Compare and Contrast: Real Ferrari vs. Gran Turismo HD demo Ferrari |
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The tongues of some of the staff have hit the floor, but that's because they're Italian car nuts. And since this writer's more of a Porsche fan himself, well, nuts to that. But the visuals certainly are impressive. It's the shot of the blue Italian horsey that's particularly unnerving - at HD standards, even the CGI people almost look like the real deal, too.
We wonder how much of the PS3's Cellular power the visual engine of the demo's eating.
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PS3 rocks. anyone that says otherwise will live their entire life in denial...
and for those without a PS3, this is not CGI. this is actual gameplay
Yep i can confirm this is actual gameplay, the Ferrari is unlocked as the 10th car and after u unlock the 10th car, you unlock the same 10 cars automaticly again but with a "tuned" mode which basicly master tunes them automaticly for you, to reach the highest speeds and handling.
Wowowow. I didn't get to try out the demo but I friend DL'ed it and told me all aboutt he visuals. I guess he was right, not that I doubted PD's talents.
Haha PS3 now *****s on Xbox 360's graphics! So much for Xbots trying to put down PS3! You lose boys lol!! PS3 owns in graphics! 7800GTX my ass! Haha where'd you come up with that Fanboys lol!
and the best part is that none of them are even commenting in here +)
The above people are complete morons. This title is coming out on both xbox and PC. So what were you saying???
yeah...sure...Gran Turismo is a Playstation exclusive. this is one title that sony will never lose....and that's partly because it's in development by Sony Computer Entertainment. Second of all....this title is already out...GT 5 is a totally different game as Polyphony Digital said.. Either way, GT 5 is PS3 ONLY
lets face this is not gameplay, stop dreaming. i will still buy when the price drop and i see good games.
you seriously make me laugh. do you even own a PS3? no...this game is out on Playstation Store...and yes, this is gameplay...I've played it myself. If you don't believe go and try it for yourself you idiot
Ok. ALL OF YOU ARE WRONG. This game is only a concept. Grand Tourismo HD has been cancelled. The title is a demo and it uses up almost all of PS3's graphics power which is why they could only make it a demo. Second, Gran Tourismo 5 will come out to replace GTHD, but it will not look nearly as good. All of you are getting excited for nothing. It will look no different than Ridge Racer when it comes out as a final full game product.
GT HD has been cancelled because they are working on a new engine for GT 5. GT 5 will look BETTER than GT HD. We'll see who's right in 2008...
It's sad to see all these excuses these fanboys are making up to mask the reality of GTHD. Coming out for other consoles??? Where the hell did you get that hahaha.
I do own a PS3, and sorry, but the gameplay is nowhere near like these replay videos. Yes, it looks like this during videos and replays, but NOT during a race. In fact its a horrible game. What do you people expect when there are no other cars, and there is 1 track, and it took them 2 years to make even that. Of course it going to look good. But the funniest part is you folks don't even take these into account. You PS3 people make me sick and its embarrassing.
First of all, there are no races. It's a time trial. Second of all, of course it doesn't look like that during actual playing. What do you expect? You're inside the car? How do you expect to see the quality of the car when you're inside it and you're traveling at 100mph? The quality is shown when you're viewing the car from a stand still camera and you're seeing the ENTIRE Car, not the bumper or the road...
Everything you have seen so far is real time gameplay.
If you were to cruise at a low speed in third person view, the visuals do not look different from replay mode. You can stop and look at the pedestrians or the buildings and grass.
If your logic is correct, then GTHD is already better then Forza 2, since the videos of Forza so far have all been replay videos and still look worse then in-game GTHD.
Xbox Fanboys=Bag of *****
Nintendo Fanboys are also=B.O.S unless They B cum alies with Sony fans!!!!!
I am a 360 owner, and I must say it looks really good, but it is nothing that the 360 can't achieve, if it didn't already acheive it with PGR3...then Forza will definitely do it...But honestly this is probably gameplay and it looks really good...Go PS3
-sega fanboy...
Which ones the TV Commercial and Video Gameplay? Its look identical and real! I have those demo in my PS3 and the graphic is so sick!!!
I played Gran Turismo 1 thru 4 and this is the greatest evolution in graphics and gameplay I have seen yet. I can't wait to finally play Gran Turismo with a Ferrari. I hope they have Porsche and Lamborghini in there as well. It would greatly increase the game's popularity. Soon to be the best racing game ever!
Thank you for acknowledging the PS3 and it abilities. Not to diss you but Forza won't do it. It can't get better than Gran Turismo. No racing game came close thru GT's history. No company but Polyphony will take the time to make sure their racing game is top of the line. I will be surprised to see a graphical feat in Forza like in Gran Turismo HD
I feel dumbfounded; it took me a few seconds to figure out that three of those pictures were taken directly from the game. It goes to demonstrate what shockingly powerful images the PS3 can render.
Forza may be able to make a game that looks as good.
But the GT series has had many more advantages. For example, the number of cars in a GT game still exceeds the number of all the other rivals combined.
GT4 has more cars then PGR1-3 and Forza combined. thats something that Forza will never amount to because it takes Polyphony a very long time to do that.
The tracks make the game, and the real world tracks in GT games have always been better then the competition. In terms of tracks, GT4 has amazing detail and realism.
Physics are also a major issue. GTHD has hit the mark. I have experience driving real cars on a track, and GT4 has always been easier for the car to oversteer. But the Acura Integra aka RSX in america, handles like the real car itself. In GT4, the car was extremely touchy in the turns and very easy to spin out, but in GTHD you can see its much more difficult because its a FF car, I have yet to play a game that has physics like GTHD, it may not be perfect, but its very close.
ps3 will look good but not like that, yet, it will take a couple of years to achieve incredible graphics like that. whoever spent 600.00$ is going to have to wait a while. stop dreaming and enjoy what you have a ps2 3/4.
You make good points about the physics and everything else but as the power of the cell chip is revealing itself with every passing day do you think GT5 will look close to the demo and do you think the 360 has the power to make Forza look as good...I honestly don't think so especially with the Cell and the development time Polyphony has.
Just because it looks too good to be true, doesn't mean it isn't.
You have obviously never played the GTHD demo. If you did, you would realize that the images you are seeing are real gameplay images being placed side by side with the real cars.
we have the demo, and those screenshots are indeed ingame.
i'm not even a GT fan, but i was amazed at how incredible the visuals looked, and on a standard TV no less. we took it over to my roommate's dad's house and hooked it up to his 52" 720p TV, and it looked even better.
you don't need an HDTV to enjoy PS3 graphics, but they do add quite a bit to the visual experience.
