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Was the PS3 really shown at E3 - or was it just an Xbox 360 and a PC?

Posted May 13, 2006 at 7:46AM EST by QJ Staff

Listed in: PS3, Xbox 360 Tags: e3, industry news

Rumours have been circling the Internet recently, related to the presence of Sony's PS3 at this years E3 gaming expo in LA. IGN has claimed that an Assassins Creed Demo was actually being run on Xbox360 hardware. The IGN article has since been removed, but here's a quote of the article:

"Ubisoft Montreal revealed its next incredible project, Assassins: Creed, exclusively for PlayStation 3 at E3 this year, much to the delight of Sony console fans and to the dismay of Microsoft consoles fans. Ubisoft officially would not comment on a possible Xbox 360 version.

According to sources close to the company, however, there are potential plans for an Xbox 360 version at Assassins: Creed sometime in 2007. Additionally, Microsoft sources who asked not to be mentioned by name, claimed the demo, hidden behind closed doors at E3, was running on an Xbox 360 using a third-party USB PlayStation controller. The game system was hidden in a stand covered by a sheet. Again, Ubisoft officials would not comment."

Theinquirer also claim that Gran Turismo HD was being run on a PC, not a PS3:

"Look closely at that title, it is object rich, interactive, happy and pretty, everything you would expect from a next gen title on a next gen console.

Has Wii seen the marquee launch title? Has Wii found the dev team that managed to crack the cell coding puzzle? Found the next Jeff Minter? What did the Gran Turismo team do? What did Sony do?

Well, the version of Gran Turismo, ostensibly running on a PS3, is really running on a PC. Is Sony trying to tell us that a PC is a better gaming platform than the upcoming $600 beastie, or is it the other way around?

Either way, this would be very embarrassing for them if it got out, so make sure not to tell anyone."

These are only rumours, but considering the setbacks that Sony have made recently with the PS3's release date, there is a possibility that both of these rumours could be true. What do you think?

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and can any of you actually confirm you saw a 360 instead of a ps3, and how do you know that the ps3 constantly crashes, or the 360 being easy to develop for. i cant stand fanboys!! all you do is back your console like little immature peeps. granted 360 is great...wen it works, ive had 4 bloody consoles since release cos it crashes, stop spreading bullsh*t romours and having fanboys moan 360this n ps3 that. if it aint gonna be an intellectual comment, dont *****ing publish it

# GTHD is GT4 — Guest 2006-05-13 09:21

Why is there the idea that Gran Turismo HD is a new game? Its just GT4 modified slightly and run at 1080 HD resolution - which explains why its 'object rich, interactive, happy and pretty"

It is NOT a next-gen title ... just simply a representation of a GT game running at full HD

# LOL — Guest 2006-05-13 09:21

does sony really suck this bad they should just give up

# word — Guest 2006-05-13 09:22

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# LOLZZZ — Guest 2006-05-13 09:29

OMG< SONY WHAT IDIOTS LOLZZZZZZZ.......

# Who cares? — Guest 2006-05-13 09:31

So what if the PS3 wasnt at E3. As long as the game looks like its supposed to then who really cares??

# I realize what is going on — Guest 2006-05-13 09:34

Even if everybody knows that GTHD is really GT4x12 = 1080p, that was enough to put the rumours machine (BlackOPs) to work because

x360 is no capable to do the same.

Additionally, is expected that Assassins Creed becomes a major title and is not comming to x360 anytime soon, why? I dont know but some people is telling that x360 is not powerful enough.

# not a rumor — Guest 2006-05-13 09:36

Its not rumor at all that the 360 is much easier to develop for. Ive read multiple interviews with devs saying the cell is very complex to code for. I even read a article with John Carmack (Lead design ad ID) he said both systems are excellent but that the 360 is more streamlined and the tool set is LEAPS beyond that of what sony offers to devolpment teams, he also stated that the power of the ps3 was slightly more powerful then a 360. Noone on this board is claiming they saw a 360 (atleast not yet) IGN says the hardware they used was actually a 360.

# Lethal is correct — Guest 2006-05-13 09:38

The demos are a representation of what we may expect to see in November and beyond and thats all we should worry about. (and even then we shouldn't be compeltly judging as they are in-development games)

The very best time of all to pick apart the PS3 is when it arrives in a store and someone actually has it right in front of them playing a real game off their blu-ray disc.

So until then lets not judge this system simply on 'whether Sony copied Nintendo or not' or 'whether the demos were running off hamsters' or whatever.

And theres a fair few 10yr old idiots here that believe everything they read.... QJ should avoid posting this crap unless its real official information.

# LOL^^ — TheDude 2006-05-13 09:40

Ok #10, the dominant leader of the video game industry for the past ten years should just give up. Makes tons of sense. #4 go look at some statistics of console sales and game sales for PS2 compared to Xbox and 360 and think about what you just posted. Who makes up these rumors anyway and why? Where's the proof? If this game is PS3 exclusive why the hell would it be running on 360? Some one will probably say that whole "well 360 is so easy to program for and PS3 is not." Yah I've heard that one plenty of times.I've read numerous interviews with developers that PS3 is way easier than PS2 wich was supposedly a pain. It seems the 360 might be to easy as all we've gotten so far are crappy ports and a few lackluster originals. Soon every one will be making crap games for it because it's so easy to program for. Oh well I guess all the real good programers will be making games for PS3 then.

