Bill Gates, the PS3 never having a GFX advantage, and Steve Jobs |
No, we don't find it shocking when execs trash talk products made by the competition. For instance, take Bill Gates and his statements made to a small group of reporters after his speech at the CES about the PS3. Mercury News has an report on it and it claims that Bill said that Sony has no advantage in graphics at all. Here's the paragraph in the report:
He said that Sony had no advantage in graphics at all. He said Sony started earlier but "burned a year" trying to make the Cell processor do graphics functions. When it didn't work, Sony went to a fallback plan by tapping Nvidia for the graphics chip at the last minute. It also didn't have embedded DRAM or unified memory. The Xbox 360 game developers would always be a year ahead of Sony on the learning curve in taking advantage of the system. As a result, Gates said that Sony would never have games that look better than Microsoft. He said that either system, limited to 512 megabytes of memory, would not likely exploit HD resolutions beyond 720p. If you go to 1080p, he said, you will have to give up something.
Nothing shocking there. Bill Gates is doing what he's supposed to do. He's selling the 360. It's his baby. It's his job. That, and he's comparing the 360 to the competition: The PS3. Nothing here that makes you raise eyebrows.
When execs go out of their way though to trash talk products they aren't directly competing with, we do get a bit confused (well, some of us were). Comparing something that is essentially a multi-functional phone to a multi-functional gaming device? Definite eyebrow raiser. This is why we find it funny that in the same A-E report, Gates manages to find a way to trash talk Jobs. Here's how it went:
...And of course Microsoft announced in December that movie downloading is an option on the Xbox 360.
He said the Xbox 360 would be a high-end set-top and wouldn't really compete with Cisco or Motorola set-top boxes. And he noted that Apple doesn't necessarily have the best relationships with companies such as phone service providers as Microsoft does. So its iTV service may not be as expansive as anything Microsoft does with its partners.
"Jobs always says he doesn't like to go through someone else's orifice," he said.
Via Mercury News
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It's a shame Sony and Apple know how to make hardware... and more importantly Apple know how to make professional Grade Software...
GG Bill, Ur leaving M$ at the right time - With Apple slowly grabbing the PC and Sony taking over the world of electronics... what's left for M$?
The PS3 is superior ... Everyone knows that - it'll take a year or so for it to look better than the 360... but it will get there... These are scare tactics..
I own a 360 and it's absolutely supurb! ... Fantastic Machine but dissing Sony's King of the world franchise isn't smart at all ... The Playstation will Always be the king of the console wars... t's user base is too large to fail.
And well ... Sure M$ has connections ... but in this battle ... HD-DVD ... and watever else.. sony and Apple will win ... Blu-ray 90% success rate with over 80% more support.
Who's won in the hardware department.. ? Sony, hands down...
Now ima stop typing and gonna go finish Lost Planet... Brilliant game!
THE FULL POTENTIAL OF THE CHIP HASNT BEEN TAPPED INTO YET ITS HIDDEN lololz nah seriously xbox is gonna lose because blu-ray will become the new format
"Everyone Knows??"
What do you base your assumption on? What evidence is there that the PS3 is better graphically? Please provide it. Sony have said it produces better graphics, but they tell more lies then truths, why do you still believe it? Where is the evidence? The facts are that the CPU + GPU are 2005 hardware even though it was released in 2006. Thanks to Blu-Ray for the delays. Developers are a year behind and they all agree that the PS3 is harder to develop for, this isn't going to help bridge the gap year gap in HD gaming development.
As for your comments about Bill, MS, Apple, PC, Sony, and the world of electronics, they are all just a big joke. You have no idea.
for f#ck sake guys just quit. nooone is paying you to market these products. whoever will win will win, either way youll all end up owning both within a couple years regardless. sony wont dominate. theyre both gonna sell a whole bunch of units and make a whole bunch of money, none of which you will ever see. get over it.
d@mn i thought this would stop after the launches but f#ck man. it's getting real, real old. microsoft is an evil corporation and sony is doing everything they can to f#ck themselves out of their position of industry domination. thats all ive read on here for the last 6 months. jesus tapdancing christ just get the hell over it. it's a videogame console for christ's sake.
ill admit ive jumped into the ring a couple of times, but d@mn guys, it's time to move on. just talk about games. were here for games. games are all that matter. games. games. games. games. games. period.
imagine how stupid someone would sound if they defended their vacuum cleaner the way you all defend your consoles. get over it.
to bill gate liar and mgs for ps3 looks better then anything coming out for the 360 nuff said
look good but no better than gears of wars
and with mgs4 costing 30 to 40 mill you will see it on the 360
with in 12 mths of the ps3
Do you mean this game looks better than Gears?
http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/714/714044/imgs_1.html
MGS4 looks like it's using about 3 colors.where is the color?.
Everything you said couldn't be more wrong. Making poor assumptions based on blog posts and articles on little sites like this does not make you an expert, stop talking like you know something because you really don't know sh*t...
