Blu-ray takes the victory in Europe |
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Not too long after Blu-ray discs reached the 1 million milestone, Blu-ray.com reports that Sony's high-definition format extended its dominating hand to Europe.Less than two months have passed since the PS3's release in Europe, and Blu-ray has already taken over HD-DVD in the sales race. 64% (and rising) of the high-def movie sales is owned by Sony, with a ratio of 3-to-1 against Microsoft.
Top executives went as far as saying that there is no format war outside the US: Blu-ray takes the cake hands down. It's not difficult to imagine that European sales will come close to Japanese numbers, where 96% of HD movies sold are Blu-ray.
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Hahahah.. BluRay ftw... Microsoft is a bunch of no talent ass clowns anyways :)
Let's take this generation to HD...
PS3 owners are already set with the winning HD format.
Here in Australia Blu-ray is everywhere, I doubt the average person has even heard of HD-DVD! I hope Blu-ray wins purely because it has more space, well also cause I own a PS3!!
i mean XBOX owners might not need a Blu Ray right now. But its not bad to have it available in your Next Gen console too ASAP! atleast PS3 owners are already set in the years to come.
so its nice to hear that Blu Ray had pickup up the sales against HD DVD as what i had predicted since 2005.
Why is this a victory against Microsoft? MS doesnt really lose much in this. Sony does, however benefit from Blu-ray becoming moer widely accepted.
MS does lose quite a bit since they have invested alot of support in the HD DVD format.
If HD DVD fails, thats one more reason Ms wont drop the price of the Xbox360 to make up for the loss.
Remember, Microsoft is still recouping the dept from the original Xbox, Software Development for the Xbox, Xbox360, software development for the Xbox360 and HD DVD drives.
In the last gen, only Sony and Nintendo made a profit from the consoles. Microsoft is still the only one who didn't profit from last gen.
This is great news! So now, 360 Fan Girls, tell me again what is the freaking point of having a HD DVD drive ? Soon, you gonna get nothing to watch on it !
The PS3 is expensive, yep, but for the price of a bluray player (allowing to play, you know, the WINNING format) you also got an amazing next gen console!
Go on Sony !!!
Ps: I would love to see the extinction of the 360 because they run F@H !!!
Toshiba is behind HD-DVD, microsoft simply supports the format.
Hes exactly right. MS gaming division is in deep ***** actually. They have a greater loss than Sony.
Plus they only wagered on HD-DVD because it was another chance to make an attack on Sony. And the possibility of winning the format war would mean they would throw Sony out of the competition, I geuss Sony made a smart investment in Blu-ray.
your wrong there buddy, how many hd-dvd drives has microsoft sold branded in their name? millions to go with the xbox 360 which are 360 specific and dont work on anything else. you really aught to think before you speak moron. microsoft is gonna have to release a new black rip off blu ray drive now and im gonna throw it in my 360 friends faces.
Namely in 2 technologies, that of HDi, which is the programming language for all the interactive menus and special features, and VC1 which is basicallly WMV9.
Ps3 help BR because who bought a Ps3 see and buy BR.
BR increase its presence in market and many people choose a cheaper player for HD (Ps3).
So this is a circle and MS know this
Cool. This is also Blu-Ray movies too, not Blu Ray discs which would count games, right?
Anyway, Im glad they're winning. Why would anyone choose less space? I dont get that. Also, whats MS going to do? They're going to have to switch to an HD format sooner or later, are they going to make their own or something? Or should I say, pay someone to make "their own" for them
This was an inevitable outcome from the beggining, why pay the same and get less space and features? Thats why Blu-ray is superior and it has the next gen format vib as opposed to HD-DVD which feels like a beefed up DVD.
Something I dont get is that we all know what Microsoft means they can buy a continent if they wanted..why dont they buy out Sony and get it over with once and for all....????
Just joking here...
I guess the Wii has won the next generation of gaming in Europe, Japan and USA because it's outselling the PS3 by more then 3 to 1.
I'd hardly declare the war over. Blu-ray is yet reach mass-market. The format that will win will be the first one with a player that can be picked up for less than US$100/€100. Although the PS3 is greatly improving Blu-Ray's chances of success (while Blu-Ray is inhibiting PS3's chances), it won't come down to a seriously competitive price for at least another 4-5 years.
Personally, I think the next dominant video format will be digital distribution, but there will always be a place for physical media.
cause ur a moron...
so far with 16 comments here no one has mentioned anything about the XBox 360 or the Nintendo Wii... there is mention of Microsoft but that is part of the article too as well as the PS3 for obvious reasons...
go take ur insecurities and idiotic out of context comments somewhere else... not everything is a console flame war.
Also, 64% is more like 2-1, not 3-1 (which would be ~75%)
Also, 64% is more like 2-1, not 3-1 (which would be ~75%)
We won't go digital downloads for another 10 years, when it becomes instantaneous. Even then, large businesses like blockbuster will still be renting optical media. It'll probably be 20 years before that is phased out completely..
As for bluray, you are an idiot. Winning now is what is important, as support for the lower selling format will decline fast. This isn't 2002, it doesn't take a $100 player to win a battle like this. People have a hell of a lot more money, and buy multiple thousand dollar tvs in a growing percentage. Those people have NO PROBLEM dropping 300-500$ for a movie player, that fully utilizes the hd set they just bought. When you hook up a ps3 to a big 1080p set, and watch a bluray movie for the first time, it is STUNNING... Nothing compares to it. People can afford that kind of item now. The $100 walmart shopping trailer park ass holes are not the ones who decide what formats win and lose...
read the link next time...
Blu-ray has gained a 64% share on the year, and consistently outsells HD DVD weekly. Specifically, last week's data shows Blu-ray having a weekly sales ratio 3-to-1 over HD DVD
So don't ALWAYS assume that qj is fully wrong, although for the most part they are idiots
Sorry couldn't help it. I love turning the all your PS3 fanboy logic around on you all.
Timmy has more brains then anyone else that has posted here.
Look at you pathetic little puppets.
Blu Ray says they won, so it has to be true!
How many times have they done this s*it?
From the article:
"For many months, top executives from Blu-ray exclusive studios have claimed that there is no format war because of how well Blu-ray is selling outside of the United States. Their comments have now been backed by data suggesting that Blu-ray in Europe may soon rise to the popularity it has in Japan (where Blu-ray owns 96% of the HD movie market)."
Japan is the only region the PS3 is not dead last, so it makes sense. They don't have any games to play there either. It's not the center of the universe. Where did this convienent data come from? Oh yes, their greedy expectations, backed by a firm layer of lies.
I'll report back when I can find a credible article on the sales. It fails to say how long sales have been better, so it probably wasn't long and is solely due to bored PS3 owners with no games to play on their overpriced console.
at least microsoft didn't sucker people into buying a product they don't want, unlike Sony who made people pay for Blu-ray. 1 year from now better blu-ray player/burners will be in the $150 mark and you paid $600 for a player only, and you will have to buy a separate one because you are gonna want to burn. Anyways enjoy your blu-ray player.
Blu-ray.com
Why should I believe them?
