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Epic Games: 3DS not powerful enough

Posted Oct 7, 2010 at 12:39AM EST by Ryan F.

Listed in: Nintendo DS Tags: 3ds, Epic Games, Mark Rein, Unreal Engine

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Epic Games vice president Mark Rein said that they have no plans to develop games on the 3DS because the new hardware falls below the minimum specifications they require to handle the Unreal Engine.

"It's below our [minimum specifications], from what we can tell. We don't have a 3DS, so there's no way for us to verify that," Rein said. "Everything we've been led to believe is that it's below our min-spec. You couldn't do a game that looks like [Epic Citadel] on it, for example."

Rein went on to add, "like I said, we really don't know enough about it to make a formal comment, but I think if they considered that our engine would be good on it, they would have probably talked to us about it." But he also noted that everything could change once they'll receive their own unit.

Via [Joystiq]

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Nintendo always seems release underwhelming hardware every time... I mean yea the 3d part is cool as hell but why skimp out on where it really counts? I really want to like Nintendo again but between the DS, Wii, and now apparently the 3DS, it is safe to say they wont be getting my money any time soon.

-6 # Because they know better than you. — Lightsource 2010-10-07 05:04

If you're implying that graphics are the most important aspect of a game, you seriously need to re-evaluate your priorities. If that were even close to true, the PS3 would have dominated this console generation by a landslide and Lair would be a good game. This is not the case.

Good games are a combination of three basic assets: Art Direction, Narrative, and Gameplay. Not lighting effects, not gimmicks, and certainly not polygon count.

Also, just so that you leave with a little history lesson. Nintendo has a long history of making consoles and handhelds with old tech. This is why Nintendo is always making money off of their hardware, unlike Sony, for example, who only started making money back on the PS3 last year. I have heard that this was also the case for Microsoft in the first 2-3 years of the 360 as well.

Nintendo seems to know, as should we all, that bigger and better visuals do not necessarily make for a better game. You could have the most realistic looking game in the world, and yet it could be the worst game you've ever played, or could be riddled with bugs.

Don't get me wrong, I like games like Uncharted 2 and Bioshock, but you can't discredit games like Okami, Mario Galaxy or Darksiders just because they don't strive for high-realism. These games are all critical successes because they have great gameplay. Not to mention, games like Modern Warfare and Bioshock will start to look their age in a matter of years (Halo 3 is a perfect example when compared to Reach), whereas a game like Muramasa: The Demon Blade will always look good (by this I mean the visuals will never 'age', not wether you like it or not).

+3 # but... — ..... 2010-10-07 09:19

I hear this over and over again. It's true... but using it as an excuse to defend inferior system specs is irrational.

" but you can't discredit games like Okami, Mario Galaxy or Darksiders just because they don't strive for high-realism."
-If these games had better graphics would this make them better or worse?

I completely agree that gameplay is essential... but if I have the choice to have lighting effects and polygon count on top of that..... why would I choose to go without? As a consumer, that doesn't make sense to me.

Besides, this article is discussing the HARDWARE specs, not the SOFTWARE. Hardware's job is to give as many options to the developers as possible so they can create great games while still keeping it affordable. Nintendo does this (very successfully) by limiting the potential of games on their system. PS3 and 360 prefer to offer a higher ceiling to developers and eat some of the cost themselves. Nintendo has made a lot of money, but I'm not a stock holder, I'm a gamer... so I'll spend my money on hardware that has a greater potential and hope that software developers will decide to take advantage of that instead of banking on shovelware.

-4 # RE: but... — splontot 2010-10-07 14:12

I would say the more realistic graphics WOULD make Galaxy, and Okami worse (can't speak for Darksiders, never played it). I sure as hell don't want a realistic looking Mario, part of the charm of both games (and others in the series) is the graphics of them.

-3 # RE: RE: but... — ISOHaven 2010-10-07 14:29

I couldn't agree more. Sometimes, less is more.

# RE: RE: RE: but... — t19fff 2010-10-07 20:39

Imagine mario looking like a PIXAR movie, thats the type of graphics we want. cartoonish yet the animations and visuals are super, super smooth and sharp, couldn't even see the polygonal edges. this is where nintendo falls short.

-2 # RE: RE: RE: RE: but... — ISOHaven 2010-10-08 14:37

We? Care to explain that?

No, I absolutely do not. You are talking about taking a system with a good price, making it more expensive and more prone to failure.

-6 # RE: RE: but... — PS3 Owner1 2010-10-07 15:27

Realistic Mario, I don't want that, we got too many already.

