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Japanese gamers fire back at IGN's JRPG article

Posted Jan 18, 2010 at 10:00AM EST by Glenn M.

Listed in: PS3, Nintendo DS, PSP, PC Gaming, iPhone Tags: gamer talk

headshot IGN posted a feature last week, enumerating the Top 10 Ways to Fix JRPGS. The article, which criticized numerous elements found in Japanese role-playing games, was met with outrage from the Japanese gaming community. In retaliation, users of 2ch., the largest internet forum in the world, countered with attacks against the Western world's shooters.

Among the things mentioned in the article are linear gameplay, lackluster presentation, and numerous stereotypical features found in many JRPGS. The Japanese weren't too keen on having their games on a chopping board. To this, they replied via the 2ch. forums. Do note that as forum posts, these comments are made by people on the internet - some in jest, some with merit, all pointing to one direction.

"What!? Fallout is the SAME THING! You fight the same enemies, collect the same items... There's no sense of exploring unknown territory or anything. No matter how much freedom the player has, that's all there is."

"Oblivion and Fallout fanatics are exponentially more annoying than any Final Fantasy fanatic."

"Hey foreigners: we find your first-person shooters boring as shit. What do you say to that?"

"When I see all the 'sniping' and corpse-desecrating 'teabagging' going on in US games, the thought of what what foreigners do when they get mad [in real life] freaks me out."

"I'm sorry, but the battle systems in foreign games are totally boring."

"Yeah, like Oblivion's. But I guess it isn't the main focus of that game."

"Japanese RPGs are created for the express purpose of letting one experience the blooming of their full powers from a total zero starting point. They're necessary for keeping public order in Japan."

"Okay, so give us some foreign RPGs that are more interesting than Japanese ones. I just don't find foreign RPGs interesting at all."

"Oblivion's okay, but foreign games lack subtlety. They lack detail, and the character design and stories are bad."

"Americans can't understand complexity so a lot of the best stuff doesn't get translated. Like Megami Tensei!"

"That bit about "The Road Less Travelled?" #7? That's a common complaint... of inexperienced gamers. Like, I felt that way when I was in grade school."

"So sorry, but I LIKE Japanese-style RPGs."

"The real problem with Japanese RPGs is that the storylines aren't written by pros, only gamers."

"Oblivion didn't fare that well here, and Japanese don't really get into real-time strategy games."

"I call 'cultural differences'!"

"Show me an American-made RPG that satisfactorily addresses all of these complaints."

"Do foreign companies even make RPGs anymore? The only games that come to mind are first-person shooter action games. If we followed this 'advice' to the letter they'd have us making Grand Theft Auto clones."

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im english, i fully love jrpg's
its not just about the game with rpgs, its a story, and in my personal opinion jrpg's
are best at it, westerns rpgs theres not much story and when there is its all wars not much imotion, where as in jrpgs,FFX for instance.TIDUS may be idiot at times, but it was the first rpg i ever played, and no other game ever made me so emotional like FFXdid, i cried i laughed it made me sad it made me happy,and its the same with every jrpg i have playedhaving a story where it makes you think about the story.And in jrpgs its supposed to be a fantasy someones dreams the hero the girl friendships the bad the ugly the sexiness cute colourful beautiful art.
where as western yeah some looks good. they are not fantasys like fallout its a waste land after effects of nuclear warheads. nothink looks great about that
and at the end its all for water sure its an experience of what a world would look like. but its not beautifuland the story dont set of eny emotions as you dont get to feel the character in any western rpg's, as in jrpg's you get emotions for all or most characters even the bad sometimes.But this is my opinion and i know everybody is different and i also know western is different to eastern but in the end we are one world all together as one.
By the i played Megami Tensei digital devil saga i thought it was good it was very complexed Magna carter was hard i thought i didn't finish that one
FFX X2 XII XIII ALL STAR OCEANS VALKYRIE PROFILES 1 N 2 JUST TO NAME A FEW ALL OF WHICH ARE IN MY TOP PLAYABLE AND ENJOYABLE GAMES SOME DAY I WANNA DO FFVII, AS ITS THE GREATEST OF THEM ALL RIGHT LOL. I WOULDN'T MISS WESTERN RPGS BUT I WOULD JRPGS

+4 # RE: Japanese gamers fire back at IGN's JRPG article — Guest 2010-01-18 13:24

i have to agree with these people, im in the US but all i see is shooter games. It get boring and boring every game that comes out. i mean Fallout was great but still get boring for me sometime.