Don't think you have read the latest news then ?
Porn Industry ends format wars chooses HD-DVD
http://ps3.qj.net/index.php?+pg+49+aid+79019+act+success
you all really need to grow up... get girlfriends... and shut the f#ck up so the REAL gamers who are here to talk about GAMES can do so without this petty bickering bull***** filling up the comments.
I dont really Like the Way Cecil hiswords,Its Kind Of Fanboyish..
I do Believe that Sony,as a Hardware Professional For years....Provided a [Complete System],And that Doesnt Mean its Graphically Better,But Means it is the Most [complete] Next Gen System..
I think Sony Needs to Focus On Helping 3rd Party Developers with Its New Hardware,Making Revolutionary Technology Like CELL is a good Path for the Industry,But it Needs to Support the Developers,to Help Them Acheive Higher Performance....Otherwise,the PS3 in real-World Performance may Be Blow the 360 Unless Sony Provide the Tools..
I think Sony Is Listening,They are Arrogant....But this is a Multi-Billion Dollar Industry and the Fastest Growing,they Cannot Afford to Lose it.
It is Understandable....MS is a Proffesional Application Company,this Type Of Software Help is their Department Just Like Sony Excels in Hardware....While Sony Game Softaware Devision is Ahead of MS,with Excellent Variable Games Like GT,Shadow of the Colossus[a Sony Masterpiece] and Other Excellent Games,It is Behind MS in the Developers Helping Tools.
This is the Benefit Of Competion....Sony Will be Forced to Help Developers to Compete With Microsoft,MS will Have to Stop Ripping-Off its Consumers with Over-Priced Components [The Hdd 20GB is 100$] the 64Mb Memmory card is 30$
I hope...In the End that the Consumer Would be the Winner from all of this...Hopefully
Hideo said that metal gear would run on a 360 you lemon
lyster:
No he didn't! Anything else is rumors and lies spread on the net.
i agree
I hate Microsoft but i think is right for the graphic capabilities of the PS3
Xbots really love MGS! They won't admit it cause it's only playstation. Lol it's so obvious cause of the they are always saying that MGS4 will come out on 360! Not a chance. That stupid rumour was demolished by an official statement Kojima that it is a ps3 exclusive! Xbots really want to belive they will be able to play it lol! If you want to play so bad (which you all do) then sorry but you will have to make the painful decision of getting a PS3 lol!!
A few companies say they support HD DVD because Blu-ray is expensive but the other major companies still havnt said anything about supporting HD DVD when they said they would support Blu-ray long ago.
Yes tell yourself Microsoft and Bill Gates are evil. That will make what they say less credible. Of course there's the track record. Microsoft's criticism of competitors is more truthful than sony's. Like the time sony said MS was doing a "disservice" by not forcing people to buy a hard drive. I would say sony is evil because of all the lies and exaggerations they spread. Their fans either don't remember or don't care for some reason. If you really like sony and want a PS3, why don't you wait until it can actually do these amazing things sony is promising. When the lies fall through AGAIN, you can do yourself a favor and buy an XBOX 360. Unless you're just dying for a blu ray player, it really is the best option. Hype can only sell consoles for so long and if sony doesn't get in gear very soon they will lose even the most devout followers.
It seems easy for you to hate one of the richest people in the world even if he gives away massive amounts of money, but Microsoft isn't bad. I like knowing if they promise something, you really will see it happen like it was promised. Since the last XBOX they have really gotten game consoles right and sony had the attitude people will buy whatever they make based on brand recognition. Why punish Microsoft for doing a good job?
Remember when sony said games would have 120 fps and 1080p? They didn't mention that's with only like 20 polygons on the screen! Possible but not practical. Does sony know a difference when they make these announcements?
For one, the Xbox360 dont have a GFX thats any better then the RSX.
Sure it has a unified shader design but its a very low end design, making it not much better then a competing 7800 thats in the PS3.
In DX9 test, which almost all games will be for the Xbox360 and PS3, a 48 unified shader GPU will not perform any better then a 7800.
In DX10, same thing will happen, DX9 cards can output DX10 but unified shader makes it a little easier. Since the GPU in the Xbox360 is so low end, they will have a hard time getting 720p with DX10 games while making the game good. Its easy to do in a tech demo since you dont have to include alot of dynamic objects, everything is scripted in a tech demo which makes it run better.
The advantage of the PS3 is processing power and it will always have the advantage of being able to show several times more objects on screen at a single given time. Microsoft is playing down the PS3 very hard because they know in the end, the potential of the PS3 for games is significantly higher then the Xbox360.
While games like Halo3 are shaping up to be less impressive then GoW, they have to do something to play down the hype of the PS3, GoW used just about every bit of power of the Xbox360 and proof of that is the occasional frame drops.
While the GPU might be able to handle everything thats going on, the Tri-Core PPC processor isnt up to the task.