This will never be released!The damned demo takes up like what? 95% processing power,Now how in the hell will they make a driving game with good courses out of that.
Link of where you got that info smart guy?
This is real gameplay, it looks awesome, ANNND its free. Don't forget that its free. If it weren't, we would've had more tracks and cars.
First of all, show me a link or prove me what you just said.
Second, 95% processing power is not the same as 95% of the processor. In other words, GT5 can still look as good and use 95% of the processing power.
Third, why are you complaining? This is good news.
he took it out of his ass obviously.
japan got an update for it 2 days after release.
if you want info on whats updated >> www.gran-turismo.com/jp/ japanese reading knowledge required. i got both version.
even the ridge racer 7 patches (7 events and 7 decal sets).
I have both systems Ps3 & X360 and playing this demo I wasn't that impressed with the graphics they looked washed out the colors and too much blur effects in the backrounds (remember the fog backrounds in Nintendo 64) PGR3 still looks (better detail and colors) and plays better (tighter control) but anyways I can't wait for Blue Dragon!!
First of all: You sir, are a f#cking idiot.
"The title is a demo and it uses up almost all of PS3's graphics power which is why they could only make it a demo." I must admit, that sentence made me laugh.. you clearly have no idea what your talking about. The only difference between a demo and a full game, is that the full game includes more content (cars, tracks, etc.) What does that have to do with the power of the PS3? "Second, Gran Tourismo 5 will come out to replace GTHD, but it will not look nearly as good. All of you are getting excited for nothing." I disagree.. As mentioned above, GT5 will be made on a newer, better engine than GTHD. So in future, stick to trolling the 360 blogs and if you must post here, keep your xbox fanboy-ism to yourself. F#ckwit.
"But the GT series has had many more advantages."
Whilst the AI in Forza wasn't perfect, it was far better than the rubber-band AI seen in GT4, especially since you could stop on the racing line in GT4 and the cars will collide with you as if you wasn't there, simply because they had no awareness of your car on the track. You could also bump into other cars to take corners faster, just like the previous games in the series.
The drivatar feature in Forza was also a great addition to the genre, and the damage model added to the realism (again, not perfect, but better than nothing at all).
And lastly, customising your car and the feature which was stripped out of GT4 at the last moment, racing ONLINE.
So overall, Forza was a much better and much more satisfying racer for me than GT4.
GT-HD is just a small demo of GT4 for the PS3, and so I'm just not excited by this demo at all. However, if GT5 could rectify the problems of GT4 by including many of the features Forza players took for granted on the XBox, then THAT would be a racer to be excited about in future. :)
It will be interesting to see how Forza 2 and GT5 compare upon release.
"but as the power of the cell chip is revealing itself with every passing day do you think GT5 will look close to the demo and do you think the 360 has the power to make Forza look as good..."
This is not a demo of GT5, this is a demo of GT4 for the PS3. It's the same game but with higher polygon counts on the cars. So since this is based on a PS2 game, there is nothing here that is really taxing for Cell, hence Polyphony could have achieved exactly the same demo if they were presented with the 360's hardware to work with.
GT5 will have a new game engine, with all we would expect from a next-gen game including HDR, improved physics/driving model, hopefully damage modelling, hopefully a completely overhauled AI system, online racing and many other additions. 60fps is a given, therefore we'll have to wait and see if they can achieve all of this at 1080p. It may be 720p like Forza 2 (which will offer 720p, 60fps, HDR, 4xFSAA with Global Illumination).
I have become a fan of the racing genre because of this game. After downloading the demo I was so amazed by the graphics, I had to try Ridge Racer 7. They are both beautiful but GT HD blows it away in terms of visuals. I am so happy to own a PS3. With Ninja Gaiden Sigma and GT HD proving the PS3's power over the 360, there is no turning back. And these are 1st generation games... Imagine 3rd and 4th gen?
''ps3 will look good but not like that, yet, it will take a couple of years to achieve incredible graphics like that. whoever spent 600.00$ is going to have to wait a while. stop dreaming and enjoy what you have a ps2 3/4.''
Eh.. It does look like that!! Did you not hear that demo is out already and people have played it. They say it's incredible and it matches the trailers. I saw some in-game pics taken by people who have the demo and it looks real life!!! Beats anything XBox has as far as graphics! All you fanboys shut up with your lame attempts and excuses for bringing the PS3 down. Your embarrassing yourselves lol!
And to the Xbot who said GT is coming to 360... sorry dissapoint you but the game is owned by Sony and you'll never see these graphics lol! What a noob!
600$ down the toilet. any good game yet? resistance? resistance is the most expensive game in the world; it cost 670.00$ . it most be that good.
Anyone can create a "DEMO" to show off the graphic's of an console (don't they make demo's like that at tech shows?). I think the reason why this demo was released was to showcase the POSSSIBLITY of the PS3. Everyone was losing hope on the PS3 especially with reviews that put PS3 games below par of the XBOX 360.
The demo is to woo more users into buying the unit, but it's just a demo. I never played it, never seen it so I can't comment on the graphics and gameplay (only heard that it was "amazing"). Who knows what'll happen with the real game. I know it's been in production for a while so hopefully it'll be good as the demo.
This still don't make up for the hype. The only good game that I've played was RFOM. I'm glad I didn't spend $600+ on this system this early. However the system has plenty of potential, with a larger libary of games and maybe lower price it might be something worth purchasing. Not because of a demo though.
I as well have the 360 and PS3 and just tried the demo yesterday and was pretty impressed by it I have to say. I haven't been overly impressed with any other game on the PS3 yet and I do say this game looks pretty good EXCEPT... where are all the skid marks and dirt marks? Also some of the shadows from worldly objects don't cast on your car, particularly from a large tree (on the right) around the turn before the tunnel section. Also the basic grass and gravel textures are pretty weak and take away from the overall graphics. After staring at the mountains for a while (which at first look kinda cool and somewhat realistic) theres something about them that look funny, probably b/c they're 2D with no lighting effects. I didn't check to see if there was realtime weather or at least clouds that move and cast shadows either, anyone else check that out? Cars look excellent though, too bad you cant view from the drivers seat and check out the interiors of the cars. And again it sucks that these cars can't take any damage!!!! WTF is that all about. The sound effect of your car hitting the ground after the first jump part sounds off for some reason too, sounds like just a thud and you would expect a more mechanical sound meshed in. All in all, I'll wait till both forza on the 360 and GT5 on the PS3 to pass further judgment. I just think the shader engine and lighting on 360 looks more realistic.
