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Analyst: Blu-ray may have killed PS3 |
Listed in: PS3, Xbox 360 Tags: gaming accessories, Rob Enderle, Sony
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In his latest commentary, analyst Rob Enderle of TechNewsWorld gave his opinions about Sony's Blu-ray. He stated that Blu-ray is facing a very serious problem, and the PlayStation 3 may be the biggest culprit to blame.The analyst said that he was convinced that Blu-ray would have "toasted" the HD-DVD format by this time if it wasn't for the price point of the technology. This assumption was based on the idea that "Sony would never be stupid enough to price itself out of the game console market, effectively giving it to Nintendo Latest News about Nintendo and Microsoft."
"Instead of the PS3 ensuring Blu-ray's success, right now it appears that Blu-ray may have effectively killed the PS3, at least in terms of market leadership," adds Enderle.
Enderle also shed some light as to why Dreamworks and Paramount supported the HD-DVD. He explained that while there seems to have been some US$ 250 million in incentives doled out, the more compelling reason was that the two companies saw Blu-ray's failure coming and abandoned ship.
The move by Dreamworks and Paramount, he concluded, effectively ensures that "Blu-ray will lose whether HD-DVD wins or not."
Such a scenario, Enderle says, is possible if the price point of players for both formats don't drop to US$ 200 and below. This, he says, could stagnate the market and compel consumers to skip the generation altogether.
"In other words, while Blu-ray can't win, in my view, there is still an excellent chance the market will simply bypass both if one doesn't ramp to high volume this year. In that instance, everyone loses," the analyst said.
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Yeah two movie companies saw failiure in Blu-ray and jump ship...
Correction they got paid $250 mills to jump ship.
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If both loses, then who will win? Is it just me or does this actually makes sense to someone. What's left if both of them loses, back to standard dvds.
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Last I heard blu-ray was still toasting HD-DVD 2:1
How can that be Rob? I thought blu-ray was a failure.
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it's ANAList like him that further fuels the format war imo
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It might be possible for that to change down the line, but this guy is possibly right in stating that if one medium doesn't go mass production soon, it's really going to start damaging the market. Plenty of people already don't care, and it might not be long until they lose faith as well. Consumers these days can be pretty finicky.
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The analist is simply stating the truth, that sony was so focused on shoving a new format down the throats of consumers via the ps3 that they allowed MS and Ninty to crush them in the gaming dept. Had sony not forced their format then they could have easily competed with both companies and may have had a chance at winning due to the previous install base of ps2. Greed is a deadly sin, and for that Sony is slowly dying wether the sony fanboys of this site want to accept it or not.
As for "BluRay will lose whether HD wins or not", this is also true. If only 10% of the movie market is buying the new format and 51% of that 10% is for BluRay over HD it still doesnt matter because the rest of the 90% could care less about either of the new formats. So eve if BluRay wins, they still lose, and so does the ps3.
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When it comes to computers, larger capacity is better. Even given the off chance Blu-Ray loses the movie wars, it will still be a popular format for a gaming medium as it is almost twice the capacity of HD-DVD
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just fanning the flame wars.
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if both format does indeed lose then HDDVD will just be a failed afterthought while Blu Ray lives on thru the PS3.
anyway as a gamer it doesn't bother me much... it's not like the Blu Ray movies i bought will suddenly stop working!! haha!!! and my PS3 plays dvds too so reverting back to standard isn't a problem (it upscales as well) and i still get to benefit from what Blu Ray technology gives to hi definition next gen gaming with bigger and better games in the future... cause admit it or not everything has its limitations... Gears is good... Bioshock is good... but everything has its limitations... and Blu Ray has all the advantages over DVD and and the gap just gets on getting bigger as the generation pushes forward.
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If Blu-ray wins, people have to pay Sony licensing to use it in their products. Thats where the so called "greed" comes from. The chance to make big money. Big whoop. At least they are the ones with the "better product" (in terms of capacity and durability).
Maybe they thought that including BluRay for the PS3 would be a win-win situation, instead of your totally biased "shoving a new format down consumer's throats". BluRay would take off and be the dominant format (Win for Sony), and we'd have much more space available for game developers to give us more game (Win for us) I like to think of it in those terms, instead of the overused Anti-Sony biased view.
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He isn't saying that HD-DVD > Blu-ray. He's saying that DVD > Blu-ray > HD-DVD.
If Blu-ray is 7% of videos sold, and HD-DVD is 3% (hypothetically ) than 90% of people dont give a *****.
That's what he is predicting. It has nothing to do with Sony vs. Microsoft, or Xbox vs. PSX...
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Sure, the $150 affected the decision but there were other reasons as well. Stability, consistency, production cost all factor in as well. Just because movie titles from one format are outselling the ones from another doesn't make it a better product. Now if every movie released in High-def were available on both formats, which one would be doing better? If people had a choice on HD format for ANY and ALL given movies, which would they choose? And maybe I'm wrong but isn't the PS3 the ONLY Blu-ray player that also plays DVD. I could swear I read that no stand alone Blu-ray player will play a regular DVD were as ALL HD-DVD players play regular DVD. Feel free to tell me I'm wrong on that point.
