See?

the "i'm invincible in the beginning, but then a bad dude takes away all my weapons and armor, and i become weak, and i have to work to get my cool stuff back"

OR completely explain his master plan.

Somebody always gets lost or kidnapped, and you have to go find/rescue them. it could be a random person that just joined up with you, who the real player could careless about, but you never have the choice to just let them die... *sigh* lol



I wonder what zelda would've been like if Link would've just said f*ck it, I'm tired of this, I'm gonna go fish today instead!!

Where the hell did you come from, cliche?



All those games where you painstakingly murder everyone in your path, room after room. Not only are they all dead, but you even searched every corner of each room, to make sure that you didnt miss anything. Confident that there is nothing in the rooms behind you, you flip a switch.



Suddenly, there is a group of enemies charging at you from the room you just came from!

I hate it when your main character has a chance to kill the very enemy who will cause you nothing but misery and woe for the next 10 hours of the game, but instead they just sit there and read their whole life's story and let them escape. COME ON!

The game premise must be about a magical object given to the good people by some powerful being. Only the good people are too dumb to use the object's power for defence and some bad guy comes and steals it to take over the world.

This is no divine, all knowing, absolute truth list. We're all free to add what should have/n't been included.

Very nice description, because I can see all of our favorite baddies doing that...

triple yup

The female partner with gigantic bazongas.

alternative being a middle-aged man with a AK47 ?

There is always the health pack or ammo hidden under the stairs or behind the "indestructible crate". When will the villians ever learn to hide that stuff somewhere else?

It helps appeal more to the younger audience ;)

Wake up, Crono!

How about bullet time



so many games out with bullet time or "slow motion" which is more or less exactly the same thing. Countless Matrix games use it, MaxPayne was one of the first. Red Steel has it. List goes on and on.

Here's another one. Most games always have an older person who heard of a rumor or legend and somehow, everytime, it's real.

im gona get called pig for this, but best clechie ever is right, couse its one of the stupiedest (all be hotties) ones of all time

How about the female party member that is really a princess/leader from the place that you just happen to have to go to to get a bridge built?



How about the alarming number of party members that have amnesia?



A party member that can steal, but can't mug. . . just stab them when you take their money!



A childhood friend that turns out to be the ultimate enemy . . .

Thats not really a cliche, just an unfortunate mechanic of being the "middle" of the story. The second does not have the the wow factor of the first one, and it lacks the spectacular grand finale ending of the third.



Also, most of what you listed there are some really fantastic, sucessful titles. Not dissapointments by any stretch. Kotor 2 however, I agree was crap wrapped in garbage.

A boss fights you and has unlimited health and does 9999 damage with every hit . . . until you fight him a second time.



a guy touches you and you lose health; you touch that guy and . . . you still lose health.



you walk into an enemies castle unannounced and there is a billion traps and a thousand puzzles. You mean to tell me he goes through this every time he goes to the kitchen to make a sammich?



The hero can leap 40 feet above the ground to attack something, but he is stumped by a fence/5ft wall/curb. . .

How about the "You are a soldier going after the enemy forces in order to save the world, somehow all you have is a handgun and 12 bullets (or the crappiest sword or knife in the city)" cliche that begins most action games? I mean, no sane person would go against unknown or massive forces with just that kind of crap. (Note: I am not referring to games where there is actually a logical explanation for the lack of equipment, but there is not usually one in first person shooter games)



And add to that the "We all know you are our last hope (and possibly have saved our city already), but will still make you pay through the 4SS for the equipment you need to defend us and kill off our enemies" cliche in any action or RPG game where you can buy stuff. I mean, if you are so important and hailed as being the potential savior of the world in a city would a real store owner value ripping you off over his continued existence and his family's welfare?

Oh man they miss the granddaddy of them all, the AMNESIAC protagonist. SOOOOOOOOO over used SOOOOOOOOO over used. They either start out with no recollection of who they are or how they got there OR somewhere along the game they take one to the head and BAM! Who...am i?...where am i?...who are you?...

you run up to any enemy that will full force attack you, and it will miss. but when there not even trying forsay a spike thing that goes back and forth, it will hit you every time. there is pretty much no say in it

LOL!! I totally agree bud.

Big Boss/Naked Snake anyone?

"Here I am starting my quest! Luckily everyone around me is weak and the though ones will only appear when I'm strong as well!"



Basic RPG cliché. When you're level one, you'll only find other level ones and so on. It's lucky that your home city is surrounded by weak monsters, where others that are far away ar completely screwed!

how about those things that happens almost every story where someone/something is captured and youre neither there nor have the powers to stop it, then you have to go on a journey to save he/she/it no matter what.

you take on all the mini bosses and LAST Boss at the very beginning. afterward you continue to play all throughout the game with just regular baddies

nowadays programmers are improving games specially on m.m. online r.p.g. monsters that are ways below your level just stands still, continue whatever it is doing or run away from you. i remember chasing monsters fleeing from me on the ps1 game Guardian crusade and some other console RPGs.

No, it is "weird".

invisible barriers stopping you from doing things the programmer didnt want you to. in most GTA games bridges has invisible barriers which stops you from crossing it etc. you cannot fall from most cliffs.

like mario and cloud really had to pay for items.



i also remember castlevania on GBA where there is a military man goes all the way to dracula's castle, disregards his safety, just to sell you stuff and even guard your gal.

Same with Mario, and Haggar, and probably lots of others that don't immediately come to mind.

How did you miss this? You fall of a cliff hundreds of feet above sea level, and instead of tumbling through the air, you remain firmly upright with weapons still in hands! XD

Or he could just hook up with his other girls that are the same age, but he only regards them as 'friends'.



Or turn ghei -__-

How the little 4 horned squirrel with nothing but a 1 damage nut throw attack fights you when you're lv 9999999 and he's lv 1. Then when he dies, he drops his 2gp which he has no reason to have.

Almost all RPG has some sort of totally useless spells like blind, sleep, poison, curse, instant death .. blah blah blah.



Who in their right mind will pick a blind/poison/curse spell to cast when you can cast fire/thunder/ice instead? Most of these spell has like 5% chance of ever being successful...

Said that already

Guys, we appreciate the great comments. Just about everything was smart and we'll be sure to include your ideas and credit you individually when the next Quicklist comes. By the way, we're doing "the unsung Heroes of gaming" next time. care to contribute?

yet not as pahtetic as you ;) don't knock the thread!

Maybe you can show us one of your articles so we can all see what's not pathetic. Thanks for commenting, we appreciate good and bad ones.

god of war 2 was brilliant though, but strangely enough youre right, i want to play GoW one again but not #2