For one, that's an opinion and two, it's wrong. Really the screens and movies of MGS4 have about the same graphical quality as Gears of War. The graphics capabilities of the systems are about the same! Get over it! With PS3 you get blu ray movies, a half-assed computer, and a HDMI port for $200 more. In 1-2 years when actual good games come out for the PS3, you can expect them to be as good as the XBOX 360's best.
I do like the Metal Gear series but I'm in no hurry for a new one I just got MGS 3 substinence for PS2. It will come to the 360 I give it 6 months. Kojima saying it's PS3 exclusive is a way to get MS to offer more money to bring it to the 360. Saying a game is exclusive doesn't mean s*it anymore. Really it doesn't.
ur always right vietone
sony doesnt go to other companys and starts flaming them becuase they know what product is on top PS3 cpu is better than Xbox do they brag no
besides xbox never appealed to me the games are wack GoW SUX halo never liked so in my case get the system with the beswt games
must be true. the only frame drops i have ever seen in gears was when there was about 30 guys on the screen at once with machine guns going constantly and grenades not to mention extremely complex lighting effects.
while several times in MGS there were framerate issues and that doesnt even include AI or anything because supposedly it was an in game cutscene
MGS honestly looks like it comes from a ps2 with those textures. there is no depth or hd-ness to them at all.
The ps3's gpu is crippled because of bandwidth limitations and low memory. the 360 has nearly 6 times the bandwidth as the ps3.
The cell isnt designed for gaming in the first place. Just because universities all over the world think its great does not mean it is good for gaming. the main reason is that the extremely low cache that it has.
Game programmers do not want to spread their code over eight processors, especially when seven of the processors are poorly suited for general purpose programming. Evenly distributing game code across eight processors is extremely difficult.
so theoretically the ps3 CPU is the one with more potential, only if (this is a big only if) the developers want to spend extra millions of dollars optimizing their code for 8 different processers, when instead they could just
go to the 360 and have a multiformat game in a quarter of development time.
the PS3's GPU isnt as nearly as effecient at carrying out. the ps3 can do 4 ALU operations, the 360 can do 48... and has a much better rendering method.
If MGS4 is the same as GOW right now.. I would say thats sad. Since developers are just getting used to the PS3 and GOW had been in development for how long? PS3 games are going to be a step ahead of 360 games graphically when developers get the full knowledge of the PS3.
so whatever whatever do u no ??? PS3 has low bandwith i call xbox 360 low bandwith the systems CPU and GPU have to share a 512MB ram that runs at 700MHz lets see 512 running at 700MHZ isnt all that new technology u wanna no wats new
PS3 a 256 ram that runs at 3.2Ghz for CPU and another 256 ram that runs at 700mhz just fr GPU as see Xbox bandwidth is the wrst thing ever and its using old ram technology when ps3 is spending a hefty amount of money on XDR technology so just stfu and go do ur math ur just and Xbot who coms up with some fake asss comments that only apeal to unintelligent people such as ur self this is QJ.net not retarded .net OK????
Tell me, whats the real trasfer rate of the Xbox360?
Whats listed is the theoretical rate that has been tested in a controlled environment. Therefore in real life, it all depend on alot of factors, the type of data, the speed of all the components in the system, the interfaces that connect the component together, and the quality of the components themselves.
There is no real benchmarks for the Xbox360 so no one really knows if it even goes as fast as MS says it does. So that totally in itself throws those numbers out the window.
Now lets talk memory. the RAM in the PS3 is running alot faster then the Xbox360. More RAm isnt always better. A faster transfer rate can eaily make up for not having enough RAM. With the RAM in the PS3 running at 3.2GHz, its refresh rate is highly capable of compensating for its lack of more ram.
Lets talk about PC games. Th unreal engine was designed on 256MB PC graphics cards. They recently upgraded to 512 for PCs to make it better, but is there a significantly huge difference? No there isnt.
Ill tell you why GoW is fully capable of running on the PS3 the way it is on the 360. It all comes down to the GPU. Nvidia GPUs are stunningly faster in OpenGL games then ATi card. There is just no comparison. Take equal Nvidia and ATi cards and run an OpenGL game and the difference in speed and quality are dramatic.
ATi cards were never any good with OpenGL games in the first place, this is probably why GoW had to be completely optimized for the Xbox360. Sure in its "current" state, it wouldn't run on the PS3, but UT2K7 in its "current" state wont run on the Xbox360.
You want to end this right now, then heres a FACT.
UT2K7 developers said that they were amazed that what they ran on a PC ran identical on the PS3 since the dev stations used had 7 Series GPUs and the PS3 had a 7 Series design as well.
Developers are already using the power of the Cell, Sony is making sure to combine the efforts of all companies who are working with the Cell so they wont be spending millions of dollars individually.
You want to see the power of the Cell in action then look at LAIR. Its a perfect game to show the power of the Cell since they coded the game to utilize the power of all the individual SPEs to dynamically control the game instead of using programed actions that just about all Xbox360 games uses.
