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Phil Harrison Responds to Wii60 Alliance

Posted May 14, 2006 at 11:44AM EST by QJ Staff

Listed in: PS3, Wii, Xbox 360 Tags: e3, industry news
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Many of you may remember a previous news post where Peter Moore of Microsoft said the following, "Tell me why you would buy a $600 PS3? People are going to buy two [consoles]. They're going to buy an Xbox [360] and they're going to buy a Wii... for the price of one PS3." Now, GamePro has interviewed Phil Harrison of Sony for his take on this. What did he have to say?

"I think Peter Moore is exactly right. I think Nintendo will be the second system consumers purchase after PlayStation 3."


I haven't had a chance to check out the Wii myself, but Nintendo has a great history of innovation and has always done great things for gaming and long may they do so. But as it relates to our strategy they are very much in a different market.


"I know what Peter was getting at with his price point issue but he's not comparing apples to oranges. He's not even comparing the same kind of food products at all. It's clearly a case that PlayStation 3's price is justified by PlayStation 3's value. That's what consumers base their purchasing decisions on -- value."


I'd argue that not only was Moore comparing the same food product, he was comparing two of the same fruit. I also believe that people will get the Wii as either their first or second console. They'll back up their Wii with a 360 or PS3. That or they'll back up their PS3 or 360 with a Wii. Moore seems to realize what Harrison doesn't. There seems to be two types of projects right now. 360 and PS3 and Wii-exclusive. The PS3 and 360 obviously have exclusives of their own, but most of the titles are multiplatform. They systems are almost identical. Just look at Xbox Live and what Sony is trying to do! Do you feel like buying two of what might be the same system before buying a third?

I think I rambled. Please don't start a 130-post flame war this time. Pretty please?





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# wowGuest 2006-05-14 12:48
lol

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# Wii60.. awesome nameGuest 2006-05-14 12:58
way more clever than the PS3 with the dollar sign.

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# lolsoapinmouth 2006-05-14 12:59
that flame war was fun

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# Ha wowGuest 2006-05-14 13:03
ps3 is the best screw 360, i hate microsoft.

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# But ummGuest 2006-05-14 13:19
What happened to a third console?



Wii will be my third console :P



But i can guarantee that my favourite will be the PS3.. can't beat their franchises :P Or the look :P

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# Wii is doomed to join Gamecube...Guest 2006-05-14 13:22
I think lot will agree the WII controller is absolutly amazing breath of fresh air to game. Now only if Nintendo got half decent GFX to match or just come close to XBOX360 or PS3 than it would have without a doubt won the war. I think Wii's gfx are just not up to scratch for current generation & the controller alone is not enough to save it. It will becone a Novelty FAD item. I think it is doomed to be another Gamecube in the long run.





Archy

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# You have every right to ramble mister editor guy dude!!Guest 2006-05-14 13:27
This is the xbox 360 blog, if it aint biased then i dont know why im coming back every day! =D

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# ?Guest 2006-05-14 13:40
#6, I don't really think the goal of the Wii was to have the best graphics. Wii is kind of in a category of its own.

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# mm..Guest 2006-05-14 13:44
if wii had better tech then it wouldnt cost 200$, and being a too innovative design, people wouldnt pay much for it so they followed the right path. Either Ps3 or Xbox will outsell wii...but still it will do good.

Regarding the post, this demonstrates how phil harrison is more mature than Peter moore and im starting to dislike microsoft because of this...

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# ? @ 7Guest 2006-05-14 13:44
It's the 360 blog, the PS3 blog, and the Wii blog.

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# The pswii is theGuest 2006-05-14 13:45
worst console i have ever seen. They are overcharging for a stolen console that has terrible looking games, the 3 they showed that werent CG that is. People will buy a 360 and a wii, and sony will have massive losses.

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# @ 10Guest 2006-05-14 13:55
no this (http://xbox360.qj.net) specifically is for the 360 hence the 360 only blog u tard

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# same fruit?Guest 2006-05-14 14:01
not at all, he's right, the non-gamers who will buy nintendo wii, and fanatics like me who will buy the PS3 is not of the same kind at all, lol.