Can 360 convert DSD to PCM? I think not, well DSD IS a sony technology but it takes 5 SPE's to convert DSD to PCM. What does this mean? well it simply means that the Cell is capable of converting SACD to PCM in full resolution. http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36188
"* SACD is stored in the DST format (= compressed DSD). DST changes compression methods and parameters every 1/75 seconds, which eats huge processing load when decoding. In the first 2 months the developer optimized it into realtime processing. Then he threw away the old source code and wrote a faster new codec in 3 weeks with the knowledge he had gained. It uses 5 SPEs - 3 SPEs for DST decompression, and 2 SPEs for DSD to PCM conversion."
"An SCE developer recommends trying 1.5x fast-forward playback in the PS3 BD player to see the power of Cell. When it's connected to a display via 1080/60p, it becomes very smooth as Cell has an enough margin for video decoding. In 1.5x fast-forward playback it decodes all frames then inserts them into 60fps with sped up audio." If that isnt something then what is?
Of course we all wish we had Atari pong instead. If you don't care then why even bother posting. Sure you have something more important to do than post about something that doesn't matter.
Well at least it's better than spending TWICE as much as you would on an XBox 360 for noticeably worse graphics. So for those that do care here is a dose of reality for you...
Hmm...PS3 has better real-time graphics- now proven, HDMI for real digital 1080p, Blu-Ray drive, user upgradeable HDD, silent drive while watching movies...at HALF the price of the 360 media system.
Here are the real console prices in Canada.
Xbox 360 20GB is 500 dollars.
Wireless charger is 30 dollars - not included in box. Even though a wireless controller is. Go figure.
On-line play is 250 dollars at 50 dollars per year for 5 years of the average console lifespan
HD-DVD is 200 dollars
HDMI is not included or available on the 360.
980 plus 15 percent tax means the Xbox 360 grand total equals... 1127 cnd dollars.
PS3 20GB is 550 dollars
Wireless charger is 0 dollars - included in the box. What a concept.
On-line play is 0 dollars for 5 years - included in the box.
Blu-Ray is 0 dollars - included in the box
HDMI included in the box.
550 plus 15 percent tax means the PS3 grand total equals...632 cnd dollars.
Yes the 360 is TWICE the price. Read it and weep. You've been SCAMMED by Microsoft. SCAMMED. Why would anyone pay TWICE as much for 360 graphics that suck in comparison to this real game play of GTHD. This is all REAL gameplay - it's not what's possible. It's what's here now. Nice try. Too bad the 360 has already run out of steam only one year later. In their rush to beat Sony they forgot about the customer and now they are trying to pull the wool over people's eyes with their trolls.
Want to add wireless connection to your 360, shell out $125 cdn for Microsofts proprietary wireless connector OR
spend $110 cdn dollars and get built-in wireless plus compact flash reader plus s/d reader plus memory stick reader plus another 40 GB of drive space on the PS3 60GB version. For $15 less than MS charges you for a friggen wireless connection you get all that extra functionality on the PS3.
Across the board the 360 is more expensive - even on accessories. Meanwhile I use my standard bluetooth cell phone headset on my PS3.
The only hype is the MS lies about the pricing and the trolls on this board.. the only thing that is really expensive is the Xbox 360.
The PS3 is surpassing the hype actually. Easily surpassing it. Sony actually delivered what they promised and more.
Just like MS sells that buggy windows, they are selling the same buggy, bricking crap on the 360. Maybe they should have spent the money on building a product that can compete rather than spending it on marketing to lie to people. Scammed.
Oh and the Audio/Video crowd is also loving the product btw. Not so much the frankenstein 360 that doesn't actually support next gen sound either. What does it actually support for next gen? Anything? Already out of steam in comparison to GTHD. Just a year and already left standing by the roadside. Scammed.
The only ones that seem to have something negative to say about the PS3 or Sony are MS fanboys and Microsoft employees trolling on these boards.
Everyone that has one knows Sony has hit a home-run. An absolute home-run with this product.
Expensive? Really? Not compared to that overpriced, underperforming xbox 360. That's for sure. Scammed.
Xbox 360 is TWICE as much as the PS3 ..scammed. Check the prices for yourselves folks.
...for an honest evaulation of the demo.
It makes a change from all the blind fanboyism on display here earlier.
For someone looking for a Hi-Def gaming experience on a console. This is what the average consumer sees:
$500 or $600 PS3
$300 or $400 Xbox 360
What do you get out of the box?
Well the $400 360 offers HD out of the box with included component cables... Both PS3s and the cheaper xbox 360 don't offer HD cables out of the box, so you need to buy them. Why would Sony not include this is beyond me and everyone else, christ, HDMI cables are like $5 to add in the box.
The 360 is all about choice... Do you need an HD movie drive or do you just want it for gaming? Do you need a HDD or do you prefer memory cards? Do you absolutely need wireless controllers? Everything MS does is about providing the end user with options.
Obviously being able to upgrade the HDD (by yourself) to 150 or 200 GB on the PS3 is an amazing feature and HDMI is also nice, along with a Quiet 2X Blu-ray drive that runs virtually silent compared to the 12x DVD player on the 360. Both systems have their perks but at least you have some choice with the 360 if you watch HD movies you have an option, it isn't force fed down your throat and touted as the end all be all super computer, its what it says it is... A HIGH DEF gaming console.
And also, I gladly pay $4.17 a month for the xbox live service. The whole Live experience is worthwhile and everyone should be willing to give it a try. If you can afford to buy a new console you should be able to pay an extra few dollars a month for a superior online experience.
After going from xbox live to PS online, its rather disappointing and amazing how much you miss those little things from Live.
Just my 2 cents...and if it costs too much in Canada then move to the US, maybe you'll find friendlier prices, especially like that $100 off of a 360 from Microcenter!
"Hmm...PS3 has better real-time graphics- now proven"
Proven? Don't be so dumb please, nothing has been proven since opinions are not FACTS!
Your post is nonsense, and it's yet another example of blind fanboyism that is WAY OFF TOPIC. It make you sound like an insecure gamer desperate to justify his (or her) purchase.