Don't want? I did.
Not only is the qj title a misleading lie, check out this article from only one month ago:
http://www.techshout.com/hardware/2007/21/hd-dvd-gets-the-upper-hand-over-blu-ray-format-in-europe/
35 movies on HD-DVD vs 10 on blu ray?
but the blu scam association says blu ray already won! WITH 10 MOVIES, only 2 weeks of better sales (deja vu, like the s*it they pulled in north america.)
Also, the Matrix trilogy was released exclusively on HD-DVD this week. All blu ray gets is disney movies. The HD-DVD releases are getting good, blu ray already released most everything they could find to try to get an early lead.
Remember disney also lied and said there is no format war outside of north america?
Japan is probably the only country blu ray is guaranteed to win.
qj, please quit posting misleading lies for titles.
If you're a PS3 Fantard, of course you welcome any good news for your failing console.
Personally I dont think digital distribution will be a dominant video format for a long time. Yeah in a few years more and more people will start using digital distribution but it will take a very long time before it becomes dominant. Currently very few people in the US has internet connection faster than 1.5 mbps and besides that not everyone is willing to wait for hours for an hd movie to finish downloading. That format wont pick up until at least half the population have internet connections faster than 8mbps, and that could take 10 years. Examples, look at the 360 movie download service, how many people have used once or twice, 1 million perhaps, how many use it regularly, I bet very few people. Also the fact that many many people still dont even have a digital tv, tells you that such a transaction could take a long while.
isn't this the same as normal console price drops..
You buy your 360 at 400 bucks during the launch period and 3 years later you can buy em for 250
The only thing sony can do right is make TVs.
They lost 2 billion dollars last year.
Sony needs to stop making "game consoles" and laptop batteries if they want to make money again.
wait until Star Wars is released on BlueRay, and every one will re-buy the trilogy :LOL (like me
this will creat such a boost in sales, that will probably make HDvd the loser.
MS will probably release a dual format add on eventually. If not I will wait and buy a stand alone dual format player. You will always be stuck with just blu ray.
I can get any movie I want on DVD for now, and my 360 upconverts the output to 1080p.
Oh no I'm missing out on a slightly sharper picture, wahhhh!!!!!
you are such a bafoon on so many levels that it is pointless for me to talk any sense too you.
By the way...what Crap60 are you on?
3,4,5.....
You are here constantly...clearly you not only have issues but the more defensive you are the more pathetic you become.
I will not release my Star Wars movies on any next gen format for at least 3 years....why? Because I can....and because I am an *****leoooooooo
I am the bestist script writer ever and I rule.
That was one of the key selling points for me. You clowns keep using that argument but I don't buy it! I have a big HDTV and I want to watch HD content on it. After copious amounts of reading and research I felt BD would be the winning format. It looks more and more like I was right every day now. Next-Gen games and HD movies + A Winner for the PS3. Your argument is lame and holds no truth.
You sure have no idea what the hell is going on do you. Microsoft has been selling a lot more consoles but they have actually lost more than Sony seeing as how their entertainment division is 5 billion dollars in the hole. When Sony drops the price and the upcoming games hit the market , Sony's position is going to start changing in these console wars.
They had better sales for 2 weeks in Europe moron. One month ago, HD-DVD had 85% of the HD movie sales. This temporary sales surge is probably due to dumping a lot of releases on the market at once, with a conveinent victory announcment ready.
Of course, that's all the blu ray association needs to declare victory. Qj agrees, because they are run by PS3 fanboys.
I think those fantards that post low brow insults and boast how they can blow money on whatever they want (who probably have $15,000 credit card bills) at will are really smart.
I'm being extremely sarcastic.
blueray isnt sony
hddvd isnt microsoft articles like this misinform more then they educate
If you want to act like a true PS3 fanboy, you have to use a name like Quixand has a finger in his ass or Quixand is an ASS HOLE.
Only then can you truly imitate how retarded and desperate a hardcore PS3 fanboy is.
Look, he's already here, how ya doing?
This coming from someone who posts on PS3 news articles and ONLY supports MS. You're clearly a misinformed child who is the only "fantard" since your OWN words prove it to be. You really need to move on and grow up.
HD-DVD will not fail, nor will blu gay. They are both too well established. There will probably just be dual format players in the future.
Looks like someone just won't believe truth when the proof is right there...you truly are a child aren't you.
Man it must really bother you to be wrong so much.
Even though I own a Ps3, here's what I think:
Sony cheated, they used the Ps3 to get Blu-ray into the market. Blu-ray is actually a better investment because of the space, you cannot increase the space other than creating more layers on a disc, which if blu-ray does, it can reach higher than HD-DVD, but some people complained that HD-DVD can write and read faster, well we can update the drives now can't we? But not the space. Sony used smart tactices to overcome the market, which I loved when people said "HD-DVD 3:1 Blu-ray" LOL, yeah that was before Ps3.
blu-ray doesnt have more layers then hd-dvd, the holes are smaller so there fit more on the disk.
If you want to try to turning logic around on someone then try it with somebody that posts something logical. Instead you troll around looking for someone with a ignorant post to harrass. So what are you really looking for? Is it attention? Is it to vindicate your decision? Are you attempting to look smarter at the expense of a fool? That is not an accomplishment worth claiming.
BTW, one more question. Do you ever have anything logical to say or is it all unintelligent babble?
I agree with Devise. I wish you would just look at the sales figures! Sony "ships" a Blu-ray player in every PS3. Even though the PS3 is not selling, it's still selling better than either standalone HD-DVD and Blu-ray players.
Plus the Wii is outselling the PS3 3:1 and incresing, so that basically defeats your point anyway +)
Oner001 is totally unbiased so you can trust him.
LOL
I'm a brainwashed PS3 fanboy.
Like the misleading, lie infested, self degrading article I wrote after accepting a large cash bribe from my friends at the blu ray association?
the 360 does upscale movies too 1080p. It looks pretty good but it's not nearly as good of a picture as a PS3 with a blu-ray movie
Sony makes the Vaio. Vaio is a PC. PCs use Vista. Vista is MS.
Dont forget why MS wanted to get into consoles in the first place. To protect the PC.
okay, pay more for another dual format add-on so i can laugh at you on the price you paid for all that stuff compared to my expensive ps3.
Matrix is koo. Bluray will get that later. And Bluray released almost everything already? NOPE. They have 7/8 movie studios. Disney and Fox are waiting for BD-J to be complete before dumping all of their movies on bluray.
HD-DVD releases are getting good? With the Matrix? and what.... Heroes? If you say they are getting good, I have a strong feeling there are A LOT of bluray titles that you wish you had but cant get for HD-DVD. and do go saying you dont really like the movies that bluray offers.
there isnt any good news from HD-DVD.com... maybe except their sale for $100 off and 5 FREE movies.
You're right! You are missing out on a sharper picture (and better sound). I'd be crying too, if I were you.
Sorry, this comment was directed at Mr Common Sense's earlier comment.
To Mister Common Sense
If you want to buy a stand alone Blu Ray in the near future that would be fine. But when are you planning to buy it 2 yrs from now? 5 yrs from now?
