Michael Bay: "Blu-ray suits my films better" |
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Outspoken movie director Michael Bay, the man behind the blockbuster movie Transformers, recently commented that Microsoft wants both the HD DVD and Blu-ray formats to fail and that the whole format war is just a diversion to create confusion.
Now he adds in his site that he doesn't care about the war at all (since he can play both formats in his screening room anyway) but that the Blu-ray format suits his films better:
Does anyone out here want to challenge what I feel suits my films better in terms of look. I see every frame of my films over a hundred times before it is ever released. [...] - Blu Ray suits my films better. But that said - I don't a care about this format war because I have both formats in my screening room - I'm just filling you in on what people deep in the film industry feel ultimately is going on -
Transformers looks great even in DVD!!
The post was recounted in the AVS Forum, inquiring whether any insiders would like to comment. It got a reply from Amir, titled as a retired HD DVD insider (circa fall 2007):
- It is great that he has both formats! And that he thinks even DVD looks great. Imagine how much better HD DVD is then (and how it is possible then for something to be better than it!).
- We would be happy to invite him to a screening to show him how incredible HD DVD picture quality is on a proper projector/display. And let him find any fault using his own material.
- Both HD DVD and BD have the same "range." Both are 8-bit products and with 4:2:0 sampling. So the look he describes does not change in that respect no matter which format is used. Indeed we have different encodes of Paramount titles and not a single review that I recall has commented on the range or lighting condition being different on the formats.
- Ultimately though, I personally respect the creative person deciding different things that us engineers. For example, AVC was used on Transformers not because it produced the best fidelity/transparency, but the best look in the eye of the “creative” making the call. And we respect that also, even though it meant our codec was not used at the end of the day.
- The interactivity in HD DVD lets his creativity travel far past the linear movie experience created in theater. That I would think would be music to anyone's ear that cares about creative experiences. BD format is far behind right now in this area so he would take a step back if his wishes came through. We have shown these capabilities to many directors and they can't wait to see their future titles in HD DVD with these features.
- Anyway, I love the fact that Michael is active in forums and stays so in touch with his audience. In that respect, he could say VC-1 and HD DVDs sucks a thousand times and that would still be cool with me. I hope though, that like me, he does allow the possibility that folks posting may teach him stuff about things he may not know. I know that I have learned a lot from your postings
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Now why would mike bay want to go and see a screening with this Amir ( a "supposedly" retired HD DVD insider ) on the picture quality of the HD DVD when he already does, in his own screening room and still considers blu ray the superior format?
What ridiculous statements....
The quality between the 2 is virtually IDENTICLE... he is just spewing nonsense, and not even using any technical merits.
maybe it's because blu-ray has more storage capabilities and its selling better...?!
Bluray adds an interesting plot as I don't remember one featured in that movie. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the effects and humor; but please, Mr. Bay, stick to just directing your mega lackluster movies instead of schlepping tech...
i was wondering what kind of world would consider mr. bay, "world class"...
it's his personal preference and he should stop thinking, or atleast giving the appearance he thinks it's anything more.
BR only suits bloated things better than HD-DVD.
i submit mr. bay's ego as evidence ;)
While it may seem that way, Blu-ray does have the advantage in terms of graphics, as well as Storage space. Blu-ray is winner over HDDVD everywhere other than the states.
care to explain how it selling better affects how movies look?
Well said.
I still watch VHS sometimes. I don't care. Black and white isn't so bad. No sound bothers me though...
...think I'll plug in StarWars and watch it the way God intended... grainy as ***** on my good ole VHS...
...sometimes i've wondered if I woulda kept my SW beta...
Simple fact, more room on Bluray, means less compression, more quality. There's a reason why Transformers the movie with the most dynamic soundtrack this year, couldn't fit a lossless audio encode on HDDVD.
Also you don't suppose Amir could be bias in anyway could you? he is an MS employee after all.
