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Suda51: Natal is great, Sony's Arc isn't exciting

Posted Mar 6, 2010 at 3:29AM EST by Mabie A.

Listed in: PS3, Xbox 360 Tags: Project Natal

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Microsoft's Project Natal gets another vote, this time from Suda51. The No More Heroes creator, Goichi Suda, weighed in on the matter.

"Why develop a game for the competition (Sony) while their device is exactly the same as Nintendo's? I'm not really excited about the gadget from Sony. Natal is great, it would be interesting to work on it."

If you'll remember, No More Heroes was supposed to be made for the Xbox 360, but the devs changed their minds when Nintendo came out with the motion-controlled Wii. Now that Natal is coming out, they can get back to their original plan and make something for the Xbox 360.

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Yeah right on. Lets here what PS3 developers have to say about Natal. They probably think it's total crap.

As for Konami's Kojima, he described the evolution he sees in Natal as something "like the 2D to 3D shift, or the first time that I ever played with Family Computer [NES]" - a major new step forward for the game industry. He commented after he first saw Natal: "I wanted to share my surprise to everybody... but I had to restrain myself."

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=25388

+1 # RE: ... — Musev 2010-03-06 14:41

Quote:

2D to 3D shift,

So what does that really say, its crap atm but it has good potential and could be good in the future??

In anycase I wont pass judgement untill Ive played it myself... I mean I thought he wii was going to be great with its new control method that turned out to be nothing new nor special.

saying that they'll probably start breaking a year after release anyway.

+3 # I personally say — ShinseiTom 2010-03-06 05:18

blah. It's an upgraded webcam/eyetoy. I don't deny it's neat and might be cool to code for, but a godsend or anything? Phhht.

Now, if the Sony arc? is comparable to the motionplus wiimote, but has the backing of the PS3 to run stuff.... Why develop for the PS3's answer? Because it has a hell of a lot of power backing it compared to the Wii.

-1 # RE: I personally say — [DVSDevise] 2010-03-06 12:14

At least MS have worked it out. Natal = casual, 360 controller = core. Sony are going to have a much harder time splitting the line me thinks. Would rather play your much loved PS3 games with a Wiimote+ like controller?

+2 # DVS, so then.. — RavenSPe 2010-03-06 16:52

PS3 controller = Core, Eyetoy = Casual and Arc = In-between? Sounds like more options to me..

# Natal will epically FAIL — Guest 2010-03-06 05:24

it will fail and die out because its most likely gonna have an out of this world RRP so yeah!

-1 # l,,,.asidudf — Guest 2010-03-06 12:48

Thanks, Mr. Playstation F. Anboy

Your opinion is greatly appreciated.

+3 # ... — Afrit 2010-03-06 05:54

No more heroes isn't that great..

a lot of people will change their mind about the Arc when they will see an actual game on it like the next Ape escape

# .... — papajag 2010-03-06 06:10

F Natal and F Arc. Devs need to make real games not some side attraction. Unless it's full motion controlled porn.

# RE: .... — Guest 2010-03-08 21:45

how lame

"make gyrating and humping the air even more sad and pathetic than before!"

# Not Really... — UltimateNoob 2010-03-06 06:37

From what i watched in the first test video of the 'Arc' the controller doesn't use a motion bar like the wii, also from what i assumed, the wii coppied the ps3's motion sensor in the controller and turned into the 'Wii motion+'...

# ? — splontot 2010-03-07 13:32

they annonced motion plus way before sony showed off the "arc", i ithnk it was the year before.

+1 # well — Guest 2010-03-06 07:29

if the Arc is just like the wiimote then Natal is just like the eye toy...

+3 # Microsoft Paid... — Shady0808 2010-03-06 08:18

A mediocre games company that's been paid by Microsoft to say those words

-2 # Hmmm — Cortador 2010-03-06 09:12

It is funny to read the comments of fanboys who can't accept what that guy said about Natal.

# RE: Hmmm — Afrit 2010-03-06 10:22

yes, there are fanboys who can't accept what that guy said about Natal.

But yet the more funny is the guy him self is a big fanboy.

He said ""Why develop a game for the competition (Sony) while their device is exactly the same as Nintendo's? "
"

While true wii got the largest installation base.. the truth is 3rd party software sales suck with it...

Thats why major companies like Capcom and EA are leaving the wii development .

www.qj.net/qjnet/news/scea-where-the-wii-loses-the-ps3-picks-up.html

it will be more worth the development cost to develop for the unhackable "till now" ps3 system motion controller or develop for natal -which will attract more casual gamers catagories- than to develop for the wii.

+2 # ... — Silver-Tiger 2010-03-06 09:25

Wait, did this guy even see Arc? In action? If this would be case, he wouldn't say it's exactly like Nintendo's. He sounds just like all the stupid 360 fanboys. When you actually look into Arc, you'll see that it is different. MUCH different.

# no... — splontot 2010-03-07 13:33

motion plus can do anything the arc can.

# No..no — Afrit 2010-03-08 10:42

no motion plus can't register depth. means it doesn't recognize the distance or location from the screen unless u r aiming directly to the screen which is different than the Arc.

The other thing, it is completely different technology used.

The wiimote is basicly an IR camera only sensitive to infrared..the sensor bar is the fixed source of IR that the wiimote camera recognize to calculate its position when aiming to the screen, so it has a limited viewing angle.

The Arc work differently. where the PlayStation eye camera in fixed location register the colored lED light from the spherical shape from any angle and beside the accelerometer it also analyze its angulation and distance with simple algorithms with minimal processing lag through the Cell.

also with the built in sixaxis (two accelerometers not like the wiimote only one accelerometer) means it can determine the angulation even if the controller transiently obscured behind the player's back.