# Really? — Guest 2010-01-19 17:42

Then it's obvious that you do not pay attention to what's out there.
American game developers produce more than just shooters, one need only look through an online game store to see that.

# RE: Really? — Guest 2010-01-25 00:51

I love how the ignorant assume that western developers produce "only shooters" these days. I love and enjoy games from both the western and Japanese front (in fact, my favorite genre of games is like 95% Japanese made and it ISN'T RPGs), but the blind will see only what they want to see.

+3 # Thing is... — LeXiO 2010-01-18 13:27

IGN sucks, it just does. IGN back in the days, was a great site, now, it just sucks.

Since it sucks, almost all things related to from IGN sucks. From articles, ro reviews, etc...

IGN just sucks. If you don't understand anything, then don't make such stupid articles. Idiots.

+2 # RE: Thing is... — Guest 2010-01-18 13:51

You're right, LeXiO.

IGN has disappoint me for the past few weeks, I liked them before but now it's.. Different.

# RE: Thing is... — Guest 2010-01-18 18:22

Fact. IGN stopped producing anything useful probably about 10 years ago... Although I could probably say that about any game review publication. I feel that they've all lost the ability to see what actually makes a good game: THE STORY! They're all too concerned with petty crap like graphics and camera angle and trophies.

# RE: RE: Thing is... — Guest 2010-01-19 08:48

I totally agree. I mean graphics shouldn't be awesome to make an awesome game... they just shouldn't be crappy or hinder gameplay.

+1 # i agree — Guest 2010-01-19 18:53

yeah look at mgs1 it had bad graphics and bad camera angles and was such a great game. even today. just like ff7 its amazing.

# ..... — Silver-Tiger 2010-01-18 13:30

There are WRPGs and JRPGs. They're just completely different genres, and people should get that finally.

WRPGs tend to be more free and have an open-world. in their focus is the indiviudal player. YOU are the hero of the RPG. YOU make the decisions.

JRPGs have complex worlds. Mostly they're not as free as WRPGs, but the stories are far more advanced and just have more "soul". You will loose yourself in their world.
In this games, the MAIN CHAR is the hero. HE makes the decision.

I hope you are getting my point.

# totally — Guest 2010-01-20 07:02

I totally agree with that, it's what US and Jap don't understand

As european I find this fight totally worthless, WE don't produce any interesting games, so we're forced to play foreign games everyday, and I must say that Japanese and US games are totally stranges for me

They should also stop speaking about "western" games, but rather US games, because as a western country inhabitant I just don't feel US game culturally "mine".

+2 # RE: Japanese gamers fire back at IGN's JRPG article — Guest 2010-01-18 13:51

"Oblivion's okay, but foreign games lack subtlety. They lack detail, and the character design and stories are bad."

I agree with that one. I can't stand WRPG's mainly because of the characters and story. Most WRPG's characters have no emotion and feel like cardboard stand-ins. Bethesda games are the worst offenders in that category.

# Umm.... — Zhipp 2010-01-18 19:11

Well, can you mention a jrpg(other than ffXIII & Kingdom Hearts0that has detiled characters, where the men don't look like women, thanks. Then I'd finally be able to play something other than TBS JRPGs.

# RE: RE: Japanese gamers fire back at IGN's JRPG article — Guest 2010-01-25 00:54

That's because WRPGs like to let YOU shape the character himself. Let's take Fallout as an example. You define the choices he makes, you can choose to be a saint, an ass, or everything in between. In comparison, a JRPG main character usually forces you to be an overwhelming saint. Insulted by that NPC over there? Sorry, you can't blast his head off. In fact, all you can do is pander to his whims and ask for his forgiveness.

You see? I could simply argue that JRPG characters/storylines are so set in stone they leave no room for freedom of choice, but hey, I'd rather just play the corresponding type of RPG when I want it.

# RE: RE: Japanese gamers fire back at IGN's JRPG article — Derpy 2012-05-09 23:10

That isn't necessarily a problem with the genre as a whole, you've got games with good writing and games with bad writing. Planescape Torment has better writing and characters than any JRPG I've ever played.

+3 # Oh IGN... — Guest 2010-01-18 14:21

You can't spell ignorant without IGN.