Not many games on the Xbox360 have much replay value offline. What MS failed to understand on the original Xbox is that they are alienating the majority of the gaming market who dont play console games online.
Xbox360 is shaping up to be identical to the Xbox, a great online gaming console, but a poor offline gaming console. This is why the PS3 will win unless Microsoft decides to provide games that people enjoy playing more then once offline.
Final Fantasy is proof that single player games on consoles still over-power games like GoW. FF games have, and probably always will be on the top of game boards as long ast hey are made.
FFX held the top spot on Gamefaqs for a long time, occasionally dropping from #1 but getting it back soon after a game hype died down. FFXII will be holding the top spot for a long time as well, its doubtful that any PS3 game or Xbox360 will ever take the crown.
if the 360 isnt using alot of cpu, it can use 400 mb for the gpu, while the ps3's striclty limited to 256mb.
and lets talk about that bandwidth shall we...
the 360 has 278 GB/s system bandwidth while the ps3 has 48 GB/s... that is a huge difference. so dont go crackin the 360's bandwidth when you dont even know wtf your talking about.
Why are people still spewing out such rediculously incorrect data about both systems? This list of comments is just pages of wrong info, bad numbers and bias opinions. If you want to learn something, follow this link and start reading. Otherwise, stop pretending that you understand the technology.
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1
You people sound like you are arguing over your favorite football team, quoting statistics and everything, but in the end, you are only looking at which one is your personal favorite.
"Since developers are just getting used to the PS3 and GOW had been in development for how long?"
Developers are just getting used to both consoles (the devkits have been out for almost the same time on each, except MS didn't have issues like Blu-ray to delay their console).
As for your comment about MGS4, it doesn't really work out the way you suggest. Gears of War looked fantastic when it was first shown at E3 2005. Four months later, MGS4 looked fantastic when the first realtime trailer was shown at TGS 2005. So the game engines for both games were quite advanced already in 2005, and so the time before the games are release is mostly for creating game CONTENT, not developing the game engine (except for optimisations).
Look back at MGS2 also. It looked fantastic the first time a realtime trailer was shown at E3 2000, but it took 18 months before the game was ready for release, with graphics which looked the same as it did when it was first shown, so again, most of that time was to create the game content.
"PS3 games are going to be a step ahead of 360 games graphically when developers get the full knowledge of the PS3."
Both the 360 and PS3 are similar in power, so as developers learn to push each console further, they are both still going to look and perform to a simlar level. :)
Everyone knows that THe Xbox 360 is the better console.
-CHeaper
- Way Better Games
-Same if not better graphics
-Online 10000x better
Just a question I thought I'd ask because you always have a lot to say but never any evidence to back it up.
It's true the GPUs are similar in power, but developers who are creating games on both consoles seem to think the XBox's GPU has the edge over RSX, and I would trust their opinion more than some gamer on a forum.
"The advantage of the PS3 is processing power and it will always have the advantage of being able to show several times more objects on screen at a single given time."
That's not true. There are many factors which will effect how many objects you can have on screen at once. These factors include available memory, bandwidth, general purpose computing power (which is better in the 360) and floating-point computing power (which is better in the PS3). So the overall result would be a combination between ALL these factors, not just float-point calculations alone.
Therefore depending on the game, there will be times when the 360 can handle more objects on screen at a time than the PS3, and other times when the PS3 shows more than the 360. Therefore overall, they'll probably be about the same.
"the potential of the PS3 for games is significantly higher then the Xbox360."
The potential for games is about the same for both consoles.
"GoW used just about every bit of power of the Xbox360 and proof of that is the occasional frame drops"
That is so dumb. Currently, most multi-format games on the 360 and PS3 are running smoother on the 360, with framerate issues on the PS3 version. So by your warped logic, that means these games are using just about every bit of power on the PS3 then.
So framerate issues tell you nothing about how far a console is being pushed. Just look at games from last gen, where sometimes the worse looking games still had framerate issues, despite the fact that they were not pushing the consoles as hard as the best performing games.
"While the GPU might be able to handle everything thats going on, the Tri-Core PPC processor isnt up to the task."
Why, because YOU say so? Cut the cr@p please.
The theoretically maximum game floating-point performance for Cell in the PS3 is about 1.5x that of the tri-core CPU in the 360, i.e. 50% more. So the CPU in the 360 is more than up to the task. Also, for general code, the 360's CPU is about 3 times faster than Cell (i.e. 200% more), so that helps balance out the performance between the two a little.