# @thedude — Guest 2006-05-13 09:50

Ok Dude youve kinda just proved your ignorance. First thing why are you even responding to someone who posts one line about how sony sucks, responding to it just fuels the first of idiocy. As to why it would be running on a 360 is because atm its much easier to code and much more stable then a ps3 dev kit. Same reason why 360 games last year were on Pcs. Saying the ps3 is easier then Ps2 to code for is certainly a good thing but cmon alot of teams wouldnt dev for ps2 because of how ass-backwards it was in terms of architecture . As for sony being better because they sell more..if that were true GTA would be the best game EVER made and mariah carey would be the best musician ever. Lastly as for the 360 being "too" easy to develop for, what your saying is work harder not smarter because harder makes a better product. So not true.

# @thedude — Guest 2006-05-13 09:55

Ok Dude youve kinda just proved your ignorance. First thing why are you even responding to someone who posts one line about how sony sucks, responding to it just fuels the fires of idiocy. As to why it would be running on a 360 is because atm its much easier to code and much more stable then a ps3 dev kit. Same reason why 360 games last year were on Pcs. Saying the ps3 is easier then Ps2 to code for is certainly a good thing but cmon alot of teams wouldnt dev for ps2 because of how ass-backwards it was in terms of architecture . As for sony being better because they sell more..if that were true GTA would be the best game EVER made and mariah carey would be the best musician ever. Lastly as for the 360 being "too" easy to develop for, what your saying is work harder not smarter because harder makes a better product. So not true.

# BS!!!! — Guest 2006-05-13 09:58

This site has went downhill. All they post are rumors. This is supposed to be a gaming news site, not the Star News or some other gossip site.

# ...And — Guest 2006-05-13 10:02

I love the way you can all say 'bull*****' yet you know no more than the rest of us, it could be a 360 behind the both, it could be a PS3.

Does it really matter that much (other than being a bit funny for Sony haters)?

# c3p0 — CSFFlame 2006-05-13 10:21

Gran Turismoe 4 is already capable of 1080i on the PS2, so not terribly sure what they changed...

# and a wrong window mistake with c3p0 — CSFFlame 2006-05-13 10:23

Was talking with a buddy about next gen star wars games...

# No ***** ¡¡¡ — Guest 2006-05-13 10:40

"Microsoft sources who asked not to be mentioned by name, claimed the demo, hidden behind closed doors at E3, was running on an Xbox 360"

So the rumour was spread by Microsoft and you guys are believing that?

Como on, if the rumor had been spreaded by someone inside of Sony or something like that, well i would stop and think about it.

But it was Microsoft that did that, Microsoft is so afraid of what PS3 will be.

# notice a trend here? — Guest 2006-05-13 10:44

notice how almost all if not all the rumors released so far have come from microsoft?

i simply pity the fools who believes them. is this how american comanies do business, or is simply a reflection on their culture?

No japanese company would stoop this low, and you know why? its because they come from a country that values honour, manners and ettiquete.

seeing these rumors constantly coming from MS simply makes me not wanna buy there machines even more.

# *Slams Head against wall* — FreakShow! 2006-05-13 10:49

OK, if these rumours were true, WTF would SOny use an Xbox? they would just use a PC if not the PS3. THey would not go and take a rivals product.

Maybe the demos could have been run on PC, but explain the playable PS3s.

PS3 is going to be powerful. If they hype it soo much then it turns out to be nothing much, then their doomed. They would not show awesome demos when there is such a huge difference. especiialy when so much is riding on its success.

# PS3 is, was, and will always be, Nothing! — Guest 2006-05-13 10:50

Everybody complains about xbox fanboys, yet they themselves are PS fanboys.. Yappin on about how otherworldly the PS3 will be and how afraid Microsoft is and that they gotta spread rumours etc etc..

The fact is, the PS3 is *****, look at the press conference again, look at the trailers, or at the screenshots. There is absolutely, absolutely, Nothing there than can't be done on a 360, for almost half the price.

Go on and flame me, i wont read this again, im just telling you for your own good. If you want an awesome gaming platform, get the 360. If you want to act like a stupid fanboy, get the PS3, you will be happy as heck the day you get it, but every single day from that day forward you will slowly realize what a bad deal you made when you bought it, and in the end selling it in exchange for a 360.

Mark my words.

Show me ONE piece of real media footage from the PS3 that surpasses the 360, ONE. You cant, because i'm all over the place, seen every single piece of media crap, and the PS3 is looking incredibly weak.

# Is it me or MS loves to start rumors. What losers, cant they let their games do the talking — Guest 2006-05-13 10:59

MS are bunch of losers I sware. Starting rumors like this hurst them more than helps. What splineless bastards.

"I dont want to be named" Of course not what loser would.

This is MS strategy, just downplay and start rumors, what a dispicable company.

# FUD — Guest 2006-05-13 11:12

This is simply a rediculous notion, FUD at its finest.