Both are excellent consoles, so I'm not going to stoop to the level of gamers like yourself who has to defend one console and attack others, but I have to ask why you think a demo of the excellent looking GT4 from the PS2 ported to the PS3 with improved cars, justifies the post you've given here?
Can we get back to the GT-HD demo please? Thanks.
Xbox Fat Boys to buy a PS3. Look how many trolls get smashed by sony fanboys. Well Well I need reinforcements in the Xbox forums...
is you GameX...
I am sure you are so Confident about your 360....that you spend your entire time in the PS3 forums.
and those are NOT opinions.....the Demo is here and these are [Facts]....if you havent Played the Demo...Plz...go Back to your Forums :)
Ohh.....ofcourse....this is Just A demo..a concept....You can rest assured that the Final Game will be Further Improved....with More Cars than the amount of 360 sold...and Ofcourse...the Online Component
In fact....GT5 main focus will be the online component...and that doesnt mean simple racing Online....it means much more
Car nerds will Be updated with the latest news from car manufacturers directly....giving the gamer a true feeling that He actually [Owns the car]....with updates including new Cars with real Specs and information from the Manufacturers [a deal with Nissan was already made]
sorry 360fans.....but nothing reaches Granturismo....GT3...alone...sold 14million copies Alone [thats more than both Halo 1+2 :) ] not counting the other games in the Franchise..
Sony is doing Great.....with this type of Online Luxury...it easly Beats Xboxlive....and its Free
GTR is a Playstation exlcusive series, and yes that is gameplay. The X-Box 360 pales in comparison to the PS3, but lost planet looks cool, hope it comes to PS3 and PC, hope. As for PC, the Nvidia 8800 GTX is greater than the PS3's graphics card. And Crysis is looking good, so....i hate 360 trolls
I truly hate that... :)
First...its not 400$...its 450$..[The XBL service subscription fee]
Your other Mistake.... Consumers Always like to Get more for Their for their money...so what they Actually see is....a 540$ system [ps3+HDMI cable] that have Incredible Functionality.....with the abilty to play next-gen movie formats....and has incredible exclusive Games [MGS,GT5,FFXIII ]...and output FullHD 1080p through HDMI which will be the Only way to view 1080P [Major tv Makers will stop supporting VGA Gradually and replace it with HDMI...as a single sulution for Audio/Video]
All this for no more than a 100$ than the 360...ofcourse i dont count the core system...since it lacks an HDD..meaning you cant save your games,so you,l have to buy one from microsoft at 100$[very cheap as you can see]
sorry....if doesnt have HDMI it sont play 1080P eventually.....and if it doesnt play movies and games at 1080p...then its really a High-DeF system.
of course MS can make an HDMI adapter.....but that means you,l need to pay [More] for another adapter and HDMI Cables....Trust me....Consumers Hate ["Choices"] that cost them this much money.....as history has Proved...Addons mostly Fail :)
[the pure Concept behind Consoles is to Have it All in one box].....thats why it capitalized on the PC [which need upgrades and has unlimited choices].......the word "Choice"...is an illusion that 360fans try convincing themselves with.....no choice costs 200$...thats For Sure :)
oh well....i guess MS is too poor to put it all in a box....they Need to make money from every Unit....Poor thing
Little fangirls like you Broken_Hero who spends all your insecure time here trying to boost the PS3 by putting down the 360 are bound not to like my posts. However, since I own neither console (yet), I don't need to stoop to your low standards.
"and those are NOT opinions.....the Demo is here and these are [Facts]....if you havent Played the Demo...Plz...go Back to your Forums :)"
The demo being here is a fact, the demo 'proving' the PS3 has the best real-time graphics is an OPINION. If you don't know the difference between both words, get yourself a dictionary.
Sorry, but I've seen enough of your posts here on QJ to put you in the same category as people like SteveTao + Vietone.
All I've seen from GameX are posts which are mostly balanced across all consoles, although I do detect a slight preference towards the 360, not by what he says but by the posts he responds to. But just the same, it's nothing like the pro-PS3 anti-360 comments I see coming from you Broken_Hero, or the repeatition of pro-Sony/PS3 posts you cut and pasted numerous times here, even when completely off topic.
So I don't see how GameX is being a fanboy here or in any other thread I've read recently, but I can see how you are. ;)
there is good speculation that lost planet will come to ps3 in the near future as ubisoft begins to go the multi-platform route for many of its games.
Everything you mentioned in the game doesnt exist in Gt4 and therefore not in GTHD.
GTHD was a remake of GT4 but at 1080p. and it really shows because they also improved the physics of the game greatly.
When driving I noticed the overcast of the tree shadows on the cars.
Also this isnt about damage, this is about realism. Goto a real race and you will see the entire point of real life racing is very technical.
Damaging other cars or your own is a taboo and a sign of in-experience. If you want realistic damage then games would suck. Because hit your car in the wrong place and you shot the performance of the car down to less then half. For example, if you take a turn too fast and slam into the wall with your front left tire, your pretty much given up the race, cause there is no way your tire will be in alignment to finish the race, so the damage in forza is really cosmetic as I can take minor damage a few times and still finish the race.
Please tell us how Ubisoft has anything to do with CAPCOM's Lost Planet for the 360?
Also, what has this got to do with GT-HD???
I honestly could not tell the difference beetween the ps3 and real car, i was actually thinking opposite until i saw the text in the corners. I don't think xbox could get as good as this(Why else would it be $200 cheaper), but i do think xbox has to potential to run games like Devil May Cry...
...that a PS3 demo or game can't come along without immediate comparison being made to the 360 and whether it's better than anything seen on the 360 or can/can't run on the 360?
Please stop fanning the flames (intentional or not), it's annoying.
You're impressed, great, so talk about the demo, not the 360. :)
hahah, its funny how even a demo can surpass anything the 360 has every or will put out. lol.
how ironic.
PS3 FTW!!!
"Also this isnt about damage, this is about realism."
How is no damage more realistic? It's the complete opposite and together with the AI, is one of the things that I dislike about the GT series.
Damage doesn't have to be over done, but it should be there to some degree to add realism to the game and fairness to the races. It's because of the lack of damage that gamers can bounce off other cars when taking corners, something you could not do for real and get away with it.
This kind of 'bumper car' driving may be fine in the single player game, but as this game is going online, gamers should pay the consequences of such actions, and damage will achieve this.
