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Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales

Posted Apr 2, 2010 at 8:25PM EST by Ryan F.

Listed in: PSP, Nintendo DS Tags: gta: chinatown wars, Rockstar, take-two

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Nintendo blamed the lack of marketing support for the awful sales of Rockstar's GTA: Chinatown Wars on the DS, but Take Two thinks otherwise, citing the usual suspect, "piracy" and the weak demand for handheld software as the reasons behind the game’s dismal performance. In an interview with MCV, Take-Two CEO Ben Feder said:

I am very proud of Chinatown Wars. As of February 2010, Chinatown Wars’ unit sales in the US represented nearly 50 per cent of the unit sales of all M-rated DS titles in the history of the platform.

At the same time, the handheld market is currently challenged by weak demand and by piracy. Piracy is a real and present danger for our industry and must be addressed, especially in the handheld market. The commercial performance of Chinatown Wars has certainly suffered at the hands of piracy.

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I'm sure piracy was an issue, but I'm also sure it wasn't nearly as big an issue as they think.

He said it himself: ctw sales account for a full half of all M rated games on the ds. I don't know how many M rated games are out there, but if a game can do that and still not sell enough for the devs to be happy, then maybe it should tell you something about the target market for the ds.

Would you make a kiddy edutainment game that requires a top of the line gaming pc? Not if you want it to sell--the kind of people with that kind of system just aren't interested in that kind of thing. I'm sure there'd be a few: hardcore gaming geeks who also have kids that play on their computer; but it would still sell dismally.

That's an extreme analogy: there are plenty of core gamers with DS's... but the majority of DS's are played by kids whose parents/grandparents buy them their games. GTA just isn't going to do well in that kind of market.

# yes, you can after 10 seconds. — Guest 2010-04-03 17:42

if the gameplay is that uninteresting to me i quit very quickly.

i downloaded this game, and was done with it in a matter of minutes..
this has nothing to do with piracy, the game sucks donkey balls and they know it.

the 3d gta's for psp sell very good so there's an obvious reason for it too.

blaming misfortunes on something else is what 2 kinds of people do: children and muslims.

# RE: yes, you can after 10 seconds. — Guest 2010-04-04 18:55

You sure you didn't like it because the protagonist was Chinese?

# RE: RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — genosyde 2010-04-04 15:38

Lets face it folks, I hope someone from Rockstar reads this forum because basically I think I can speak for most and say that by looking at the responses here, Piracy was not a *major* factor, they do have to blame themselves, for poor marketing, taking a step back in the GTA era (and expecting a GRAND amount of sales when it only appeals to a smaller audience), porting the game TWICE... It's simple to say that you could have pleased a *GRAND* audience had you delivered GTA San Andreas Stories... I hope to god you get your heads out of the sand and announce it already, it'd be a nice way to repent for this f*** up..

# Totally — Guest 2010-04-06 23:20

I was socked with a 30$ download of this for psp from my psn accnt, when nobody used my psp or ps3 at "0937-Monday March 27, 2010" as the receipt said. When I called Sony they were more than non-caring, so I spoke to my boss and he got me my money back because he asked for the ip address or mac address of the console that downloaded it, they couldn't provide it and so refunded my money... so then I downloaded it and tried it out, since I technically got a free copy, it was soon pretty obvious why they were dumping this crap off on me, lol, even with a free copy I thought it sucked, haven't touched it since

# ... — Ryan F. 2010-04-02 21:50

Well, what's your take on this guys? Do you agree with Take-Two?

+1 # sorry, but no — genosyde 2010-04-02 22:00

Take-Two is just making excuses for a poor game. For them to think piracy was the cause of lack of sales is moronic, sure there is a audience for 2D top down classic gta. but its not near as big the audience that is used to the 3D gta that they have introduced. they need to stick with the era of franchise they introduced. gta cw is a good iphone game. *Not* a psp/ds game. We can't take steps back, only forward.

-1 # Bad Game — MitchenX 2010-04-02 23:31

I agree with this guy. VCS and LCS sold well on the PSP. If they made another, I would buy it.
But when I saw this game, I became fed up with GTA in general. They should just call this game what it is: Super GTA2.