# RE: Oh IGN... — Guest 2010-01-18 15:36

LOL

-1 # RE: Oh IGN... — T-Max Blaze 2010-01-18 19:34

Quoting iDiiStrife:

You can't spell ignorant without IGN.

ROFLMFAOL!!!

# Annnd — Guest 2010-01-18 21:19

You've just made my day sir :)

+2 # RE: Japanese gamers fire back at IGN's JRPG article — Guest 2010-01-18 14:34

IGN's article isn't even that well written. A lot of the points they complain about can be said about hundreds of games made by both eastern and western developers - Japan uses too many character archetypes? How many versions of the buff, bald space marine (i.e. Marcus Fenix) have we seen in FPS games by now? And how many actual western RPGs actually utilize online multiplayer without having to "piggyback" RPG elements onto an FPS?

This whole debate is pretty pointless and ignorant.

# RPGs!!! — Zhipp 2010-01-18 19:13

They're talking about how to improve the RPG Genre, not FPS. So your comment is irrelevant.

# RE: RPGs!!! — Guest 2010-01-18 23:37

I was simply putting up some examples based on the "problems" IGN wrote about (character archetypes, single-player-only experience, etc.).

And if you look at western RPGs these days they're becoming more and more meshed with the FPS genre. You can't FIX a genre by simply combining it with another one. The article itself points to games like Fallout 3 and Borderlands, both of which adhere to this.

So is my comment really so "irrelevant"?

# Rt Hon Bastard of Bastardville — Guest 2010-01-19 08:11

Pwned! lol

stick that in your gobby arse and chew it for a toffee!

lol you clamped that gobshite proper!

# RE: Japanese gamers fire back at IGN's JRPG article — Guest 2010-01-18 14:41

At least they didn't raid IGN like a certain "ch" we all know.

# ... — ssouthparkk 2010-01-19 13:47

Ego man! How you doing?

# In fairness to IGN and JPN — dustinfoley 2010-01-18 14:52

The article was pretty good and there were definite ways to combine the two genres successfully.

Im not a huge fan of WRPG but there are features Id like to see added to JRPGS.

Stuff like:
1) more people in every town, people getting upset with you for opening their personal chests. Its doable, lots of JRPGS have already started this...

2) Each town not having progressively better gear/weakest enemies always being near starting city. Again a lot of JRPG have already started this, either by having you synth your weapons or by having enemies level up with you.

3) better voice acting. WRPG are arguably just as bad as JRPG with this. Fallout was about as enjoyable to listen to as an JRPG.

4)New ways to fight. Okay heres my beef. In a country where 90% of the games are shooters that havent really changed in the last 20 years since doom or Quake, I dont think the west has any room to criticize the east. That said, the only real direction an RGP can take to make it unique would be to play like a mini mmo. You go online, get 5 friends and thats your party. John plays the white mage, betty plays the tank, etc etc

However, think of morrowind, was rapid clicking to attack that good? How about fallout, pausing to aim and shoot?

In all fairness to both sides, JRPGs are already starting a lot of stuff on that list, so no need to be offensive on either side

+1 # ... — TheRockness 2010-01-18 15:11

I hate when enemies level up with you. It takes away the feeling of powering up. You feel as though you gained new skills only to marginally improve your character.

# Good points... — Guest 2010-01-18 16:05

1. Yeah, I've always liked KOTOR-style NPCs, although I'd like it if some people actually attacked you for taking their stuff.

2. Already done, yes.

3. JRPGs are absolutely better than most WRPGs in terms of VAing. This is probably because Japan has a very thriving seiyuu industry.

4. This has sort of been done in a non-online setting: Seiken Densetsu 3 (Secret of Mana 2), where up to 3 people can join in at any time by hooking up extra controllers. The 2 other players take control of the AI characters in the player's party.

If it's any plus, SD3 is a Square classic. Look it up if you don't know about it yet.

# and... — Zhipp 2010-01-18 19:16

Choices, my my beef with JRPGs is that I can't do anything, this stupid f*g(excuse my language) makes all the decisions for me... if JRPGs had tat element, they'd be better than WRPGS. But then they'd have to do more work.

Oh, add the Legend of Mana Battle system in there... yeah, perfect.

# RE: and... — Guest 2010-01-19 02:07

"Choices, my my beef with JRPGs is that I can't do anything, this stupid f*g(excuse my language) makes all the decisions for me... if JRPGs had tat element, they'd be better than WRPGS. But then they'd have to do more work"

But if they did that, the main character would lose any semblance of character development, and instead he'd be... well.. You! I can't think of anything more boring than that.