There's no way I'm going to be happy in GT5 if I find myself about to win a race online and improve my world ranking when suddenly someone bumps into the side of my car on the final corner, causing me to crash whilst he goes on to win the race!
Think about it.
Also, the damage in Forza has two levels, where the first level is purely cosmetic, but the other level (simulation) effects the performance and control of the car depending on the damage.
It's even more funny that you can't even think of anything intelligent to say, in particular, nothing to say about the demo itself.
Also, where's the irony?
Thanks Unregistered-gamer.
And yes, you're right that I'm a little more impressed with the 360 right now, but I also like the PS3. I just don't buy into the hype that "Cell makes it's a supercomputer", "it's twice as powerful as the 360", "Game X can't run on the 360" etc. ;).
Hence one moment I'm called an MS fanboy because I don't accept the BS put out by Sony fanboys, other times I'm called a Sony fanboy because I don't accept the BS put out by MS fanboys. In otherwords, the only people who ever call me a fanboy, are fanboys themselves!
I haven't been called a Nintendo fanboy yet, so perhaps I'll need to work on that!
Anyway, I plan to buy both consoles in future, but only after the first price cut for each.
i have both systems and when i purchased my ps3 i felt i got my moneys worth at 500 dollars. although i am getting charged for features i cant use. i have a 7.1ch receiver but it does not have HDMI so that feature is useless. i have a 20.1 inch monitor @ 1680x1050 it does 720p well. most tvs with HDMI dont have output audio so that means id have to get a HDMI receiver and a HDMI 1080p TV to take full effect. ( so much for that)
i have the xbox connected VGA and the ps3 DVI so i often do compare similar demos.
as far as GTHD im a tru fan of GT it is by far the best racing game in my opinion. (drifting GT4 theres forums and communities look it up, awesome stuff)
GTDEMO for ps3 was not graphically impressive and from what i believe it wasnt ment to be. if you guys recall GTHD was more like GT4 upscaled and improved.(this is what polyphony said) the things you have to pay attention to or atleast that i was very impressed with by.unlike many tracks on GT4 when you drive GTHD you can see far in the distance ppl and road. GT is a game were the scenery was much important just as the cars. i was very pleased with the details that polyphony hopefully will polish and bring to GT5 . i can only guess that it will have baja racing and offroad racing will have real spectators cheering on, winding roads where you can see the cars following on the distance and real pit crews.
i say i was not impressed in the graphics department because most GT4 owners never bothered hooking up their ps2s with component cables and run the game on HD option. i did :)!!
you can read any reaview out there for GT4 on HDmode and you will read that its like night and day im going to be as bold to say that it looks almost better than the ps3 demo, nokidding.
and one more thing what is that thing with the ps3 that when your dling a demo you cant do anything else. the xbox is supposed to be inferior but when im dloading something i can go play a demo or a game no problem. em i missing something is there a button i have to press. w/e im rambling.
this looks SOO real on my tv(46" 1080p hdmi) wow man. i have no clue how they can get realler than this i mean come on guys how the hell can they make better version? look at it omfg. am sort of mad you cant use the SIXAXIS controller in the demo(and hopefully you can in the real game) but wow man my jaw dropped and stayed there. i couldnt leave the house. I had friends come over just to see the demo. wow amazing simply put
wtf. i didn't know that ps2 can do hd. do this ***k know what his talking about. hooking up your ps2 using component doesn't make your video out hd. when you hook your ps2 using component. 480,540,960,720 1080. yah right you have both system ei. and do you even know what's the difference between composite and component, rgb and yuv, sd and hd, resolution and aspect ratio.
you said you have a 7.1 receiver but it doesn't have an hdmi port. and you have a monitor that do 720p. then don't getting a ps3. just stick with your 360 then. ps3s are not for poor people. sorry.
download this today and I can't believe what I'm seeing. this is awsome. ps3 rocks.
one racing demo isn't enough to trash the xbox with. Besides GoW looks better and so does Rainbow Six Vegas. TASTE IT
Wait till Forza 2 gets released for the 360.
Forza is nothing compared to GT
Alright i am going to end this..for all the dumbasses who think they know about computers ya *****in nut*****s..listen. Just read this text. PS3 has better hardware than 360..but 360 owns ps3 in software..and tats wat matters look at this...that is using REPLAY i have a ps3 cause i like both consoles..ill admit ima 360 fanboy..but i consider both sides. its using replay..it dosint evn look like that on actaul gameplay...the driving feels soo fake specially with no rumble, it dosint feel like ur in a car, no bumps no steering view mode and dositn feel liek ur driving. But mainly THATS NOT ACTUAL GAMEPLAy its using replay, wich means ur not actaully racing at that period and time when the replay is taken, a replay is a video taken of wat u have driven, also using enhancements like pgr3, they used special technologly to enhance the visuals in gameplay
Sorry, i mean to say they used special technology to enhance the visuals in the replay, sorry for the mistake
Ok all of you nuttchugging *****wads...I can take it the ignorance surrounding this "game" no more. Kazunori allready said in multiple interviews that GT5 WILL have damage. It has not been done b4 NOT because of car manufacturers saying do not do it. They did said it for the 1st GT when Kaz had to practically beg them to let him put their cars in the game. After the 1st GT sold millions the car companies were beating down his door. The reason (and he says this in the interview) is that he wanted to do it right. The PS1 and PS2 were not capable of producing accurate damage. The PS3 on the other hand...IS more than powerful enough to do the damage like Kaz wants it. So boys and girls the finished GT5 will have damage, online, and of course hundreds of cars. By the way, GTHD is running on an early version of the GT5 engine. Key word here, EARLY. He also said that there will be future updates to the demo b4 GT5 comes out. So, just like Gran Turismo 2000, (remember that one boys and girls?) GTHD will look like dated when the finished GT5 is released. I still remember at E3 2000 when people were saying that the demo for GT2000 was to good to be true...it only had one car on one track at a time...sound familiar? That is all.
Praise be the FSM
Praise be the Beer Volcano
Praise be the Stripper Factory
P.S. If I can find the interview that I mentioned...I will post a link to it...might take a while though...it is more than a year old.
Tootles
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id+111653
This is one of the interviews I was refering to.