+3 # ... — Silver-Tiger 2010-04-03 05:44

Yeah, you would be completely right, if the game suck, but it does NOT. On metacritc both titles have a metacritic over 90, which means the majority thinks the game was good.

Normally I would I agree with you guys, way too often companies blame it on piracy and other excuses when the game was bad, but come on, GTA Chinatown Wars wasn't that bad. They just went back to their roots with this one. Today all GTAs are all the same. The only thing that differs is the main char.

-1 # .... — Guest 2010-04-03 12:49

yea but you cant look at others reviews. i personally didnt like the game just because i dont like the top down thing. GTA to me is a fully 3D game. just cuz a website gives a game a good review doesnt mean its good. websites are bias. the dont admit it tho

-1 # :| — genosyde 2010-04-04 15:24

I never said it sucked, I said it's a good iphone game, i don't personally think it's a good PSP game considering the 2 that came before it. I'm not about to pick up LCS and VCS then pick up CTW and there are a LOT of gamers out there that feel the exact same way, sure there are plenty that pirate it, but ask them if they still play it and chances are no. more so than the hardcore fan's who want 2D (with 3D aspects) on a classic top down GTA view. This much is true, the forum speaks for it's self. The community..

# RE: sorry, but no — Daistaar 2010-04-02 23:52

Seriously, That top down view just doesn't work anymore. Since GTA3 no one wants to go back to that view. Even the comic book style was a bit odd. I personally didn't really feel like CTW was truely in the GTA realm. I left the GTA and GTA2 classics in the PSX days.

Definitely give RockStar and Take Two a ton of props for thinking outside of the box and being risky though. Can appreciate that there are devs that don't churn out the same thing year after year. Unfortunately though, this game was readily available to pirates. Sad part is I think after downloading GTACTW and playing for a few minutes, most people just deleted it and forgot about it...

# another one — Musev 2010-04-03 05:32

"sure there is a audience for 2D top down classic gta."

Its 3d! how any can look at it and see 2d I'll never know.. bad eyes or something?
theres never even been a 2d gta (excluding gta advance)the maps have always been 3d since the first gta

+1 # GTA and GTA2 were 2D! — Guest 2010-04-04 14:49

Uh....do you think GTA started with GTA3? Because I hate to be the one to break it to you, but 'Grand Theft Auto' started out as a top-down 2D view PC game. It was completely 2D, download the game, Take-two offers it for free! GTA, then had 2D expansion packs (London..or something), then there was GTA2, all of which were 2D!

Having said that, Chinatown wars is not 2D, it uses 3D models, not 2D spites.

-1 # uhh,,, — genosyde 2010-04-04 15:28

it's 2D perspective with 3D elements... you do need your eyes checked i guess.

+2 # RE: ... — yoshi314 2010-04-03 06:01

piracy is the first excuse for poor game reception.

if the game is good, people will buy it, because it's worth it.

if piracy was to blame, there would be no successful psp games.

# Not a Hope — databoy2k 2010-04-05 13:47

Problem 1: Marketed it as a DS game, when the DS is predominantly owned by children under the age of 14. Silent Hill on the Wii didn't sell well either... probably because most parents won't buy M-rated games for their children. Let's not forget - the most "M-mature" type audience owns an Xbox 360 or a PS3, NOT a DS.

Problem 2: PSP Owners (handheld gamers who tend to be older) are stuck in a quagmire between Sony's attempts to block CFW and the benefits associated with homebrew. I can't purchase the game off the PSN - I refuse to update and lose my homebrew. The entire PSP market is sucking bad.

You have to wonder about the marketers at some of these companies...
--Databoy2k

# RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Guest 2010-04-02 22:01

I agree with Nintendo, I did not see one ad anywhere for either of the two CTW games

# RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Guest 2010-04-02 22:19

Well, I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with the fact that the top down view isn't liked by fans of the other PSP games. Let's just blame it all on piracy.

+1 # OMG!!! — Souljaboy56 2010-04-02 22:20

The game wasnt even worth pirating to be begin with. Chinatown wars was terrible, people just pirated it or didnt buy it at all. i know many people who pick up all the GTA games, and those who were familiar with pirating just pirated it, while others just didnt buy it.