There's a link to an interesting op-ed in that article as well that you people should also check out.
And remember, this isn't Microsoft vs. Sony. Although they are involved, it's one Consortium Vs. Another.
And a question to all the Blu-ray supporters on this site. Is the only reason you are a Blu-ray fanboy because you have a PS3 or do you actually own a stand alone player? I for one don't have any High-Def player and will wait things out. For the time being DVD suites me just fine.
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how can both fail be pro microsoft
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What is of importance is that storage capacity is evolving extremely fast and in this respect I do believe that the conflict between HD DVD and Blu-Ray means that the consumer may lose out. What is of interest is that memory chips at low cost are breaking through. 32 and 64 gig compact flash is already available for mass production. Samsung actually showed the 64 gig at the GSM fair in Cannes 3 years ago. Its now ready for the consumer. My point here is that the analyst is stating that the whole HD DVD Blu Ray scenario may just fade away and be replaced by the next level of tech. HD content is readily available on the internet.
Any medium that can store it can use it. This is the real value of the HD format.
The Blu Ray is an excellent medium but is more expensive and may fail purely due to the fact that its expensive and reality dictates that by the time the Blu Ray is at a price point that is readily accepted by the mass market other forms of storage and delivery could be readily available. Please do not misunderstand me I am not bashing Sony, they invented the Walkman and it changed the world market for music and mobility. My point is I no longer want to carry a brick when I can choose from 20 plus ipod shuffle type MP3 MP4 players.
64gig CF = 64gig MP3 player at a size where its easier to find your door key.
Analysts tend to disregard what we want but look rather to what we might get at a fore seeable point. VHS was never the best in early video but won as it was easy to implement and cheap to produce. I agree that to state Blu Ray is over as 2 major film producers opt for HD but I will agree that unless Blu Ray is mass produced and its mass market pricing does not drop significantly in price it may well become another "could have been the best" but never happened.
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I have a PS3, but have yet to watch a Blu-Ray movie. My tv isn't HD anyways, so there's no reason for me to buy more expensive stuff for nothing.
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How long did it take for the dvd to become mainstream? I remember buying those discs for a fortune back in the days. Only one store in my pitiful city sold them. I took years to become popular. Now, people are really starting to get their first HD tv´s in the mainstream, depending of course on the country. If I would get one I would definitely want some material to watch on it. Seeing blu-ray and hddvd selling less now is short sighted. In the future one or both of them will sell enormously and they will replace small dvd´s. I analyze a good future for HD camps. One will be second, but it aint gonna be blu-ray.
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Blu-rays $30? hmm when i go to amazon.com EVERY blu-ray movie is less than $30 (not a box set of course)
Also at bestbuy "300" regular dvd is 19.99 and at amazon.com it is 23.95! OMG 4 dollar difference for OVERPRICED blu-ray! alert the internets!
Come on i expected better from you.
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The only way to settle this format war is to release all the movies on both format and let the people decide. But bluray camp would not agree to such a thing. Because hddvd stand alone players are way cheaper, and price always dictates.
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The reason, according to him, is that this will ensure a long drawn-out war so that neither format will win, and instead of these, the choice will directly shift to the next big thing - downloads, as, in some years, probably we might have enough online speeds and storage capacities to be able to download and store HD media practically. However, in my opinion, many people (myself included) do like to be able to actually see and handle the media (in a disc format) - so not sure how that would work.
Having said this, I still hope that Blu-ray turns out to be the dominant format. My reasons for this are simple - it has more capacity. If both Blu-ray and HD-DVD are capable of giving similar HD experience, then I would choose the one with the most capacity.
As for your comment regarding the price, the price difference between most DVDs and Blu-rays is at a minimum 1-2 dollars and maximum 10 dollars. I don't think that counts as too expensive.
Anyway, I think that this analyst is a paid talking head as well. The reason I think he is not honest is this quote of his: "Enderle also shed some light as to why Dreamworks and Paramount supported the HD-DVD. He explained that while there seems to have been some US$ 250 million in incentives doled out, the more compelling reason was that the two companies saw Blu-ray's failure coming and abandoned ship."
Any sane person could have seen that, at the time Paramount/Dreamworks did their jump, Blu-ray was in a pretty good position, as far as its competition was concerned. The only entity not supporting BR was Universal, and that might have changed if Paramount/Dreamworks had stayed. Hell, if you just went online, it had seemed as if, other than Universal, everything was going BR's way. So the reason Paramount/Dreamworks jumped was NOT a logical estimate of where BR would be in a years' time, but plain greed fed by a bribe.
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be it Blu-ray of HD-DVD. 3) ur high def format mdeia: HD-DVD of Blu-ray. 4) a 5.1 or more digital dobly to output high def sound for optimum experience. These are the composite goods for the high def experience for today and lets be real, how many people have that kind of money to spend now of these products? not many at all. Everyone keeps saying, the lower priced product will win! is that really the case? is getting the high def experience cheap in anyway today? no its not. I personally love the high def experience but the average consumer cannot afford it now and will have to wait till these composite goods become affordable to them. till then, its really sorry to say, but dvds will still be watched for some time.