# RE: Japanese gamers fire back at IGN's JRPG article — Guest 2010-01-18 14:53

IGN has obviously never played Monster Hunter

# RE: RE: Japanese gamers fire back at IGN's JRPG article — Guest 2010-01-18 18:27

If they did they wouldn't be putting out ANY more articles... damn that game is addictive.

# RE: RE: Japanese gamers fire back at IGN's JRPG article — Guest 2010-01-19 03:28

I love that game. Your actual experience with the game are the ingame "experience-points". Also; the finding and hunting for components to get a better armour actually helps you "level-up".

Darn shame it's so annoying to get everything setup to play online (costly PS3 or xlink kai which is picky on what WiFi adapter is being used). PSN orso would have been perfect for that game.

# So according to the first one — phiyuku 2010-01-18 14:58

Western RPGs are linear? Well I am not really a fan of Western RPGs myself except for Mass Effect, never really liked Oblivion or Fallout 3. But if you complain about linear gameplay then look at Final Fantasy XIII which they probably played if they are JRPG Fans which has been criticized a lot about its linear gameplay.

-1 # megami tensei — Guest 2010-01-18 15:00

Americans can't understand complexity so a lot of the best stuff doesn't get translated. Like Megami Tensei!"

hey i resent that im american and i love the megaten games i dont but then again i guess most americans do lack complexity for instance my stepdad and all his friends wouldnt even consider playing one of the games i play they cant be bothered with their homo-ish sports game which i can promise him is pretty much the same game as last year and dont even get me started on mw2 gr8 game and story but where the hell is the replayability i demand multiplayer isnt thaaat fun

# RE: Japanese gamers fire back at IGN's JRPG article — Guest 2010-01-18 15:04

4chan is bigger than 2ch

# Shooters, few stand out, JRPGs, few stand out. — Guest 2010-01-18 15:14

In my opinion. both genres are going shit lately. JRPG's are having worse and worse stories as they come out, and less and less innovative gameplay. They're becoming nothing but a grind fest, which would be ok, except for the fact that the mechanics are GOD AWFUL (Looking at you Monster Hunter).

Shooters, also, are losing their passion. Back when Medal of Honor: Allied Assault came out, shooters then were amazing. They had tight controls, and focused on gameplay and immersing you in a feeling of teamwork. Now, it's all "WOOAAH LOOK HOW HARDCORE THESE GRAPHICS ARE!! EXPLOOSSIONNSSS ", and it's really annoying.

It's depressing me how many new games of really ANY genre just don't have the feeling of hardwork put into them. Oh well, there's still God of Wars 3 which will be a masterpiece.

# Really? — Guest 2010-01-18 15:26

Now were talkin about a Thread?.. wow... is this really news? there are thousands of threads about every possible stuff in the internet... common, make news out of all of them!

+1 # wow... — leo9891 2010-01-18 15:38

This makes no sense. You can not compare JRPGs and foreign RPGs together. They are different and each country (Japan and the foreigners) has a preference. In America, we like more war fighting game, proven fact. While in Japan, they like more anime and cartoony things.

Now me, i just don't like RPGs/JRPGs in general. And why are people saying the JRPG Final Fantasy sucks? I'm sure there are plenty of Americans who would like to say different. Anyways, there really shouldn't be or have been any type of comparison between these two types of games seeing as they are from two different worlds.

Now if we were comparing a game that was made in America and ported to Japan, or vice versa, then I would say thats a good comparison. For example, Left 4 Dead (US) looks and is way more better than Left 4 Dead (Aus).

# Guess they never played. — Guest 2010-01-18 17:01

I like how World Of Warcraft wasn't mentioned. Even though it is MMO it is still a RPG.

# bad character design? — Guest 2010-01-18 17:19

i guess great character design is having 4 year old prostitots with super powers and space ships. dipshits.

# re japanese gamers fire back at ign — Guest 2010-01-18 17:29

seriously megami tensei all that is, is just a rip off of a tim burton-esque world. I don't like his movies and i would really not like his games if ever made. which megami tensei is the closest thing too.

# RE: re japanese gamers fire back at ign — Guest 2010-01-19 07:52

You can't possibly be serious. That's like saying Norse mythology is a total rip-off of Valkyrie Profile.

To use a phrase from the BETTER Willy Wonka film: "Stop. Strike that. Reverse."