Point is, the game was shit, and Take-Two just wants to blame the low sales on something.

-1 # RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Nerd42 2010-04-02 22:29

That's right. Blame pirates for the poor sales of a SUCKY title. Typical.

All they needed to do was put a new map, a few new cars and some voice acting onto the Liberty City Stories engine and they would have been able to keep right on milking the same freaking game and it would have been better than Chinatown wars.

-1 # the truth hurts so make excuses — Guest 2010-04-02 22:34

well duh china town war isnt doing well i agree with you guys you cant go top down 2d after you already made the franchise what it was with the 3rd person 3d i was going to buy a ds just to play it until i found out it was a top down 2d version no voice acting or anything that made gta 3 franchise great if they didt stray i would have got it in fact i would have been 1st in line for it nothing but excuses in my opinion they tried to take advantage of the gta name and pawn off a crappy imitation of the real deal i admit it would have worked back in the late 90s when top down was new

+1 # awful — Guest 2010-04-02 22:35

the game is very bad i hate gta games that remind me of GTA 2

+2 # RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Guest 2010-04-02 22:42

Total BS.
80% of any GTA game involves driving around the city. Face it, driving sucks in Chinatown Wars.
The other 2 PSP GTA games are AWESOME. Both are million plus sellers.

Take Two made a huge mistake making Chinatown a 2D game, with no voice acting and no real music.
Epic Fail

# bullsh*t — HacKeRsLiM 2010-04-02 22:52

oh i beg to differ. i thought the ds version sucked ass (not that i could make anything better tho but still). the psp version was even a bigger dissapointment to me though. even if the psp version was bettter than the ds version they would have been higher seeing as the honorable liberty and vice city stories were high achieving and amazing feat 3d games for the psp you would think they would do the same thing to chinatown wars. all they did was slap a ds game on the psp with slightly better graphics.

for the last time you can polish a turd but it will still be a piece of sh*t, kapeish

# and another thing — HacKeRsLiM 2010-04-02 22:57

it wasnt even worth pirating in the first place. i agree with all the replies above mine, the game does suck.
pirates are out there and they do bring down sales but only for the good games, remember that pefore you say a game nonody wanted in the first placed was completly destroyed and ruined by pirates ok

-2 # RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Justin Graziano 2010-04-02 23:02

They have this for sale in the App Store. I still haven't bought it. I haven't pirated it either, and nor do I plan on. I want a 3D GTA, not some crappy 2D game with an overhead camera. Piracy does cause issues on mobile platforms quite often, but in situation, thats not the case. This game is simply crap and no one wants it, just like no one wanted all the other 2D GTA's. Next time think before developing a game for a Nintendo platform. There just too weak.

-1 # RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Guest 2010-04-02 23:15

Just another converted game.

-2 # another thing — lunas 2010-04-02 23:18

isnt gta the only M-rated game for the ds.

+2 # RE: another thing — ShinseiTom 2010-04-03 00:26

Shin Megami Tensei, CORE, Crime Scene, Touch of the Dead, RE, Dementium. And a couple more. So no, it's not the only one, but it's probably the best known one.

-1 # RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Guest 2010-04-02 23:22

This game was not even worth pirating. They blame piracy just because the game had crappy dails, news flash, if the game sucks, it wont sell.

# RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — astaroth001 2010-04-02 23:25

That's what happens when you make M rated games on console/handheld that is more for kids...that's what happens when you make great 3d GTA's and take it back old school with little to nothing new to add into the franchise...that's what happens when you make like the 2579384253094509 game on Liberty City... and this is what happens when piracy attacks...but I dont thing is piracy for the most part...in any case the PSP GTA's would have sold more than 1 million units

# dude... — hush404 2010-04-02 23:42

The majority of peeps who own a DS are not looking for GTA.

It's that simple.

-1 # pathetic — MangoScango 2010-04-03 00:24

Don't blame piracy you morons. People didn't buy DS's for GTA!