How much is a stand alone Blu Ray today?
2007 year - $1000
2008 year - $650-1000 (maybe)
2009 year - $500-650
2010 year - $400-500
2011 year - $300-400
2012 year - $200-300
2013 year - $200-300
2014 year - $100-200
for additional $200 i wont wait until the year 2014 just to buy a stand alone player. sorry to disappoint you but when did a console became a success using a add on. remember what happened to the PS2 when SONY decide not to include the Online Network Adapter and a Hard Drive. the online was not that successful. for me Blu Ray is for gaming...movie is just an added bonus. just my 2 cents
how is the WII outselling the PS# 3:1???? the ps3 has about 3.3 million units sold while the wii has around 7 million. im not great at math but im not stupid enough to see that its around 2:1. Also lets not forget that every wii game looks just as good as a gamecube game and the only games they have which sell are mario games oo and zelda sorry
I can prove I am unbiased unlike you and Mister UNcommon Sense. Just go to Afterdawn.com and you will see a huge section for console gaming....I am a great part why that is there and have been a moderator for over 5 years ACTUALLY helping people with their consoles.
You nor this other misinformed person who ONLY post to bash ANYTHING Sony are the ones who cannot be trusted....
Blu-Ray even uses the same LASER wavelength as HD DVD... The big difference is improved focusing.
Blu-Ray had been originally designed prior to any of this HD DVD nonsense by a number of partners (Sony, TDK and others, including even MS and Toshiba) as the next step after DVD. Then Toshiba got too greedy and decided to betray their partners and rush an inferior and cheaper format, HD DVD, into the market.
Anybody who thinks that HD DVD is "righteous" or "better for the consumer" needs to have their head examined.
bottom line is blu-ray has more potential than HD-DVD, I want blu-ray to win ... and yes I have a X360 for games (has the best games). I will not buy a ps3 for blu-ray because it doens't make sense, I will wait and get a player/burner for a lot cheaper. As far as games go, X360 has the best games hands down, when the ps3 starts using the cell to it's fullest potential maybe that will change, and then maybe I will consider the purchase. People have to stop this stupid fanboy calling crap and stop supporting companies that could care less about them. I have many systems and I bought them because they had a large selection of games and right now the PS3 doesn't.
PC > consoles
The REAL Scam:
The technologies behind HD DVD and
Blu-Ray are nearly identical. Blu-Ray even uses the same LASER wavelength (hence, same kind of LASER diodes) as HD DVD... The big difference is improved focusing.
Blu-Ray had been originally designed prior to any of this HD DVD nonsense by a number of partners (Sony, TDK and others, including even MS and Toshiba) as the next step after DVD. Then Toshiba (along with notorious back stabbers Microsoft) got too greedy and decided to betray their partners and rush an inferior (harmed by lowering of manufacturing costs) and cheaper format, HD DVD, into the market.
Anybody who thinks that HD DVD is "righteous" or "better for the consumer" needs to have their head examined.
You're the puppet.
The good news at blu ray.com is what they made up. I guess lies sell. It's easier to make money dishonestly than honestly.
Also Oner001 all you do is bash MS. I've never seen you say anything positve about them in the least. Proof my ass you are a dumbass fantard like the rest.
Yeah you help people buy YOUR console of choice. Tell them how bad they need that blu ray player and that the format war is over and blu ray already won. Then tell them the PS3 has a good game selection and you are still not bored with the same 2 games.
Nobody is unbiased so don't act like it.
Just try to make some sort of intelligent (truthful) argument for once.
Man, I just checked on the movie "the Queen." The story of the queen of England. Damn! Available only on blu ray!
Yeah they got all the good releases. [sobbing quietly]
I've never heard of blu ray in Austrailia
My Vaio runs Sabayon.
... at least until something else comes along... which may be a long time since blue light is about the narrowest bandwidth of light. The next best would probably be violet light but who knows if it will be used for future media content since it is somewhat close to the blue spectrum and bandwidth is somewhat the same. I remember though when cd and dvd came out and people were talking about blue light as the future and here we are.
lumisi, I salute you.
Disregard brands and agendas, and behold a simple fact: 25 >15. But there are too many retarted people to realise the simplest truth.
wtf are you talking about, "sony cheated, they used ps3 to get Blu-ray into the market" hahahhaha sony didn't make blu-ray by themselves and how is it cheating if they are selling their own product to promote it to sell more... isn't that what your suppose to do, so your also saying that microsoft is cheating by selling xbox 360s and getting them into the market so wii and ps3 cant win? just because hd-dvd sucks and hasn't won
even if here in Europe Blue Ray wins, it's probably those stupid Americans that will decide what format will win. !!
Europe has always been unimportant to the big wigs, even if $ony says the Europe is important to them, they lie
HDV PWNS ALL!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc
Haha BLU-RAY rocks! It's kicking hd-dvd's butt all over the place! That teaches a lesson to all those haters saying adding blu-ray in PS3 was a mistake.
Once BR it's been established as the only next-gen format, PS3 will gain the some advantage as PS2 did with a dvd player.
LOL PS3 owners are so eager to grab any news, if its bad they say its bull if its good(no matter how true) they are all over it, pathetic really.
Console sales of the PS3 are almost ZERO and as for Blu Ray built into a games machine ! hmmm how on earth are you going to have the same picture quality of the Dedicated Blu Ray and HD-DVD hardware when all that other stuff(noise/interference) is happening in the PS3? NO WAY!!! its like having a cheap all in one stereo and trying to compete with quality Hi-Fi separates the seperate Hi Fi will ALWAYS win, built in a games console Blu Ray will always be inferior, but anyway at least you have something to hang on to, oh I nearly forgot at least in Germany the PS3 shifted more than 100 units last month but thats about it.
The true site for all your BD releases
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?show+nowavailable
Eventually M$ is gonna have dump hd-dvd and offer a blu-ray addon, for which they will pay Sony royalty! +D
PS3 Fantard, your mom gives nice blowjob.
at least ps3 doesnt have crappy dvds with 9gbs, what would you rather have, more space or less space
Your information is unfounded with absolutely NO proof that I "bash" MS or ONLY help sell PS3...If so then why do I have every console from an original green screen GB to a 360?
I bet you never even went to aD...whatever my actions on that site speak MUCH louder than your words...even my own here. Funny how I can prove what I have contributed to the scene and yet people STILL won't admit nor believe it!
It just goes to show the kind of person they really are....and who actually is "fanboyish".
Mr Common Sense, everytime I f(ck your mom she gives me a cookie, and I've become fat. So now I'm f*cking your sister to lose that weight. She's a tight little wh0re, and she doesn't give me any cookie.
My laptop runs Ubuntu. Way better than XP or Vista, IMHO! The point is that it was purchased as they almost entirely are with an OS that I did not own! You see what you are paying for is a license to use it on one PC. You never own it ever, Micro$oft does! When was the last time you saw an ad for a new PC or laptop advertised as preinstalled with the latest linux system? You don't because they are all preinstalled with Vista now.