# Kyle M you should be put on the street naked and stoned — Guest 2006-05-13 11:16

This is really the worst posting I have ever seen from QJ. To post something like this is so unprofessional that it really shows the quality of QJ. I respected you guys before but after the recent kiddy fanboy post that have been popping up, I have lost much respect.

First of all:

This is an impossibility. Xbox uses DirectX and PS3 uses a modified OpenGL library. For Ubisoft to be running on 360s would be as dumb as running Windows Vista on a powerPC Mac before moving it to a PC. I think the fact that Assasin's creed looks like a CGI movie which leaves anything on the 360 in the dust makes MS very scared at the power of the PS3. It would take a long time to port OpenGL code over to DirectX.

To be honest I have an XBOX and I love Halo 1 and 2 but after seeing the way MS continues with this ridiculous rumors like saying that games cant run at 1080P or that the PS3 is only slightly more powerful than the 360 makes me sick to my stomach. Can’t they worry about their machines? Why do they have to result to cheap rumors? I don’t care how good Halo3 is, this has put me over the top, I will never buy another MS product again. Thank you MS you making more and more Anti-Microsoft fans. Look at Slashdot for MS hate.

# !!!!!! — Guest 2006-05-13 11:19

***** you, #27!

Most of the PS3 trailers looked just as good if not better than the 360 launch games. I feel sorry for you and MS when the PS3 has been out awhile and developers really learn how to program for the beast!

# To #27 — Guest 2006-05-13 11:21

Hey, #27. Wanna see ONE piece of real media footage? Try Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, FF XIII, Getaway, Armored Core, Metal Gear Solid 4, or LAIR. Oh, heh. Sorry, must've miscounted.

Then again, Gears of War looks great! I mean, the spewing blood that never hits the floor, crouch glitches, and low framerate on final hardware is a marvel to behold. And Too Human, good lord. Seeing enemies freeze in mid-animation once more than 5 of them show up on screen reeks of next-gen 'power'. It's totally not fair to compare 1st gen 360 titles and pre-1st gen PS3 titles because Xbox developers obviously didn't have enough time. Halo 3 looked a bit better than part 2, but I was sort of hoping to see gameplay footage because you know, videos of games never turn out to be true (I mean, come on, look at Sony.)

# For footage on a gamer that looks better than anything on the 360 — Guest 2006-05-13 11:21

See resistance:

http://www.us.playstation.com/Content/OGS/GMID-018/Site/

# I was Just telling my friend — Guest 2006-05-13 11:25

about this because he thinks that assassins creed is bad because some loser on G4 said it was pre-rendered, and to read that it was running on a 360 means that it is gonna look good reguardless of it just being a video and not gameplay, but WOW its sad the same way snake put the gun in his mouth is the same way the sony seems to be ending

# Hey Professor thanks for the site — Guest 2006-05-13 11:29

Wow finally some a High Def gameplay footage of Resistance. This looks 10 times better than Gears of War.

Hey JCP, go look at Gamespot and IGN. Assasin's creed is playable at E3 and guess what it looks exactly like the cut scene.

And I also think this is the most unprofessional post here in Qj.net, but then again I dont expect too much from them.

# I thought this was a ps3 blog? — Guest 2006-05-13 11:35

Whats with all the anti ps3 bull*****??

# poor sony — Guest 2006-05-13 11:37

sorry to hurt the sony fanboys, but the folks who are making all these claims that the sony PEOPLE CURRENTLY MAKING THE FREAKING GAMES FOR IT, AND THE PEOPLE THAT TEST/ANALYZE HARDWARE FOR A LIVING, D-UH...

cliffy B talked about it at e3, you could use the pain in the butt kit and put a ton of extra work into it, and make games a bit better looking, but all that work for a "bit" most game makers probably won't bother, some will, and they will be good games, but those will be few.

and trailers show me sh*t, show me in game, and then we'll see. I saw nothing at E3 from sony that blew my mind and would make me want to spend 300$ more to get one.

# #1 ASS HOLE FOR ***** ASS BLOGS — Guest 2006-05-13 11:48

let me add to your lis

PS3 CON'T

FF13

GTA 4 ALSO

TEKKEN 6

VIRTUA FIGHTER 5

GETAWAY

DEVIL MAY CRY 4

GT VISION

RR 7

JAK AND DAXTER

RATCHET AND CLANK

GOD OF WAR 3

ETC.

SONY'S NOT RIPPING YOU OFF THERE JUST NOT GIVING YOU A CHOICE.

SONY =499-599 BLURAY 20-60GB HD MEMORY SLOTS

360=299-399+POSSBILE HDDVD ADDON "OVER 100 DOLLARS"

HOW ARE YOU BEING RIPPED !!!!

CANT AFFORD IT STFU AND GO PLAY OUTSIDE NOONES TELLING YOU TO BUY ANY THING STOP COMPLAINING......

YOU NEED MONEY ILL CAN FIND YOU A STREET CORNER!!!

# Is not about just graphics anymore is about physics and multiple calcs — Guest 2006-05-13 11:49

Is about:

* Is about every enemy to have it's own Unique AI

* Is about Blood dropping to the floor and weting it.

* Is about knocking a person down on a table and seeing it break differently everytime you do.

* Is about bringing gamers into an environment where they feel so Immersed that they feel like they have been transfered into a new world.