# RE: Japanese gamers fire back at IGN's JRPG article — Guest 2010-01-18 17:53

I think we're long overdue for a debate on this. I want to see a discourse between the makers of the most popular RPGs on both sides and see if any good comes from it.

# ... — altair460 2010-01-18 18:12

Well japan can choose to be ignorant if they want if there was an arument about this a few years ago then they would have been right

but with mass effect, fable, oblivion, baulders gate,Fallout and many many others out i can say that western RPGs have surpassed JRPGs and thier damn same story of how evil is unleshed and how you must stop it.

FF13 will be the only good JRPG so far this gen.

-1 # wtf? — skidz 2010-01-18 18:28

Glenn, wtf?
Posting news from one of the internets largest dumpsters, besides 4chan?
Taking what a group of trolls, drug addicts, etc have to say about gaming and putting it as news?

New low QJ.

-2 # RE: wtf? — Guest 2010-01-18 18:34

Thumps up for you, skidz.

# ..... — JETFIRE007 2010-01-19 20:36

You just logged out and put that......
and if you dont like QJ...then GTFO!!!!!!!!!!!

people this days.....

# ... — DarkAng3L 2010-01-18 18:35

why are the japanese bashing Americans/ we cant possibly be the only ones making games right? anyways...

Honestly i love rpg/jrpg as much as the next lover of this type of gaming because its simply fun and thats all there is to it for me. like take this game Brave story..everything was so simple yet the way it was presented and how the story was put together made me play it repeatedly...

but then take a game made in the states like Gears or some form of shooter, it normally leaves a bad taste in my mouth and i dont feel like playing it anymore after a couple of days at it. IMO the only rpgs ive enjoyed have to be Okami even if it had a linear story, it was a damn good one...and anyone who has played it can tell you why...but hey this is all up to what you prefer as a gamer.

# ha — ssouthparkk 2010-01-18 18:48

If 2ch's community is anything like 4chan's, IGN better get prepared to get raeped. lol

# I agree 100% — Navani 2010-01-18 20:44

FPS are all basically the same. JRPGs at the very least usually have a great story mode. .hack had the most repetitive gameplay in the world but the plot, man was it amazing!

# old times are always better =) — Guest 2010-01-18 22:47

i really thikn the japanase's games, always have better histories, in the last generation all the american games are no more than take your machinegun an just fucking kill them all, the histories are so poor.
im a old school gamer and a SNES or NES games have more interesting histories than actual games XD

# Brave Gamer Chocobo — Guest 2010-01-18 23:12

I don't like FPS, its only fun play in 1 hour, later are boring has hell. RPGs specially JRPG have really interesting stories that keep you playing for hours. Legend of Mana its excellent and Monster Hunter is a more occidental JRPG but its good.

# IGN sucks — astaroth001 2010-01-18 23:25

They are going downhill, the where so great in the 90's, they make stupid articles like the one: Should Sony Abandon PSP?...those guys think they speak for all gamers in this part of the globe...same goes for gamespot...stupid pair of sellouts

# Most of the problems comes from the US counterparts — Guest 2010-01-19 00:20

As a bi-lingual American living in Japan, I have seem and experienced how "lousy" the localization of Japanese Games and Anime are in the US.

And as a person who has work with localization and have worked as a voice actor for English and Japanese in the past, I can sure say that many of the localizations of games in the US are very bad.

Some of this, is a result of the Japanese Game company trying to do the localization in Japan, to keep control of the game, but many times, it the cheep companies in the US, who have licensed the game from the Japanese companies, and do a cheep (and lousy) localization of the game, without hiring real Voice actors in the US, but using some cheep acting major from the local University.

Sadly, the US does not bother trying to "do a good job" when localizing a Japanese game or Animation, unless it becomes "very" popular, like Pokemon and One Piece, etc... Even to the point that the Director for the Gibri animation film series threatened to exclude the US from all future releases of his film, because of the US' butchering of his work.

Another point that many seem to forget, is that Japan HAS a culture, a culture that has survived, and some story lines just don't culturally translate to the west.

Japan IS a non-western country, with many non-western, and non-Judio-Christian beliefs, and often work off the assumption that the player knows or has heard of these beliefs.