+1 # RE: Suda51: Natal is great, Sony's Arc isn't exciting — Navani 2010-03-06 11:03

I haven't heard much about the Arc at all, I don't understand how it works. Or Natal, I don't know how Natal can do fluid body motions. So I won't judge until I see =\ or read specs and stuff

-1 # PLAYSTATION EYE — lucknell 2010-03-06 11:03

the natal has been done before motion censors is the future

-1 # hahaha — [DVSDevise] 2010-03-06 11:58

Quoting lucknell:

the natal has been done before motion censors is the future

Oh yeah. A 3D motion capture device that's affordable and requires no sensors to be worn on the subject. Who's done that before?

Gesture recognition is not equal to motion capture.

+1 # Let's see if these... — Guest 2010-03-06 12:41

Evolve into more than just party and exercise games. Nobody, I repeat nobody, will succeed in using these controllers for hard core games. They may have a small use in them but I for one am not going to use Natel to play Burnout or Halo. Furthermore, since Sony's controller is so close to the Wii's, all the casual Nintendo users will be able to seemlessly upgrade to the HD experience. I for one am going to 'wait and see'. Dont 'drink the kool-aid' yet people.

# nah... — Guest 2010-03-06 12:54

we'll just wait and see...

# RE: Suda51: Natal is great, Sony's Arc isn't exciting — astaroth001 2010-03-06 14:03

He talks like that because he thinks Arc is the same as Wii Mote...and since his games didnt took off than he feels lright to bash on what he things is a Wii mote...like I care about Motion games anyway

-2 # RE: Suda51: Natal is great, Sony's Arc isn't exciting — Guest 2010-03-06 15:17

oh sony... the ipod ripped your walkmans and now natal your eyetoy... no more innovations from you... sad...

sony is like always asleep

besides having a ps3 ill buy an xbox because of natal...

-1 # RE: RE: Suda51: Natal is great, Sony's Arc isn't exciting — Guest 2010-03-06 19:14

natal will not sell more 360s it will get attached to family 360
although same will be said for arc except arc will turn some wii people, who can get a bd player and free online gaming
ps3 IS the most powerful
xbox 360 WAS the most popular for devs
wii WAS the most popular among people
PS3 IS NOT WAS BITCHES

-2 # how is natal better? — Guest 2010-03-06 15:49

If the arc is an upgraded wiimote natal is nothing more then an upgraded eyetoy

arc can almost do everything natal can and can do everything the wiimote can

but natal cant do half the stuff arc can

-2 # Natal is good BUT! — Guest 2010-03-06 16:32

its going to be WAYYY to expensive. almost the price of a damn 360. i can say without a doubt it'll be at least 249.99.

# um... — Dark_Skai 2010-03-06 21:08

I'm going to reserve judgment with both motion controllers from MS and Sony, they both seem to have a lot of potential but I personally don't see them kicking off as the "must have" thing for the system.

+1 # Who Gives a F' about what they say?? — Guest 2010-03-06 21:24

We the customers have to use those controllers. Why do people make so much out of a personal opinion? The keys to success will start with price, functionality and how well they mesh with the current games and not just the new ones coming. I own all 3 systems and could careless about the Wii. If both Sony and MS fail at this battle for motion games, they'll do more damage to their own sells than each other.

-2 # Lawlll — Alex 2010-03-07 01:20

Arc was in development before PSP before 360 and BEFORE WII... its true one to one tracking.. something xbox and wii can dream about... wii motion plus is NOT 1:1.

arc is amazing and polished already.. Natal is a bag of glitches. it hardly reconizes black people.. Ever seen the bottom of an avatars shoe... BAM there it is

# hmm — Tydeus 2010-03-07 07:35

This is hardly news worthy, some guy who already hated Sony is yet again announcing he hates them? I think either way I wont be buying the ARC or the Natal as I prefer to just sit on my.. chair.. heh and play my games as usual instead of jumping about like some retard. Of course at least not until virtual reality is out.

# wow... — Souljaboy56 2010-03-07 12:55

Sony's Arc and Nintendo's Wii Remote are two totally different devices...

+1 # RE: Suda51: Natal is great, Sony's Arc isn't exciting — Guest 2010-03-07 13:12

maybe arc is easy dev. but if you combine the fact that ps3 in general is harder to dev. for

# Natal probably will lose ALOT of customers. — Guest 2010-03-07 15:16

None of us can lie. There are ALOT of fat ass gamers on the X-Box and PS3. Wtih project Natal I'm pretty sure it'll have alot less sales then projected. Fat guys aren't going to want to move alot when playing their favourite COD game.

# Suda — TLC_Nyk 2010-03-07 17:55

You say that now but wait till you have to program for it and find there is no buttons. Grapple, grapple.

# ... — symbal 2010-03-07 20:50

The Eyetoy was the only original idea's Sony's had and that was a complete failure, the fact is Nintendo usually does the innovating then Sony just waits for them to develop the idea and stick it on one of their consoles, i know some people will say oh well Sony had the idea first and were developing it before them, but that's meaningless if they not the first to take the risk, at least M$ is implementing an original and risky idea and if it works of course Sony will take it for theirself.

# as an engineer... — Guest 2010-03-08 03:36

the natal is incredible. i can't wait to get my hands on a dev kit. once i can afford it. thing is, better hardware doesnt make better developers. im sure 90 percent of what comes out for it will be mediocre at best.

# Hmm... — Guest 2010-03-16 16:20

He said a while back he's interested in both.

I think this is a mistranslation.

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