* Comparing the 360 to the PS3 is like comparing the DS power to the PSP.

* Once the need for media becomes great the 360 will be left behind and they will have to come out with another version just to keep up.

* It seems since the 360 came out the PS2 is still outselling it monthly

Are FPSs the only games you guys want to play? Why not just use your PCs and just play them there. I really see no point. Now that Xbox Live will be coming to the aswell there really is no point for anyone to get a 360.

# Microsoft Sux — Guest 2006-05-13 11:50

Playstation and SOny Video Gaming All the way man Microsoft needs to get their ***** together and stop makin ghetto ass ***** Sony is going to revolutionize the gaming industry and ppl like to say that Playstion is slow on getting there stuff out its not true because they havent gotten PS3 out yet because PSP just came out

# a — Guest 2006-05-13 12:09

sony is the new sega. HAHA

# hmm — Guest 2006-05-13 12:17

All ppl saying sony sux because they are scared that microsoft will lose in this compitition

period.

# . — Guest 2006-05-13 12:52

lmfao this was probably a trap set up to see what moronic media picked it up. nice going :)

# actually... — Guest 2006-05-13 13:12

its rumored that all the ps3 were actually wii's

that j allard actually works for sony

and that no one gives a crap about what anyone else says

xbox fanboys stay xbox fanboys

ps fanboys stay ps fanboys

comments from both sides wont change a f ing thing about what the other thinks so this SHOULD stop here.

# but America is still place most want to be — Guest 2006-05-13 13:15

25. » notice a trend here?

notice how almost all if not all the rumors released so far have come from microsoft?

i simply pity the fools who believes them. is this how american comanies do business, or is simply a reflection on their culture?

No japanese company would stoop this low, and you know why? its because they come from a country that values honour, manners and ettiquete.

seeing these rumors constantly coming from MS simply makes me not wanna buy there machines even more.

alright i couldnt pass this one one up maybe its cause im american and well i dont care about the dumb part but this part has to be the funniest thing ive seen in a long time lol

i simply pity the fools who believes them. is this how american comanies do business, or is simply a reflection on their culture?

No japanese company would stoop this low, and you know why? its because they come from a country that values honour, manners and ettiquete.

seeing these rumors constantly coming from MS simply makes me not wanna buy there machines even more.

did you ever listen to sony about the ps2..and the emotion engine the rumors..lies and bs..it didnt look even close to the tech demos they had lol....we can talk about the psp...promised no forced firmware upgrades...touted this and that i beleive the hype and bs and guess what wasted 250 i sold mine and got a ds not cause a ds is better but the game selection was better and i had more fun with it the psp has 90% strait ports of what i played on the ps2....now lets talk about rumors and bull***** they all do it....its why its called a rumor..did you miss highschool? lol cause thats what it was one big building of rumors lol

# Amazing — Guest 2006-05-13 13:27

It cracks me up that there are so many people that believe a retarded rumor such as this....

Of course anyone who dislikes Sony would say something like this. But this is completely and blatenly ridiculous, yet fanboys still believe....

Simply Amazing

# 40 — Guest 2006-05-13 13:30

God of war 3 is not anoused yet

And ps3 is a rip off i mean $200 more for 1080P? WTF

# This is funny? Yawn — Guest 2006-05-13 13:33

I have a 360 and let me tell you its great. Ive been loving since i got it on launch. Ive awaited PS3 since they announced and im still siked.

Yet i can never understand fanboys with there useless insults and there potty mouths trying to act all big. MS fanboys never give another product a chance and they same goes with sony fanboys. But i see more fanboys from MS saying how PS3 is so bad and the GFX suck. Have you ever thought its not always about the GFX but gameplay, physics, AI, and innovation. MOst the games i have seen look very different and unique. The developers on sonys side seem to be focusing on fresh new gameplay. Its not to say that MS isnt either. I see more coming from the dev. from sony though.

Also the other people that say that PS3 GFX suck and dont compare to xbox360. Thats just a bunch of bull*****. I am suprised at how pre-first gen titles are looking. They are looking equivalent to these second gen games from MS. One more thing to add on the GFX subject. You do know that almost all of those games seen are only 15-30% complete except heavenly sword and reisistance and they both look great. And one more thing they where never running on final dev kits which can make a world of a difference. They just got them days before E3.

Also for all the people that believe ign you should have a sticker on your forehead that says gullible. IGN has been known to post bull ***** articles. Also if none have you have noticed IGN seems to sway towards MS alot. They say they are not a biased website but they are.

# wtf are you talking about #53 — Guest 2006-05-13 14:12

ign is one of the best gaming sites out there now if we're talking about biased sites the #1 should be 1up followed by gamespot but lately gamespot has been doin a good job with there post and doing there research

# playable demos? — Guest 2006-05-13 16:44

playable demos for the ps3? where? all i saw was a sony exec tilt a controller around and a few really quick and flashy battle sequences, and ff 13 lemme not start on how that was all fmv with some quickie menus thrown in where the quality suddenly dropped in the video. for now im happy with my 360, when i have a ps3 in my hands with great graphics THEN i will also add the ps3 to my list of great consoles. till then i go with what i see not with what i see on a screen at a show.