-4 # RE: RE: but... — Mac 2010-10-07 16:03

I think your missing the point... Sure Mario Galaxy was never meant to look realistic, adding realism to that game would detract from its overall appeal. However, that doesn't mean they shouldn't add a little more graphic horsepower to their "hardware" and doing so would not make any difference for games that don't require it. It would simply allow room for games that do require it. If developers such as Epic Games are going to flat out say they won't develop games for brand new system using dated hardware, that kinda says something about Nintendo's practice.

-4 # RE: RE: RE: but... — ISOHaven 2010-10-07 18:35

No, I think YOU are missing the point. You are trying to compare the Wii to the PS3 and that's flat out absurd. How much was the PS3 when it was released? How much was the 360 when it was released? THAT'S the point you are missing.

If you go back in time and upgrade anything on the Wii you do two thing.

1. You increase it's cost.
2. You increase it's form factor.

No thanks!

-1 # RE: RE: but... — ..... 2010-10-08 09:17

You won't find the word realistic in my post. You can read it again if you'd like. Better graphics. I don't want realistic Mario.... but can we lose the jagged edges on his hat?

-2 # RE: RE: RE: but... — ISOHaven 2010-10-08 14:38

If you go back in time and upgrade anything on the Wii you do two thing.

1. You increase it's cost.
2. You increase it's form factor.

No thanks!

# RE: RE: RE: RE: but... — luckymouse 2010-10-10 18:02

If we are lucky we can go back far enough to a time frame where ISOHaven wasn't born yet!

And the stupid 'form factor' phrase wasn't coined yet

# RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: but... — ISOHaven 2010-10-12 13:56

So all we got here is yet another pathetic troll.

Some dipshit kid who has nothing real to say who doesn't even have the balls to comment on the topic at hand.

What a waste!

-5 # RE: Epic Games: 3DS not powerful enough — darthvonodia 2010-10-07 06:00

yeah correct, I guess U really understand ninty strategy "precisely". more power means: more expensive unit & less battery life. which brings less sales & more customer complaints. PS3: more horse power, more expensive, SONY losing $$ & sales like shit.

U want more powerful handheld, U're at the wrong company, go to apple or sony.

-7 # RE: Epic Games: 3DS not powerful enough — awesomedude 2010-10-07 06:19

Good! Then we won't need to get exposed to their shitty games - OR other games built on their shitty engine! All Unreal engine games are crap! All Epic games are crap!

This is great. :)

-4 # .... — WadeWilson 2010-10-07 14:36

Go back under your bridge troll.

# not technically right — chou 2010-10-07 07:32

The reason why UE3 is on iPhone (3GS or later) is because its GPU supports ES 2.0, the general purpose shader model that is completely compatible with UE3. The 3DS is using fixed line ES1.1, with fixed line extensions to use some features of 2.0.

In other words, it would require Epic to completely ditch their software rendering model (the whole 'thing' of what the company is about) and essentially rewrite a fundamental part of the engine. T

-3 # OK, I see. — T-Max Blaze 2010-10-07 08:14

EPIC WIN??

-4 # RE: OK, I see. — anonimoo 2010-10-07 17:36

well... I didn't understand a shit about what he said, but he sounded like he knows about the topic, so I agree (?)

-2 # ... — Afrit 2010-10-07 19:56

"The iDevices rock a PowerVR for GPU and the 3DS a Pico200. The PowerVR that the iDevices use has support for OpenGL ES 2.0, the Pico supports up to OpenGL ES 1.1"

-5 # RE: Epic Games: 3DS not powerful enough — senz 2010-10-07 10:39

Powerful or not the 3DS will still selling well, just compare the PSP and the DS the PSP is more powerful doesn't mean anything.

Developer will probably choose the system that got the best security vs piracy.

-3 # RE: RE: Epic Games: 3DS not powerful enough — PS3 Owner1 2010-10-07 15:26

PS3 was secured for a lot of time but it got hacked in 2010, so it's all equal now as all consoles are hacked.

3DS will also be hacked and those security updates will be blocked, cuz they're useless.

-5 # hmm — FiddleStix 2010-10-07 12:30

how can you review something when you have not even got your hands on it? just judging on its appearance is not enough to say its not powerful.

-4 # RE: hmm — AssassinXCV 2010-10-08 02:26

Quoting FiddleStix:

how can you review something when you have not even got your hands on it? just judging on its appearance is not enough to say its not powerful.

wow are you becoming retarded??? know onw is judging it's capabilities based on it's looks, what? you think: "oh, since it's painted blue, it'll be slower compared to my black psp 1000"

where the fuck did you imagine that reason??? while you were sucking ur dad's cum out his straw???

people are basing it's Specification based on ITS SPECIFICATIONS GIVEN!!!! you are a dumb fuck you here that???

you stupid sad fuck, if they say it's got 12mb of ram, and a 0.00000003KHz processor, then you know for sure shit that it suck dick hair compared to a fucking psp that is 5 years OLD!!!!