Hi statement even proves piracy is not to blame. He said it got shitty sales, but holds 50% of all M rated DS sales. That says "DS owners are younger" not "DS owners are pirates"

Dumbass

+1 # RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Navani 2010-04-03 00:26

I think most DS players don't know about the R4. So I think they're just leaching onto an excuse. I DO think it's a great game, I really enjoyed it. People complained of top-down, but you know what? It worked.

# Huh? Rockstar blaming PSP for DS and Iphone failure aswell? — Guest 2010-04-03 00:49

Uh, theres a reason China Town failed so badly Take Two.

Oh by the way DS version and Iphone versions failed just as badly, why is PSP being blamed for a port of the DS game?

Is it cause piracy is more famous than the other handhelds?

Its just as easy to pirate this on a DS and Iphone, why is PSP being attacked? and to think its being attacked for a game that failed badly on all systems, it was ported to.

# .. — Relys 2010-04-03 01:23

They should listen to market signals.

They have nobody to blame but themselves.

+1 # GTA CTW Sucks? — SharkyTrs 2010-04-03 02:35

Everyone seems to be hating on this game. They seem to be missing a point though, compare GTA Ctw to any other DS game and you'll find it surpasses them all in terms of quality and gameplay. No one bought it because the DS isn't seen as a gaming system for voilent games, so its instantly dissmissed as rubbish, and it is in terms of modern GTA style rampaging and additions to the city etc. but as a 'DS' game its pretty damn fine. the PSP port just wasn't needed though it doesn't work and the control system fails after loosing the touch screen for jacking and that.

-1 # RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — AithePanda 2010-04-03 03:25

i don't agree with either, but!, the Nintendo, Playstation, and XBox should take their time on their hardware, try to squeeze their own brains out probably kill themselves making the best security, so that they don't get pirates onboard, and should have loyal employees that won't release their software play(cough*)sta tion.. well that's my opinion.AT LEAST THAT'S WHY PS3 IS DOING GOOD IN THE ANTI PIRACY SIDE, BLAME WEAK SECURITY FOR GAMES? NO!!! BLAME NOONE, THE CONSUMER LIKES WHAT IT LIKES^_^ I DON'T REALLY LIKE CHINA WARS SO THAT'S ONE POINT FOR US!... ME??? IDK

# RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Guest 2010-04-03 04:17

its not piracy its the dumb ass games they put out. can we leave it at that

# RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Guest 2010-04-03 04:19

sharkytrs is fuckin retarded. the psp port are fucking kidding me

-2 # PSP Gamer — Guest 2010-04-03 04:26

Yes, I pirated it. For about 30 minutes and then I realized it was a piece of shi%. I then deleted it. This game does not deserve to be called GTA, in my opinion

-1 # RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Aionism 2010-04-03 04:43

Every dumbass in the world seems to be convinced that it's a 2D game (and that would somehow make it not worth playing).

-2 # RE: RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Guest 2010-04-03 06:19

Maybe because it is a 2D game with an isotopic (fake) 3D effects ...

# RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Guest 2010-04-03 07:32

Even though I like old school games (been playing video games for 26 years now) I must admit this one didn't quite work for me. I'm still hoping for a GTA San Andreas Stories for the PSP though, that one will sure be a sales hit. Companies need to stop making excuses for poor sales, piracy isn't the only culprit.

# hell no, — Guest 2010-04-03 09:08

they can only blame pirates if they have statistic-proof on how many people downloaded the game minus a bunch of people who did that for "evaluation purpose" before hunt for the game.

at least i quite enjoy this title.. sure its different but still fun nonetheless; n i wont give a damn on what people said since most of us have different taste anyway

# RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Guest 2010-04-03 09:33

You guys really don´t have a clue what good games are i see you guys only complaining about the overhead camera (it´s still not 2D ;) ) are you guys just graphic whores or what !?
And yes piracy on DS AND on PSP are a big problem (it´s simply to easy) anybody who says something different just have no idea.
Especially the so known "hardcore" gamers,so the main audience for this game, knows pretty good how they can pirate games.