For example, a popular theme for Japanese stories and games, is the enemy becoming friends with the heros. Many Japanese don't understand/dislike the western idea of the Good Versus evil, and even more so, the Anti-Hero hero.
The problem comes, is when these kind of non-Western games go to the West (or vice versa), and the players do not have the same cultural knowledge, the games appear weird, and many can not understand them. And as long as players in the west try to get a hold of games, especially those not made for world distribution, Problems like this will persists.

On a different note though, Final Fantasy XIII is getting blasted in Japan for its single pathed storyline.

# ... — Guest 2010-01-19 02:05

Sounds like a bunch of kids arguing over who's dick is bigger. You like what you like and to each his own.

# hmmm... — Miclowgunman 2010-01-19 02:45

The perfect rpg to me would be if you took oblivion, and made it more like Legend of mana in every way. WRPG are pretty innovative but never have any emotional ties to it. I guess it comes from the Wests desire to want to be different from everyone else. They focus so much on innovation in combat and engine that they forget to develop a proper story(Who else said WTF at the end of Borderlands!) JRPGs are starting to understand innovation more while being able to deliver a strong story most of the time. Its sad when an action games like Uncharted 2 and Mirrors Edge have a much richer storys and characters then any western RPG. Crisis core was the perfect example of an RPG evolution to me. Japan, give us a system we can sink our teeth into, I'm looking forward to White Knight, but still dont know. I think they will get there before the west makes RPGs with strong stories though.

# RE: Japanese gamers fire back at IGN's JRPG article — Guest 2010-01-19 03:34

We have RPGs from the west? Last ones I played were Baldur's Gate 2 and KotoR etc. I've seen a lot of games with RPG elements lately. Even if those games are often very enjoyable etc, I wouldn't call them full blown RPGs in general.

# Oh and this is "normal" — Powerslave89 2010-01-19 08:42

Americans are crazy?
we dont go around marring our video games, or watch cartoons when were adults and teens. sure we made be rude and have a huge problem on our hands with the younger generation but japan cant hold their head above us!!

# Re: — Guest 2010-01-21 00:48

Wth?
What part of the universe do you come from? Where the hell do you read these type of crap stereotypical info? It'd be like me saying all Americans marry there siblings and live in trailer park houses which is obviously WRONG.

Can't hold their "heads" above Americans? They aren't trying to... They keep to themselves and don't care what you're American ass thinks. It's people like you that make THE good/normal American people look bad. And learn how to F*cking spell next time.

# - — APerson 2010-01-19 08:44

I see the parallels between games and TV shows in the US very similar. There really is a giant lack of subtlety and everything comes across heavy handed and obvious. I guess thats what Americans like though.
I play a good split of both though. On the American side I play L4D, Oblivion. Both handled very well by their development teams. On the Japanese side I play FF, their slew of SRPGs. On the UK side I play GTAIV and indie games.

# RE: Japanese gamers fire back at IGN's JRPG article — Guest 2010-01-19 11:08

i do find the meadia outlets like ign are kind of biased(genre based) & they mobi site sucks.

# Anon — Guest 2010-01-19 19:17

Funny how the classic and modern western RPGs were given nary a mention:

Ultima IV

The first RPG to provide something other than a kill foozle ending and years before the JRPGs even gained traction and still provided only kill foozle endings.

Betrayal at Krondor

You want characters and story? Nuff said...

Dragon Age

Fantastic evolution of the western RPG..

These are just a small sampling...

# Oh Yeah? — JETFIRE007 2010-01-19 20:34

We KILL Chinese In FALLOUT 3 b|tches!!!!
(yes i know Japanese are not Chinese)

# ..... — Guest 2010-01-19 21:00

havent they ever played mass effect,dragon age,star wars knights of the old republic,fable 2 (cause the first one wasint all that good),and......nothing else really comes to mind...but in response to the guy who said "fallout is the same thing! you defeat the same enemy and collect the same items"...well the last jrpg i played i killed the same slime....about 100 times!

# your opinion. — Guest 2010-01-26 05:15

If you ain't playing jrpgs for plot, you ain't for playing. And if you're saying wrpgs generally has deeper plot than rpgs, then you're smoking weed. jrpgs tend to focus more on plot and character. From what I've seen, there's much less grinding and item collecting in jrpgs than western ones like Diablo (Diablo is great btw), and less equipment customization and the like. In fact in most rpgs I don't grind at all, I just defeat my enemies on the way. There wasn't many instances where I have to grind before moving on in the game. Western rpgs focus more on "grinding", which I suppose it wrong to use here, since good wrpgs are rewarding. wrpgs more focuses on customizations and options.