I'd say it's like a PC, a PC is worth 3k$ and fans of pc games buy it, for the value, same goes for ps3, and the wii is appart because it play games from another angle... I want a wii, but I don't want TOO simples games, it's boring :(

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# Err...Guest 2006-05-14 14:04
@ 12, this post is on ALL the pages.... Wii, PS3...and 360 u retard......



and i already have a 360 ad will probobly be getting all 3 but my next will have to be the Wii

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# same fruit?Guest 2006-05-14 14:17
How can you say these are the same fruit? The PS3 offers something that you would have to pay nearly $1000 for. Blu-Ray HD.

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# Douche Bag Says What?Guest 2006-05-14 14:19
Who is he to think he is some sort of analyst? You are a *****ing retard, Rushan.



We'll think what we want to think, as a society. For this to be posted on a quote unquote news-site, is a *****slap to your viewers.

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# ps3 troublesGuest 2006-05-14 14:20
I like the ps3, probly wont buy one, but I notice a disturbing lack of content on the ps3 qj blog. It seems like at this point in 360's life there was TONS of news, previews, and all sorts of other articles about it. PS3 site just doenst seem to have many updates, or previews or anything. Most of the articles on qj.ps3 are on 360 updates too. Just seems a little to quiet over at ps3.qj. PS3 wont fail, but I dont think its gonna be a huge runaway like ps2 was in terms of console sales. 600 is just a little too high for the console market. Ps2 appealed to the casual gamer, and some hardcore, but ps3 at 600 is priced only for the hardest of the hardcore gamers.



Im hardcore gamer, but dont really have the funds for ps3... simple as that.

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# just shut upGuest 2006-05-14 14:23
you fanboys really need to shut up. PS3 and Wii fans have no right to say the PS3 and Wii are better because you havent even played one yet. And those who like the 360, my brother has one and its not so great. So please do us all a favor and shut up.

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# underinformedGuest 2006-05-14 14:28
how can you say the ps3 is the best when it hasnt even had a chance to prove itself? what makes it the best?



graphics? a visually stunning movie or game does not make it superior in anything else except for visuals. what makes good games and movies is competition, without all 3 competing with one another we'd only get crap.



also... what makes you say harrison is more mature? to me it looks like he just said what moore said except he said ps3 instead of 360... im confused

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# lawlerGuest 2006-05-14 14:28
ps3 will have all the japanese games the x360 won't have and ps3 will get the multi console games from Northa America. Since the main reason to buy a game console is the games, the ps3 wins hands down.

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# heyGuest 2006-05-14 14:33
no crap there is more content on the 360 site, the 360 has been out for more than 6 months, jeez

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# Its not the same fruit, but it isGuest 2006-05-14 14:38
It is NOT the same fruit. The PS3 is a movie player like the PSP. It could be the best movie player ever IF Blueray goes over. And it will be the least expensive Blueray player.



It IS the same fruit. The PS3 is a console just like the Wii and the 360. If you just want a console to play games, then the PS3 is a joke. It's $600 price tag is not a value, its a rip off.



I will buy a Wii, then I'll buy the next system that goes down to the $200 price range; if there is a reason to. That system will probably be a 360 and may never be a PS3.



Sony is dreaming... $600 lol

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# Wii is my FIRST choiceGuest 2006-05-14 14:38
All I know is that I am buying a Wii as my FIRST and ONLY choice. I like how Sony and Microsoft are so full of themselves that they both give credit to Nintendo in such an egotistical way. Both of them say they think that people will buy their systems and then buy a Wii second. That's like saying: "Yeah, the Nintendo Wii is a good console that people will buy AFTER they buy OUR awesome console." It's funny how neither of them would think that anyone would leave them out in the cold and just buy a Wii. Even some "hardcore" Sony fans can't afford a $600 price tag, and for that I sympathise with them. I'm glad the representatives of my favorite company are such shysters that they would take me for all my money when they decide to release a new console regardless of its play experience.

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# so...Guest 2006-05-14 14:42
So it looks like both Sony and M$ think Wii will do good? Good times.

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# something about graphicsdarksquirrel 2006-05-14 14:42
I don't understand this argument.