# what r you on — Guest 2010-04-03 13:23

you seem to be emoployed by the devs that produced this garbage look 90% of gta fans like were it is now we do not want to go back to topdown yes we are graphic whore we all are would you go back to nes serously i would not have bought a xbox 360 if all the games were still nes qaulity and yes it may not exactly be 2d bot more of a fake 3d but if you read the blogs we as gta fans have spoken TOPDOWN SUCKED NO VOICE ACTING ANMD NO REAL MUSIC YOUR GAME SUCKS

+1 # ... — symbal 2010-04-03 10:14

Sold well enough on NDS and that's easy enough to pirate, the problem is the Psp has massive potential but Sony just pisses it away, so developers either have to wait for Sony to wake up or just accept piracy will never go away and do their best to work around it.

# RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Guest 2010-04-03 11:14

WOW I'm surprised by the people who are hatting so much on CTW, especially the fool who said it doesn't deserve to be called GTA. This is a throw back to the ORIGINAL GTA, it is GTA. I don't love it, but enough people do that it gets great reviews. Not everybody will like it but not everybody has to. Only a moron would think that pirating is not having an effect on the gaming scene. is it going to kill it? not likely.

# Same old same old — Guest 2010-04-03 11:43

You played one GTA, you have played them all. Plus I had trouble getting use to driving with the top down view.

+1 # RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Humpfreey 2010-04-03 12:53

this was a poor game, top-down view was too small hard to see wtf was going on, missions were boring, only good thing was the cool intro

# port to gta4 — Guest 2010-04-03 14:09

this game should be ported to pc in full 3d, as a downloadable content, simply another story! if rockstar doesn't want to bother with recording the audio and doing the cutscenes then they can simply enhance what is allready there and put some "max payne" look into it. i mean what does it take to do this? some models for the new characters and props (hidden cameras, etc), and scripts for the missions, submissions and other stuff. and then we'll see for sure that it wasn't the story keeping the sales low, but the top-down approach!

-1 # RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — But Fukir 2010-04-03 14:13

Although I could have downloaded that anytime I wanted to, I never did because it just doesn't look very good.

Piracy rules.

# What? — Guest 2010-04-03 15:22

i thought the ds one was an utter version of donkey £$^% but i played the psp one and guess what? its not that bad.the game's actually good but the camera ruins it so badly and the graphics are suckish.

what can you expect? it was originally a ds game and the ds is $£$&*&ing *^)^)ucker($&(%)hole with (_^_^)up its ^_(

the psp kills the ds so badly

# piracy again - ok this is getting boring — Guest 2010-04-03 16:27

"compare GTA Ctw to any other DS game and you'll find it surpasses them all in terms of quality and gameplay."

I can give you DOZENS of games where you can clearly see where you are going, the controls are functional and are not as sensitive as GTA on the DS. DOWNLOADED the game to decide if I wanted to buy this, I got some of my friends to DOWNLOAD it and played it for a couple of hours. That was it. The game has HORRIBLE controls and yes I have played the first two GTA games.

I even had the chance to buy this for 10 pounds or so and I did not even care. So yeah BLAME PIRACY YOU RETARDS.

-1 # RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — mer2329 2010-04-03 17:46

don't blame piracy for poor sales
blame it on a bad game
if a game is good
it will sell regardless of piracy (it just may lessen sales a bit)

i couldn't increase sales as i don't own a DS anymore and i also wouldn't buy it as i don't like grand theft auto in any form

# Wow.... — Guest 2010-04-03 19:42

Everyone hates this game???...
I actually like this game...for the DS that is...If you dont like the original then you shouldnt play the series then people...

# always blaming piracy — Guest 2010-04-03 21:10

Didn't they look at the possibility that the reason they had bad sales was because that game sucked?

# bad system for GTA and piracy killed it — InTheZoneAC 2010-04-03 21:53

not enough older people have a DS

not all of them want GTA

some who did pirated it. tens of thousands pirated GTA chinatown.

10k x $40 a game = $400,000 at the least

developers need to take into consideration making games for the 360, DS, and PSP due to piracy. If you don't think you'll even out the cost to make the game and the profit you make, don't even bother.

# Decent Game, but Not What We Wanted — Guest 2010-04-03 22:25

While fun, we want more features, not some from GTA4 and going back to 2d that's why it sold like a shit sandwich.