You use every trick in the book to make the 360 look worse than it is and the PS3 look better. It would make a change if just for once, you could try being fair and objective. :|
Go on, it wouldn't hurt. ;)
while you guys argue about which company has the larger member and which performs better. have to taken a second to think. what if there isnt ment to be a winner and a loser.
just like ati and nvidia pretend to go at it, developing products to compete against each other.not too long ago they went under investigation because they allegedly are fixing prices. ATI quickly responds and sets out a video card that molests the 8800gt. given that ATI makes graphics for xbox and NViDIa for ps3. can you see were im going with this?so the xbox has 3 amazing processors and the ps3 has the cell. the same company makes both processors. same company provides technology in a way that they cant be compared. with all this screaming and yelling. WHERE ARE THE BENCHMARKS FROM IBM THemselves. then they are the other components wich you cannot equally compare less ram but faster against more ram but slower.
one word "Zephyr"
(xbox 360 2)
let the rumours fly
ps3 hads way better graphics
mgs 4 is not going to 360 man get it to ur head .when u thing of mgs u thing fo sony
psp mgs portable ops 1+2 mga 1+2
ps1 mgs
ps2 mgs 2+3
ps3 mgs 4
360 no mgs because the last time they made a mgs for xbox it sold bad very bad
and kojima is going to end mgs on the ps3. by the time mgs4 comes out they will be about 7 million ps3
360 is not the better console or ps3 wii win here wii going to win the next gen war or ps3 .
wii ps3 360 or ps3 wii 360
so let say who in the hell going to buy other 360 for 500 or 600 man i will buy ps3
STFU, everyone, the PS3 is the best........END OF STORY!!
GTHD
So far even the newest Forza Screenshots fail to outdo GTHD.
Shows how different both systems are.
GTHD.....the smoke from the wheels look SOOOO fake! Forza will b WAY more fun then to try n rally over the same place over n over again.....animation on GTHD doesnt even run as fluid.....
PS3 games = blue-ray discs, massive games on 1 disc...
"I don't know about you, but I don't want games with 3 or more discs again (that was the ps1 era, now look on Blue Dragon)"
PS3 have been out in the US/Japan 1,5 month, and people are already complaining!? "It will pick up, watchout Xbox 360!"
Online play is free = A HUGE+
"Free GTHD stuff until GT5 comes out, what does Xbox360 have that is free?!"
Sony is more confident in releasing firmware updates, just look at psp, how many updates bricks the psp? None!
"The ring of life on Xbox360, does more likely be called the ring of death"
The PS3 will be better then Xbox360 in ALL ways, even better then Live! "At some point, it will!"
No good games for PS3? "To be 1,5 month old it has some good games (Xbox360 is what, 1 year, you just wait MSfanboys, you just wait.)"
Not many games for PS3 out? "Well just look at the PS1 & PS2 games; they are many, they are good, PS2 games is getting even better and better (FFXII + Rogue Galaxy anyone?), while PS1 is re-released for PSP & PS3. Just looking at the list of all PS1 & PS2 games tells you that the PS3 game list will be massive! RPG's you say? Well Playstation Consoles is THE RPG consoles of all the time, bah you only have Blue Dragon..."
Blue-ray failure? "No f*cking chance! I don't care about porn, but I know one thing, PS3 games will sell and so is the movies (at the right price)."
PS3 too expensive? "You get inbuilt wifi, a big hdd (wich you can remove and ad any pc hdd!), inbuilt Blue-ray player, able to use linux, able to use any pc mouse and keyboard, able to use any bluetooth headset, free online play. On Xbox360 you have to buy the hdd ms wants you to have, use their own xb360 stuff like mouse n keyboard, must buy wifi set for aprox 100$, HD-DVD? That will cost you an additional aprox 200$, want to play online you say? Well then you have to have the hdd first and pay us a monthly fee!"
That's my thoughts about PS3 vs Xbox360
Best Regards
/ZoRaX - Swedish PC, PS1, PS2, PSP and soon PS3 owner (The 5 golden P's) ;)
Seen it all before on the PS2, only prettier on the PS3.
GT-HD uses all the same old tricks as GT4 on the PS2. Of course, with the PS3, they can upgrade to 1080p, upgrade the car models and improve the physics, but it's still essentially the same old engine which works better in replays than gameplay. GT5 will be much more than this, but then, so will Forza 2.
The Playstation,in Its Entire Life-time from the PSone to the PS2 never Offered Superior Graphics than its Competitors,In fact...it was Alwayz Inferior and the PS2 was Extremly Hard to Develop For..
Its the Software that Decided Everything,The Great Variety that Suited Every Type of Gamer...From RPG,s to Original Games Made By Sony itself[Shadow of the Colussus],Sport s and Racing Games..
I Agree With Vietone that the Main Reason why Microsoft Is Losing is It,s Complete Focus on the Online Experience at the Expence of the Off-Line Experience...
The Other Problem is that This Trend Hasnt Changed...In fact,MS increased Its Focus On the Online-Gaming Without Offering any True Original Off-Line Software..
This is Very Eveident From Watching MS Exclusive Software [Halo3,BioShock,Gears of war,Mass Effect] All of these are Exclusives of the [Shooter Genre] with Very Little Variabilty Or Original Experience.