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That sounds like a location issue. I live in the Chicago suburbs and over here, I find that Blu-rays are usually affordable. However, I see your point.
About the price point of Blu-ray players or HD-DVD players, I agree that for most people, they might be expensive. However, for quality aficionados, they might not be - after all, even a good Denon DVD player can go 500+. Also, for all PS3 Gamers who are into collecting movies, I think that they have a ready-made updateable hi-def player right there.
As for the price of the HDTV, yeah, I guess that can be expensive as well. But I see more and more people buying them all the time. Hell, even my friend (actually, my wife's friend's husband) went ahead and got a Sony 52" XBR2 recently, and they are not even too aware of the competing technologies, nor are they very rich. Even I got my HDTV way before the PS3 came out. And I can only see the market for HDTVs improving over time, which will lead to people opting for media which can make the most out of their TVs.
"I just want this format war to end soon,"
- Amen :) . I just want to buy my movies without worrying whether there will be a compatible player available or not in 2 years.
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Why did Sony waste too much time pushing a format(UMD) that didnt even exist. I kno im making no sense but wot im trying to say is, how cud a format win if only a PSP can play it? It ok for games though
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possibility (*something new*)>DVD>Blu-ray>HD-DVD
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKABiRR45KQ
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these guys don't know sh*t they just mad.
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This is a situation where its not which is better but which format will become mainstream. There is also a risk that neither become mainstream as technology moves so fast that we may have an alternative sooner than we think
Without sounding snobbish it is also a relevant to bring in the masses. Most of the comments made are done so by people with good insight and an awareness of the technologies. This is not the masses. The vast majority of people have no idea, I do not make this statement lightly. These people are not stupid they just (a) do not care. (b) want the best that they can afford. (c) very often accept the info a salesman offers them. Most of the people here commenting if entering a shop are already well informed and have already made some form of opinion as to what they regard as a well educated choice and will not be fooled or coerced into purchasing a product they do not understand. Money is almost always the winner not the technology. Yes DVD were expensive but the technology which is from Philips was already more than 10 years old. Remember the laser disc?
It failed due to price and was too advanced for most in house standard stereos etc. Philips approached Sony and a deal was made. Philips was recognized as the inventor of the DVD but Sony was credited as the first manufacturer. I own a 360 but I believe that Sony and Blu Ray are technically superior. My point here is choice.
The 360 for me was expensive but cheaper and the games I play and have played the last 18 months have been entertaining. After all thats what we buy a console for, to be entertained. We are now already at a point with technology where hard drives are on the way out. Large non volatile memory chips are becoming affordable and in reality are cheaper than my first external 20mb hard drive. Yes I am almost 50 so I know what i paid for technology in the past.
Blu Ray in the PS3 may be ahead of its time and this may effect sales. Blu Ray if it succeeds or not is a technology that is not mainstream. HD is already a format that is readily accessable and does not have to compete as it here to stay. HD internet downloads. HD to portable memory or any storage medium is already happening. The hardware conflicts between 2 camps are HD DVD and Blu Ray manufacturers as both see a huge net profit to be gained if their format becomes mainstream. This is where I see us the consumer losing out.
The conflict is costing money and in the end the consumer always pays.
Internet video streaming and HD is here already, memory chips are affordable and there are independent gadjets that can read the chip and transfer HD signal to your projector or (TV) screen. If I consider this fact the HD DVD as Hardware is actually only a supplemental device. Blu Ray is a technology that will continue in development and I believe will eventually find its place in the market. With regard to the PS3 it will not kill but it is definately hurting the acceptance of the product at this present time.
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What's next:
IKEA officially kills ps3.
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Right as if we believe you MCS, The fact is PS3 isn't dead and neither is blu-ray, its only getting warmed up.
"I think sony's biggest screw up overall is not submitting blu ray to the DVD forum for approval as the new industry standard media format. They just got greedy and thought they could win a drawn out media war."
Um not they went with Blu-ray cause of its big advantage in this gen and over HD-DVD and soon it will shine. Don't talk about greedy, MS isn't a saint company you know.
"I probably never would have thought the PS3 was too expensive if you could play any HD movie on the PS3."
Your serious right! I mean all you do is say how expensive it is and how much you hate it and praise the 360, seriously stop being a hypocrite.
@Jobo50
" Its kinda funny, your all talking about how good blu-ray is, and yet UMD movies died, every movie release said "release on dvd and UMD disc" but UMD movies failed, i blame sony. Even tho blu-ray is winning 2:1 that doesnt mean HD-DVD has lost, just a slow start, just like the ps3, the ps3 could still win the console wars for all we know."
Um UMD's hasn't failed it just hasn't been utilized enough kinda like devs with the PS3 technology and BS comments from EA, as they say how bad and complex their system is as they screw up on there own work. UMD's will see a big lift and PSP sales when FF7 crisis core and God of war Chains of Olympus comes out. Same goes for PS3 and Blu-ray sales when the great games that is coming out and in 08. Then you guys will look foolish.
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And by way of note, I happen to have a first generation Sony DVD player, and it still works fine.
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