# the game looks like crap — Guest 2010-04-03 23:30

i admit, i could have pirated it but the game looked so crappy that i didnt even bother

# RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Guest 2010-04-04 01:10

piracy is definitely not the issue. ive dl around 2 3 hundred games and this is NOT one of them. any pirates out there actually dl this?

-2 # RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — AssassinXCV 2010-04-04 01:56

GTA: CTW

Giant Turd (from) Ass: Chinese Trash Warez

(warez = that illegal shit you can download)

# Shitty game! — Guest 2010-04-04 02:35

this game is shit, i played for 30min and delete this trash from my memory stick...

# RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Guest 2010-04-04 11:16

Any game that relies on still images for storytelling and puts it in their adds as a "perk" has got to expect low sales. The game should have been cheaper to make than the other PSP gtas so i dont see what the fucking hubub is all about

# COMMONSENSE: IF THEY WANT TO MAKE MONEY......... — HacKeRsLiM 2010-04-04 12:03

they should really listen to want the consumer wants. they would be bathing in cash if they would just make san andreas stories. why cant they realize that. is it just that they dont want to put the time into making it.

we have been asking for san andreas stories since libert city psp came out. they would be set for life if they would at least listen to the psp users.

they need to understand that they are not the ones buying the game we are and if they make whatever game they think is ft or whatever is convienient for them so they dont put time and effort into a good game then nobody will buy it.

for gods sake why dont companies like this listen to there customers. the best game selllers always hear what there buyers have to msay and rockstar will never be a good company unless they start to do that.

so heres what i want in san andreas stories: make us able to fly a jet or something. put the dodo in it. thumbs up this post if you think it makes sense

# Well, I didn't pirate it — SonicTH 2010-04-04 12:48

...

But maybe now I will.

SUCK IT DOWN.

(I could do it on both platforms no less)

# RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Guest 2010-04-04 15:47

It's terrible when you compare it to previous PSP GTAs.

# REALLY!! — Guest 2010-04-04 19:56

I guess when you make a BLAH game, in order to save your ass you need to throw in that card. C'mon, hope the higher ups didnt fall for that load of crap. You guys should be stoke ppl are download your game. It was an utter bore!

# I think there are a couple reasons here... — Guest 2010-04-04 21:44

How about the fact that the DS wasn't exactly hitting their demographic group. If you look at the major sellers on the DS you won't see many MATURE rated games.

Then you have the release on the PSP. This is coming just after the other two fully 3D PSP titles which, from what I gather, sold very well for PSP games and even went on to become PS2 ports.

Compared to those, this game is a downgrade in terms of graphics, sound, and game play!

You can't show people what their system is capable of and then take 2 steps back. Not to mention it's also a port of a DS game with minor tweaks. The best parts on the DS were the touch screen innovations which were well done.

# RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — TheReaper 2010-04-04 21:50

it was nothing like gta:lcs or gta:vcs... so disappointing...

# Piracy = PSP? — Guest 2010-04-04 22:53

Huh? I thought Piracy was the reason for PSP games to always fail in the market, and the reason for that was iso loaders/custom firmware.
Now they're trying to play the same card (he he) on the DS?

# Lol. This is funny!!!! — Guest 2010-04-04 23:17

I love it when people contradict themselves.

Oh, the game wasn't worth pirating. I only played it for 10 minutes and put it down.

Oh ok. So I'm guessing you went out and brought the original game and played your backup copy of it on your psp. If that's the case, then we wouldn't be having this topic, because sells would be up.

Why do we make excuses for not buying a game and pirating. There NEVER been a bad GTA game. You are contributing to pirate and are hurting game sales. We are love GTA and if PSP wasn't hack and if they didn't release a demo and they game got reviews, then the sales of it would of been real high.

I pirated all the time and my only reason is because it's cheaper than buying the game.

That's it. If you own the original, then this topic would not exist.