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/564/564826p1.html
here is another one...my work is done
"The game looks stunning and with the 480p and 1080i modes for the lucky HDTV owners out there it gets even better"
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/589/589617p1.html
"While we're on the subject, owners of the former have an additional feature to get excited about, namely that of the game's 1080i HD support. There's no discernable change to the game's impressive frame-rate when you run it in this mode (despite the enormous strain it's doubtless putting the graphics processor under) and the most elegant change it makes is the way it cleans up the already pretty squeaky-clean textures. Notable as much for it's very existence as anything else (it is, to our knowledge, the only game that supports the mode on the system) it's an impressive demonstration of what the PS2 is really capable of when pushed."
http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?pager.offset+1+cId+3138530
"then don't getting a ps3"
i dont know what that means
as far as my economic status im sure your parents cant afford my set up
http://www.harmankardon.com/product_detail.aspx?Region+USA+Country+US+Language+ENG+cat+REC+prod+AVR%20340+sType+C
thats my receiver
btw my monitor accepts 1080p but its not native so i dont care for it.
GT5 drift drift!! cant wait.
I'm a Sony fanboy at heart but that doesn't mean I'm a close minded Sony fanboy. No matter what you say, as of right now, Xbox360 is kicking PS3's ass. Badly. HDMI, Blu-ray, and 1080P isn't what I want to hear about the PS3, I want the GAMES! So far, Sony seems more interested on promoting its Blu-ray disks then they are for their games.
So far, Microsoft is more concentrated with games then Sony. Thats why there are more exclusives coming to Microsoft, and more and more Sony exclusives are becoming multi-platform games. Right now I see more and more reasons every day why Xbox360 is worth my money, but not the PS3. PS3 games look washed out, and less graphically impressive then 360. I want a PS3 badly, but I also want games that will guarantee me its worth it badly. I'm sorry, but Resistance just doesn't cut it out for me.
I'm very pissed at Sony because they're not showing any consumer support and thats not something you should expect from a company that has been a leader for the past 10 years. Hopefully this changes, and judging by the games coming out in 2007, PS3's price might seem fair and
we'll see more support from Sony's 1st party studios, and 3rd party studios.
I've bought a 360, and I'm very happy with it. I didn't buy a PS3 because nothing justifies the price for it right now, and the games coming out for both systems look better on 360 and Live, whether you want to admit it or not, is way better and more organized then Sony's.
There a lot of Sony franchises that I've grown to love over the years, especially Metal Gear Solid series. I can't wait for Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy (both of them), and White Knight Story to come out, because those are the games I see with my eyes, that I think justify the price. Come on Sony, if you're hearing this, please start cranking out more games!
P.S: I hope no Sony fanboys or Xbox fanboys start getting pissed. I like both companies and I hope both are here to stay and give us amazing games that gets us excited and glad we are gamers.
As Unbiased Opinion...
Damn....pretty fightin words from Unregistered but i,l say this...
Every Human is Biased.....The Brain Is Made in this way....it cannot comprhened Subjective Ideas.....this is a known Fact in psycology..
in fact everyone comes Here with their Opinions Predetermined......hardly i there is a true Unbiased opinion....and most people who seem so.....Are only actin in this way.
so...am i biased....ofcourse....but so are you My Freinds....Unless the subjects of game software doesnt matter to you......and even then.....there will be a certain amount of bias.
Do not fool yourself with the Unbiased opinion Myth......smarter people only know how hide their Bias and support it with Facts more than the less Intelligent....but in the End...ALL is biased. :)
the copy+past thing....true they are biased to sony in some way.....but i usually notify when i repost an article....so stop complainin.
well....GameX alwayz responds in the sameway the Other 360fanboyz does.....[Common sense,Devise]....well...hes a little Different....but sinse he responds to me with them....I added him to the Pack...and he fails to recognize Sony,s positive Efforts....but then i cant Blaim Him...wer all Biased....
F*ck......i had Him in the Corner...where did that Unregister come from....oh well.....lose a day....Win ten Another....
Perhaps now you can see where I was coming from here when responding to yet another "PS3 is better than 360" post from Broken_Hero;
http://ps3.qj.net/GT-Versus-Gears-of-War-versus-Resistance-Fall-of-Man/pg/49/aid/77212#comments
Anyway, my respect for you has risen with your post here, because you are wrong when you said you're a Sony fanboy at heart. You are not a Sony fanboy, you are a Sony fan. Big difference. :)
For Calling you a Fan-boy :)
its not [What you Said]...it [The Way yo said it]
Sorry......but it is Fanboyish......they may use special technology to Enhance the Visuals.....i am not sure and cannot confirm it.
But Honestly.....why are you mad GameX....You do realize that getting mad over things like these...is Pure FanBoyism...
Oh well.....i Guess you Cabt Help it
As you change the scale of a game you change the development time.
Look at all the good games and crappy games on the market. The games that takes years to develop are stunning in graphics, gameplay and replay value. While the games that still have the same development times as the old generation still have yet to show consoles true power.
There are plenty of Xbox360 games not worth playing. Same can be said about the PS3 but its still picking up speed. Some of you think Sony would have several dozen games out at launch but thats never the case with any console.
FEB 07 will be a prime time for PS3.
...A Good post MGSROCK
this is why i believe i have to say this...
There is no such thing as Been Unbias.......the Human brain is bound to biased...this has been proved in psycology....and includes all of us....to a various Extent
Wether its football...a Religion....or even Shoes brand....human are bound to be bias...and it can easily be Observed......people breaking seats and killing each other when their Team loses....and what is Football..??? a Ball....rolling on the Ground.
I do realize i post some fanboyish posts.....but when i see people Do the same [Common sense,Devise]....the feeling of [Guilt].....Gradually fades
this is how its alwayz happen......one is fanboy...the other responds....within time....they both become the same....Brainless fanboyz.
i bought a PSone.....and my first Game was FFVII.....i was 13...and it was my first Venture into 3D and japanese Rpg....those were one of my best Days....and the Box infront of Me....was a Sony Box
later.....loved Shadow of the Collosus....and the Box was also a Sony Box...when i bought my PS2 i knew clearly that the xboxone was twice as powerfull and easier to develop.....but it were this type of orginal games that kept me with Sony..
i am afraid.......that the Industry may Focus on Mass-appealing games like Madden and Halo at the Cost of orginal,unique Experiences like shadow of the collosus.....In the End....there are Far more people who Bought Madden than ICO.....and people like me may be Ignored....since we are less in Number.
