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Blu-ray PS3's Best Weapon Against Xbox 360? |
Listed in: PS3, Xbox 360 Tags: playstation 3 updates, Sony
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With it's high-definition movie-watching capability, they said console
is expected to capture the interest of not a few consumers. The
analysts are banking on this theory with the observation that PS2 did
very well during it's time because it became an avenue for users to
enjoy watching movies from its built in DVD player - a format that
during those days wasn't as common. The blu-ray technology is currently
on the verge of replacing DVD, just like the way the latter booted the
VHS out of the picture; the pattern doesn't end there because Sony's
latest console is also on the brink of providing the same innovative
perk its most recent predecessor (PS2) gave during its days. A move
that's more of a marketing strategy than a coincidence Wedbush Morgan
Securities claims.It seems a bold prediction since consoles are bought mainly for the gaming experience it provides (unless you're the type that's mainly interested on simply displayiing this stuff); thus it seems more sensible to use features that enhances the gaming experience as the barometer for its success. But taking into consideration that more and more consumers are looking for gadgets, equipments, and tools that can multi-task, it doesn't seem to be too farfetched.
"We
expect the dominant console at the end of the next cycle to be the Sony
PlayStation 3 (PS3), primarily due to our assessment that Sony will win
the high definition DVD format war," the report explains. Still it won't necessarily kick Xbox 360's butt because according to them, they "expect
MicrosoftÂ’s Xbox 360 to enjoy a first mover advantage for the next two
years, capturing approximately 42 percent of US and European combined
next generation hardware unit sales through 2007."Clearly, Microsoft is taking this aspect of console features seriously as they are also about to to release an HD DVD add-on for the Xbox 360 later this year. It seems pretty absurd to predict that a gaming console will win over its counterpart not because it's proven to be a better gaming machine, but because it offers more uses. That's like saying ice cream is better than cake as dessert because it has a cone right? Anyway, let's just wait and see.
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that's correct, and that's pretty much what Sony's PSP marketing plan has seemed to be so far (and i'm an early adopter PSP owner, not fanboying here).
dvd features totally aside, the PS2 occupied a good niche (more powerful, more popular games than dreamcast... released earlier, better games than xbox). PS3's best hope is again going to be the games, because it doesnt look like it's going to be significantly more powerful than the 360 at this point. Microsoft has got a real chance to own this generation if they play their (gamer)cards right.
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either way im generally a sony fan but i'd like to sit back and watch the fight this gen between the box and the sox (ps3)... it could easily go either way.
and then ive got my wii. i love to play with my wii. :|
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It is a good thing that Sony has decided to include the Blu-Ray player, it is pushing Next-Gen.
Microsoft on the other hand would have had a HD-DVD player built in if it wasn't so eager to launch in order to get ahead of Sony.
But we're all forgetting the true purpose of a console here. To play games. I don't want to hear about how much media functions this console can have, it's about the games.
Sony seems to be advertising their console by saying their utilizing Blu-Ray technology and Cell technology for their console. This is not what gamers want to hear. We gamers want to hear some big titles, and all Sony is doing is keeping on *****ing about Blu-Ray and CBE (Cell Broadband Engine)
I mean when the 360 launched, it advertised games, not the technology they used... Actual games...
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I should read my posts before submitting
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I guess thats why they [Sony] aren't concerned at all..
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And sony doesnt need to advertise yet! its still got 6 months to do that!!! at the minute they are just concentrating on making sure production is going alright which started this month. im sure they will be doing everything else you want to use against them soon!
You all need to look at all the facts before you start moaning.
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Listen to mogungo, i shall guide you to peace and true enlightenment, plus i am god, so shut your a-hole heads.
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I like the way everyone is comparing Sony's propriatary formats to open multiple company standards. Hmm, if this sony machine uses this but everyone else uses something else OF COURSE that else will sell more. Are Nintendo's Catridges consider a Failure? They havent sold one movie on them, I guess by your standards I will declare it a failure and everything else that doesn't. Such an idiotic point of view. I like the fact that my UMD allows me to do extra stuff. I am not looking for my UMD's to replace DVDs or vice versa (Imagine carrying DVDs for your PSP ekk). Why would I? They have smaller capacity and only play on my PSP. However it's beautiful to have that option. If anything its a tremendous success compared do any propriatery format.