HD DVD supporters keep saying the quality is identicle between the two formats...IMPOSSIBLE! Blu ray has more storage space so there is less compression and higer bitrates for video AND audio. Those are technical facts! That's like saying Bill gates and Oprah are identically wealthy.
Listen sony fanbots there is no stinkin compression used in HDDVD. Quit spurting all these random made up facts about how blueray is better because of size. The quality is EXACTLY THE SAME. There is no freakin tooth fairy and there is no compression on hddvd's. The size has nothing to do with the quality it's the length of movie that will fit on it and extra material. If you want to compair that then fine you have a valid arguement but quit talking about quality you bunch of sony unpaid advertising fanbots.
Size has nothing to do with quality. Please do some freakin research before making up facts. The quality is the same.
Did anyone else think Transformers was a crappy movie? The wannabe humor was such a turn off, but perhaps it was made with little kids in mind.
Wilmheath you don't know anything. Both formats use compression, AVC, VC1, MPEG2, DTS, AC-3, they're all compression codecs. Which one sounds better a 128kbit MP3 or a 256kbit MP3 of the same CD?
Can someone explain to me what this statement means...... "The interactivity in HD DVD lets his creativity travel far past the linear movie experience created in theater." and this one.... "BD format is far behind right now in this area so he would take a step back if his wishes came through." Is there something in HD-DVD that makes a video more interactive than what Blu Ray can produce? I'm not challenging the statement I'm just trying to get clarification since I honestly don't know.....
blu-ray has better reading and has 25 gb but hd only has 15 gb.
Yea but one day those extra 10-13 gigs of the Blu-ray will make a difference.
It doesnt have "graphics" advantage... and teh storage is the SAME now, unless SONY makes a triple layer BD..
Well I've got neither format or a HD TV but I can say this, regardless of how big a disc is, if a movie of equivalent quality fits on a smaller disc. The only time that you're going to need a bigger disc is when you've got much longer movies.
Lets talk about games though for a second though, the blueray format will give game developers stacks of breathing room in terms of the content they can put out on a disc, whilst Microsoft unfortunately refuses to use either HD optical disc technology for there's. This means that for games like blue dragon you've got it on three DVDs which I think is silly.
Back to what Bay is talking about though, there's no benefit (asside from longer movies) to blueray. HDDVD has it over blueray with the interactive menus, the real reason that he loves blueray so much is that he is being groomed by Mr Speilberg (who is an avid blueray supporter), unfortunately Bay is never going to be Speilberg's fart in terms of the quality of films.
Wilmheath obviously hasn't done much homework on these formats, and I wonder if he actually owns either. I own both HD-DVD and Blu-ray and prefer Blu much more, and buy movies on Blu at a 5:1 ratio to HD-DVD. Both formats use compression. That's what AVC (Mpeg4), VC1 (wmv9), and MPEG2 are. You'd need a whole lot more than 30 or even 50gb to store uncompressed HD video. If you've ever made an uncompressed AVI file in Windows, you can see how much space just 1 minute of that takes up, in low resolution. However, when it comes to compression, the less compression you are forced to use, the better. So BD offers much higher potential for space. Fox BD's even advertise on the box now with AVC encoding at 26, 29, 36, and 39mbps. Regardless of disc space, there is a difference in bandwidth that HD-DVD is limited to. A movie can be encoded around 29mbps tops on HD-DVD. It's 40mbps on BD. And, at the 29mbps on HD-DVD, only about 1mbps is left for audio (so that means a standard DD or DTS track only). Even at 40mbps, BD has bandwidth for full-res HD audio. This is why (especially for those like Michael Bay who can afford the largest screens and best projection systems) BD movies will always be superior.