# Still yawning. — Guest 2006-05-13 16:58

There where many playable demos. Resistance, Heavenly sword, gundam, motorstorm. Im not sure what else. Also to #54 ign is the most biased website in the entire planet. Gamespot is not biased what so ever. I remember last year IGN had some bull***** article up and everyone had to believe it since it was on IGN. IGN always finds the right time to post bull*****.

# pavey 2006-05-13 17:43

fanboys need to shut the fk up, who gives a fk there not going to relese a ps3 that crashes constatly, there gonna bloody fix it, its gonna still have the same fkn gfx

# I know who the dumbass is among us. — Vecha 2006-05-13 17:50

"Comparing the 360 to the PS3 is like comparing the DS power to the PSP."

One. You are a dumbass to compare these two.

two. The DS is outselling the psp.

three. The 360 is not 100times less powerful the then ps3.

# OMFG ARE YOU STUPID — Guest 2006-05-13 18:53

Well for the idiots out there who dont know, what the hell do you think they use to develop a PS3 game? 3 bagles, and a toaster? F*** NO. They use a PC. Oh yeah and do you think they could just go ahead and make a deal with MS. Sony- "Hey can you develop a PS3 Game Demo for us?" MS- "Sure we'll do all that we can so your PS3 sales go up." Oh yeah I almost forgot I had some instructions for the believers of this crap, go to walmart and buy a huge tank of Elmers Glue (like you usually do). Instead of sniffing it all up, it might go faster if you drink it. The great and honorable "STICKING IT TO IDIOTS" has spoken.

# to NI.GG.ER — Guest 2006-05-13 19:02

You stay off that glue and switch to something a little safer. Might I suggest some drug you havent tried yet. Lets see, nope,nope,nope, tried that, nope, and nope. whats something you havent tried.

# to haters — Guest 2006-05-13 19:12

You haters must be the most uneducated people in the world. I must say a much harder find than the smartest. If sony is going to spend that much on the blueray. Why would they do this if it wouldnt be good. It just has to. Well I guess I should agree with you "expert game designers". Looking at your years a game console development. I mean you guys know best.

# Prove my point — Vietone 2006-05-13 20:37

So its easy to develop for because thats what they are currently using anyways. Anything new will take time to learn and harder to use. But in the end once games are out and the developers get a feel for how to code for the PS3 they will be able to develop for both with no difference in difficulty.

You all say that devs say its harder but you all know nothing about how to code at all. Would a HTML coder whos been coing for years say its easy to make web sites in HTML? Yes. Would that same HTML coder who has to start using PHP and CGI scripts say that PHP and CGI are easy to code with? No they wouldnt.

But ask them a few months later after getting familair with the new code and they will say its easy once again to do their job.

One thing i notice is everyone who is complaining about the price cant afford the price. You may not want to play games in 1080p or have the latest and greatest in one box. But there are plenty of high paying customers to fill your space.

600 bucks is cheap these days. If your not making enough to spend 600 bucks then your either, too young to waste time playing games, too uneducated to get a better paying job, or you just dont know how to manage your money.

# Sony is getting killed — Guest 2006-05-13 21:01

Xbox 360>>>>PS3

You can buy a 360 and a Wii for a price of a PS3.

# lol. More BS from the Inquirer. — Guest 2006-05-13 21:55

This is total bullshat. and 64, You can buy a PS3 and a WII for the price of your mom. Die.

# ... — Guest 2006-05-14 00:21

DigiTimes Systems has reported a rather bold statement from SCEA exec Tetsuhiko Yasuda. According to him, "Sony does not regard Xbox as a competitor. Rather, the company may even consider working with Microsoft to develop games together.

# I pity the foo' — Guest 2006-05-14 01:31

Sony is digging themselves into a never ending hole... of crap...

Face it,

they stole most of the stuff on their controller from other consoles...

The guide button - 360

The shoulder buttons - 360

The motion sensors - Wii

The player lights ID - 360 + Wii

And the fact that their packages are absolute bollocks...

All this kinda makes thier 'ps3' a combination of other consoles...

Poor show Sony, Poor show.

# Not true at all. — Chavagnatze 2006-05-14 01:47

To #66. When Sony sat down to design the Dual Shock Controller in 1993-1994 all of those ideas were thrown around. Some of them were to expensive to put into the consumer product. Guide or "home" buttons are always features of devices of this nature that handle media. TIVO, many digital cable or satelite tuning boxes, and so on have guide buttons.

Come on, do you really thing motion sensing technology is new. For example the helmet to *****pit instrument motion sensing in the AH-64 Apache. That stuff was developed in the late 70's.

# Continued — Chavagnatze 2006-05-14 01:50

The Wii's (Revolution's) technology works exactly the same as the avionics in the Apache. (Just as an example).

# To the GT criticizers — Guest 2006-05-14 02:21

Sure, GT might be little more than GT4 at a higher resolution, but can you tell me what 360 game so far has really proven to be 'next-gen'? I have a 360, and while I enjoy it thoroughly, few if any games for it are really that much more impressive than the last generation (graphics aside). The only expcetions I would say are GRAW and Condemned, even BF2 is a port (I love it, but it's nothing really next-gen).

