Sorry I meant quad layer. Since a single blu ray is 25gb and a single hd dvd is 15gb.

You would have to be around the Beta & VHS days to understand what happened there. VHS became the standard becuase the porn industry backed that up as well. It wasn't afactor of which format was better, it was the simple fact that it the both the cheaper alternative to Beta, & it put more money back into the pockets of the Porn Studios & the Directors. Something that HD-DVD does both in. HD-DVD is both Much lesser in value, easier to work with, & a much smaller investment in the long run in turn, saving Porn Studios/Directors & there staff alot more money in the long run. Converting to Blu Ray is a huge investment & only a few studios will want to take that risk. Mostly ones with alot of headroom to accept a lost in profit the first few years.



Also, the PC side of things plays a damn huge role. Blu Ray automatically loses if they are unable to gain suppoer through the PC Market. It's a simple logic, when it comes to a Window OS, just how many retailers ship there systems with it? Um, damn near all of em. So, if MS took a wise approach to someone like, eh lets say, Dell, Gateway, Compaq, etc & said to them "Here, Slap in this HD-DVD Drive into your system & Sell it", you think they'll deny an offer like that, no lol. This is also Microsoft were talking about here, the 5000+ patent organization that is damn well able to throw there weight around as they see fit. If they were to set it up as Windows Vista not supporting Blu Ray, a ton of sales are lost right off the bat. No, Apple based machines & ones that runs Linux OS's won't save em. Don't kid yourself. The Windows OS is in more homes where is the main factor of drive sales. Apples makes it sales more based on buisnesses that benefit from there machines. Graphic Designers, 3D Animators, etc. Then theres Linux OS lmao, I use a Distro myself but I can tell you thats not gonna decide a damn thing in this war XD. You must not forget that DVDForum backs the HD-DVD Format. If you don't know what that is, you should go check it out. May makeyou think you twice seeing how much support HD-DVD truly does have from alot of smaller studios & organizations. Even Sony is in on it =).



Sony has alot of studios backing it up, but Im I already know HD-DVD will get them in the long run. You can laugh at anyone all you want, coming from a Tech that has been in the field as long as I have, I've seen plenty of Sony's offerings. All Superior to the competition, all break through ideas, all failures. Blu Ray will become another beacon of how the "To much to soon" strategy doesn't not work in todays economy.Good luck with your Blu Ray Player. Or, the Bottlenecking PS3 console. The poor mans Blu Ray solution =).

Blu-Ray is clearly the winner! It's got more space, more space=more porn... and the porn addicts rejoice, lol.

Make way for HVD(Holographic Versatile Disc)!!!

These babies can hold on a single layer 200+GB

This will be the true champion in the format wars!!!

you are completely correct.

the problem with the disc isint the features. its the way its produced and manufactured.



a cut on the surface of the Blu-Ray disc will cause the cone to be offcenter and cause EVEN MORE BRE's than the PS2 had. HD-DvD went for on the other hand, a format a little more durable and even though its smaller, its still large enough for everything that would be Put on Blu-Ray.



its just a 20gb difference. the ONLY product that would actually take advantage of that 20gb extra storage is Season DvD's of TV shows. Movies, Games, Storage can all be done on HD-DvD perfectly with the same quality as BVD and at a cheeper cost.



BVD may have 20gb more space, but thats its ONLY advantage.

Few Facts:



*First of there will be no such thing as a 1x (36Mbps) Blu-Ray drive because BDRom movies require 54mbs 2x = 72Mbps. All players in the market are 2x and above and support 1080P. Toshiba’s first players are only 1x that and they don’t support 1080P due to this same reason (now you know why they’re so cheap). HDDVD will not, I repeat will NOT, be faster.



* HD-DVD drives cost more than DVD drives and their disk also cost more, however they are cheaper than Blu-Ray simply because the Blu-ray technology needs even more advance equipment/technology to create disk and manufacture drives. Of course this will all even out in the following years and price will make very little difference. Just look at DVD vs CD prices, same deal.



* HDDVD’s Theoretical limit is only 60Gbs and they weren’t design to be multilayer so you won’t see much in that department anytime soon for now is 15gs =) single layer. Of course you have already heard that TDK is going to be shipping 200gbs disks soon.



* HD-DVD is only mildly better than a DVD and it will hit it’s limits very soon. This is one of the reasons why most Movie companies are not supporting it. Why even make the move from DVDs.



* Most early adopters are extremely knowledge about technology. They know all about Blu-Ray and HDDVD. Most will pick blue ray for its superiority and after the PS3 comes out and most users will buy Blu-Ray movies because that’s what they can play without having to pay for another player (they might buy the HDDVD version but then return it when they find out it doesn’t play on their PS3s).



* If few movies (it has less support) come out for it what makes you think people would get an HDDVD movie instead of a BRD movie? HD will have no effect because every movie/player will have in big letters HDTV!



* BD disk are very durable. The polymer coating it uses, called Durabis, was developed by TDK and is extremely resilient and fingerprint resistant. More durable than HDDVD? That’s right.



* They have the same security. Do you research before making wrong claims!



* Toshiba’s first drive was horribly rated. Blue ray drives (lots more drives out there than hddvd drives) are getting rave reviews



So people please do your homework and stop bashing our new wining format. It’s quite sad when people make up stuff just to make it seem like HDDVD has an advantage. Besides price which will balance out in the near future it really only has disadvantages. And oh year if a drive doesn’t come included in the system it might as well no come at all (360 with HDDVD Add-on no point really just a waste of marketing).

Sorry

The big difference nowadays between the format wars are the price. Both systems right now are quite expensive and the early adopters will be the people who are well off and people who have money when the walk into a shop they will buy the best product because they can afford it and because its the best. Today quality is more important to people so the vhs vs betamax war cant really be compared to the upcoming format war.