Should this Happen......and the industry consists on Games like Football,shoote rs and racing games or childish aproaches like Mario.. where would people like me Go.....people who Favour Story and Drama.....than Pure Fun.
I have Obsereved Mycrosoft.....and it Seems to focus on the Mass-appealing Games....like Halo and Gears....this may give MS sucsess.....but it will surely leave people like me out of the circle..
well....I am Pure gamer in My Heart.....i played the Original Metal Gear on the MSX when i was 7....so i am Hardly a Newcomer....and [I Will Alwayz Follow The Original Software]...Be it Sony or Microsoft
well...perhaps i,ve been too honest....i should End this...in my Usual Way :)
I hate the 360
Firstly, going off topic to start with, I provided the link you requested here;
http://ps3.qj.net/index.php?+pg+49+aid+77212+page+1#commentstart
Anyway, back on topic, you said I fail to recognise Sony's positive points, but that's not true, because in other threads I have discussed them. If someone says Blu-ray offers benefits to developers, then fine, but if they're going to say Blu-ray means uncompressed textures, higher resolutions and better graphics, then I'm going to disagree. In the same way, if someone says the 360's GPU has a few features which offers advantages over RSX, then fine we can discuss them, but if they're going to say the 360 is more powerful than the PS3, then again I'm going to challenge them and I may even come over as a Sony fanboy as a result.
I'm also always aware of whether I'm on the PS3 board, 360 board or both, and modify my responce accordingly. Hence I'll defend the 360 on the PS3 boards and defend the PS3 on the 360 boards, but I will never join in with the flag waving unquestioning support for one console that some gamers express here.
So like I said, if I read BS, then I'm going to respond, and you do spew out a lot of BS at times. :)
That link didn't upload properly.
Go to the last page of the following instead;
http://ps3.qj.net/GT-Versus-Gears-of-War-versus-Resistance-Fall-of-Man/pg/49/aid/77212#comments
Why do you act like this is something the XBOX 360 cannot do? Even the PS2 version had realistic graphics.
This is someone who has posted under the name GamerX (perhaps misreading my alias).
I post under the name GameX. :)
... someone has posted here as GamerX. This is someone else Broken_Hero, I'm GameX (perhaps I should register afterall ;)).
It's funny how you make a big deal about nothing. This really isn't that impressive. I know you need to act like it is, but that's because you're used to the PS3's sh*tty launch games. People like me who are used to playing the 360 aren't impressed in the least. Gears of War has the best graphics, period.
Wow a free "game" that is only time trial races.
I believe the graphics are of actual gameplay but I'm still not impressed. I have an XBOX 360. Enough said. Get a life losers or wait until the PS3 actually has something worth bragging about.
...this is exactly the kind of post I NEVER make BH. It's not my style. :)
You should quit copying + pasting your BS opinionated comparisons. This is the GT4 game demo and not some $ony licensed fake forum. You're nothing but a typical canadian dumbf*ck. Your lies are no match for common sense.
REAL PRICE COMPARISONS
to just play games:
XBOX 360 core $300
memory card $40
game $30-$60
$370-$400 complete!
PS3 $500-$600
sh*tty launch game $60
$560-$660 ouch! $160-$290 more!
to play games and HD movies:
XBOX 360 premium with game $400
HD-DVD add on $200 (actually not needed because HD movies can be downloaded)
component cable included free
universal remote included free
headset included free
$400-$600 complete package with 2 drives not one.
PS3 $500-$600
sh*tty launch game $60
HDMI cable $50
universal bluetooth remote $30?
headset $20
$660-$760.
Proof the XBOX 360 is much more flexible and a better value. Where did you ever come up with your BS?
XBOX live is much much better than sony's thrown together online service. You're paying for quality. It's like comparing Netzero (when it was free) to AOL or something. Also XBOX live is $4.17 a month if you pay full price (usually available cheaper.) It is not $250 up front you lying scandalous motherf*cker.
Your lies are no match for common sense. REAL PRICE COMPARISONS to just play games: XBOX 360 core $300 memory card $40 game $30-$60 $370-$400 complete! PS3 $500-$600 sh*tty launch game $60 $560-$660 ouch! $160-$290 more! to play games and HD movies: XBOX 360 premium with game $400 HD-DVD add on $200 (actually not needed because HD movies can be downloaded) component cable included free universal remote included free headset included free $400-$600 complete package with 2 drives not one. PS3 $500-$600 sh*tty launch game $60 HDMI cable $50 universal bluetooth remote $30? headset $20 $660-$760. Proof the XBOX 360 is much more flexible and a better value. Where did you ever come up with your BS? XBOX live is much much better than sony\'s thrown together online service. You\'re paying for quality. It\'s like comparing Netzero (when it was free) to AOL or something. Also XBOX live is $4.17 a month if you pay full price (usually available cheaper.) It is not $250 up front you lying scandalous motherf*cker.
What an impressive demo of nothing but a half assed version of a game from the PS2. You could put Forza motorsport (XBOX version) in a 360 and get the same quality graphics with a complete game, nevermind actual 360 racing games. Need for Speed Carbon looks much better on the 360 (this was proven by gamespot.) I know the 360 will whoop ass because you moronic fanboys make a big deal about graphics we were used to a year ago!
It's hard to tell because they are blurry low res images, not because the graphics are that good.
Like you said, it sucks we get stuck with 1 innovative idea thats being repeated (usually turns out crap) over and over to the death. I was more excited about Okami then I was for God war, Metal Gear Solid (okay, maybe not MGS), and all the other popular franchises out there, because its something unique and fun, which is something you don't get a lot of today.
But, whether its Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo, they're both starting to understand you can't always crank out the same old formulas, and new original titles is the key for gaining attentions and fans. Although, again like you said, the few who love original titles are sometimes forgotten, there's still a lot of developers out there who have amazing and fun ideas they want to share, and hopefully the "Big 3" will pick them up.
I have high hopes for the Next-generation and I hope all the companies bring out their best cards.
Thanks, I do what I can. :) When I said I was a Sony fanboy at heart, I really meant it because Sony was where I started gaming and I have a lot of memories from their games.
I changed after while and I'm now more opened minded and hopefully I can be one of the few voices at this site (Broken_Hero, me, ABC, Vietone, and others) who actually think before they talk and are unbiased in their comments.
...Your a Good Guy GameX
it not your Fault....its the "FanBoy" inside me....just waiting for a Chance to Bash Someone..
well....i guess that Proves What i Said....one cant Help But Be Biased.
