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Sony: Kinect's tech problems are big |
Listed in: Xbox 360 Tags: kinect, Microsoft, news, Sony
Glitches - apart from broken LCDs - have been running rampant since Microsoft's Kinect launch. While these are part and parcel of any gadget's primary launch, Sony believes that these are actually too big to overlook.
"We're not necessarily against Kinect or against depth cameras, it's just we feel like Move has more applicability across more genres so it fits better with what we try to do," said SCE software engineer Anton Mikhailov.
He continues: "Also I think the tech is abit, not so much immature, but not quite up to spec in what we think. Like the PlayStation Eye camera runs at 60 frames per second so it can track you very quickly whereas the Kinect and other depth camera are only 30 frames per second. So they are more suited for slower motions.
Dancing is still kind of okay and then the yoga stuff that they were doing, it fits that very well, whereas if you want to do quick punches it's harder to do that just because you can't see the player as quickly. And there's alos more latency, things like that. So you know, it's not particuarly a sexy result, it's just mostly technological problems."
But some of these "not so much minor" problems with Kinects technology that Mikhailov mentioned would be "the fact that it runs at 30 frames per second insetad of 60". Then they also have an issue with the resolution. "It's a 320x240 camera as far as I've heard and the out-to is 640x480 so neither of those are particularly hot resolutions but you can take what you get."
Via [Videogamer]
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And they want to bring up fps? They should be asking why a lot of their multiplatform games run at 30fps on their console but 60fps for Microsofts.
It sounds like Sony is jealous.
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And I don't know of any game that drops its fps that low on the PS3, and if they're are any, its devs fault for being lazy
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Not new.
At any rate, I'm surprised the specs for kinect are so low. You'd think that M$ would have put some better cameras in there.
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What NEW???
I suggest you read the full interview
http://www.videogamer.com/news/sony_on_why_ps_move_has_greater_appeal_than_kinect.html
I know improving existing things isn't as creative as coming up with new ideas (and people who do that deserve the credit) but when the concept is good but not quit perfect and there is some room for a needed improvements..why not! it's regard vital.
People would says "they just tried to reinvent the wheel"
What I think if no one tried to "redesign" the wheel, our cars nowadays would be just like Flintstones cars.
I just don't know why some people still regard it as something bad and shameful.
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Bottom line I don't care what's new and what's only an improved version ...
Novelty always were off with time....
What only remains are the experiences.
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Adding depth sensing improves upon the camera, it doesn't make it something entirely different.
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Alow me to use your own word from previous post then
I agree with you 100%
But one more thing...
Improving existing things actually considered innovation =P
Quoting symbal:
well Kinect is so hardly designed that it never been HACKED EASILY and never will be.. as we never seen ANYONE write tracking code for it YET???!!.
My point is that it's not about the complexity of the system, sometimes simplicity is innovation too with less system hog.
The wii was the simplest system overall but yet it turn out to be the most innovative one.
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Stop comparing both systems already..they're different.. each one has it's own pros & cons.
I would say they can happily coexist in the same living room.
And I would love to see them get married in a hack =)
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Also, the kinect isn't hard to designed to do anything, its all done on the 360's side.
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That figures, PS Move belongs to Sony and therefore they'll it seem better.
You can't really do a comparison between a controller vs a non-controller device, it's insane.
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helloooooo ... ever of the eye toy ? kinect and eye toy = some concept
xbots are so funny
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and the only reason Microsoft gets anything that's "better" than what's on the ps3 is because they pay off developers instead of having some dignity.
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I'll wait a few months or a year cause there's no hurry.
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Sony DID NOT rip off nintendo. They IMPROVED upon their idea.
By that logic, M$ copied Sony with kinect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EyeToy
So please. THINK before you talk
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hell it might be as prices as Move ,and yet since it uses electromagnetic field it doesn't get affected by light or barriers with its transmitter
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And also, add more games to the PlayStation Store because it's nothing near to the real market.
Yep Symbal, Sony waits for the competitors to release something new so they'll figure how to make it even better.
You see, 3DS is coming out and obviously Sony is going to make PSP 2 much more advanced and powerful than 3DS, at least it's what it's expected.
Please Sony, stop these childish behaviours of yours.
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http://www.qj.net/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=userProfile&user=23563&Itemid=6
I know right? Pretty damn pathetic using a ZERO in my name.
So sad, that pathetic loser will never stop spending all his energy to 1 up me. Yet I find it so satisfying that I affect him on such a grand scale.
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I own both console but I prefer 360 since I'm a FPS type of guy (Got the Keyboard & Mouse plug-in)
I was going to purchase Kinect for my daughters but seeing 30FPS doubts me. I honestly think that there will be a updated version (version 2) of Kinect in time and I think I will wait for that one to come out.
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i dont care what u say, i have both, "Move" is just BETTER!
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Tho you can't say MS copied sony cause that was a failed idea who would copy a failed project not to mention you can only copy something if it is relatively the same, Kinect doesn't use the eyetoy hardware/software its actually IR / cam / Depth no one near Eyetoy specs.
when the eyetoy Which is being used with move to follow a pretty light just like the wii to claim 1:1...
ontopic: it is that they are pissed cause they didn't take a jump that "succeeded" thier last jump with eyetoy failed considerably so they are hating on the kinect, But so far i see no problems with the game or hardware it just takes good coders to overcome alot of troubles!
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I'm not saying M$ copied sony. It was an example. And your right, they IMPROVED upon the eyetoy. And of fucking course it doesn't use the Eyetoys hardware, are you saying the Move uses the Wiis? what the fuck!? The kinects specs are actually very similar to eyetoys actually, 320 x 240 @ 30fps. The only real difference is the depth sensors. Adding those IMPROVED it. The Wiiremote (with motion plus) has an accelerometer and gyroscope. The Move adds depth sensing as well, in the form of light tracking.
How is adding depth sensing to one tech innovation, and adding it to another copying?
Actually the Playstation Eye is being used with the move, which is an upgraded version of Eyetoy (60fps at 640 x 320, I think). And yeah, it "follows the light" and IS 1:1. The combination of the 3 techs involved with move allow for 1:1 motion tracking, you get the exact value of where the controller is and its orintation. Where as the Wii is nowhere near that. The wii on its own uses an accelerometer and IR. the gyroscope with wiimotion plus helps, but it still doesn't make it 1:1. They are not the same. If ninty ever claimed that, they were fucking lying. Please, don't talk hardware when you're clueless about it.
And for fucks sake, he wasnt hating on the kinect, he was explaining the problems he saw with it. He explained why they didn't use kinects tech in the Eye. He pointed out that theres somethings where the tech is sufficient, and others where its not. Thats not hating.
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And move is basically a direct rip of wii, and everyone is surprised that kinect is actually kinda fun. Deal with it...
I have a ps3 and an xbox, and I am waiting to see which motion controller I invest in, and to be honest, at this point kinect looks like it'll be loads of fun when it actually gets some good software. Sony talk about Kinect more than they talk about Move. Just makes people more curious.
Sorry Sony fanboys, but this *is* a new idea and it *is* generating a lot of buzz. Go bitch about it on a sony forum.
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No one's surprised that the kinect is fun. Of course it is. If you have both consoles get both controllers, then decide for yourself which one's better. As for me, I couldn't care less which one is "better". I just get pissed when people say stupid shit like this.
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i did get to see some people playing, what looked like wii boxing, on it and i wasn't impressed. one dude was like "it seems to be more affective like this" while mimicking what we all think girls and gays fight, you know, the whole arms-way-out-in-front-doggie-paddle-don't-want-to-break-nail-thing?
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