# FFS.. — kaz050 2010-04-05 00:24

ive ben a fan of GTA for as long as i can remember when i heard the new gta for ds and soon too be psp god i fliped when they shows the frist trailer of it i was like wow topdown view but i guess i could live with it seeing as it was for ds,then bam soon it was said too be ported too psp with new looks i was even more insane couldent wait,but as soon as it came out i was like gtfo.and as for Take-Idiots they should of went with the engien of GTA:LC and made it 3d with alot more too do i bet it sell well up with the other 2.and i agree with the rest of you it plain out sucks ass no less. and that gos for you too rockstart your gta4 sucked aswell,they might aswell do a remake of GTA:SA in thos graphics.

# Eumm opinions — PT-X 2010-04-05 03:52

Lets say i do like the game but its just fun for few minute, not like hours.. becuz of the cam which i kinda hate... b4 and came again.. its gud and fun, for few min bleh :D.

I expecting china wars 3d on the psp.. that would be awesome believe me..
.... im kinda beat the game china wars.. I luv gta in no matter waht form its always fun... But most of the people in this century likes! 3d ... i appreciated th 2d style and stuff im srry XD old school... sample SF3rd strike luv more then SS4 .. lol . MArio 2d Thats the SHT!
and some other :)

# RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Guest 2010-04-05 07:15

This is 100% bullshit, this game sucks probaly the worst game take-two has ever released.

+2 # RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Anunakin 2010-04-05 09:34

I bought that game, and played to the end, stop piracy! developers have family too!

# RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Guest 2010-04-05 09:47

that games sucks were in the year 2010 and they took the game back to the first gta what waste of time 10 sec play and lost interest

+1 # I agree with Anunakin. — cloudnine 2010-04-05 10:12

I'm sick and tired of hearing everyone complaining about how the game isn't good. There isn't a bad GTA game (2D or 3D).

Here is the problem. Everyone is testing the game out, but they don't own the ORIGINAL. If you all played the game for 10 mins and didn't like it, then more than likely you downloaded it. You didn't buy the game and returned it or sell it back to the store. You DOWNLOADED OR PIRATED the game. If you buy the game and then downloaded it, then this topic would not exist. There's not gray area.

I'm from the Nintendo and Sega Genesis Era when good reviews of games really meant that the game was good. Back then, you rented or brought or traded with friends to get that game. Plus you actually played more than 10 mins of it (good or bad). You can't have every gaming magazine and website giving this game 9 out of 10 and it being CRAP. Choose your words wisely.

Lastly, I don't have anything against you guys playing the game illegally. But if you gonna defend piracy, you must first OWN THE FREAKING ORIGINAL GAME!!!

# RE: I agree with Anunakin. — PT-X 2010-04-06 02:31

Quoting cloudnine:

I'm sick and tired of hearing everyone complaining about how the game isn't good. There isn't a bad GTA game (2D or 3D).

Here is the problem. Everyone is testing the game out, but they don't own the ORIGINAL. If you all played the game for 10 mins and didn't like it, then more than likely you downloaded it. You didn't buy the game and returned it or sell it back to the store. You DOWNLOADED OR PIRATED the game. If you buy the game and then downloaded it, then this topic would not exist. There's not gray area.

I'm from the Nintendo and Sega Genesis Era when good reviews of games really meant that the game was good. Back then, you rented or brought or traded with friends to get that game. Plus you actually played more than 10 mins of it (good or bad). You can't have every gaming magazine and website giving this game 9 out of 10 and it being CRAP. Choose your words wisely.

Lastly, I don't have anything against you guys playing the game illegally. But if you gonna defend piracy, you must first OWN THE FREAKING ORIGINAL GAME!!!

exactly thats what i mean.. always
as also im agreed with Anunakin...
buy the freaking game! As he said those dev have fam to! How would u feel getting rip off by some piracy! Exactly sht!