I should Practice More Yoga..... :/
Yes, it can output 1080i, I did it with GT4 too.
register your nick I'd say.
it rocks so hard the visuals are blurry...
it's easy to tell which is real and which is not, the ps3 screens aren't as clear as the photos, specifically around the headlight lens.
>>"it not your Fault....its the "FanBoy" inside me....just waiting for a Chance to Bash Someone.."
:)
>>"I should Practice More Yoga..... :/ "
Or some Tai Chi
No doubt we'll be "crossing swords" again soon, but at least I'm sure it will be in a good spirit :)
It only took the 360 a year to get a good game. Sony has 10 months to go, if it were on M$'s pace.
By the way the best launch game for 3360 was call of duty. A new version came out for ps3 but nobody cares because resistance is that much better.
GameX I am aware that this is a demo of GT4 in HD. I can also see that with the overall development time Polyphony has and the hardware they are working with GT5 will look better than Forza 2. Even now there is F1 Championship Edition that is in development which,from the pictures and videos i've seen, looks better than Forza 2 as of now. The detail in racing games like F1 or Forza is something I don't think Polyphony will overlook to make GT5 stand out from the rest of other racing titles.
Forza is nothing compared to Gran Turismo so don't get your hopes up.
...when I noticed a responce. :)
>"I can also see that with the overall development time Polyphony has and the hardware they are working with GT5 will look better than Forza 2."
Well, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but there's a big difference between saying you think GT5 will look better than Forza 2 and saying the 360 couldn't handle GT5.
For me, Forza was better than GT4, because it had many elements that GT fans had been wanting for years but never got, such as damage modelling, online racing and better AI instead of the 'rubber-band' AI seen in the GT series where the cars follow each other and have no awareness of you in the race (stop on the racing line and they'll happily collide into you as if you wasn't there!).
Polyphony are superbly talented, and artistically do seem to be able to capture a more realistic look overall for their games, however, they have been creating the same kind of game for years now, and so this is not surprising. But the LOOK of the game is only part of the experience.
So it would be interesting to see how Forza 2 and GT5 compares to each other, especially if competition from Forza finally forces Polyphony to include damage modelling and better AI (online is already confirmed I believe).
We'll just have to wait and see, but I think it's a little too early to make assumptions about which will look better, which will be technically better, or what can or can not be done on either console.
I've just seen the latest F1 videos over at www.playsyde.com, and the game is more like an arcade racer than a sim. Really disappointing. The rain looks great, and I think that's what got people raving about it in the first place, but other than that, it looks quite ordinary (the envionment graphics are nothing special).
I was hoping for an F1 sim, like the old great Grand Prix games on the PC, but instead it has a simple driving model and controls more like an arcade racer from what I'm seeing in those videos. So like I said, I'm disappointed.
Therefore F1 isn't a REAL sim like Forza2 and GT5, it's just not the same kind of game.
The 360 couldn't handle GT5. Gears of War is the pinical of the 360s graphics power and I don't think DVD9s can hold all of GT5 when it is finished. Now the only question is... what do you think??
>"Your Right GameX, The 360 couldn't handle GT5."
I didn't say that, I said the 360 COULD handle GT5, and would do so easily if in the hands of Polyphony.
>"Gears of War is the pinical of the 360s graphics power and I don't think DVD9s can hold all of GT5 when it is finished. Now the only question is... what do you think??"
I think you're wrong with every comment there.
Gears of War is far from the best the 360 has to offer, and the developers themselves have said so (Cliff Bleszinski that is).
As for DVD9. That's an old arguement and irrelevent, since it has already been established that DVD9 is more than sufficient for next-gen games (hence so many exclusives going to 360). It's the same arguement gamers used about GTA4, until it was announced for BOTH 360 and PS3 with downloadable episodic content (i.e, not including EVERYTHING game on disk but providing additional content which gamers will pay for and store on their HDDs!).
Also, given what Polyphony had planned for GT-HD originally (micro-transactions for cars and tracks), I doubt they are going to create all the cars and tracks for the game and then include them ALL on the Blu-ray disk. I could see them provding a core game with a large selection of cars and some tracks, but gamers will need to pay for more cars and tracks, which will be downloaded and stored on the HDD. Perhaps the same in Forza 2.
I don't agree with everything you said but this is where I agree...
''I could see them provding a core game with a large selection of cars and some tracks, but gamers will need to pay for more cars and tracks, which will be downloaded and stored on the HDD."
You may be right there. New cars are always being released so they would very likely be downloadable.
However, like I said I don't agree with everything you said especially dealing with the disk space of a DVD9. I seriously doubt GT5 could be ported to the 360 without taking away some aspects of the game so it can fit on a DVD9. They would have to rely on more than one disc.
"They would have to rely on more than one disc."
So you know the solution already! I really don't get this idea that everything MUST be squeezed onto only one disk! Multiple disks is a viable solution in most games if necessary.
So if (hypertheticall y speaking) Polyphony required the use of multiple disks to get GT5 onto the 360, then Polyphony would choose that option. I also mentioned downloadable content because that further reduces the need for optical disk space in favour of HDD space. Hence DVD9 is not a hindrance to next-gen games. The drive is faster in the 360 than the Blu-ray drive in the PS3, so all you lose is capacity, which can be compensated for with compression and multiple disks.
"Hence DVD9 is not a hindrance to next-gen games".
Your comment has a flaw. It may not be a hindrance to me or you but it will certaintly be a hindrance to the developers. They shouldn't have to worry about disk space when creating a game and cutting things out so it can fit. In my opinion, if Microsoft put HD-DVD drives in the 360 and use that as their storage medium it would better futureproof their console. This could come back to haunt Microsoft when a developing game can't fit on a DVD9. Sony may have put a Blu-Ray drive in the PS3 which brought it to its $500 and $600 prices but they futureproofed it so there will be no development problems.
"Why do you act like this is something the XBOX 360 cannot do? Even the PS2 version had realistic graphics."
Ok. Maybe the 360 can do something like this but the truth is... it doesnt. However, the 360s ability to play a game like this is not the question. The question is why the hell do you keep hanging around here and pissing every body off by being such a moron.This is ***** in your pants quality graphics and you know it. If you hate the PS3 so much then dont visit the forum. There is after all 360.qj.net. I am really sick of you. Go sit in your tower.