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CES 09 - Microsoft answers back to Sony's "peddling" comment |
Listed in: PS3, Xbox 360 Tags: Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony
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After calling Nintendo and Microsoft "add-on peddlers" (in an official press release no less), Sony definitely had this coming. Microsoft issues a reply, emphasizing that the Xbox 360 is in a much better place than the PlayStation 3, subtly enumerating reasons how that came to be.
"First, I would say we absolutely would not want to trade places with Sony," said Aaron Greenerg, group product manager for Xbox 360. "We feel like being half the price of the PS3 served us quite well this holiday."
"At the end of the day, consumers vote with their dollar," he added. "I don't think people take comparison grids into retail stores," citing Sony's comparison chart of the three consoles's features.
It's been like this for a long time. Naturally, each console would play their strengths up.
PS3 vs. Xbox 360, it's been going on and on. Debating here we come. Why can't we just agree to disagree on this one? Why go through the extra trouble trying to persuade and debate when nothing is resolved? Either side is just as convicted as the other that his is the better console, and neither side is willing to back down anyway. Why bother? Too much effort, really. My two cents.
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I think most of the American market feel the same way about the systems, I don't think Sony will ever pull themselves up in America.
As for Lethal_NFS comment, the Wii isn't a powerful system yet it outsells both. It does so because of the whole active group gameplay style which casuals really love, and the general gamer base these days are just casuals so that's a no brainer as well.
The PS3 and 360 are fighting for the hardcore player base, but again I feel the 360 will never be dethroned in the America simply because its primarily designed for the American gamers.
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Sony needs to lower the price if they want to be competitive again, twice the price of Xbox is too much now
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Furthermore, in order to achieve similar features that I have on my ps3, on the 360 I would have to spend roughly the equivalent of what the ps3 would cost to begin with. So to me, with the PS3 you drop all your money down at once, the 360 just drains it from your wallet over time. While you've already paid off the Ps3, you're still paying off your 360 to achieve a similar feature set.
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The 360's trigger + bumpers also feel much better to me, same as the the sticks they feel more responsive. And I can't stand R2 and L2 on the PS3 controller, they just feel cheap to me
Even PS staples like MGS feel better on a 360 controller to me, as soon as I plugged my 360 pad into my PC to play MGS2 my first thought was "this is so much better".
Maybe it's preference, but
unaligned thumbsticks >>> aligned thumbsticks.
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They were the ones that made a list like this in 2002 or 2003. When they were desperate.
They were the ones who had the superior, more expensive system.
They were the ones whose 3rd party games suffered from PS2 ports rather than devs taking advantage of the system properly.
They were the ones who made a less defective system then the PS2.
Then they got smart, followed and improved upon Sony's strategy.
They came out first with a good system in this generation. Easy to develop on. Multi-functioning.
They kept improving their excelent online service and had the good sense to skip Blu-Ray and HD-DVD as their gaming format. Chose to back digital downloads as the future of media.
Now Sony is desperate.
Now they make the lists.
Now all Sony fan boys know what XBOX gamers had to go through.
Now XBOX fan boys know how great it is to have the system even Wii gamers want to play... how great it used to be for Sony-philes.
-V
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Not saying the 360 is bad, but I'm just more used to to a PS controller and I'm sure a lot of the gamers out there are in the same boat as me.
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Why don't you guys just disable comments for news like this...?
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they shouldn't have said that.
i know the 360 people always go to the media and mouths off, Aaron and Shane has been the most guilty of this ever since Moore left.
Sony shouldn't have lowered themselves to this "no class" status that is often shown by xbox execs.
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why is the PS3 a *****ty product?
you call it a "*****ty product" you better have a reason for it.
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anybody???
and that's the reason why nobody would take anything you say seriously.
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I've learned to ignore their comments.
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Cool points + 10
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funny how when people can't stand by what they said they just do a quick turnaround...
and for the record, in the industry when talk of *****ty product comes up it usually means one thing....
RROD
now go and backpedal a bit more ok...
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that's the link for this page... what comes after "http" it's read as "PS3.QJ.NET"...
there is no "sony fanboy" here "spamming the 360 blogs"... but simply posting on an article on a PS3 blog.
Your Stupidity + 10 Mr. Cool Guy
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Wow he basically said that the consumers are idiots, they go for the lowest price tag and take it. They (fortunately) don't take comparison grids...lol if they did Xbox would be screwed over.
Hey, ignoring this fanboy *****, lets have a discussion. What does Xbox have that PS3 doesn't? Xbox fans, whatever you do you've got to admit the Ps3 library is just as good as Xbox library. The main good games of '08 were multiplatform, and each as its own set of exclusives. I prefer PS3 for its variety.
And also, there is no difference between XBL and PSN. It all has to do with your own connection.