That is the simple truth!
nearly all the major movie studios have moved to blu-ray
Mr Common Sense, go suck a 360.
your right lol but there is no need for that in the entertainment market today, for buisnesses etc. then thats good for the,
Blu Ray and HD-DVD means nothing, DVD9 is in almost every house in the world and by the time it leaves Blu Ray will be just a fading smelly old fart, down loadable content etc will win the next generation from dvd9, not crappy Blu Ray or HD-DVD
My HMDI 250 gig recordable DVD9 lets me record almost a whole days worth of tv for the massive price of 150$, how much can your Blu Ray record ?, and quality well my dedicated dvd9 HDMI player/recorder is proberly just as good as your noisy built around a PS3 system to.
And its interesting how Samsung (formally Blu Ray)but now now gone dual format looks like they have no confidence in either of those two formats either....
lol you say ps3 sales are almost zero, well last month im sure it said 2 million sold, hmmm this month it's now saying 3 million wow i wonder what that means, does that mean they went up or down duh even if you say that isn't much sold well look at the xbox 360 worldwide sales... ah wow still 10 million good god how long has it been at 10 million i think i even saw it go down to 9.7 million sold because of some thing microsoft did and said they sold 10 million just to get their 10 million deadline
YOU DO RELIZE THIS NEWS IS JUST FROM A SITE CALLED - BLU RAY.com right, !!!!!!!!!!!!!..
Looks like the site they got this news from could be slightly biased eh -
BLU RAY.com
Not Blu Ray and HD-DVD.com or anything like that so I wouldnt take to much notice of it..
Your lies are proven wrong right here.
http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/19/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-state-of-the-s-union-s-division/
and here also:
http://www.projectorcentral.com/hddvd_bluray.htm
HD-DVD was approved by the official DVD forum (companies who developed DVD) in 2003. The DVD forum was started by the major electronics companies behind DVD to make sure compromises were made to ensure things like compatiblity and competition between partners wouldn't harm the format. The purpose of the DVD forum was to prevent future format wars like VHS vs. betamax.
Sony did not propose the blu ray format to the DVD forum for official approval. The DVD forum could not approve or deny it because it was never submitted! Also since the DVD forum was not involved, the blu ray format is still incomplete and compatibility issues with older players are inevitable.
Sony wasn't happy getting a peice of the DVD pie, they had to have the whole pie. They didn't care about supporting a single, consumer freindly format like with DVD since they didn't bother getting approval. It's all about the $$$$.
"Then Toshiba (along with notorious back stabbers Microsoft) got too greedy and decided to betray their partners and rush an inferior (harmed by lowering of manufacturing costs) and cheaper format, HD DVD, into the market."
You must have totally pulled that comment out of your ass because you have no source, and I couldn't find anything to back that up. Blu ray did begin development in 1995, but Toshiba, NEC, and Microsoft were not involved in any way.
You don't know what you're talking about, puppet.
Na dann erzähl mal wo du deine verkaufszahlen her hast? drecks noob...
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your comment is just too stupid to comment it...
HD-DVD was approved by the official DVD forum (companies who developed DVD) in 2003. The DVD forum was started by the major electronics companies behind DVD to make sure compromises were made to ensure things like compatiblity and competition between partners wouldn't harm the format. The purpose of the DVD forum was to prevent future format wars like VHS vs. betamax.
Sony did not propose the blu ray format to the DVD forum for official approval. The DVD forum could not approve or deny it because it was never submitted! Also since the DVD forum was not involved, the blu ray format is still incomplete and compatibility issues with older players are inevitable.
Sony wasn't happy getting a peice of the DVD pie, they had to have the whole pie. They didn't care about supporting a single, consumer freindly format like with DVD since they didn't bother getting approval. It's all about the $$$$.
Sony is all about screwing both companies and people. Just ask the friendly folks at Lik Sank what they think of sony. If you don't know, they were a Honk Kong importer that sold Japanese PSPs to Europe. Now $ony sued them out of business, simply for selling their own products.
I don't care what any player that you have upscales it's resolution to. It is only taking a 720x480 picture, running it through an algorithm, and trying to guess what it originally looked like. It will never be a truly HD source so stop saying that it will.
On the other hand BD starts HD and stays that way all the way to my HDTV. It is an apples to oranges comparison.
its funny how you guys always bring up the queen. check the ratings of the bluray.
even though i personnally would not watch it, it still scored a 4/4.5 stars our of 5. now take a look at The Game....or The Jerk on HD DVD. [Sobbing out loud]
HD-DVD (AND BLURAY for that matter) should never score 2 stars out of 5.... EVER.
no major studios have changed their support in the last year for either format, gtauk.
Universal is still HD-DVD exclusive, with most major studios supporting both besides bi*ches fox and disney.
I don't know why I continue to refute your ignorant and factless claims. Maybe because you are so easy to prove wrong simply by stating one or two actual facts.
Excerpted from Warner Bros full press release located @ http://www.burnworld.net/06198/the-matrix-trilogy-to-be-released-on-hd-dvd/ :
The Matrix Series on HD-DVD is the definitive and ultimate film compilation for the ultimate hi-def format, plus will no doubt make the ultimate Father´s Day gift for sci-fi film lovers. The Ultimate Matrix Collection will be available for $119.99 SRP and The Complete Matrix Trilogy available for $99.99 SRP. Order due date for all is April 17. Blu-ray Disc versions of both collections will be released later this year.
Anything else you care to say?
Remember Lik Sang!
Mircrosoft really has no taste, I don't mean that in a small way. I meant that on a big way
You self-important prick, even that old engadget article from 2005 proves your bull*****.
"The ongoing peace talks between the two camps, which have been on-again, off-again for months now, seem to have finally dissolved."
Articles referring to this have lead me before to believe that Toshiba, TEC, etc. had interest in a single HD format. Of course I was wrong, neither side ever was.
"Sony wasn't happy getting a peice of the DVD pie, they had to have the whole pie."
OOoooh, TEH 3VIL $ONY!!!!! Sooo greeedy! Unlike your employers who respect consumers so much!
Here, facts for you: SONY WOULD NEVER GET THE WHOLE PIE, YOU IGNORANT.
According to CNET, that is. Note, the guy who wrote that article even has a pro-HD DVD bias.
Link: http://news.com.com/2100-1041-5886956.html?tag+tb
"Toshiba leads the HD DVD consortium, which also includes consumer electronics manufacturers Sanyo and NEC. Entertainment companies on board are HBO, New Line Cinema, Paramount Home Entertainment, Universal Studios Home Entertainment and Warner Home Video.
Blu-ray's consumer electronics list is longer, with Sony, Panasonic, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Pioneer and LG Electronics. PC makers that support it are Dell, HP and Apple Computer. Also on board are video game maker Electronic Arts and entertainment companies Twentieth Century Fox, Vivendi Universal and Walt Disney."
Sounds to me like Toshiba is counting on getting more out of HD DVD than Sony out of Blu-Ray.