"the wii can may have a weak processor and be incabable of rendering new graphic technologies that are present in a new console shift, but thats ok because that was never the point of the wii. Nintendo said that they were'nt in a graphics race and would have the weakest console."



Alright so it's ok to have bad graphics as long as you announce the fact first?



When i get my blood drawn and the doctor warns me that it's going to hurt, it doesn't defeat the fact that i still does. This seems to me circular fanboy logic.



i.e. it's ok if the movie sucks, the director said that was the point!



(note that quote was a summation of the fanboy argument not an actual qoute from this page)

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# hm..Guest 2006-05-14 14:43
Just going to go Nintendo first, and Sony a year later, like the last two gen. I don't know what all this nonsense about a 'console war' is. Just something people feel the need to argue about.

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# Its all about the games.Guest 2006-05-14 14:44
Its not about the system its about personal preferance to games on each system. See i like the games on both systems. So thats why i got a 360 at launch and im planning on getting a PS3 at launch as well. 360 has Halo3, gears of war, lost planet, mass effect, too human, forza 2, fable 2, and many others. PS3 has MGS, FF, devil maycry, killzone, assassins creed, UT 2007, heavenly sword, Resistance, GT5, and many more. I could never be satisfied with just one console. See i will never get a Wii because i do not ebjoy the games that most dev for nintendo put out. Its just not my style.

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# ...Guest 2006-05-14 14:51
I have a Xbox360 and to tell you the truth, its not really good. Dont get me wrong, when I first got it I was pretty happy to be playing it but over time, things started to hit me. Sure they system is a gaming console but what about the multimedia functions? I dont happen to have media center so everyone else out there is screwed because they dont have it either. Yeah big deal that I can download trailers and demos to games, think about this. Sony owns how many movie studios? Think of all the movie trailers that will be on there, hell, think of all the movies that we could be able to stream on the PS3 for a buck or two. Next-gen doesnt only imply to graphics but the system overall and if you ask me the PSP is 10x more next-gen than the 360. I really want to see the 360 take off, I'm not a Halo fan at all so that doesnt get my attention at all, I want some cool games. I know about the games that are coming out but really folks, its not even close to the library of the PS2 let alone the PS3. I'm not a Sony fanboy or anything I'm just someone who likes to play games. When the PS3 comes out I will be getting one, I'm sure my 360 will be pushed to the side for awhile but I will come back to it and hopefully have something worth coming back to.

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# ps3 games are pretty coolGuest 2006-05-14 14:54
"PS3 has MGS, FF, devil maycry, killzone, assassins creed, UT 2007, heavenly sword, Resistance, GT5,"



the problem with that is

ff, assissins creed, and ut 2007 is comming out on 360... nobod bought killzone, MGS is pretty good but japenese, heavenly sword looks to be a little cartoony and not the most impresive physics, resistance should be good but the graphics arent "crap your pants" fantasic. GT5 looks pretty sweet, but dont you remember a grand tourismo 4 for psp at e3 2003 or 2004??? they even had a special edition psp with GT4 all over it, but gt4 never came out. devil may cry should be about the only really great game.



ALOT of games will come out both on 360 and on ps3.

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# read this postAces High 2006-05-14 15:05
Meh, I already decided that I was getting a Wii on launch day. I'm guessing the PS3 and Wii will launch close to each other (Sort of like XBOX and GameCube), so when I see a $200 system next to a $600 system it's a no brainer as to which I should purchase. Seriously... who's going to want the 'cheap' version of the PS3. I didn't see people rushing to get the 'Core' version of the 360. However, at least the Core version was actually UPGRADABLE. The 'Core' version of the PS3 isn't. Bad move Sony... very bad move.



Anyways, I'm getting a Wii for sure. Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and SSBB are all going to be launch titles. That's the best launch line-up EVER.



PS3 has.... hmm... nothing. MGS4, HS, and a couple other heavy hitters aren't coming out until 2007. I'm just going to wait for the PS3 price drop. It should happen holiday season of '07.