Blu-Ray disk are NOT sony only. they have a lot more backing then HD-DVD, plus the space capacity is amazing. 50 Gigs to start then in can go up to 200 gigs or more (See TDK's recent accomplishment) using multiple layers (yes the BDSpec supports multi-layer disc unlike HD-DVD). HD-DVD has a max of 30 gigs and doesnt really offer anything more than a regular DVD.
So yes I again see sony on top this time around .The medium will allow for more and more content. Games will be bigger and better. Games are not second to movies (but again the option is there), just look at all their demos they showed more footage and have more announcements than both 360 (before it came out)and Wii. Also they are finally getting a unified network and getting better FPSs which is the only reason 360 even exists today.
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2: a few people in this thread think that because its built into the console its cheep and free... well its not, if sony doesnt make the format the standard, PS gamers will be paying out the Bunghole for the manufacturing cost of each disc. not to mention that its raising the cost of the PS3 by about $200
3: its all about games, i personally only enjoyed about 3 PS2 games, where as there was about 12 xbox games i enjoyed, thus im getting a 360 rather than a PS3.
4: and finally the big point: a Format with more space, doesnt mean bigger games with more content. content costs money, and somone has to be paid. games with massive amounts of content (take GTA:SA for instance, it could fit 3 times on a DvD9) can still fit on a DvD9.
THEN we have the next, nextgen upcoming trend. Procedural Generation. which takes up Kilobytes of space, and gives you massive content. look at spore that uses Procedural Animation and models, both of wich fit into 2kb of data along with thieir skins and textures and behaviors.
HELL there is going to be an Xbox Live Arcade Game that has the NEXT GEN UNREAL ENGINE in it, and will be LESS THAN 50MB IN SIZE EVEN WITH CONTENT because the game will use Procedural Generation for everything.
the only things that Procedural Generation CANT reduce the size of now is: Audio/Music (largest files in a Procedural Generated movie/game) and CGI/Prerendered (just takes up more space, thats why Procedural Generated animation are done on the fly)
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1: Most of Sony's loyal third party companies got early dev kits early 2005 (some even earlier). Sony's SDK however isnt ready and wont be until summer this year and that's because they keep adding libraries to it (like Havok) and tweaking it. You can definitely create a game with early dev kits, that's how most launch titles are created in the past and will continue to do so.
2: Blu-Ray wont be free when included in the console but the fact is that it will sell the system and make the BD-Ray standard the winner makes taking a hit on it much more reasonable then having as an add-on that not many people will buy. Its all about Return on investment. Sony will take higher risks because the rewards are incredible. If blu-ray wins, it will be an amazing win for them in terms of profit.
3: It is all about games for the Hard core gamers. Its about Games and a bit of Media for those looking for both in a cheaper package. Its about the HD movies for those looking to take advantage of the price advantage. If you haven't noticed sony is getting all of these markets right.
4: If what you say was true we would still be using floppies and cartrigages. The fact is whenever there is a format shift people will always come out and say "are u crazy we will never use up that much space" but in reality we soon find ways to fill it up and then another format comes along that is bigger and better someone again comes out with that same argument when will that someone learn.
And now I leave you with this:
Ever since the PS every game generation has supported a new Format and Sony have always been the pioneers while others follow. Right now there is no real need for the format but then again we didnt need DVD at the start of the its era however nowadays you would be nuts to come out with a platform that uses CDs. With Blu-Ray disk offering more than 200gigs with multilayers, I say welcome to our new wining format.
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P.S( the ps3 will cost around 400 to 500 for competiton. even of it is 500, you will all still buy it, it has better games. )
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Having an argument like "no one is supporting that now" or "most games wont fill that space now". Well you know what they will in a year or two. I for one want to enjoy my movies at 1080p (I am buying an HDTV for the next gen) and if the first games come out at 720p then ok, if they come out at 1080i then fantastic. How about all those wonderful FMVs in 1080p how marvelous!
One thing to note is that MS are the ones saying that above 720p is impractical right now and of course they would that's as high as they can go. Why would you believe them? Is like asking if having linux is a good solution for enterprise servers or for the Desktop. Your pretty much asking them is your competitor better than you. No one in their right mind would say yes.