# RE: I agree with Anunakin. — Guest 2010-04-06 15:54

and i'm sick of fanboys defending the undefendable fi everybody played the game pirated or not and everybody is telling you IS A CRAP is not because everybody gives a SHEET about what "oooh glorious magazines" have to say I PERSONALLY think the game is a SCAM cuz its a direct port of a DS game NOT A NEW PSP GAME and im SICK and tired of companies trying to sell the same game over and over just because it didnt sold well in other system, this is abou money after all MONEY and if they want it they have to make a GOOD JOB to EARN IT, pardon me but CTW is NOT a good game like GTA2 IS, its just an excuse to make easy money, i know a LOT of people that bought GTA LCS or VCS even having played BEFORE an "illegal" copy and still having it so dont defend those greedy lousy morons for not selling a crappy game, the problem here is not someone playing it before or 10 minutes the rEAL PROBLEM is companies making TRASH and wanting to sell it as a "must buy game" i mean the game didnt sold well SO WTF??? everygame with a GTA IS OBLIGED to SEEL WELL thats what youre saying??? then youre a MORON, if a game sells well even if theres piracy or NOT MUST BE BECAUSE ITS A GOOD ONE not because it has a "famous" name so Fk u and Fk rockstar, and fk EA and fifas and Fk every greedy bastard trying to sell the same game over and over HELL i dont even know myself HOw the Fk GTA 4 sold well if its the SAME CRAP the have been "doing" over the past few years, THE SAME so they should be grateful that OVERPRICED CLONE sold well and not be complaining like cinical PIGS if a game EVEN THEY KNOW its a CRAP didnt sold well.

-1 # RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Guest 2010-04-05 10:31

i'm surprized that they dont blame blockbuster & other rentl companys

-1 # RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Guest 2010-04-05 14:46

played it on psp for a few hours. It kinda sucks. the view bothers me. the drug dealing is lame. blahhh. it wasn't even worth pirating.

# RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — BryanNitro 2010-04-06 09:35

its not piracy, if the game didn't suck I bet it would sell more, this is pure capitalism they expect since they slapped GTA they would make money. but in order for game to be good is to not buy bad ones let the crappy developers fail so good ones can grow.

# It's really eays to understand.... — Guest 2010-04-26 03:29

This game failed due to several reasons. First off, let me just say, GTA:CTW did NOT suck. It was quite fun, and I've played the 3D GTAs. Granted, the game deserved a score of about...70/100, not 90s and perfect scores.
The reasons this game failed are simple:

1) They did not market the game well at all. In fact, I wasn't aware of it's existence until a few days before it's release, and it was just I saw it being pirated early (more on that later) Unless you visit gaming sites frequently you would probably not have even known of the game's existence until well after it's release.

2) The game was released on the DS, one of the easiest systems to pirate. You can literally search anywhere and find hundreds of DS games. Some games may have anti-piracy, but they are so easy to get around. Like someone said, the audience that would like GTA:CTW are mature gamers who probably know how to pirate, since it's quite simple. And also, GTA:CTW was pirated and released early and was downloaded CONSTANTLY since then. If you think that doesn't effect sales much, you're an idiot. I've seen a site that has about 300,000 downloads of GTA:CTW, which is quite a lot of loss revenue(around 15 million lost from that ONE site, to be exact).

3) The last reason also concerns the DS and it's titles. If you've noticed, the best selling games on the DS are Nintendo published/developed games. That's because 3rd party developers are obsessed with making as much money as possible by appealing to 'casual' players with series like the horrible "Imagine" series. Nintendo almost always sells well because it's series are well known to DS players and are deservedly famous enough to be bought constantly. For example, the Pokemon series: The latest installments, HeartGold/SoulSilver are remakes of Gold and Silver, and yet they still sold well (a couple million last I heard, and that was a disappointment! ).Nintendo games dominate their own systems, as they are shown to be reliable series. The Zelda series will always gain my money because I know I will be buying a great game that lasts hours upon hours filled with fun (unless, of course, it's a specially made spin off....)

To put it bluntly, GTA:CTW failed because it wasn't advertised enough (if at all), it was pirated before it came out, and it was on the Nintendo dominated DS.

# RE: Take-Two blames piracy for poor GTA: Chinatown Wars sales — Guest 2010-05-06 22:54

This is easily the best GTA on the PSP. The other 3D ones had terrible loading times, were difficult to control and just didn't suit the format. GTA CW runs perfectly, loads quickly and is much more suited to the format.

I know most PSP fanboys get a hard on when they see 3d graphics, but the PSP is pretty terrible for playing games like 3D GTA, or 3D FPS. Controls and loading times are unbearable.

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