WOW FUCK!!!! im loosing all hope in humanity... are people really becoming this dumb??

# hmm — Beansta 2010-10-08 10:15

^ someone didnt eat their weetabix this morning

-2 # RE: Epic Games: 3DS not powerful enough — ISOHaven 2010-10-07 13:38

Ok...so? That doesn't mean much. That would be like having Autodesk speak up and say they wont create AutoCAD for the 3DS because it's not powerful enough. Not a big deal...

+1 # hmm — Bona Fide 2010-10-16 23:37

"Ok...so? That doesn't mean much. That would be like having Autodesk speak up and say they wont create AutoCAD for the 3DS because it's not powerful enough. Not a big deal..."

actually it means many popular games that use the unreal engine will never make it to the DS. Maybe they will come to the PSP 2?

+1 # RE: hmm — ISOHaven 2010-10-25 12:19

I doubt it. Maybe a slimmed down version of thing close.

-5 # Nintendo — DragonUltraMaster 2010-10-07 14:10

Can't wait till this gets realesed ^^
I will so buy it.

Nintendo rules!

-2 # ... — TheRockness 2010-10-07 14:32

So this means no Gears of War or Unreal Tournament on 3DS. Oh well, it wasn't going to happen anyway. I don't see enough people wanting those games on a portable system with one analog stick.

-1 # RE: Epic Games: 3DS not powerful enough — PS3 Owner1 2010-10-07 15:24

It's also missing a 2nd thumb stick, for FPS games it doesn't seem too good.

Like PSP, only has one thumb stick too.

I wasn't amazed by 3DS, but it's a pretty good update, it has PS2/Wii graphics and a new DoA is coming.

-4 # Corny.. — Jhay 2010-10-07 15:58

Apple paid epic..oh wait..

-1 # RE: Epic Games: 3DS not powerful enough — Magnum 2010-10-07 18:07

My opinion is simply that the 3ds needs to be MUCH more than the original DS and all the iterations that followed it. It needs to have the flecibility of supporting high-end graphics and the hardware capability to handle calculations that go beyond graphics - many games were severely limited by the low hardware specs on the DS and in the end their were too many trash games on the system. I could probably name the good games within a few minutes while compiling a list of the absolutely horrible games would take me days. If the 3d feature truly goes beyond the gimmick it seems to be then the hardware specs may not matter - but better hardware doesn't just mean better graphics - it means better gameplay (from a coding perspective) and better features - personally I'd love to see better audio on the new system. While I would never discredit the importance or storyline and general gameplay better hardware specs mean better games - the games on the wii COULD be as good as the games on the 360 - but they are not (in general)

Well I'm done ranting - who's next?

-5 # RE: Epic Games: 3DS not powerful enough — gils001 2010-10-07 21:05

how in the hell does Epic know the 3ds specs or capability i really think he is underestimating it....also could everyone stop referring to those specs we were given to about a month ago how do we really know it has 2 arm11's and their clock speeds

also could someone tell me what those + or - numbers on the comments are

# RE: RE: Epic Games: 3DS not powerful enough — AssassinXCV 2010-10-08 02:31

Quoting gils001:

also could someone tell me what those + or - numbers on the comments are

those are ratings, like on youtube, it you have a comment with +100, then it means 100 people LIKE your comment and support it, if you have a -2, then it means that 2 people have rated it bad, meaning they dont like what you said.

so ya, ranging from -1 to -sideways 8 (infinity), that means how many people hate your guts.

ranging +1 to + sideways 8 (infinity), that means how many people want you to shove your special organ inside their special hole.

-3 # RE: Epic Games: 3DS not powerful enough — Azariel_z 2010-10-08 04:09

Don't worry Epic, none would buy your games on the 3DS anyways... because you would need to DESIGN handhelds games based on GAMEPLAY and no the common " OMFG this LOOKS amazing...!!!" to cover up the boring mechanics..

EPIC, you are a BIG boy, ain't ya? just wait for the PSP2...

-3 # wpol — olol 2010-10-08 11:13

im gonna lol this

-2 # epic makes nothing good — zanzabar 2010-10-08 16:12

since the UT3 engine came out what has epic made that was any good, i cant think of anything and looking at wiki they made nothing. all they did was gears and UT3 and so far the 3 that are out are some of the worst shooters that ive ever played that were from a real studio.

then they are making the UT4 engine for late next year and it has a mobile engine with it, and i doubt that 2 arm chips or an arm and powerVR or whatever nintendo went for will not qualify.

-2 # ha — DJ PON-3 2010-10-10 04:12

Let the PSP 2 handle it

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