Although that the Increasing Cost of Game Development Made Sony Lose Many of it,s Exclusives...As 3rd party Companies need to sell As Much Titles On as Many Systems to Cover the Costs...The PS3 still Has the Edge in the Original and Off-Line Gaming Experience.
The 360 Simply Lacks Games Like Heavenly Sword with that Beutiful artistic Feel...Lacks Games Like [Lair] with that Incredible Legendry Intense Atmosphere..
It Has Absolutley No RPG that Can come Close to FFXIII and FFXIII Versus....It has No True Story-driven Game with Incredible Direction Like MGS4...
So what do you Want...???...Thats It...you Just want Online-Games with Weak Story,Originali ty and Off-Line Experience.
People refuse to Understand that XBL isnt Something New to the 360....It was with the XBOX one all Along...But it Never Stopped the PS2 from selling 110 Million Units..
The PS2 even Outselled the Entire Next-Gen systems with 1.4 Million Units...Check the Latest Figures.
So if XBL failed to Help the Xboxone when the PS2 Had a Very Weak Network that Some Didnt Even Heard of...Will it Help the 360 Now...That the PSN is Available and Lag-free.
Gamesoftware Is More than Simple Online Experience....Variabilty Is Needed,this Has Nothing to Do with Graphical Capabilties...As i Beleive the Difference Between Both Systems will Be Insignifact.
Its the Variailty and Original Games that Made the PSone and PS2...and while the PS3 lost some of its Exclusives Becuse of rising Development Costs...It still Has the Edge,and Sony Unlike MS Focuses On the Off-Line Experience.....Shadow of the Colussus For the PS2 is Major Proof.
We will Have to Wait and See....But Online-Gaming wont Be the Trump Card this Gen...It Didnt Help the Xboxone...It will Hardly Make a Difference now that Both Have a Network.
and thats all Talk ;)
Yep, the 360 can divide the memory between CPU and GPU as needed. With the vastly increased bandwith, faster disc drive, and 512mb shared memory, the 360 can do many things faster than the PS3.
"We will Have to Wait and See...."
Out of all that text, those are the only words you wrote which meant something and therefore was worth reading, the rest of it was opinionated waffle! ;)
This gen is not like last gen, or the gen before. Developers have a different view of Sony's console compared to the competition this time, and with games being more expensive to produce than before, they are far less willing to create exclusive games.
So yes, software is the main factor in a console's success, but there are numerous factors which effects which console gets which software, and therefore don't expect a repeat of last gen for the PS3, since even if it ends up being the market leader again, I doubt it will repeat the lead seen between the PS2 and the XBox.
The rules of the game are the same, but the starting positions have changed and so have the conditions. So to repeat your comment; "We will Have to Wait and See...." :)
yah the ps3 is the shnizzit be-cuz im sofa king we todd did
First off, I guess you're the type that's to lazy to have to change the disc after about 15 hours playing a multi disc game (1 out of 160 is so far.) Seriously does anybody really give a s*it that's not doing 360 bashing?
"It will pick up, watchout Xbox 360!" Ahh yes, the promises. Forget about all the broken ones from sony, just remember the current ones.
Some 360 systems were bricked because of modified DVD drive firmware for piracy. They offered to pay to fix any consoles affected so that's good customer support if anything! PSP updates blow. All they do most of the time is add more security for sony or features designed to get you to buy more sony products like a location free player or a PS3 to download PS1 games. I've never updated my PSP and it's actually worth much more. Check EBAY.
The PS3 will be better then Xbox360 in ALL ways, even better then Live! "At some point, it will!" That's not a fact, that's a prayer! Please sony! Please don't let me down again! Nothing more than a made up statment based on hope.
PS2 and PS1 are different systems. THEY DO NOT COUNT AS PS3 GAMES. A real PS2 even plays the games better! It was proven on this site.
There's about 6 PS1 games on the PS network. Hundreds and hundreds of PS1 games and they offer 6? Then you need a PS3 just to download them? I convert my own from the original discs because I don't want to deal with that nonsense.
Another price argument. No matter how many times I put it away it always comes up.
Here's some examples: Just play games package
PS3 $500
******y launch game $60
HDMI cable $40
total $600 ouch! just to play games!
XBOX 360 premium $400 including game
component cable included
remote included
headset included
networking cable included
that's it, $200 cheaper!
Everything package:
PS3 $600
******y launch game $60
HDMI cable $40
Headset $40
Remote control $25
$765
XBOX 360 $400 including game
HD-DVD drive $200 (actually not needed because HD movies can be downloaded.) DVD upconversion to HD too.
component cable included
remote included
headset included
networking cable included
Only $400-600.
Yes proved the 360 is cheaper again so STFU.
Also do they sell an XBOX 360 mouse or keyboard? NO, you can use any USB device.
