Blu-Ray Disc Association: Disc format war to end in 18 months |
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Much had been said about the ongoing format war between HD DVD and Blu-ray. For one thing, it has caught the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 in the crossfire. Depending on what format you prefer though, all of this is going to be over soon, according Blu-ray Disc Association Chairman Frank Simonis."Due to the fact that we have some hard competition which sometimes makes strange moves, it's very unpredictable," said Simonis. "But I think in the next 18 months it will be very exciting to see what's going on"
Simonis, who is also Philips' Senior Director for Communications, further mentioned that consumers will be deciding soon because of all the new products coming into the market. Apart from the format war, there will also a battle between different brands for both the Blu-ray and HD DVD that will further cost "price erosion".
Definitely a good observation from Simonis part but in the end, he couldn't help but somewhat sell his company's preferred one. He commented:
We don't like to oversell ourselves, but we right now see that there is a major transition taking place from publishers who said they would initially go only for HD DVD and now make the move across the Blu-ray. [This is] based on the sales numbers of software happening in the Far East, US and also now in Europe.
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Same thing with DVD - and + ?? I mean, nobody did win that war, didnt they? Dual Players and Burners all Around. Maybe because of the Film Industry, one format need to win... I think its pretty bad that at the moment some movies are only avaiable on HD DVD and some only on Blue ray, that force People to buy someday a Dual Player and dont give a rat if he buys Blue Ray or HD DVD.
it will never end ...
I though Blu-Ray had already claimed victory, haha. I guess the Blu-Ray camp is just like Bush and the IRAQ war.
I know PS3 owners get defensive about Blu-Ray because of Sony and the PS3. But it Blu-Ray wasn't in the PS3, 99% of you wouldn't give a crap about the format. Fanboys FTW.
Exactly but it IS in the PS3 so the fanboys Do give a 'crap' about the format
lol that's how long the paramount/dreamworks deal lasts with hd-dvd so i think their saying 18 months because after that deal..paramount might be going exclusive to the blu?? i dunno just a thought and man is the interlude of lovestoned such a great song
"We don't like to oversell ourselves, but we right now see that there is a major transition taking place from publishers who said they would initially go only for HD DVD and now make the move across the Blu-ray."
If they WEREN'T overselling themselves, they wouldn't have claimed victory umm how many times already? 4? What did it take to claim victory? Oh yeah, better disc sales for 2 weeks. Guess what they still haven't won and still only sold a little over 2 million discs WORLDWIDE!!!
It seems like they're overselling themselves AGAIN by claiming to win and have the format war over with in 18 months.
What a bunch of hypocrytes.
And call it fair analysis??? What are they smoking? Why should we believe a blu ray guy's word? Does he not get it? Paramount/Dreamworks jumped ship INDEFINITELY. They should stop clamoring on to rumors that Sony spreads to their fanboys
I read ages ago the reason the dvd was so successful was because 80% of all its sales was porn, which made dvd a winner and made dvds cheaper in the end. If Blu-ray or Hd-dvd want to win the war, just bring out a sh*t load of porn. simply ;)
thats a good thought. cheap high def porn! NICE!
o yes. dont blu ray got like a *****load of data? they should come out with like porn marathons on 1 disc! hahahahahahaha. lolz.
I thought they said it will be over this christmas. LOL. I guess they did not count on super cheap hd-dvd from venture.
Let's wait and see till bluray profile 2.0 comes out, and content created for it. Lets see how many of early adopters with generation 1 & 2 bluray players owners starts complaining their players can't play the new movies (dvd deja vue anyone, especially ps2 as dvd players in the early days).
You are partially correct. Many of us would not care one way or the other about BD or HD-DVD but to say that only 1 percent of us would give a damn is a fallacy.
I, along with many others, had an HDTV well before the 360 or the PS3 hit the shelves. Our quest for the ultimate in picture quality started with OTA, cable, and satellite broadcasts, and HTPC's or upscaling DVD players. Our search has not ended but we have taken a major step forward with the new disc formats.
Neither format shows an edge over the other when PQ is the basis used for comparison. Both also support newer and better quality codecs than the DVD standard.
BD however provides a substantial amount of increased storage capacity allowing for increased video length and uncompressed audio. BD also has a much more durable disc coating. Do you have any idea the amount of rough handling necessary to damage an BD? It needs to be an intentional attack on the disc or else it will most likely survive whatever happens to it. As a parent this is a lifesaver!