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If you have more money, go buy PS3. If you don't, a 360 or a Wii will do just fine.
I miss the days where gamers only known as "gamers", not "fanboys" who loved to brag and debate about whatis and whatnot.
Should you all know, those console companies had only one motive in their mind: Profit Margin.
You can say consumer's satisfaction but it's only because it generates money.
BTW, before judging me; I'm also a gamer. I own a Nintendo, Sega, Super Nintendo, Sega Saturn, PSX, PS2, PSP and I'm planning to buy both 360 and PS3 for the sake of the exclusives.
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I think that people should stop deciding which console is better by how much they are or what they can do but rather what games are out for them. After all, that's what we use them for.
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The PS3 is no way anything the Xbox1 was. Even with is high price the ps3 is selling as good as the 360.
In 2 Years they selled 20 Mio units. Much more the 360 had. If u consider that the 360 had 1 year headstart.
PS3 is gaining momentum and by end of 2009 every 360 gamer will have a ps3. believe me.
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i dont see where microsoft execs have been any worse than sony execs in the past. you're right to be upset with the peddling comment, but please lets not act like this is new territory for sony.
both see the other as the main competitor, and therefore each take pot shots at the other, which means there will be times when one of them goes a bit too far (although not everyone will agree of course).
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the best console that i have owned though were all sega, yet when theywere around, there was none of this fanboy crap, so where has it steemed from? i can only assume its because of the youth today.
i'm 31 years old, when it came to buying my console, i looked through all the reviews, and yeah the 360 did have loads of games, but to hell with being consoleless if the
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to hell with being consoleless if the 360 is gonna break down at some point, till microsoft sends another one out, and don't get me started with the disc scratching, coz that is 100% unacceptable. if i had a hifi that did
that, it would be back to the store and they would be told where to shove it!!
I would rather pay for something that has taken a year longer to get out properly, its like buying a car. would you buy a lada, or a ford?
and thats the question everyone should ask when buying anything, not just consoles!!
end of rant!
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Really smart move.
The reality is, the Xbox 360 has a far superior game line-up and online service, and the PS3 is a better SYSTEM, but terrible games and is really only useful for playing Blu-rays.
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@viphid - we can all take history and make it fit in with today's world, but this is usually achieved by leaving out the things that don't fit (the lead format ps2 was the most difficult to program, unlike the 360 this gen. ports from ps2 to xbox still resulted in better xbox versions for multiformat games, unlike 360 to ps3 this gen. and i could name more). Also, HD-DVD was for movies only on the 360, not games. So let's look at history for what it is....the past.
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Xbox 360 has several good exclusives in the works.
Alan Wake
Halo Wars
Star Ocean 4
Halo 3 ODST
Forza 3
Mass Effect 2
Dont forget that Gears of War 3 is in the works
Bioshock 2 will also be a timed exclusive on the 360
Thats just off the top of my head.
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if i want some of my pictures printed, i just print em via the canon printer i have connected to my ps3.
if i wanna watch movies, i buy videos in FullHD 1080p or i go to youtube and i watch random stuff.
if i wannna play games, i play games like Warhawk, resistance, motorstorm 1 and 2, uncharted, pain, and alot of ps2 games + some multiplat games like burnout paradise.
if i wanna listen to music, yea... well, first of all i need music... because my music folder is kind of empty, lol.
if i want to use Linux, i simply boot linux, cuz i alredy installed it. from there, i do stuff like homeworks in open office, and so on. because of the keyboard and mouse support, i simply use it as a normal computer.
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He wasn't trolling at all. He was telling what he thought of both systems. Tell your 360 fanboys they same "if u dont like 360 the f@#k off" thing, but replace 360 with PS3. You'll be doing the world a huge favor.
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If you would rather play your Xbox, go do it. We don't give a sh*t, really.
Better game selection? Maybe, in your opinion, but better gameplay? Nah. There may be a few more bugs in PS3 versions of multiplatform games, but most "bugs" are fabricated by 360 fanboys, it seems. I've never encountered much bugs while playing games on my PS3.
Updating the firmware improves the system. If you don't like more features for free, don't have a fast Internet connection, and can't wait just 20-40 minutes, you don't need a PS3.
The ability to even have Linux on a PS3 is great. If it doesn't run fast, go use it on your computer.
Yeah, it's a multimedia machine. It's a great one, at that. If you don't want other media on your PS3, use your other consoles.
I might be disconnected from the PSN once in a while, but never while playing a game. It's a great online service.
So if you prefer your 360, no big deal. Not at all. Seriously, we don't give a sh*t about anyone's preference, okay? Well, other than the fanboys.
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Think before you type.
Wait...
Just don't type at all.
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@93pauott
if i want to use Linux, i simply boot linux, cuz i alredy installed it. from there, i do stuff like homeworks in open office, and so on. because of the keyboard and mouse support, i simply use it as a normal computer.