# Idiots — Vietone 2006-05-14 03:42

The guide button - 360

And they copied it from every other home electronics device. The PSP had the home button that did the same thing. So Sony had it first.

The shoulder buttons - 360

They stole this from Sony. the original Dual shock had preassure sensitive shoulder buttons so in fact sony was the first mainstream company to incorporate buttons that are dynamic to how much preassure you apply. All MS did was change it from preassure sensitive to an analog button.

The motion sensors - Wii

Uh, huh, They might have only added the idea after Nintendo did but its microsoft scratching their heads asking themselvfes why didnt they do this too.

The player lights ID - 360 + Wii

Im sorry but wireless devices have been doing this for years. You obviously have never seen the logitech and other companies lines of wireless controllers.

The xbox360 controller is only unique in its layout.

Rumble : Copied

Dual Analog Sticks : Copied

ABYX Buttons : Copied

Trigger Buttons : Copied

The only thing thats remotly unique on the Xbox360 controller is the guide, back, white and black button.

The PS2 controller had 12 buttons

The original xbox controller had 12 buttons.

Copied the same number of buttons just added one more.

# Um can you say owned. — Guest 2006-05-14 04:00

Xbox360

1. core system - $300

2. 20g HDD - $100

3. Wireless internet - $100

4. Wireless controller -$50

5. HD-DVD -$100 to $200 (just plays movies)

6. ONline gaming - $50 a year

= $700 - $800

PS3

1. $599

2. COmes with 60g HDD (40g more than 360)

3. comes with wifi (blue tooth)

4. comes with wireless controller

5. Comes with blu - ray player (plays games and movies)

6. Online gaming - free

*what it has over 360*

7. HDMI for true HD gaming

8. 1080p games (not all but most)

9. Can play PS1 and PS2 games

10. Has flash card drivesand others

= Still only $599

I wonder which seems like the better deal.

# #25 — Guest 2006-05-14 04:20

To number 25 sony stooped quite low to copy the Wii remote and then caledl it the Wiimote. Just business eh.

# to number 72 — Guest 2006-05-14 06:01

number 72.. your math is flawed!

Xbox360

1. Prem. - $399

comes with:

Wireless controller

Headset

HDD (20gb)

2. HD-DVD add-on ($100ish)

3. Wireless Internet ($70-$100) (no point really, routers work fine, more so when going from place to place with it, plus don't buy the xbox brand one)

4. Xbox Live ($50) (includes xbox live arcade, other dnlds, soon to be direct tv access, free chat)

total- 649, (give or take for the hd dvd)

PS3

1. "prem." $599

comes w/

60 gb HDD

wireless controller

wireless intenet

blu-ray (forced buy)

2. free online gaming

total- $599

good thing about 360, lets say i don't want hd dvd, it is just 549 then. oh and wait! i don't want wi-fi... 449!... WOW!

at least with 360 i have a choice to get what i want and not pay for ***** i'm not going to use.'

it is consumer friendly.

# number 70. ... were you born backwards or something? — Guest 2006-05-14 06:39

The guide button - 360

And they copied it from every other home electronics device. The PSP had the home button that did the same thing. So Sony had it first.

-We are talking about consoles here buddy.-

The shoulder buttons - 360

They stole this from Sony. the original Dual shock had preassure sensitive shoulder buttons so in fact sony was the first mainstream company to incorporate buttons that are dynamic to how much preassure you apply. All MS did was change it from preassure sensitive to an analog button.

-Dunno where you've been but before Sony changed their mind and went back to their current ps3 controller they had a *****ty one that didnt have shoulder buttons, so infact they did steal is from MS-

The motion sensors - Wii

Uh, huh, They might have only added the idea after Nintendo did but its microsoft scratching their heads asking themselvfes why didnt they do this too.

-You have no arguement-

The player lights ID - 360 + Wii

Im sorry but wireless devices have been doing this for years. You obviously have never seen the logitech and other companies lines of wireless controllers.

-Yes i have as im looking at mine right now. But as with the shoulder button, Sony only added this AFTER they changed their mind and realised that their old ps3 controller was crap.-

The xbox360 controller is only unique in its layout.

Rumble : Copied

-Thats standard in any console controller-

Dual Analog Sticks : Copied

-Standard-

ABYX Buttons : Copied

-Errr-

Trigger Buttons : Copied

-Standard-

The only thing thats remotly unique on the Xbox360 controller is the guide, back, white and black button.

-Have you been taking something? Because i really dont see a white and black button on my 360 controller...-

The PS2 controller had 12 buttons

The original xbox controller had 12 buttons.

Copied the same number of buttons just added one more.

-I'd say the number of buttons was also standard but there is some arguement there...

The only half decent point you've made.-

# BibleGod to stupid human, "dude, the earth is flat" — Guest 2006-05-14 06:43

So, all of those dev kits one on top of another were just an illusion according to some of you. At 1st I could not believe that a rumor like this would even work....and then i realize that most of the people on this planet still believe that there is an INVISIBLE MAN IN THE SKY THAT KNOWS EVERYTHING. So, I see why such a rediculous rumor can keep going and going and going.