Sorry, but $600 is just too much for a gaming console... Oh wait... it's not a gaming console... it's doing crap I don't want it to do. Gaming is just an option of the PS3, it wants to do everything. Granted, the 360 does everything else as well but when I bought a 360 I just knew gaming was it's main feature. It's bells-and-whistles were just nice features. I don't sense that with the PS3 because Sony is just trying to shove Blu-Ray down people's throats. Why couldn't Sony just release a gaming only version of the PS3? Instead, they release two VERY different version's of the PS3 which neither version is really focusing on being a GAMING machine.





Sorry Sony, but you ain't getting $600 out of me. I've kind of gotten use to eating and sleeping under a roof.



Come this Holiday season, I'll be tripping out on my new 360 games and having a blast with my Wii.

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# To # 29Guest 2006-05-14 15:08
I wasnt talking about FFXI that ***** ass game. I was talking about true FF series games like FFXIII and FFXIII versus. Also UT 2007 and assassins creed have not been confirmed by any of the developers to be going to 360. You know you have to open your eyes when wayching a movie. Heavenly sword had some great physics everything getting trashed around and broken and shooting everywhere if you slashed it. Resistance is on par with any 360 game so far so you cant say anything about. Also all you MS fanboys talk about is GFX. The funny thing is all the pre-first gen titles are on PS3 are on par with 360s second gen titles. And they arent even on a final dev kit and are less than 50% complete.

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# This articial is so biasGuest 2006-05-14 15:12
"the problem with that is

ff, assissins creed, and ut 2007 is comming out on 360... nobod bought killzone, MGS is pretty good but japenese, heavenly sword looks to be a little cartoony and not the most impresive physics, resistance should be good but the graphics arent "crap your pants" fantasic."



You couldnt be more wrong, none of those games are comming to 360, FF is not comming (other than FF11), Assissins Creed is a PS3 EXCLUSIVE, UT 2007 is PC and PS3 only. MGS4 right now I will tell you will be a system seller, Heavenly Sword looks amazing same with resistance, you really dont understand anything at all. People will buy PS3 because there are alot of loyal sony fans, PS3 is very much worth its value, for all the features your getting (true next gen game player, blu-ray player, location free player, media center, etc). If they create a killer line up, which btw is looking very good, can get more people to get it.

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# To #30Guest 2006-05-14 15:13
Its called get a job you poor piece of *****. Have you ever heard of one of those? Also you complain about the price but what do we have hear.



Xbox360

1. core system - $300

2. 20g HDD - $100

3. Wireless internet - $100

4. Wireless controller -$50

5. HD-DVD -$100 to $200 (just plays movies)

6. ONline gaming - $50 a year

= $700 - $800



PS3

1. $599

2. COmes with 60g HDD (40g more than 360)

3. comes with wifi (blue tooth)

4. comes with wireless controller

5. Comes with blu - ray player (plays games and movies)

6. Online gaming - free

*what it has over 360*

7. HDMI for true HD gaming

8. 1080p games (not all but most)

9. Can play PS1 and PS2 games

10. Has flash card drivesand others



= Still only $599



I wonder which seems like the better deal.

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# to 30Guest 2006-05-14 15:20
Just to let you know dude, the X360 never even had a hard drive, and is basically a ***** pack. The ps3 ***** pack comes with a hard drive. A 20 gb hard drive that xbox wants u to pay 100 for. I payed 100 for a 200 gb hard drive. so yeah... Anyways,the ps3 *****pack pretty much compares with the premium edition for x360, and the premium for ps3, just blows its own crap pack out of the water (spec wise). I cant say crap about how the systems are as I hav never played ps3, but it looks prety damn sweet. Although im not impressed at all at 360, im not being a fanboy, but im saying that x360 doesnt look, next gen...

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# exactlyGuest 2006-05-14 15:20
^^^^

this guy makes a big point, which alot of people dont get, there is also more



11. Location free player - (which on its own is $400)

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# derrrGuest 2006-05-14 15:23
that's only if you buy the core system like a re-re. Plus a lot of what you're listing off, like the Free online gaming Sony announced is just Sony spouting BS.

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# either way helps nintendoGuest 2006-05-14 15:32
looks like both companys are giving nintendo 2nd place

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# you are right...andGuest 2006-05-14 15:37
" And they arent even on a final dev kit and are less than 50% complete."



there aren't on final dev kits...maybe alpha!...they are also even rumored to being ran on PCs! can you imagine that.