If you had used XBOX live before, you would probably agree it's worth $4.17 a month. You can use many features for free. XBOX live is so good it just doesn't compare to the PS network, so the price can't be compared either. If you want the best online you buy an XBOX and pay a fee which isn't expensive.
You've never owned a XBOX so you're in no position to compare.
didn't playstation dominate even wtih multiple disks in some of their games, anyway it is easier to do hardware than software in other words it is easier for microsoft to do what sony does than for sony to do what microsoft does.
CES: Lair Impressions
Over at the Sony booth during CES this week (where we also saw a cool exclusive clip from Spider-Man 3 by the way), a build of the upcoming Factor 5 developed dragon action game Lair was running and we decided to check it out.
It has to be said up front; Lair is easily one of the best looking games we have ever seen. From the highly detailed character models of the dragon itself to the huge bridge level in the demo to the thousands of enemy soldiers to fry on the bridge to the photo realistic water, there is nothing to complain about in the visual department. Factor 5 is taking the PS3's hardware to town for Lair and that alone might make it worth a look.
Unfortunately, Sony decided to put in cords to the SIXAXIS PS3 controller for their CES demo unit. As a result, playing Lair was a lot more difficult than it should have been because our movement of the controller was restricted. You move the dragon via the SIXAXIS motion sensor features but with the restraint of the cord at CES there was really no way to properly pilot the dragon.
That doesn't mean we think Lair is going to be a bad game; it's just unfortunate that Sony felt the need to be a little paranoid at the prospect of their controller getting stolen. Lair still looks great and we think it might play great but we may not know the truth until the game is released later in March 3 2007
http://www.firingsquad.com/news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=13890
bill gates is a weasel that built his company on lies and deceit and hurting others.. ms sucks and i didnt capitalize it because they dont deserve the respect.. secondly.. get over it.. go to your zbox sites and talk about how great it is their.. and how great live is.. but for those of us who wish to buy ps3's (I have one and i am happy with it) and guess what i even love the fact it came with a BD-ROM so that i dont have to junk up my shelves with those power bricks and seperate attachments that can fall and break and collect dust and all.. im glad you enjoy your xyzbox go have fun with it instead of spending all of your precious time trying to make the ps3 look bad.. Its a great system you should try it sometime.. lol
http://kotaku.com/gaming/lair/hands-on-lair-for-ps3-227185.php
"So when given another chance at CES to try out the dragon-flying PS3 exclusive I jumped on it. Unfortunately, my latest impressions were underwhelming. From an artistic standpoint, the game looks fabulous. You are given huge areas within which to fly, with typically no HUD whatsoever obscuring the screen.
The game starts to lose its luster is in a number of places. The framerate is just not up to par. During the training missions and the initial fly through, it held up at an decent level. But during dragon-to-dragon battles and the scorching and clawing of thousands of troops while on foot, it sank to rates that I'd consider bordering on unplayable...."
too bad you have none! you forgot xbox live, and you compared it against the model that also includes wireless which is another $100 so they're both comparible. But what you fail to realize is that there IS a $500 PS3 and it has a 20 GB HDD which is fairly comparible to the 360 therefore you are using the wrong prices and just being a complete moron but as we've all see in the past couple of days that you really are!
after watching some HD footage from gametrailers.com the lag spikes were everywhere! The frame rate needs work, the collisions need MASSIVE ammounts of work and the troops need to do something instead of standing still like useless peasents untill your dragon gets near them but they should be fighting and advancing while you're in the air considering you also have troops you need to support. Also the land troops should act MUCH more human instead of like one entity. if you watch the gameplay they react in groups and all do the exact same reaction. But fix the collisions, AI, and framerate and i'd gladly pay $60 for this, but it those things arnt fixed count me out! ( I do have a ps3 60GB on launch day :P)
Obviously you have no idea about the history between the adult (porno) industry and competing formats. Let me take you back to the good old days of vhs vs. Sony's Betamax.
Sonys betamax standard was far superior to vhs, both video quality and audio were excellent whereas vsh was subpar in comparison. However being that vhs was far easier and cheaper to produce (sounds a lot like HD-DVD vs Blueray no?) the adult industry went with the vhs standard and as the saying goes " The rest is history."
So saying you don't give a damn which one the porn industry goes with is foolish, because even though Sony had the superior format they still lost the format war.
Just figured I would point that out, you guys can continue with the silly fan-boyish rants that prove nothing other than what system you will be purchasing or have purchased, I on the other hand will continue to enjoy whats its all about and thats the games, regardless of which system they come out on.
Forgive me Sonyfanboys I slept with Bill Gates. He made me play the Xbox 360. He sucked my D!ck.
*****, can't even open your mouth in a fanboy article without getting flamed and naped like you were in *****in vietnam!!
well, unfortunately, games is what makes some people hermit in their rooms and try to forget the ***** life they made for themselves outside of games.. i know first hand experience!!! lol but that's over now, thank god, i've seen the light. the light is: follow your own light. yep, any losers out there reading this, take note and.. think.