# Agree — Guest 2006-05-14 06:48

I think the Psyko gus is right! you should all kiss his shoes, he is now your new god! Everything he sais is so so right!

# Infadel #77 — Guest 2006-05-14 06:58

Silence hethen fool! The FSM is the one true GOD!!!

'Come and be touched by his noodley appendage."

"Stop global warming....become a Pirate."

For a new awakening goto www.venganza.org

Praise be the "Beer Volcano"

Praise be the "Stripper Factory"

Praise be the Flying Spaggetti Monster"

# -> 78. ... — Guest 2006-05-14 07:41

You really, really worry me.

# psyKo — Guest 2006-05-14 08:08

The FSM is a satirical concept to poke fun at all of the ID crap that the bible belt is trying to push down peoples throats. Satire or not, The Church of The Flying Spaggetti Monster is more believable (and desireable) to me than a BibleGod (the Church) who uses FEAR, HATE, DISCRIMINATION, TORTURE, RAPE, GENOCIDE, (THE LIST GOES ON AND ON...JUST READ THE BIBLE) to get the masses of lemmings and sheep to follow the ideas of a few "Old feable Men in Rome or Mecca" or wherever to basically control and do the bidding and worship of other humans who "claim to know

GOD better than you do". BSBSBSBSBSBSBS

THERE IS NO INVISIBLE MAN IN THE SKY

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THE BEER VOLCANO

AND THE STRIPPER FACTORY

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# #25 — Rammek 2006-05-14 08:33

Yes, it is American culture. The entire country is on a big down swing that shows no sign of letting up. Economy is tanking, police state slowly taking over, a monkey for a leader, and a corporate culture that rules all, etc etc. Wave an American flag in any MS xbox fanboy's face and you'll see their true colour. They only cheer for crap like the 360 because they are conditioned to cheer for anything American regardless of whether it's better or not. Sad. Pathetic. Indeed.

# @ 25 + 81 — Guest 2006-05-14 09:30

Hardly.

I'm not american... do you see me going 'ooo, xbox 360...blah blah' ? NO.

If you want a prime example of a 'fanboy' or favouritism rather... take a look at no. 70. (the person that copied what i had said and commented on each point)

He is so anti-MS/xbox 360 it's laughable.

He doesn't even have his facts straight, like most people in this thread.

I watched the press conferences, i've read up on the consoles. I think i can tell a 'fanboy' when i see one.

So to comment on your point (no. 25)-

No, It has nothing to do with culture, Nationality or whatever crazy ***** you want to call it. Like i said most people don't know about half the crap theyre talking about.

Thank you :)

# wow... — Guest 2006-05-14 10:07

How *****ing stupid do you have to be to think that a game being developed for a certain console is being played on another...When Assassin's Creed was called "Project Assassin" in 2005, it was being developed for PS3 and the 360 but they decided the 360 was too weak, because it is.

Gran Turismo on a PC? WTF, are you retarded? No PC can handle a PS3-architecture game, for a simple reason that it doesn't have a 7-core Cell CPU. lawl@all of you

# ... — Guest 2006-05-14 10:47

Clearly YOU (no. 84) know ***** all.

# ... — Guest 2006-05-14 10:48

May i add to that:

'Fanboy'

# wow — Guest 2006-05-14 10:48

WOW #84 go shoot yourself or something to rid us of your idiocy. If u knew anything youd realize the 360 and ps3 arent that different in terms of power. As for whether they could run a ps3 game on a PC, ofcourse they could it just takes some time to tune for the different CPU. Cell isnt a 7core cpu btw its i believe 1-2 cores with 7 spus(i think it works similar to cores but not the same thing) out of the 7 only 6 are in the PS3 cell, 1 of which is dedicated for the linux OS. I have a good feeling that the game isnt being devloped exclusively for ps3 they would cut out a HUGE player base doing that. Not only that its mainly the team that worked on the prince of persia series which as well all know went to ALL systems including the ps2 which is by far weaker then the xbox. Actually the difference between the xbox1 and ps2 is a much larger gap in terms of real power then the 360 and ps3. Im also curious as to how the cheaper ps3 will play true HD games/movies without HDMI probably a update to HDCP will make it so component cables with be able to display the image anyway. Lastly one thing ive been thinkin bout is if i do buy a ps3 and blu-ray bites the dust in terms of movies wheres the benefit of spending that extra 100-200 dollars? whether or not BD will work out is up in the air i dont think its looking good. Just by following sonys track record as far as storage mediums go its not looking to hot, now i know people will retort saying that sony has much more of a folowing in terms of production companies supporting BD which is really not true both hd-dvd and BD have support of all major film companies with the exception of Universal which is supporting HD-DVD and MGM (owned partially by sony) which is supporting BD. So i recommend people not be stupid and buy a ps3 or a 360 and wait for the mediums wars to blow over then decide.

# ! — Guest 2006-05-14 10:52

I second that.

# to 87 — Guest 2006-05-14 12:16

about your last few sentences...

The great thing about Xbox 360 is you dont have to buy the HDDVD upgrade if you dont want it. I personally wont be buying the upgrade because regular movies are perfectly fine for my needs.

# WHO CARES — Guest 2006-05-14 12:46

The game sucks anyways does it really matter if it comes to any system?