Even more interesting is that the second article you gave us a link for is advocating the advantages of Blu-Ray:
"The potential capacity of Blu-Ray discs is, in a word, staggering. A single-layer disc can hold between 23 and 27 gigabytes of data, enough for four hours of high-definition video; a dual-layer disc can hold between 46 and 54GB, easily enough for eight full hours of high-definition programming*. Furthermore, since the layers on a Blu-Ray disc are so thin, there is potential for multi-layer discs with up to eight layers holding upwards of 200GB. TDK has announced a working prototype of a four-layer 100GB disc, but commercial availability of these high-capacity discs is several months away, at the least.
Blu-Ray's two main advantages are capacity and expandability, the potential for which has not yet been matched by HD-DVD. To add some perspective, most entry-level computer hard drives do not hold 200GB. 200GB is the equivalent of forty-five single-layer DVDs, or twenty-three double-layer DVDs. There is enough capacity to store over twenty full-length standard definition DVD movies on one disc, complete with special features and full digital audio.
Blu-Ray discs also have an advantage in durability, thanks to a special hard-coating developed by TDK. While CD and DVD media (and, presumably, HD-DVD) can be scratched by wiping with a tissue, Blu-Ray discs can reportedly withstand attack from a screwdriver."
I hope, for your sake, that you really are a Microsoft employee, otherwise you're just displaying everybody else your immense stupidity by coming to a PS-brand dedicated website in active propaganda as if your life depends on it.
Here, I have a proposition for you: prove to us that 15 > 25 and we'll all consider HD DVD.
Now I've wasted about 10 minutes of time now, so I'm off, because unlike you, I'm not getting paid for this sh*t. Goodbye.
You spell out how HD-DVD approached the official DVD forum etc... 4 paragraphs entirely full of nothing. You really are a treat to watch in action.
Do you want to know why Sony did not approach them? The answer is simple! They did not need to. They did not make a new DVD or propose a change to the old one. That is the problem with the HD-DVD camp. Instead of making a truly next-gen format like Sony did the HD camp just tried to improve the old one and they should have spent more on R+D. HD-DVD discs read just like an old DVD with the readable layer being .6mm deep in the disc. The only difference is the laser can read data chains that are packed more closely together.
BD on the other hand actually changed the way that the whole disc works. BD has it's initial layer only .1mm into the discs surface and therefore can continue to pack on the layers as it gets deeper into the disc.
You see that is why they didn't give a flying leap what the official DVD forum had to say. They were not trying to help them they were trying to make DVD's eventual replacement. They most likely succeeded!
Just because your post is long it is still worthless if it only contains fluff and opinions that are not based upon facts. Try again!
In reality I don't give a s*it who wins as I would rather wait to get a HD movie player (I don't have either one yet.) MS was nice enough not to force me into a movie format war when all I want is a game console. It's just too bad that gave blu ray an early advantage.
I hate companies that prefer to force their products on consumers rather than let them decide. It's obvious most consumers don't care about either format at this point. PS3 owners suddenly care, why? Because sony made them buy a blu ray player in the PS3 box!
It should be obvious to anybody this format war is far from over. Yet that does not stop the blu ray association from saying it's over after selling more discs for 2 weeks in Europe, when HD-DVD sold so much more before that.
LET CONSUMERS DECIDE, DO NOT DO IT FOR THEM!!! Ever heard the concept of a free market?
I am more against scandalous marketing gimmics and lies than anything. Both formats have pros and cons. Blu ray should have submitted their format to the DVD forum, then there would only be one HD movie format, and everyone would be happy!
That is why I currently hate blu ray. THEY LIE AND LIE OFTEN. Understand?
I do like pissing people off, which I do quite well. I know you'll agree with that one lol! Just because this site is overrun with PS3 fans I'm not scared, I'll take you all on!
In blu terms, 25 isnot greater than 15.
Bluray doesnt use VC-1, and uses PCM tracks instead of advanced codecs. Blu-ray needs the extra space, were HD-DVD does not.
But why am i commenting on this anyways, it has allready been debunked at the only credible Audio visual website, AVSforums. Im enjoying the Matrix in HD today, while the blu boys wait on Sonys promises.
Man, its funny watching people fight over this, but more importantly SONY'S GOING TO WHIP MICROSOFT.
" no major studios have changed their support in the last year for either format, gtauk.
Universal is still HD-DVD exclusive, with most major studios supporting both besides bi*ches fox and disney"
did i say in the last year?
did i talk about universal?
ill rephrase my sentance better:
Nearly all major studios support blu-ray, 7 of the 8 major US film studios back Blu-ray and five of them are exclusive to the format wow 5 of them just wow how many hd-dvd exlusives can i think off the top of my head ooo just the one which is a pretty big one anyway
Great Post Folding Junkie!
Only true reason (besides it is fun to play) that it is doing so good is because of the price point. And what you said also applies to the 360 but funny how you left that part out.....
Yes, it uses FULLY UNCOMPRESSED Linear PCM.
Compression + Loss of audio quality. ALWAYS. Regardless of how advanced the codec is.
So what you are saying is that Blu-Ray uses the additional space for better audio. Thank you for enlightening us.
In other words, it's using extra space for audio because IT CAN, otherwise it would be using audio codecs. Only HD DVD zealots would try to spin this.
VC-1 is possible on Blu-Ray as well, but is not currently used because that compression format is controlled by Microsoft. So it uses other formats like H.264 and MPEG4.
The fact is, most codecs used are common between both formats, but no amount of spin will change the fact that 25 > 15 for ANY APPLICATION, not just movies.
Funny how you don't include that Blu-ray can utilize the same codecs HD-DVD does...ain't that a coincidence on how you leave out a great part of information that proves you WRONG.
Below taken from http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/
What video codecs will Blu-ray support?
MPEG-2 - enhanced for HD, also used for playback of DVDs and HDTV recordings.
MPEG-4 AVC - part of the MPEG-4 standard also known as H.264 (High Profile and Main Profile).
SMPTE VC-1 - standard based on Microsoft's Windows Media Video (WMV) technology.
Please note that this simply means that all Blu-ray players and recorders will have to support playback of these video codecs, it will still be up to the movie studios to decide which video codec(s) they use for their releases.
My post above was for Lurker
Thanks! I don't know why, but he bugs me more than most of them do. It's also fun to use facts to refute his bogus claims.
First of all, there's a very convenient spin to this article: it doesn't compare Blu-ray to DVD or digital distribution.
Second, Blu-ray beating HD-DVD clearly isn't making the PS3 sell any better, so this obviously doesn't have a direct connection to console sales.
You are as bad as Mister Nonsense and Devise (a lot of lies). Do you have any proof of your noise/interference problem or is that just another one of the bogus claims that schmucks as consumers, not engineers, are falsely assuming.
I know that you won't find a bad review about the picture quality of the PS3 as a BD player but just to make sure that you get the point check out this link by a completely unbiased, towards BD or Sony, source.
http://hdtvorg.co.uk/news/articles/2007040803.htm
As you can see it is by an HDTV site in the UK. Please try to tell me how you think Sony managed to get hdtvorg to give them a biased review. There is no way that you can!