That's fine and all, but you should really try running Linux on a pc, the ps3 doesn't allow you to really do anything. My 5 year old 600m notebook runs Linux at much greater speeds. Not to mention, what does that have to do with gaming? Sony puts restrictions on your Linux experience, and you praise them for it. I would absolutely love a restriction free experience with Ubuntu 8.10 intrepid ibex, that would be fantastic.
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MS had the best christmas with Xbox 360 sales this year. Sony had the worst christmas with sales of the PS3 this year. This is when you look at sales worldwide, not just Japan.
So how can you possibly say that the PS3 is only getting better? Do you say that because the 360 kicked the PS3's ass so bad this year in sales that they can't get any worse? I wouldn't even bet on that.
I guess when you are broke, you can't get any more broke, but you certainly can end up owing more and more money. Just ask Sony. Not even their games division is making money any more.
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Anyway, to the point. Which games HAVE you played? There are tons of great games on PS3, it just seems like you haven't even looked at them.
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Assassins Creed
Ratchet + Clank: ToD
Little Big Planet
Resistance
DBZ Burst Limit
Metal Gear Solid 4
Haze
MotorStorm
Ridge Racer 7
There are a few off the top of my head....I welcome some recommendations .....I would love to find a great PS3 game to play....maybe that would make me appreciate the hardware a little more
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you see he sees me as attached to my console but all i did in the entire article was block all the nonsense of xbox morons...
like saying:
"pls explain makes the ps3 ****ty?"
asking people if they think driver's idiotic rumblings made sense..
telling him as well that this is not just an xbox blog...
did you see me say anything about the PS3, of how good it is and such??? come on check.
i'm just challenging xbox fans to make logic of what they say before they type it (in which they can't, bunch of kids)... apparently that makes me attached to my console and you know why??? cause BIH is attached to his that's why he takes offense to the smallest slight.
the guy's a fanboy... a stupid one at that.
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http://ps3.qj.net/More-emulation-MAME-on-PlayStation-3/pg/49/aid/73460
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YOU FAIL.
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Go to any site where they play games competitively and just about everyone there will tell you the 360 controller beats the PS controller. The level of precision you can have with the 360 sticks is just not possible on the loose, symmetrical PS sticks.
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Microsoft wanted to enter the gaming industry, made the bigger and better machine. Trailed in 3rd place.
History repeated. Point goes to Microsoft for learning from it's mistakes and taking advantage of the situation. Ohhhhhhh snap!!!
-V
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quick note: go farther down for my rant
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Now back to the idiot that said the 360 is for hardcore gamers, as far as i seen the 360 is for first person shooter fiends, i haven't seen anything interesting on the 360. or at least anything that has topped the exclusives i'm already provided with my ps3. i'm a pretty damn hardcore gamer, i can get into online games like crazy, trust me, saying the ps3 isnt for hardcore gamers is just stupid, and if i'm not gaming, i'm using my ps3 for the internet, for music when i sleep, its a multimedia system that does everything it does greatly, and like someone said earlier, theres no difference between xbl and psn, its about YOUR connection.
and to whoever had the nerve to say the ps3's controller isnt as good as the 360's... wtf, unaligned sticks look pretty stupid to me, and to all the people that can't wait til tekken 6 finally comes out on the 360 as well, have fun trying to do a 10 hit combo, i love how the dualshock feels, and always will.
i dont give two sh*** about linux, thank you
for the xbots that complain about features the ps3 doesnt have.
Achievements: trophies are better, point blank
In Game Music: ps3 titles are starting to support in game playlists and i have a feeling eventually every game will.
xbox "experience": psh... like i want a mii ripoff when i have home (most detailed avatar customization ever)
The Interface: i love my xmb, i consider it better than whatever the xbox interface is called.
like i said i dont know much about the 360 to bash it, but i'm not gonna let you bash my ps3 which i believe is most likely the superior system.
thank you for reading - chris
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No one is comparing the dashboards here, who cares about a damn avatar, really? I know when I bought my gaming consoles I thought to myself,"What kind of detail level will my digital myself have?"
Playstation home has been in development for like 3 years and it's still in Beta, and will be for a long time still. Maybe when PS7 comes out we can enjoy living in our fake digital apartments and doing the running man while standing on a table at the mall.
The PS3 does have amazing potential, I do not deny that, but why haven't we seen it yet? I'm sorry, but Home is not all that it was cracked up to be and if people can't see that it's just another way for sony to make money then they are blind.
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you bought and paid for the ps3 and lbp which accounts for almost double the price of an entry xbox 360 yet you dont spend time with it. total waste of money.