I have not even mentioned BD for gaming yet because most of you detractors, XBOTS, or both say that it has no use there. I think that if you read my whole post you can see where it does. Increased storage capacity and much better durability are the biggest benefits of BD that actually translate directly to gaming.
The only one acting like a fanboy is you. I am pleased that Sony included it in the PS3 because it allowed me to kill two birds with one stone. I joined the current generation of gaming and the HD generation of video discs in one fell swoop. Nothing was forced upon me and I couldn't be happier with my purchase. Based upon your posting you most likely cannot say the same thing!
My two cents!
if ps3 didnt have blu ray i would still preffer it coz it has more space and more film and computer companies are backing blu ray
the japanese porn industry has gone with blu ray so ill take it than blu ray is winnin in japan
The war is just in America only, HD-DVD is non existant in Japan, Blu ray owned that, In Europe, Blu-ray is outselling HD-DVD by a hefty margain. Plus more of my fave films are coming out on Blu-ray, so for now I think it's the winner, I mean, Die Hard in HD, how can HD-DVD beat that?
I think you should pay a visit to cdjapan's website, both hd-dvd and blu-ray are pretty heavily supported, there is also more anime on hd-dvd in japan as well.
I don't think it matters to much if one is better than the other... im just sick of having 2 different formats to choose from... fanboys can come in here and promote one or the other but at the end of the day we all lose till the format war is settled
I was with blu-ray before because of the high capacity and stuff. As soon as I realised however that Blu-Ray had region encoding but HD-DVD doesnt, well, that was the decidin factor for me. Don't get me wrong, quality and compression etc are important, but id rather carry 3 HD-DVD disks with no region encoding than a Blu-ray disk with region encoding. (but thats irrelevant since compression usually puts it all into 1 disk anyway).
Lets face it, Blu-ray has more storage and thats a big thing to have, but for movies and games, they are doing fine with the HD-DVD (even if it is compressed, im not complaining)
But there have been SO MANY times when ive seen great deals abroad for games/DVDs/gaming consoles and thought about buying it, only to realise that fu**in region coding prevents me from using it! it REALLY pisses me off!
FYI, in case ur in doubt about whether HD-DVD has region encoding or not, i saw it on wikipedia so jus search on there.
Actually, the fact that in most of your posts you prefer to attack anything PS3 is telling about you.
Anyway, regarding the allegiance of PS3 owners to the Blu-ray format, I agree, some PS3 owners simply prefer the format because they have a Player that already plays the format.
However, I'm sure that there are PS3 owners like me who were well-aware of the impending format war between Blu-ray and HD-DVD before the PS3 was released. I was one of the people who actually preferred the Blu-ray format because when you take the similar picture quality between both formats out of the equation, what's left is the increased storage capacity of the Blu-ray disc. The fact that I could get the same picture quality AND increased storage space was what sealed my preference for Blu-ray, and when it was confirmed that the PS3, Sony's next-generation console, would be able to play high-def Blu-ray movies and play games stored on high-capacity storage Blu-ray media, my decision was made for me.
Despite what you may like to think, there are MANY PS3 owners who bought the PS3 specifically because it played games stored on high-capacity media AND played next-gen high-def format movies as well.
In summary, many PS3 owners don't just support the Blu-ray format because they bought a PS3 and found that it had a BR player inbuilt. Many bought a PS3 because they were getting several good things for the price of one.
No offence, but even though you probably don't like to reflect about that aspect of the PS3 because it happens to disagree with your world-view about Microsoft's competition, but it is the truth.
"For months now, we've been inundated with press releases trumpeting the 2:1 sales gap between Blu-ray and HD DVD, but until recently none of them offered the actual number of units sold. We were given ratios and percentages, all of which sounded pretty damning for HD DVD's chances of survival, but had no real figures to back them up. It wasn't until a couple of weeks ago that Home Media Research provided actual sales numbers for the first half of 2007. In that announcement we learned that sales of Blu-ray discs for the first six months of 2007 totaled 1.6 million units, compared with 795,000 HD-DVD discs sold in the same time frame.
Indeed, that's twice as many Blu-ray sales as HD DVD. Doesn't that just about wrap up this format war?
