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Current Blu-ray players won't play extras in future BD titles

Posted Jan 12, 2008 at 11:04PM EST by QJ Staff

Listed in: PS3 Tags: gaming accessories, Sony
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Blu-ray's problems at present - Image 1Blu-ray's certainly making a name for itself on the headlines, mostly with good news all around. There is one bit of news, however, that puts a damper on these proceedings, and it's got something to do with one of shortcomings of Blu-ray at present: future compatibility.

Future compatibility, in this case, refers to the Blu-ray disc player's ability to play future Blu-ray discs. The big problem right now, it seems, is that current standalone players lack future compatibility, and thus, the ability to play the additional features that come with certain titles.

How does this work? Well, imagine you have a BD player which supports Profile 1.0. Your player might be able to play the movie that comes with the Profile 1.1 or 2.0 Blu-ray disc, but it won't be able to access the special features that come with it, such as internet connectivity (present in the upcoming Profile 2.0).

To that end, the Blu-ray Disc Association has decided to place stickers on upcoming releases, signifying whether they have additional content accessible with a Profile 1.1 player using the "Bonus View" sticker or Profile 2.0 capability with the "BD Live" sticker.

There is one side-effect of this though. It seems that there's at least one Blu-ray player out there that is constantly being updated with future compatibility, and also happens to be cheaper than most Blu-ray players. That's right: Sony's PS3 is the in-thing when it comes to compatibility at the moment, which may mean that Blu-ray fans might just buy a PS3 for its ability to play all sorts of content.

We're hoping the different Blu-ray player manufacturers find a way to settle this problem among early adopters of Blu-ray though, because it's certainly going to be an annoyance for the common consumer who wants his money's worth if he can't get everything that he was hoping for in his purchase.



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# hmmm..._ME_ 2008-01-13 00:08
no biggie.



i have a ps3 that sony keeps upgrading software for. :)

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# ...Silver-Tiger 2008-01-13 02:12
That happens when you fastly buy every new technique.



Just wait a few weeks and look f the system is really stable or future-proof.



If you bought it directly from the start, you have a buggy, overpriced system with less features.



Now today Blu-Ray players are more stable, cheaper and have Blu-Ray profile 2.0

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# better to wait! or get ps3!Damanisjon 2008-01-13 02:28
thats why i bought the ps3 too! Imagine I could have comited the fatal error of getting an xbox360 without HDMI for getting it too early.. or the 65nm chip.. or maybe the HDdvd or bluray tray one that is bound to be released!

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# forgive me if im wrong...hush404 2008-01-13 02:42
but aren't all player, hell even TVs able to accept firmware upgrades now-a-days? A simple firmware update and bam, you've got your problems solved.

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# Damanisjon...Unregistered Gamer 2008-01-13 03:19
...don't turn this into a PS3 vs 360 arguement please. We have enough of those already. :) (BTW, the 360 will not have a built-in HD-DVD or Blu-ray drive in future. Those that think so simply don't understand technology ;)).

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# Speaking of 360...Techni 2008-01-13 05:55
The 360 HD DVD player doesn't support web features (such as those in Transformers)



Nor will HD DVD play future discs at all :P

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# You are wrong, but forgivenSembazuru 2008-01-13 06:51
The differences in specifications aren't simply solved by changes in programming. There also needs to be hardware to back it up. All profiles require 64KB of "persistant" memory, but BD1.1 adds a requirement for 256MB of storage memory. BD2.0 ups the hardware requirements by requiring 1GB of storage memory and internet connectivity.



If, as an early adopter, you bought one of the early BD players, you may not have the required hardware available to get up to 1GB of storage or internet. While, yes, it is conceivable for a firmware update to add codecs or PiP features, it can't magically make an ethernet port appear on the back.

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# Sony knew this was going to happen but didnt care.yworob 2008-01-13 07:42
As far as movie formats go HD-dvd players (not the 360 one) wouldn't have this problem because current players can already play all the special features. Movies dont take up 25 gigs so the extra storage space on a blu ray disk doesnt matter. But for PCs and video games the extra storage space is a huge deal. Toshiba waited to long to heavily promate HD-dvd and the fact that Microsoft hasnt fully supported it really kept retailers from having enough confidence in them. Sony was never going to lose this format war because of the PS3, all Toshiba could hope to do was forge a tie somehow. Personally, I resent Sony for starting this format war in the first place because they helped develop HD-dvd with Toshiba but they just got greedy. That greed looks like its going to pay off for them but it has hurt us, the consumers, as well as movie studios and retailers.

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# ..Annony 2008-01-13 13:32
LOL at idiots that paid $500+ for the HD-DVD format that Warner Bros Studios just killed with a stroke of a pen.



Besides, the old Blu-Ray players aren't 'incompatible' as in 'can't play new movies', just crippled by a few new features. They'll still play the movies that come long after HD-DVD has gone the BetaMax route.

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# To Sembazuru1stcoolkid 2008-01-13 17:22
...The PSP did. After they rolled with Firmware 2.00 it magically got a internet browser.

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# retardTheChosenCheif 2008-01-13 20:11
360 hd player does allow you to access web content.

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# driveDamanisjon 2008-01-13 21:45
what ya on about..??? dont understand about technology..??? if the xbox360 has an external hddvd drive.. why cant that drive go internally? I think it is you who doesnt understand technology... I dont understand why this post is even a bit of news.. people whom bought 720p tvs cant use 1080p.. people who bought 1st gen i pods cannot use stuff that its in the new gen i pods.. people who bought the first xbox cannot use stuff that the new ones have.. you might get a bmw today.. the same model tomorro might have better suspension.. or radio...

whats the point?? everthing in life is like that.. technology evolves.. and you get stuf with out of date producs... so ..whats the issue?

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# No my friendUnregistered Gamer 2008-01-14 05:02
"what ya on about..??? dont understand about technology..??? if the xbox360 has an external hddvd drive.. why cant that drive go internally? I think it is you who doesnt understand technology.."



Firstly, don't this all so seriously, I put the smiley there for a reason. :)



However, there IS logic behind my comments.



MS are not going to replace the DVD drive in the 360 with a SLOWER Blu-ray or HD-DVD drive. That's right, slower. The fastest HD-DVD drives read DL DVDs at half the speed of the DVD drive in the 360, and Blu-ray is similar in terms of DVD performance. The current HD-DVD drive for the 360 is even slower (which doesn't matter because it's ONLY for movies, not games).



You will only find better performance from hybrid drives (which include laser heads for each type), but MS are certainly not going to be including the more expensive hydrid drives in the 360 when ALL the games will be released on DVD only! (It's a games console first).



So until a non-hydrid HD-DVD or Blu-ray drive is available which matches the 360's current 12x dual layer DVD performance at an acceptable price, then the 360 will continue to have an internal DVD drive with HD-DVD (and perhaps Blu-ray later) as an add-on.



Is that clearer now? :)

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# ^^^Correction:Unregistered Gamer 2008-01-14 05:05
The first sentence should have been ...



"Firstly, don't TAKE this all so seriously, I put the smiley there for a reason. :)"

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# this should be easythe by 2008-01-14 10:03
just stick the profile firmware update for the standalone bluray players on to the movie disks???!!!



if it can be done for the ps3 it should be easy enough to implement an update for standalones, afterall these standalone players are just pc's in dvd clothing!!!

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