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# sorry...Guest 2006-05-14 15:41
" Location free player - (which on its own is $400)"



this hasn't been confirmed.



which leads me to another rant.





Could sony please *****ing focus on gaming?



Seems like only nitendo and Microsoft are aware they are making Gaming Machines...not "the box with as many half-assed features as we can squeeze in there"

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# re:39Guest 2006-05-14 16:20
Good Point



When I got my PSP I wanted a portable game machine.



Although Movies and Music are nice SOny shouldn't try using that as a selling point which is what they are doing.



MS has all these extras but doesn't expect to sell it as a DVD player. MS sells it as a Game machine. Sony always says "More than a gaming machine."



We wan't games sony not much more.

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# ...Guest 2006-05-14 16:21
Only 14 year old *****gots like Rawr above me think that all systems are great. The fact of the matter is that they are not all great, and there has to be system that stands out above the rest. And when that system is shown to be the best, it will truly dominate the rest. Its called survival of the fittest.



Second, not all systems need to be out before you judge them. I can tell right now that the PS3 is a much better machine in every aspect than the rest. That doesnt mean that its gonna sell more. It just means that it truly is the best bang for your buck.



Also, considering what will be in the package, I think the 600 price tag is pretty damn good. Its called a job, get one. And if you have a job and just dont want to spend money on games, then dont ***** about it to me.

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# Liar, Liar Pants of FireGuest 2006-05-14 16:24
To #33



Xbox360

1. core system - $300

2. 20g HDD - Not needed to play games

3. Wireless internet - Not needed to play games

4. Wireless controller - Not needed to play games

5. HD-DVD - Not needed to play games

6. ONline gaming - $50 a year but not needed to play games

7. Can play games in HDTV

8. Can play Xbox games and has down-loadable oldschool games.

9. Controller has rumble. (Sony forgot to put in that technology, they even said that they invented it, lol)

= $300



PS3

1. $600 (both systems must be listed with the same criteria 599=600)

2. COmes with 60g HDD (40g more than 360)

3. comes with wifi (blue tooth)

4. comes with wireless controller

5. Comes with blu - ray player (plays games and movies)

6. Online gaming - did Sony really say this was free?

7. HDMI for true HD gaming

8. 1080p games (not all but most)

I have seen 1080p and HDMI and I can't see any difference between that and 1080i, sorry.

9. Can play PS1 and PS2 games

10. Has flash card drivesand others (whatever that point means)



= Still only $600



I wonder which seems like the better deal? lol



I don't even like Microsoft or the 360. I'm a Wii fanboy. I loved the PS2, it could be the best system ever. I just wanted things to be correct. =)

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# I think...Guest 2006-05-14 16:24
I think Phil Harrison had a point when he said that the PS3 and XBOX 360 were in different leagues. Firstly the Xbox 360 is mostly a gaming machine, if you want to use its media capabilities to teh max you need to buy an adapter and to best use it or to make it look good they had to incorporate Windows Media Center!



As for the PS3 it will come with a blu-ray reader automatically, and it will have an easy to use interface. Along with that you get a safer O.S. which work smore like an app: Linux!



So you should think about it a bit more editor guy!

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# idiotGuest 2006-05-14 16:25
nocomment

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# idiotGuest 2006-05-14 16:31
@ #33 - wow that was quite a strech to make the 360 sound expensive. you obviously are a gamer so im sure youre well aware the 360 premium pack contains the wireless controller and HD. i guess you thought it would sound more expensive if you listed the core with every option for it. That would be like me talking about the core PS3 and how it doesnt have half the options you listed the PS3 as having, and trying to say that it is therefore crap. knock off the price of the controller, HD, and wireless internet (which ill admit would be nice to have, but ill just plug the damn thing into the wall for free) and its 50 dollars less than your oh-so-inexpensive PS3.