In the end, I think they're both great, it isn't worth it to bash either of them, since they're pretty much separate genres themselves.

# mmmm — vizard00 2010-01-19 23:41

guys the name of game is not about GFX but game play , many companies forget this and work hard GFX to hide the game play weakness like ( IW modern warfare 2 ) , JAPana have a old culture in games just watch TV shows to admit it or play new super mario WII to se how a game can be good by only a good design ideas , many western studion deserve respect too like( Naughty Dog , SCE Studios Santa Monica , Turn10 and the past IW of COD4 ) also remember that its hard to love japan games if u dont like anime since anime games and fashion are all a life style over there .

# There hasnt been... — Guest 2010-01-20 15:16

there hasnt really been a good JRPG since Final Fantasy X. Im still angry that Final fantasies lost their world maps...Im not a huge fan of WRPGs. I dont consider them RPGs at all. I think its time we start cranking out the good JRPGs again like back on PSone...

# RE: There hasnt been... — wowwowowow 2010-07-27 01:19

you obviously missed anything on DS PSP and the later era jrpgs for ps2 and the ones for the new genre.

Tales of vesperia - 360
tales of the abyss - ps2
all three disgaea - psp ds and ps3
Eternal sonata - ps3 360

seriously there is hundreds

# come on — Guest 2010-01-20 21:15

Oblivion's story was awesome you got to create ur own character how is that boring Oblivion was an awesome game there really was no reason to complain about it same with fallout

# let's just make this easy — ...... 2010-01-28 10:36

Japanese Games - Suck at some games
Americans Games - Suck at some games
what's the difference? if you think there's a difference, go f-uck yourself, that's not what being a gamer is about, you just play games, no fav systems or game genres, you just play for fun and to kill time, that's what being a gamer is about

# Canadian RPG's are unmatched — Guest 2010-02-23 02:10

Canadian RPG's are obviously the best.
Baldurs Gate
Baldurs Gate 2
Icewind Dale
Icewind Dale 2
Neverwinter Nights
Neverwinter Nights 2
Dragon Age
Mass Effect
Mass Effect 2
Assassins Creed
Assassins Creed 2
The Jade Empire
There isn`t another country in the world that even comes close

# Psh... — rpgdude 2012-05-03 22:55

I've never liked nore trusted IGN's reviews or articles let alone any big name company that game reviews because they don't review it they say what the social media wants to hear, first off, JRPG's have been around for a long time, and if it wherent for them, i wouldn't even be playing videogames, SECONDLY, turn based and turn based tactical rpg games are some of the best type of games, i like getting the time to make my desigion, and formulate a strategy for defeating someone, not just "shoot, shoot, shoot, knife.....grnade.....t bag......" and oh my f****** GODS, cliches, are AWESOME< i love the good ol stories of yore, where its like, "evil king watchamahoozit is attacking the kingdom, theirs a war, try to stop it, then it's like TWIST, evil king is really possessed by evil chancelor/right hand man, whom is a servent of a dark god and he's trying to bring it back, then after that happens, oh snap, chancelor was killed by dark god, your forces have been scattered to the corners of the world, (which in jrpgs areas look VASTLY different and a lot of them look wanderous and awesome, not bland and realistic....) now put in disc two. OH SNAP, you gotta travel the world AGAIN, reunite with your comrades, take down evil generals or bosses that have arisen, save the towns and places, finally figure out that the mystery man throughout the game was your deceased father/brother/uncle/best friend/cousin/master and he joins you, who is wicked in battle btw, and now it's off the the dark real a whole OTHER world we have to explore to save the realm, lets not forget how we enlist the help of demi gods and demons along the way as summons to use in the final battle, and lets not forget the attachment and care for all the fleshed out characters and world, even right down the various religions they all believe in, now the final battle ensues, it is legen, wait for it....DARY!!!! and then, and then, you see an awesome, tear jerking cutscene, four and ahlf weeks if not more later, and now you look over beside your ps1/2/3/nes/snes and you see what, MORE RPGS, with vastly different types of characters, enemies, worlds, weapon types, and stories, sure they share some similarities, but that's like saying a shooter is the same cuz they shoot lol so you pop another one in and their comes yet another glorious adventure into the ageless wanders of myth legend gods and demons and heroes, and the best part is years down the road when you think back on it you can REAPLAY it rpgs FTW

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