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even if ps4 comes out ill gladly use a similar controller design.
the xbox 360 controller has only 1 advantage over the playstation controllers, native support for windows PC games (MS forced this advantage). control and feel wise, millions of playstation users are comfotable with the playstation controller design.
heck even psp users are wishing psp incorporates the dual shock design. lol
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the video of the 12 yo girl trying to explain the game is so ridiculous.
now im convinced that MS just rips every other peoples ideas/techs and sells them as their own.
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latest thing their trying to copy is Little Big Planet!
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In fact, I'd go as far as saying that if I put you in a room playing the same shooter or racing game on both consoles, switching between the two, and you told me the PS pad is better for either game, I'd think something is wrong with you
Sony can't (or won't) use similar sticks on its controller ever because they would never hear the end of it from MS and its fanboys. I have a PS3 and actually enjoy it a lot more than I thought I would, but games like Warhawk, Resistance, and Motorstorm would be infinitely better with the 360 controller
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The vast majority of the mass market are freaking stupid....
More people eat at Mcdonalds than they do at healthy vegetarian restaraunts, or even half healthy fast food places like subway......does that mean Mcdonalds is better for you then subway or a veggetarian diet ? No, it's cheaper and is a quick route to satisfaction....that's all the masses care about.
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Obviously excluding multi-plat games, the games must have achieved a score of an average of 8 among reviewers, and there must be some variety, I don't care if they have 20 great games if every one of them is a shooter.
Just wondering, because I've failed to find all these great exclusive games everyone is clamoring about.
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^^ i actually got to this article from the psp site, but as you can seeits neither a ps3 or 360 link.
that being said i own none of the nextgen consoles. theyre all bat***** stupidly priced. now this isnt to say i have no experience playing them. i have friends with more money than sense.
now on to the defining points of this "debate"...
the 360 DOES have a much larger library which makes it the more appealing console to the average gamer. BUT IMHO it offers little variety. i have to agree with the person who said its for fps junkies.
the ps3 IS the superior hardware. end.
capabilities: ok a) ps3 = bluray content (again i agree with whoever said this..) and bluray = 25gb while what is it MS uses in the 360 hddvd? dvd-dl? 9gb? doesnt make for a very immerwsive gaming experience. b) hard drive.. ps included 360 is $100-$150 more for one. c)wireless internet again... $100 add-on for 360, so by the time you get the 360 to the price of the ps3 it still does less and you have more cords and clutter.
controllers. yeah everyone loves the ps styled controller. thats why i see them sold everywhere for PCs. how often do you see an xbox styled controller for sale? oh wait theyre already pc compatible... but how much do they cost? my wireless dualshock style pc controller cost $20 at wal-mart. that style of controller prevails on the consumer market. FACT. imo i never liked the xbox styled controllers original ones were fat and bulky and i hated the way it felt in my hands. i hate the location of the analog sticks too. flame and cry all you want but thats MY OPINION and i have every right to it.
so if you all want to cry about whats what... in the end sony makes the superior console, microsoft has the superior library. theyre both best. but in different areas. and by the time you add wi-fi and a hard drive (necessary for DLC) your 360 is the same stupid price as a ps3 but with more junky wires to try and hide.
ill stick to rocking my psp. heaven for the gamer with a life who cant sit at home all day every day. easily repairable, easily modded (for free no less) and has a huge dev community. the ONLY console that compares to the psp was the sega dreamcast.
so all the whining is FAIL. accept facts that there are just things the 360 is better for and things the ps3 is better for. but do please try and read this gamers prediction. the ps3 will last longer than the 360 because of innate ability for DLC, firmware updates, and a wider variety of things to do.
and the wii is just lame. underpowered, lame library, and crap for graphics. ive played better looking games on my smartphone. js. whoever compared them to JAVA/Flash games was dead on the money.
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read that article where they discuss how MICROSOFT ADMITTED THAT THE RROD IS DUE TO A DESIGN FLAW. not, because of people taking poor care of them.
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-V
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Have you ever played one of the two types of games I mentioned on a 360? Racing and shooter games are where the 360 pad really comes thru. If Halo 3 were on the PS3, and you played it against somebody on 360, you'd get dominated every match.
I'd bet the same for a racing game. The 360's triggers are incredibly sensitive, and respond to even the slightest touch. L2 and R2 on PS3 don't even compare
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And one more thing: Once you get a PS3, the only way to lose it is by selling it, thanks to the rock solid hardware and software. Have fun RRoD'in xbots lol...
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more skilled than me?? stupid reply period, like i said the dualshock is jus overall better, has nothing to do with skill, and as for the "i own all 3 systems" big *****, this isnt about the wii, i can care less for it, still a great system though, but when i see a game that really sparks my interest in the wii i'll get it.
no one is comparing the dashboard on this topic but its a subject i've seen plenty of times in flame wars so nobody asked you.
and yes stingblah, the only way is by selling it, which only retards and drug fiends do
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Stupid fanboy
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