About that negative Cell comment. Both processor architectures are complex (they're based on the same arquitecture actually). Developers who say one is more defficult to program over the other is because the tools on top of them are difficult to use. MS has the advantage that it is a software company and develops good and effective programming tools (they ship their complete .net suite with the 360 XNA SDK). The .Net platform is considered by many very straight forward and fast to develop with. Nevertheles, with all this ease of use comes lack of power. Speed is also reduced. Its a trade off that usually goes towards ease of use. In games however, the more power you can squeeze out of the processors the better. Why do you think games are still done in C++. Now with OpenGL and other known gaming libraries being taken into account for the PS3, I am sure Developers wont have to hard a time as they did with the PS2 (Many Devs think MS DirectX is better but OpenGL is getting there).
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Having an argument like "no one is supporting that now" or "most games wont fill that space now". Well you know what they will in a year or two. I for one want to enjoy my movies at 1080p (I am buying an HDTV for the next gen) and if the first games come out at 720p then ok, if they come out at 1080i then fantastic. How about all those wonderful FMVs in 1080p how marvelous!
One thing to note is that MS are the ones saying that above 720p is impractical right now and of course they would that's as high as they can go. Why would you believe them? Is like asking if having linux is a good solution for enterprise servers or for the Desktop. Your pretty much asking them is your competitor better than you. No one in their right mind would say yes.
About that negative Cell comment. Both processor architectures are complex (they're based on the same architecture actually). Developers who say one is more difficult to program over the other is because the tools on top of them are difficult to use. MS has the advantage that it is a software company and develops good and effective programming tools (they ship their complete .net suite with the 360 XNA SDK). The .Net platform is considered by many very straight forward and fast to develop with. Nevertheless, with all this ease of use comes lack of power. Speed is also reduced. Its a trade off that usually goes towards ease of use. In games however, the more power you can squeeze out of the processors the better. Why do you think games are still done in C++. Now with OpenGL and other known gaming libraries being taken into account for the PS3, I am sure Developers wont have to hard a time as they did with the PS2 (Many Devs think MS DirectX is better but OpenGL is getting there).
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Granted, four or five years from now when the general public is able to afford HD TV's and there is actually a gain to be seen from buying a BR player, then maybe...but then xbox 720 will be out and they can decide what to put it in at that time....up untill then DVDs will still be available.
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the people who watch movies and will buy the pplayers will be!
and i'm sorry but just like betamax, it was better but it lost.. blue ray will fail too, becuase the general public reads at a 6th grade level and don't undertsand anything unless it is shown to them.. they shop at wal-mart and if it is cheap they'll get it.. i may want blu ray to win, but hd dvd will becuase it will be cheaper and consumers don't care and don't research anything before they buy!!!
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As for the PS3:
Its actually 7 SPUs with one core CPU. The GPU for the PS3 is more powerful than the 360's. Developers say the 360's has an advantage on the GPU because it fully supports directX 10. As I pointed out before Directx has more features than OpenGL frameworks.
Actually Betamax ressembles the HDDVD format with the lack of support. Blue ray is very well supported. Is not just Sony is almost every major japanese electronics company (Panasonic, TDK, Samsung - korean but hey it's huge). Please do you research. Is all about the support. Also Betamax didn't have something like the PS3 to back it up. Combined that with huge support and 4 times more storage and you have yourself a winner.
Xbox addon will make almost no difference in the gaming world however if you want to enjoy semi HD quality movies on your xbox go ahead but beware that not many movies will come out for it and once dead your stuck with an extra decaration around your 360.
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Also dont consider a sony formats a failure because it isnt adopted by others and its only used for that sony product. Sony makes a product that uses a certain format which they dont give to anyone else. Hmm Nintendo has been doing this for years! Is their media a failure?
I love open standards as much as the next guy but if a company decides to have a preprietery format for their hardware then heck if its a good product and the format fits it nicely its a success in my book.
Saying that, I will again repeat Blu-Ray is not only from Sony!!! how many times do I have to say it. Sony just has the most power to push it with the PS3. If you think Panasonic and Samsung aren't pushing it with their new stuff then your dead wrong.
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I couldn't find any actual HD-DVD titles out yet, but many reports that they will be out anytime...so with readly available cheap players blu-ray is really going to have to get a move on if they don't want to fall behind....unless sony can sell ps3 REALLY cheap then I don't think it will be much of a factor...although I suppose $500-600 is better then $1000....it's still doesn't beat $199.
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Please don’t make stuff up people let’s keep conversations intelligent. Remember gamers are smarter than average people. Don’t be average!
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