HIDEO KOJIMA 2009-09-05 21:24

To the people who say they are not going to buy the game now because of this... seriously, you guys are a bunch of whining idiots.

As for Versus XIII as a PS3 exclusive, if the 360 version of XIII sells more copies than the PS3, do you guys really think SE will keep it exclusive? Seeing as how much more money they can make by going multi platform. No doubt Versus will sell more PS3 versions than 360 versions in Japan, but based on US GTA4 sales, the 360 version has sold more than the PS3 version.

# ERROR — HIDEO KOJIMA 2009-09-05 21:26

Meant XIII in the last line, not Versus

# @ haru3173 — HIDEO KOJIMA 2009-09-05 21:31

I WAS in the same boat, even though XIII went multi-platform, I was still intending to buy it for the PS3, but now that my PS3 no longer reads BluRays, it's pay $60 for the 360 version or spend $210 for the game and PS3 repair just to play the game for a few months before the PS3 breaks down again.

# um — rollypoly 2009-09-05 23:06

@teflon

HDD, Online Gaming, Gfx, HD, DLC... thats plenty.

regardless of whether m$ paid a dev, or sony's console had the install base that made devs "sell out" it's still a dev not maximizing the console's potential to make it easier and more equal for the audience.

# just had a thought — rollypoly 2009-09-06 03:34

sony isn't the angel you seem to think...

microsoft took sony's playbook and ran with it, FF wasn't the only title sony paid for that generation. i guess you weren't old enough back then to be aware...

and a friend pointed out: whats to stop SE from releasing the jap audio as DLC?

# ..... — Silver-Tiger 2009-09-06 07:27

@rollypoly:

I've never heard of an Xbox game that was held back by the PS2...

Maybe the Xbox didn't get so much games, but I've never heard of an Xbox game that would have better if the PS2 wasn't there.

Normally the Xbox games had more features or had better graphics. Nobody held back the Xbox.

# @silver — rollypoly 2009-09-06 08:03

there were quite a few games that were developed with ps2 as the primary platform (as it had a much larger install base).

yeah some of them did have more features on xbox. tony hawk pro skater for example had network play...

no one would really want to make mention (as square obviously tried to avoid) of how the game could of been better...

f31j was 100% correct when he stated that "There will always be compromises made because the two consoles both have advantages the others don't."

it's really a dead point as it doesn't matter anymore, i was just saying they should not be such a group of whiny little *****s.

they act like their chosen console is sacred and should not be graced with anything tainted by the specs of a "lower" system... it really borders on religious zeal.

# ! — HIDEO KOJIMA 2009-09-06 09:05

Do you even understand what you read? Your original plan was to "buy" the PS3 version and what you are complaining about "only" effects the 360 version, not the PS3 version, and now you choose to rent the PS3 version because the 360 version is suffering from space... oooooohkay......

# Agreed with Tiger — Master Chef 2009-09-06 09:14

This news is upsetting that DVD and the 360 will in fact be holding FF back, but really, how do we even know FF13 will even be any good in the first place? Square hasn't made a great game in years. Based on the vids it looks kinda dumb IMO. Square needs to just drop FF and come up with something completely new, because FF got old after 8. 14 games in a series is going way too far. I guess Square doesn't care tho because they continue to sell

# Tsk — Teivin 2009-09-06 10:20

I never said they were good games. I said they were different. Every game you people tout as good is just a clone of an already existing engine/design idea with updated graphics. Things like Last Remnant? Ya, Console RPGs dont come around like that. It sucked, sure, and the PC version didn't fix the inherent problems, but it was an attempt at a different kind of game.

It isn't even fanboyism, its simply that very few companies try anything that isn't safe. Glad you guys can read, though. Oh wait...

Regardless, keep on getting rabid over fanboyism posted by a site called /PS3 CENTER/ decrying that something in a closed development they have no access to and no basis to these claims they made.

Almost every single comment in this thread is pure idiocy. People crying over spilt milk that /in fact hasnt even been put in a container yet, much less been allowed to spill/.

Jesus christ fanboys will find reasons to cry if it kills them.

# Huh? — Master Chef 2009-09-06 23:22

If Last Remnant sucked and you admit it then why bother mentioning it? Games are not art in the same sense as color on canvas, their purpose is to entertain, not be "different". If a game isn't fun to play then it's a failure, plain and simple. And Last Remnant definitely is not fun to play

# ... — NathanDrake 2009-09-06 23:45

Final Fantasy is garbage anyways. Ok I don't like RPGs much as it is but even I've seen and played several that were far more involving and enjoyable than that pathetic tedious series.

# have you ever played FFX? — sickofitall 2009-09-09 21:50

if you had you would know that some RPGs do let you backtrack, sometimes to find different secrets or treasured that you couldn't access earlier. Even if the story is linear, you could still go back to other areas later on if you wanted to. This is just something else that could be taken out of this game, because it inconviences the 360.

Also, why would someone want to mute the game? They are saying that it would be nice to have a choice on voices.

# I doubt the 360 has changed anything sickofitall — Jez 2009-09-10 10:11

IMO, nothing has changed in FFXIII because of the 360, and that includes going back to earlier areas. I could say more but, if you go to the source linked in the report, some guy called mtmind sums everything I was thinking.

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