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# Liar, Liar Pants of FireGuest 2006-05-14 16:31
To #33



Xbox360

1. core system - $300

2. 20g HDD - Not needed to play games

3. Wireless internet - Not needed to play games

4. Wireless controller - Not needed to play games

5. HD-DVD - Not needed to play games

6. ONline gaming - $50 a year but not needed to play games

7. Can play games in HDTV

8. Can play Xbox games and has down-loadable oldschool games.

9. Controller has rumble. (Sony forgot to put in that technology, they even said that they invented it, lol)

= $300



PS3

1. $600 (both systems must be listed with the same criteria 599=600)

2. COmes with 60g HDD (40g more than 360)

3. comes with wifi (blue tooth)

4. comes with wireless controller

5. Comes with blu - ray player (plays games and movies)

6. Online gaming - did Sony really say this was free?

7. HDMI for true HD gaming

8. 1080p games (not all but most)

I have seen 1080p and HDMI and I can't see any difference between that and 1080i, sorry.

9. Can play PS1 and PS2 games

10. Has flash card drivesand others (whatever that point means)



= Still only $600



I wonder which seems like the better deal? lol



I don't even like Microsoft or the 360. I'm a Wii fanboy. I loved the PS2, it could be the best system ever. I just wanted things to be correct. =)

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# idiotGuest 2006-05-14 16:33
okay so the number just changed to 44



im talking to you, 44



...or maybe 33? just look for the desperate sony boy

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# Author of this post knows nothing...Guest 2006-05-14 16:35
The author of this post, Rushan, is totally incorrect in saying that Moore was correct in comparing the consoles as if it were the same exact "fruit". It doesnt take a major in economics to understand what the underlying meaning of Phil Harrison's quote is. Value systems work differently for a lot of products and markets, including the videogame consoles and videogame market as a whole.



Each of these three "next-gen" consoles brings several different features and abilities to the market. Each are uniquely different and a totally individual product (and thus a completely different fruit). And thus making them impossible to truly compare as a system.



In past gaming platforms and consoles, the battle was for better graphics during gameplay. Although that battle continues, it is not the only factor in the success of a gaming console (see the gamecube for example).



Anyways, what should be considered now, and what should really be compared is not the consoles themselves, because as I said each brings several different things to the table, but rather the complimentary style goods and products that come with it.



These complimentary products are the games. With different style and content coming to each type of game for each system, it is their functionality and their ability to be incorporated into the functionality of the console itself that will determine which console wins in the end.



One example of this is the promise of downloadable content for future games such as the GTA games on the Xbox. While it seems at the moment the PS3 may have limited downloadable content for it, the Xbox might have a chance to win out through the ability to offer more customization and more content in the game through their (complimentary) internet service then the PS3. but then again, you never know as the PS3 may be able to reach up to (and maybe even surpass) the Xbox Live in different ways with online ability.



Another is the Wii or PS3's ability to incorporate the motion sensing into enough games as to keep the action exciting and entertaining without it becoming a hassle or annoyance.



With both the PS3 and the Wii having the ability for motion sensing, and both the PS3 and Xbox 360 having really next-gen graphics and (hopefully) downloadable content - and so forth. It is again obvious that it is impossible to compare these next-gen consoles against each other. This in turn leads us again to the complementary services and products provided that will be the things that make the decision on who wins.



So honestly everyone needs to stop comparing the consoles in the fashion that they are now (which seems to be more on the pricing and the overall "next-gen" factor of it), it is up to other things such as the game developers and their ability and want to be able to make games that truely use these consoles to the fullest capability and to make them what they are. While software and hardware have a bit to do with it, in a gaming world like today, it makes it impossible to truly compare these consoles.



It really is like comparing different fruits. Maybe not food groups but def. different fruits.



You wouldn't skip over eating an apple just because a Strawberry is a brighter red then it, would you?



Same as with not wanting a Ferrarri because it costs more then another car. Its a matter of value. and value has to do with utility and personal enjoyment.

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# DAMMITGuest 2006-05-14 16:35
sorry 44 just realized what you said, thought it was same guy

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# sony is playing youGuest 2006-05-14 16:40
okay... lots to go through here. first off, UT2007 is on 360, look it up.

second, assasins creed hasnt been announced for 360, but its by ubisoft, do you really think they will spend that much on making a game and not go multiplatform? this one will be on 360, although maybe a little after ps3, similar to what happened with splinter cell on xbox/ps2.