Sorry maybe my post was unclear the way I said it. I meant there is no more compression on the hddvd than there is on the blueray. They are exactly the same quality. Damonous you have some good points though and I do appreciate your well thought our response and you are correct in all your statements as far as I know. I'm referring to the current batch of bluerays and hddvd's and there seems to be a lot of misconceptions going around about them both. Honestly I don't really care which wins I just wish it would happen soon. They both are good formats and when hddvd adds another layer it will have more space than the blueray currently does.(hddvd has already produced working 3 layer discs/readers and blueray has not as far as i know.)
You guys are all wrong. VHS is the way to go xD
what better than a huge analogue magnetic tape which picture degrades in a matter of months ;3
the only reason for bluray is'nt for longer movies!!!
its for extra features such as directors commentary and the extras you get with dvd's, but in HD!!!
so if michael bay wanted to add these things to HD-DVD....oh he can't, hes ran out of storage space to put it on!!! thats most probably what he was talking about when hes on about bluray being more suitable for his films??
I must say though most of the time I couldn't give a f#$% about hearing a director's commentary. It was a gimic early on with DVDs but the last time I listened to a director's commentary I think was probably Contact (and it was just for novelty not because I wanted to hear about it).
both bluray hddvd use compression? i wonder wot a lossless video wud look like and wot cud its resolution be? 4000x3000p?
yeh i c super hd tvs coming in the nxt 10 yrs or so
i still use them for recording. a friend will tape ricky hattons fight tonight. hatton ftw!
Its to bad they have yet to create a format that can make a michael bay script less *****ty. Who cares that you watch your movies a hundred times, they suck and no amount of special effects or technology can repair his catalogue of suck ass movies. U SUCK MICHAEL BAY YOU SUCK SO BAD
I kno u were kidding but I totally F*ing agree. I would take VHS marty S, tarantino, coen bros or chronenberg over hacky bay or paul anderson on bluray any Godamnday.
man...sound to me that Mr. Bay is running low on coke again. I mean really the guy goes back and forth and when it comes down to it who gives a ***** what he says, hes a talentless ass-clown. That said ive never seen any noticeable diff between blu-ray and hd-dvd outside of better interactivity on hd.
Let us not forget the ever so popular beta-max!! :'D
Oooo... and laserdisc...!!! x3
I'd take a 11.8 inch disc that only holds 50 minutes of uncompressed analogue 425 TVL rez video over Blu-ray and HD-DVD's 1080p video any day ;D
I have heard that hd dvd has gone triple layers at 17gig a layer! I also heard that a 10 layer disc process has also been produced by a company called RITEK boosting the storage capacity to 150gb single sided, 300gb double sided on hd dvd and 250gb single sided, 500gb double sided on bluray, but such capacities would not be available for use in commercial players.
Also i have heard from the grapevine ( that is the internet ) that hitachi are also producing a bluray disc with 4 layers per side that CAN be used on current bluray players, thats 100gb single sided, 200gb double sided!
However I cannot confirm that the above is either fact of fiction. You decide.
If you would have shown proof maybe your post would be valid. The fact is Blu-ray is capable of better graphics but not a huge margin. You do know that Blu-ray massive space makes it better for quality. Seriously thats like saying PS3 and 360 graphics are the same, but in the end of the day the PS3 is capable of having better graphics, if used correctly.
Your M.O.M can really suck though :thick:
I think he was paid to say that because he makes less and less sense lately. The movies aren't too long to take more than one disc, use the same types of compression, and are both competing for new features. He even says they look great on DVD.
What a load of Nonsense. The only difference is disc capacity, OK?
Everyone wants proof that the current gen of Blu-ray players can do more than 4 layers, right? well, read this and put your questions to rest.
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId+19493
They are talking about the web enabled functions of the discs. But as we have all seen, Blu-ray is finally releasing BD-Live, which is basically the same thing HD-DVD owners have been enjoying until now.
Come next month though, HD-DVD and Blu-ray's features will be almost identical.
The main difference now is just size, and anyone who has ever done video editing knows that size does matter.
"1st in the Box Office"
"Sales charts for...."
Sales always make a movie look better.
Yeah I don't think anyone here really does.