Your hate towards the PS3 and BD is appalling to say the least and your complere lack of any factual evidence to support your illogical opinions makes you contemptible.
Go play with your kindergarten friends! Scrub!
Bluray is in quite a few places, way more than HDDVD that's for sure. Go to JB-Hifi, they're exclusive Blu-ray now
somewhere(unreg istered), I read somewhere, I think EGM, that a blu-ray attachment like the hd-dvd one for the xbox 360 would not entirely be out of the picture for Microsoft.
somewhere(unreg istered), I think they already dropped it down to $650 or something huge like that, didn't they?
Mister Common Sense, stfu. Go play in traffic.
THATS IN EUROPE HERE IN AMERICA THERE ARE PEOPLE ASKING "whats blu-ray?"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
for those that say HD-DVD was first to the market and sony and the bda never submitted the BLU-RAY FORMAT to the DVD forum..want to know why they never needed too. they already were selling stand alone blu-ray player/recorders since feb 2003..even before HD DVD was even approved..when did the first HD DVD player come to the market APR 2006.
http://www.nec.co.jp/press/en/0208/2901.html
when was the first blu-ray player/recorder
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,109617-page,1/article.html
but yet TOSHIBA you know the CREATOR of HD DVD ..LOOK WHAT THEY MAKE...
Toshiba Samsung completes Blu-ray Drive | Print | E-mail
from : http://www.emedialive.com/Articles/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=10987
TSST Korea ("Toshiba" Samsung Storage Technology Corporation) announced that it has completed the technical development of its Blu-ray disc drives. These offer a storage capacity up to 25GB at a single layer disc.
In the Blu-ray drive, the blue laser is the core factor that enables the next-generation optical disc format. Current DVDs use a red laser (650nm) to read and write data, while Blu-ray and HD DVD use a shorter-wavelength blue laser (405nm). As a result, the Blu-ray beam can focus more precisely, enabling it to read information recorded in pits that are only 0.16 microns long, which is more than twice as small as the pits on a DVD. Also, the smaller pit length allows for the storing of up to 25GB in a single layer disc -- about five times more than can be stored on a standard DVD disc.
The enhanced design that was first incorporated into Samsung's External DVD Writer is being adapted to the Blu-ray Drive as well. Samsung's Blu-ray Drive has the sophisticated black and silver color design of a high-end A/V product that would look perfect even in a living room. Blu-ray offers 50GB of storage capacity on a double-layer disc (25GB on a single-layer disc). A single-layer Blu-ray disc can hold 25GB, which can be used to record over 2 hours of HDTV or more than 13 hours of standard-definition TV. There are also dual-layer versions of the discs that can hold 50GB.
Like all the other Samsung ODD Drives, the Blu-ray drive is eco-friendly and supports Firmware Live Updates that allow users to ensure they always have the latest Blu-ray firmware version. Samsung Electronics is a member of the Blu-ray Association and will launch internal and external Blu-ray drives simultaneously in 2006 under the Samsung brand through the Samsung Electronics distribution channel.
THATS RIGHT BLU-RAY PLAyERS..the only people getting played right now are the HD DVD zealots
the CO-VICE chair of the HD DVD promotional group which is NEC..who is now makeing what;s this ONLY blu-ray DRIVES...thats the CO-VICE CHAIR..so now we have the president of the HD DVD promotional group, and the co-vice chair both makeing blu-ray drives..good show of support for HD DVD...
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/peripherals/sonynecs-optiarc-busts-out-five-blu+ray-burners-at-cebit-no-hd-dvds-in-sight-245906.php
The proper correlation would be that console sales is helping the BD camp and therefore it does have a direct connection.
BTW, it is funny that you say that it has a convenient spin because it doesn't compare BD to DVD or digital distribution.
Where should I start? How about the fact that it would be stupid to compare a relatively new storage medium that is only advantageous to HDTV owners to one that already has a huge market saturation and can be used with any SDTV like DVD can.
As for digital distribution methods, very viable and most likely a very popular method of media consumption someday, they are currently only pipe dreams. While enough speed to effectively stream 1080p HD signals with uncompressed (lossless) audio streams is possible to purchase, most people can't afford it or it is years away from being implemented where they live. You do realize that some people still can't get cable or DSL where they live right? They can go to their local Best Buy or other retailer and buy an HDTV and a HD compatible player though. Streaming technology is still many years away from being feasible or affordable.
You see it is related to console sales and there is no direct comparison to DVD or streaming media applicable.
the HDDVD probably dont die in the futute like HD DUDS suggests
Will be the next DVDRAM
HD-DVD will pick up, because the porn industry is goign to it.
Blue ray ftw. Easily. Why bother investing in something that's no where near as good as bluray, yet the same price.
Yea in London here, blu-ray is pretty much dominant. Many people here have HDTV's even with the VAT taxes,
Personally it don't matter who wins atm.
1) whoever said in AUS they never herd of HDDVD is plain fooling themself. GO to a ezydvd store way more HDDVD the BlueRay discs.
2) I hope Blue ray fails because what sony have recently done to their dvds. Changed the protection scheme now about 60% of dvd players can't play the new discs.
Sony's response: "Up to manufacturers to release new firmware"
Absolute *****s. Sure manufacturers can release new firmware but do average home owners of dvd players even know wtf firmware is. To them its just a thing that plays movies.
3) Yes built in dvd/blue ray player whatever else built in is always crappier then a stand alone.
I got a PS2 and a DVD player that cost me $800AUS and that kills the PS2 in visual quality all over.
can you downgrade a custom firmware?
I mean, when you have a ps3, you are a potential bd buyer, and nothing can makes you an hd-dvd potential buyer. Ps3 owners (millions) can watch HD movies without having to buy any player since their ps3 already do the job, so the war is won by Blue-ray, it's easy to understand, and everybody already knew that even before the ps3 started to sell...
give them a biased review. There is no way that you can!
Well he could claim like all PS3 owners do that the site is proberly sponsored by Sony etc etc just like every time any site gives the 360 a better score than the PS3 version of a dual format game review its always claimed ahh but they are proberly sponsored by MS etc etc etc
And I like your singled out link for every link someone posts people can post 10 with the opposite views so dont waste your time posting links as its always going to be one that has the words that you want in your favour.
Try somewhere like here that discusses BOTH formats from a LOT of different people..
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t+850248
Man, do you hate it that much that all you bought is red rings of death. Come on guys you know that in the future the PS3 will come out on top, and for all you ***** suckin Xbrick Fanboys out there Sony does own Bluray, and Bluray is on top not only in Europe but also in Australia and soon to be america. You guys suck so bad it's funny. Hey how many of you guys have 360's in the shop right now, ROFLMAO..... god my stomach hurts. The only good thing about 360 fanboys is that their mothers give good ass head. Well time to play my PS3. The war is over PS3 won, go home.
Man, do you hate it that much that all you bought is red rings of death. Come on guys you know that in the future the PS3 will come out on top, and for all you cok suckin Xbrick Fanboys out there Sony does own Bluray, and Bluray is on top not only in Europe but also in Australia and soon to be america. You guys suck so bad it's funny. Hey how many of you guys have 360's in the shop right now, ROFLMAO..... god my stomach hurts. The only good thing about 360 fanboys is that their mothers give good head. Well time to play my PS3. The war is over PS3 won, go home.
blu-ray wins.