Not so fast. The sales lead only sounds impressive when taken out of context. To put those numbers into perspective, during its first week of release alone, the Standard-Def DVD edition of '300' sold 5.10 million copies. That's one single movie on DVD, during just one week of release, moving more than twice as many units as all Blu-rays and HD DVDs combined could manage in 6 months. In fact, that lone DVD in its first week significantly outsold the grand total of all High-Def media from inception in early 2006 to date "
This war is far from over.
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Joshua_Zyber/Commentary:_A_War_of_Hype,_and_Paramounts_Big_Bombshell_/921
thanks for putting those grossly out of context 2:1 sales figures back into perspective for me.
what games do you have that are on HD-DVD?
also, did you edit wikipedia before or after you submitted this post?
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here, here!!!!
theres seems to be a lot of xbots on this post eh??
i personally feel that when the bd / hd-dvd writable drives come down in price for the pc market we'll see the winner because everyone knows it was them that was fighting the dvd +/- war so i feel it ll be them that will choose a winner here also!!! they ll be after as much disc space as possible so i feel it could go bd's way!!!
Technology is improving at such a fast rate, and so will resolution on monitors. In a couple of years when the format war is settled, tv's will have much higher resolutions ... PC monitors already do. How about a movie format with uncompressed video? Now that would be impressive.
Ok ps3 fanboy, Backing up data to BD will be more of a hassle. With Hard drives over a Terabite, who gives a crap about backing up to BD or HD DVD, and with slow write speeds, I can only imagine how long it will take. Also, with portable usb drives getting cheaper and just the simple fact that every computer has usb, is another reason to forget abouth BD and HD DVD as backup media. Transfer rates of BD and HDVD will never compare to usb.
Have you ever had a HDD fail? Ever had a problem with bad sectors on your HDD? Have you ever had a power outage when you were in the middle of copying or working on a file?
Are you going to buy two TB HDD and stripe them? That would be costly and a waste of HDD capacity. Physical media will always be used for backups and ease of transportation.
You, my friend, are the one without a clue.
They call them film projectors!
mister smartie pants, you are going to backup one file to BD? Are u retarted? You must also be blind, but I mentioned portable usb drives as a better alternative to BD. Burning stuff onto DVDR's, and possibly BDR's is in my opinion a waste, most programs become outdated after a year, and now you have junk burned onto prcious and expensive BD's, but with portable usb drives you can erase what you don't want and re-use that space. ohh by the way, I never had an HDD fail, but if i'm working on something important, I'll probably back it up to my usb flash drive. I cant imagine using BD to backup files. What can you possibly be working on that needs 25 GB? Are you going to save to a BD everytime you make a change your redicolously big file? How many Bd's will you need by the time your project is done?
I used to be an infamous blu ray opponent, and suddenly I have a blu ray player. What do I do? Well now I just don't care.
I was going to rent (or buy) a blu ray movie last night. I went to a blockbuster that had them (the one by my house does not.) I didn't really like the selection and I saw many of them. I went to wal-mart to maybe buy one. I didn't see any movies I thought were worth $20-$30 so I went home. Guess I'll wait for that too.
I just don't see blu ray as anything to get very excited about. Sure you can watch movies at 1080p and 7.1 DD audio if you got the setup (I don't.)
I recorded the Lord of the Rings trilogy in 1080i HD off TNT with my Dish network recorder last week, and that's not released yet, and probably won't for years. I have many other movies recorded in HD that have yet to be released in either format (all free.) The only problem is I can't take them anywhere. Not really a problem for me though since nobody else I know has a HD player.
Maybe that's why HD movie formats aren't taking off?
You really don't get it do you?
Nobody ever mentioned backing up one file to BD. Nobody except you has probably even contemplated using a BD for that purpose. The type of backups that I am talking about would be for databases and archival purposes.
I have enough MP3's in my collection on my HDD right now for two BD. I don't play all of them every day so why do they need to be on my HDD all of the time?
DV takes up immense amounts of space. I can't think of a better place to archive my digital home videos!
Professional photographers using high megapixel cameras have many very large files. If they use RAW or TIFF images to avoid image degradation they definitely will want them archived.
The point is that if you have 100 MB to backup you can use flash drives, zip drives, or an CD. If you have a couple of GB you use a flash drive or an DVD. If you have more than that you use another suitable format. You use the right sized tool for the job!
We can tell that you obviously are not a fan of either format. But to say that they are useless only means that they are useless to you! There are uses for that much storage.