# To # 74 — Guest 2006-05-14 14:59

My math isnt flawed at all. You will eventually buy an HD-DVD add on because the times are changing. Soon the new formats like blu ray and HD-DVD will be the standard. Soon most people will have an HDTV. See i have an HDTV that supports 1080p. So i will want the blu ray player. Also the PS3 still has a 40g advantage over the 360s HDD. You would have to buy two more 20g hard drives to have as much space than the PS3 HDD. Which thats another $200. I bet if sony did what MS did people wouldnt be complaining as much. But they see this big price but you ebd up saving in the end.

# Pre-school Journalism — Guest 2006-05-14 15:29

Come on guys....think about why IGN pullled the story. Because it was BOGUS.

# no. — Guest 2006-05-14 15:33

"You will eventually buy an HD-DVD add on because the times are changing"

no you won't.

I could decide to buy a stand alone blu ray player( i have a 360) instead of getting a ***** add on or buying a ps3 for a ***** added blu ray player.

they are gaming consoles.

That is why I buy them.

Not for the dvd/cd/hd-dvd/br player accessory..because they are just that...added features that are not as well made as the stand alone products.

# funny — Thorlord 2006-05-14 16:00

i love how whenever bad news about the PS3 comes out. all the PS fanboys scream "RUMOR CREATED BY MICROSOFT NOT TRUE!!!!!"

me?

i doubt that this rumor is true, if it was true, then it would have gone just the way it is.

but if it wasent true, im sure that sony, ubisoft, or ANYONE THERE would have said "uh, no it was a PS3, stupid question.. next."

christ...

# yeah ok killfox.. keep thinking that — Guest 2006-05-14 17:30

i don't have to buy anything! - you do realize even though dvd became mainstream, VHS is still produced!..

i want a blu-ray or hd dvd i could care less, but i'll wait, and get either when they are cheaper.. like who knows the add-on could creep down to like 50-75 at one point in time... and 20gb for my 360 is enough, in due time if there is a reason for me to need more space, i'm sure i can make due and get something new... rather than handing a product to you and saying ok, you are set... microsoft will cater to their cutomers. yeah it might have to buy something, but luckily microsoft can spread out fixed costs easily.

# I wonder... — Guest 2006-05-14 22:17

If blue ray ends up loosing the format wars then the PS3 bluray fuctionality would be useless but if it ends up being the winning format everyone would be forced to get a blu ray player and from the looks of it, it might (most movie studios support it over HD DVD). HD DVD for X360 is an afterthought, a way for MS to try and stick it to sony and it's new format, even when the HD DVD might not work.

But back to the rumors, The wiimote was actually a PS3 controller posing as a wiimote, the X360 is actually a dreamcast with more RAM the PS3 is a 360 made by Nintendo and fanboys are going to end by tomorrow ¬_¬ don't be so gullible just because you already spent your money on a console that is not making too many great games, it's ok to be angry.

# To #93 and #95 — Guest 2006-05-15 05:17

Sony said the one in PS3 will actually be better than the ones sold in stores because of cell and RSX helping it. Also have fun buying a stand alone blu ray or HD-DVD player since there $1500. PS3 is the cheapest blu ray player and will be for quite some time. I doubt the add on will creep down that much in the next year. You must be smoking something. Also its not 20g its 13g. Stupid noob. Also i have not seen one TV commercial for a movie that siad on VHS in a long time. VHS is dead. DVD is still alive but will die soon once more people buy HDTVs and once they become even cheaper. I want a blu ray player so i actually can enjoy my games at true HD resolution, 1080p. Sucks to be you if you dont have a TV that supports that. Also #95 you make it sound like blu ray and HD-DVD will never be excepted. You and your crack pot theories. Cheers mates. #96 you are right PS3 will have many great games and sont has always had the best franchises on there side.

# hmm — Guest 2006-05-15 05:22

Well i couldn't really care less about the HD DVD add on at the moment.

About the 20 GB hard drive that the 360 has... I was just flicking through a mag last week and i saw an article that said that MS are thinking about making a 100GB hard drive... I'm not saying they are... i just read it ;)

And lol to no. 76

# To #98 — Guest 2006-05-15 05:26

Ive known this for awhile but i doubt it will be a $100 since the 20g is $100. Maybe somewhere between $150-200 and maybe even more.

# oops — Guest 2006-05-15 05:26

sorry... lol at no. 96* ;)

# uhuh — Guest 2006-05-15 05:33

yep killafox, im not sure of the price either. Your guess is as good as mine ;)

But lets just hope it comes out soon.

Also at your #97 post... a lot of people dont have HDTVs... dont say 'sucks to be you'... they aren't cheap and most people don't think they need one just yet... ;)

I either run my 360 off my TV or PC monitor (so i can have HD :) )

Anyway... must get back to more important things... (games)

# Im done. — Guest 2006-05-15 05:46

Atleast you where smart and are running it off your PC monitor using VGA cables. You are right its all about the games. I know i will have fun with both my 360 and PS3.

# :) — Guest 2006-05-16 08:01

Well just have fun on whatever platform you play on ;)

# sdfgjkl — Guest 2006-05-17 04:49

got any proof?

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