END OF STORY!
Lets put it in the real world, the 360 has the best selling drive in it,its the same one as in almost every home in the world be it in their dvd system or their PC its called DVD9 and it will be here for years and years and the time it goes away there will be a whole bunch of new formats and much cheaper than Blu Ray and Hd-Dvd.
And the Wii has the weakest drive but is kicking the PS3 arse and lesser so to the 360 aswell.
Wii has a weak drive but is destroying the PS3, so it looks like no one really gives 2 cents about HDTV movies, they want a games machine not a movie player
Stop posting pointless links no one goes there simply because it will always be a site that you want to be in your favor and suits you, its just as easy countering with 10 sites that have the opposite opinions
Please MS sucks all they do is try to one up everyone. And trying to steal the glory from sony. So, this is no surprise. The future is blue-ray, HD-DVD are going to die, just like MS.
Your games will always suck and the quanity will be limited in exchange for that.
Yeah, that's a good thing, that's why PS3s sell soooo well huh?
I'm happy MS didn't force me into this stupid format war with dumbass fantards like yourself.
The purpose of the DVD forum is to get companies to agree on a single format. If blu ray was better and sony submitted it to them it probably would have been approved and there would just be blu ray!
It's all in the f*cking article!
I would support blu ray, if there was only blu ray.
But that would mean less money for sony.
It's well known sony wants to make the cheapest blu ray players and they want to stay on top of even their own partners, that's why they went around the dvd forum!
My god you all are in denial.
This folding junkie dumbf*ck just makes up excuses denying any greed on sony's part, when it makes no sense! DVD forum isn't about DVD only! It's about optical media!
What do you mean they didn't need to get approval? If they cared about only one format for consumers, they would have! The reason for not getting the approval is GREED!!!
Sony wasn't happy with DVD royalties, since Toshiba was credidted with most of the development work, and sony wanted something that would take more time to go down in price, they even admitted that!
I can't believe I supported a piece of s*it company like $ony all these years. MS is definately the lesser of two evils in my book. Unlike $ony, they make games for my games console and don't force me into this stupid ass format war with these dumbf*cks.
That explains it!
Why do we see fan boys ( Xbox360 and PS3 ) arguing over there machines, this is good news for Blu-Ray. Yes the PS3 has a built in BD-ROM, yes MS supports HD-DVD but surely they can support Blu-ray as well if they wanted to?
When will that happen?
Last I heard PS3 was dead last everywhere but Japan.
PS3 sales keep declining, only 500,000 sold for the entire quarter!
Keep wishing, fantard.
They offered one blu ray player for sale that cost over $3,000.
So?
Why didn't they go through the DVD fourum?
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So STFU. You're nothing but a sony profit tool.
Mr Common sense a word of advise...Even if you have some good points going on you will never be able to convince anyone even MS supporters...Why because you are the Biggest s-,uck up Microsoft has ever seen...
You actually made your self believe that MS are saints and that they love you and Sony are evil demons sent upon the world to consume it.
Your are officially the Number 1 360 fanboy the world has ever seen!.
And I dont give a rats a+ss what you will say because I wont even bother to look at this post again..you know.. some of us have better things to do...have fun supporting Microsoft to death!
You truly are on the shallow end of the gene pool. Somebody really gets testy when proven wrong, huh? What an ignorant dote! Resorting to name calling because your intellect is unable to keep up.
From the official DVD forum:
DVD Forum's Mission
The DVD Forum is an international association of hardware manufacturers, software firms, content providers and other users of Digital Versatile Discs.
The Forum's purpose is to exchange and disseminate ideas and information about the DVD Format and its technical capabilities, improvements and innovations.
The Forum works to promote broad acceptance of DVD products on a worldwide basis, across entertainment, consumer electronics and IT industries.
Membership is open to any corporation or organization which is engaged in activities related to DVD research, development and/or manufacturing. We also welcome new members from software firms or other user of DVD products with an interest in further developing and improving the DVD Format.
Forum Members are not required to support the DVD Format to the exclusion of other formats.
The DVD Forum was founded in 1995 under the original name DVD Consortium. Ten companies (see below for listing) founded the organization.
Let's count together now. 9 uses of the acronym DVD, 1 use of the words Digital Versatile Disc, and a total of 0 uses of the words optical media or optical disc. Not to mention the mission statement states explicitly that forum members are NOT required to support the DVD format to the exclusion of other formats. That is it in black and white!
I never said that it had nothing to do with greed! I challenge you to find a post where I did say that! You can't and won't find one you egocentric fool! Don't ever call me a d***f*** again! At least not until you are able to put on your big boy pants and come to the table with a researched and grown up argument.
Man am I lucky! Another ignorant toad here for me to prove wrong. AVSForum is a great site. I log on almost daily. There is nothing on that site that says that the PS3 is anything but an excellent quality BD player.
If you are talking about my mention of all computers coming preinstalled with an OS that you are paying for a license to use how is that untrue?
BTW, if you think you can post ten things that refute my claim of noise free playback of BD movies in the PS3, I challenge you to do so you schmuck.
Your post is garbled nonsense and I don't think that even you understand what you are trying to say. Why would a PS3 owner say that Sony bought out a site to get a bogus review for Sony? That is ludicrous and downright stupid. You are ignorant, man! Have a nice day, ok!
Okay 95% of the people here are biased or they have one of the consoles and don't realise they are. In the long run prediction of facts, figures and opinions and the reason for all this debate is either:
a) you buy a ps3 and you get the (basically won) future of high definition dvds in a built in blu ray drive that comes in the ps3.
b) yet in the xbox 360 you get the better gaming console.
so it all depends on really, whether you want your gaming console to play games with, or if you are more interested in the overall features of the console i.e the gaming and playing back high definition dvds etc.. then yes, go for the ps3... or read on...
I'm going to donate my kidneys to blu ray and my gall bladder to hd dvd.
Blu ray, here's a sonnet I wrote for you. Only matched by the symphony I wrote inspired by hd dvd.
I love picking sides and veraciously fighting for the agenda of multiconglamora tes. They need the support, poor fellas.
So folding junkie, ya wanna be my butt buddy for the evening since we make such a great team?
Me and Vietone had a one-nighter last night and my ass really hurts.
Hey! you weren't supposed to keep our relationship on the "down low."
Folding Junkie is a dumbfu*k. A very worthless, yet overly determined dumbfu*k. Why is he trying so hard? Doesn't he know lying about blu ray is best left to the professionals at the blu ray association?
I like folding protien. My PS3 is the best at it. I watch it all day while my mom yells at me to get a job. I wish I could work for the blu ray association, as I am an accomplished liar.
Aww look I have an imitator! How nice and flatering that someone actually has to PRETEND to be me to get some attention!
You are a child and need to have some time off the internet....really grow up.
In Holland and all over Europe (Japan is a plus) Blue-Ray is kicking HD-DVD's butt.