Ummm M$ owns 50% of Apple
.. Mr. Common Sense, why do you waste your precious time here correcting people? Do you simply hate them? Do you just hate when people have different opinions than you?
I'm curious Mr. Common Sense, because to me, it doesn't seem practical to devote time to this while common sense would be telling you to instead expand your mind with a book, or something of the sort. Or even watch TV or play video games to fulfill your entertainment needs.
Why bother?
eh, maybe you just need to change your name, so it suits you better...
Downloading Porn From the Internet Was Not Common in the Dayz of Betemax-VHS
Things are Different Now....You can DL any Porn Movie You Want from Dedicated Sites,As BroadBand Connections Have Vastly Increased..So,No its Not as Important as the Old Dayz of Betamax
Clearly as you can see Common Sense's statement lacks a look in the past beyond only a couple of years.
To deny the fact that the Microsoft Corporation is less evil than Sony just because Sony didn't come through with every single one of their promises at launch is the wrong way to look at things.
The way the Microsoft came to power in the first place is based on deciet and stolen ideas.
Hold It! The Xbox 360 would most definately be considered far from a complete console. Seeing as they needed to extend the warrenty to a year for everyone just because too many system were breaking is not a solid system. Also the fact that they are having to release an update version of the console, which could be easily call the Xbox 540 (aka 1.5) due to its lack of digital output and HDD space.
It's clear to see that is no way does Mr. Common Sense's testimony poke holes in Sony. The fact that they made a console, which is having no major problems and no crashing during firmware update along proves my point.
Take That!
Clearly you can put HD-games on a DVD.
Clearly you can put HD-games on a Blu-ray.
Clearly... what is a wii disk again?...sorry I can't remember...
(Well it's not a DVD...it can't play DVD's...or maybe it just doesn't have the codecs... never really looked into it...k now I'm just rambling...)
But which system could handle having more?
Simple question, easy answer, if you say xbox360 you need a good long talk with your pychiatrist.(Seriously....)
Where are the fact behind this? I don't have time to explain it to your retarded @$$^^, sorry. As for people who are going to be like,"well you're a lying f'er bc you dont have any proof": ... The wii has better graphics then them all, it just depends what you mean by better, but now that' I've left you in an opinionated state, please proclaim your stupidity by replying to my comment^^
"But which system could handle having more?
Simple question, easy answer, if you say xbox360 you need a good long talk with your pychiatrist.(Seriously....)"
And how do you define more? More on a disk? Then use multiple disks on the 360.
More game content? Not necessarily. It takes time and money to creat game content, it doesn't create itself. So there going to be a limit depending on a number of factors, not just avaialbe space on disk, otherwise EVERY game last gen should have filled there DVD disks.
Some act as if a 5000GB Blu-ray disk would result in 5000GB games. Well, it doesn't work that way.
"please proclaim your stupidity by replying to my comment^^"
Nice try, humourous, but you don't get out of it that easily. ;)
Hmm stealing my name again huh? How pathetic can the fanboys get? You can at least try to be funny.
Hey Fuc*** the PS3 Rocks and the PS3 will endup winner than the fuc***** 360!Bill will lose they're money! and as you'know PS3 has NVIDIA!
"No he didn't! Anything else is rumors and lies spread on the net."
LOL yes he did you moron, go research before you talk trash. He said it COULD run on 360, but his team wishes to focus on just ONE console, and draw from its strengths, the trying to doing multiplatform from the start.
PWND
A short equation proving xbox360 owns.
Halo3=Ownage
Resistance Fall of Man=Ok
Xbox360=Halo3
PS3=Resistance
Xbox360=ownage
PS3=Ok
As mentioned earlier all
As mentioned earlier the Xbox 360 and ps3 are both pretty good Systems it's the type of games that u want to play will determine which system is the better of thew 2. The PS3 still the young buck of the 360, Will offer more and better RPGS and Storylined games while the 360 will offer better online games and shooters.I Purchased the PS3 soley for its Rpg's and storylines and the 360 for Star-wars KOTR 3 and Fable. Now with there being spectulation that in the near future that u may be required to purchase DVD-HDD to play some of its games, something that i belive MS knew from the get Go "Our system is cheaper" in the long run wont make it cheaper yeah a good tactic by MS to sell u a cheaper system than the PS3 but if u have to buy that thing for 199.99 usd then ur going to spend even more money if u get Xbox live the same costs if u dont purchase xbox live, than the the PS3 20g 499.99 and 60 being 599.99 usd while the 360 cost will jump to 299.99system+199.99DVD HDD + 50 usd per year as well the higher end system. SO in the end who will win between these 2 systems...? Only time Can tell All you Fanactic Fanboy's! mahahahahahahah ah!!!!!!!
***** bill its plan and simple
he is a rich nerd, a puck
if i find him on the streets
ill take his cookies
peace