Thats what matters, not whats hapenning over there in the USA.
Boy, you really got me with that one! I am so sad that I may just go away forever. You know so much more than anybody in the whole world! You are so smart! I only wish that I could be like you.
Now that the sarcasm is over I have a very simple question for you. Did you even hit puberty yet? I have met some very childish people in my life but NEVER have I met anyone over 14 that would do that. Ever! You are a lout.
I would like to just ignore but you simpletons never seem to be anything but an anonymous cowards with undescended testes. Therefore I don't have any idea who you are because all that you and your infantile cronies can do when facing someone who is capable of backing their opinions with fact you resort to the only thing that you know which is vulgarity, toilet humor, and homosexual references. Grow a pair, log in, and then come back you wretched little moron.
You are impersonating me again! You must really like me! Thanks for the laughs.
shut up.
The games suck at the moment, but so did the xbox 360 games do at the beginning. And what can PS3 owners look forward to? MGS4, FFXIII, Lair, Heavenly Sword, DMC4 etc. So you call PS3 a bad machine? Grow up. The only thing 360 has is Halo 3 and Gears of War.
This dude is outrageous. M$ lost last gen, that's the side you choose? The losers, dosen't make much sense. You bought a "next-gen" console that has the same space restrictions with playable media as the last gen consoles. Now that's just stupid. Going on the internet in a vain attempt to influence others into making the same mistake, That's just sad. Forcing yourself to make fanboy comments about a subject that dosen't concern you, we all know High-def is not important to you, thus you bought a 360. Whne you enter the world of high-def come back and comment, until then go suck Bill Gates d1ck.
i take it you never even went to the link..just as well stay as a blind consumer that's your choice..but saying my link is pointless shows just how much of a fanboy you realy are (yuiyuiyu) good to be a fanboy i guess...:D
HEre we go again. You are attacking sony on ethical
grounds now, huh. Yeah Micro soft never strong-arms people into buying anything,lollol . It's not like they make you buy windows for your computer by rendering the version you own obsolete even though it works fine. Or the fact that he stole the idea for windows, so basiclly the whole company is founded in deceit. I doubt you think that much about your buying decisions, if you did you wouldn't own anything.
you and others show just how much fanboyism you have..you call it greed and call me a SONY profit tool. when its any company would do the same thing just ask TOSHIBA. do you even know how much STANDARD DVD players cost when they were first released in 1997...over $3000.00
so what its not any thing the consumer has not seen before the cost of PC's in 1980's for a 8088 was over the thousands for a 12 Mhz PC...so when TECH. is first released it cost money you have the choice to buy it or not to.but saying its one companies greed..all companies are greedy get over it. they are in it to make money..get it..
It's one reason I bought the ps3, and HD-dvd was one reason I didn't buy the 360. Even when they were talking about using hd-dvd for games I still was not interested because blu-ray had more space. All I could think of was a game coming out for both systems and paying the same for less, not additional downloads I have to pay for, because I won't. When I buy a game I don't intend on spending anymore money to play it. Unless it was like 20-30 dollars.
destroying the PLAYSTATION 3...as far as i know only the playstation 3 was able to physicaly kill other consoles..":D" ..its a good thing that the Wii is doing great..more systems on the market the better. the fact that the playstation 3 is on a 10 year game support cycle.compared to the others which is (4-5) years is what makes the systems unique. and who would want the saystems to all be the same. you may not care but others do, just like you may not care that the playstation 3 can be loaded with LINUX so it can be used as a PC you may not care, but once again others do. the systems are all good. all have problems . but lets face it both the Wii and the playstation 3 are not even a year old on the consumer market yet. look at the xbox360 great games, has some reliability problems but that will eventualy get fixed.so its all good
that online is where PORNS market share is now..you know the porn industry lost a major portion of their market their down from (90%) 8 years ago now down to (40%)..so the argument of porn being the big factor like last time is not the same thing this time arround. and for your info..blu-ray has had "porn on their disc's since early 2005 in japan"
So let me get this straight, if toyota camry is outselling the Corvette, then Chevrolet is in deep trouble? Oh wait, the Corvette costs 3 times more because it is targeting a different market! Start picking your brains from the floor honey, the Wii is not in the same price segment with PS3/X360. It isn't even a next generation console. The real confrontation here is PS3 vs X360. Wii is just for little children or casual people, definetely not the main market. And let me remind you, the console market is like 100-150 million. I really want to see the Wii getting there in the next 5 years... LOL
yuiyuiyu, links help support our claims giving them actual validity. If you have anything worth reading you should be able to back it with facts instead of worthless daydreams.
what is up with you guys, calm the ***** down. stop hating each other and arguing about everything, why should you care what some 14 yr old kid says about a console you own. Its a product which you enjoy, you dont own it, you have very little right to defend it.
smile :) mister commen sense is paid by microsoft, and im sure there are sony and nintendo moles in here too. its a new form of marketing, just ignore it.
and why is qj publishing biased articles like this? An article that says Blu Ray is winning, taken from bluray.com ? because they make advertising money from every one of our posts when we use such words as console, killzone, game, games etc etc. They want to publish articles that make people argue so they can get more visitors and in turn get more ad money, common sense, simple common sinse.
Its called capitalism. Don't fight it, live it breath it, just do it.
Thats my rant. And i know noone really listens on these boards, most are sick of not being listened to in real life so they publish their opinions on the net in vain hope, constantly arguing expecting a tinge of self confidence to develop from sticking it to the rest.
It doesn't work like that boys, I've hated in my time, and it did me no good.
Don't hate. Just be yourself and stickup for what you believe, BUT appreciate that other people are trying to do the same thing with a differing opinion, sometimes you can be wrong.
Coyle Out ( for good )
BD is blitzing the market over here (Australia)
obviously the ps3 is the most technologically advanced because of blue ray(pictures incredible with the hdmi cable) im not sayin its the best but most adavnced.Even tho 360 is less of an advancment i have one its still awesome. I dont have a Wii(yet) but my friend has one and i think its to kidish, I mean come on if ur gunna call a system Wii just go jump of a building into a pile of used tampons.
HAHA Xbrick
Who cares if HD-DVD can read/write faster. A 2x blu-ray drive can read the same amount as a 4x HD-DVD drive due the the compression on the disc. blu ray is packed more so it can be accessed without increasing speed.
the wii can go sit in the corner. who cares if the wii is selling 3 to 1? the PS3 is three times the price, still racking in more money.
in japan BR owns 96% of the market, and in Europe its 84% ;)
IDFC about hd or blu-ray both suck to me i just like burning movies and watching them idfc on what disc is on frankly is all about games ps3 better get their game on. And stop offering me movies i already seen and dont really f*cking care if there hd or blu-ray i just want to use my ps3 to go online and play games i didn't buy a ps3 to watch pearl harbor on blu-ray.
Why do you call yourself Mister Common Sense when you got none at all? PS3 game doesnt always suck, every console has games that suck.
PS3 isnt selling well, but hey its doing better in its first 8 months than 360 did in its first 8months