#33, you are comparing the core 360 to the premium ps3, nice bias. 1080p is hardly supported by any ps3 title, not "most". HDMI is ONLY on the premium ps3, and they are coming out with a HDMI add-on for 360 for only 40 bucks, core or premium. got a media center pc and a 360, there is PVR right there. if you dont, its 200 for XP MCE and 50 for a tv tuner. 250 vs 400 location free player? yum.



also, sony is playing all of you on this online bs they are saying. did you not listen carefuly to they E3 conference? they said Friends lists, gamer profile, downloadable content, text audio and video messaging, and voice chat. All of those features are available for free on 360 as well with a silver account. did you notice whenever they talked about sony online and free they NEVER mentioned online multiplayer? i predict they will announce the real online strategy in a few months, and there will be a silver/gold ripoff too.



it sounds to me like sony is trying to play everyone by Saying that the only difference is 40gb, but not advertising the fact that the lower end also isnt HDMI, isnt wifi, isnt a card reader, MAY not come with wireless control (see engadget). And they wont let you upgrade it. 500 is a lot, but its a lot less than 600 also. if you dont have HDMI on your tv, which may be a lot of people, or if you dont need wifi or if you think 20gb will suffice (which, lets face it, will be the majority of people looking into this) then the core ps3 is for you. that is until 3 years pass and you now are out of room on your 20gb, youre home is completley wireless, you have a nice 1080p HDMI tv, and now you have to spend another 400 dollars (probable price point of prem. ps3 in 3 years) on an entirely new ps3 instead of just upgrading your old one as you get these new features in your home? thanks sony.



sony may win the next gen war, but by the gods they will be playing a dirty fight, keeping uneducated consumers in the dark, and hoping the sheep will follow them mindlessly.



good luck

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# may i just say...Guest 2006-05-14 16:40
sony also thought the UMD movie format would take off, and look how poorly it has performed. prior to the release of the xbox 360, i was taking into great consideration buying a PS3. now, after the recent price announcement, and the fact that the cheaper version has so many features removed that can not be added on later, im glad i made the right decision in buying an xbox 360.



i am also considering buying a wii since the controller format has so many possibilities available to it.

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# PreferenceGuest 2006-05-14 16:49
It's amazing what goes on in today's modern video game industry. Just think about it, it seems like everyone is always talking ***** on each other. Gaming use to be about having fun regardless of what you played on. Now it seems like it's all about what system has the best graphics and features, when really what should matter is that the system has games that people love to play on it. Yes graphics are important because they can make the gaming expirience more realistic and wow your eyes but graphics is only one part of games. As always I think this generation will do as others have and consumers will buy the system or systems for the games the system has to offer. Why buy a system that is has everything you can imagine except the games you love to play. I don't like trash talking any one company however I do think Sony has gone too far with all the extra features. Who really needs to browse the internet on their video game system, that's what computers are for. I myself already have an Xbox 360 and I love it. Yes there are not that many awesome titles out for it yet but they are coming. Just wait until this fall/xmas 06. And as for Nintendo I have always been a fan of them and I will be getting a Wii. PS3 seems cool and Sony does have it's mind set on the future but honestly I believe they turned the extra features of the PS3 into what we would expect the PS4 to have many years from now. $600 is a lot of money for one console!

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# Most People want the full experance.Guest 2006-05-14 17:16
Xbox360

1. core system - $300

2. 20g HDD - $100

3. Wireless internet - $100

4. Wireless controller -$50

5. HD-DVD -$100 to $200 (just plays movies)

6. ONline gaming - $50 a year

= $700 - $800



PS3

1. $599

2. COmes with 60g HDD (40g more than 360)

3. comes with wifi (blue tooth)

4. comes with wireless controller

5. Comes with blu - ray player (plays games and movies)

6. Online gaming - free

*what it has over 360*

7. HDMI for true HD gaming

8. 1080p games (not all but most)

9. Can play PS1 and PS2 games

10. Has flash card drivesand others



= Still only $599

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# So rightGuest 2006-05-14 17:53
Thank you for pointing that out.

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# Im with them!Guest 2006-05-14 18:10
Xbox360

1. core system - $300

2. 20g HDD - $100

3. Wireless internet - $100

4. Wireless controller -$50

5. HD-DVD -$100 to $200 (just plays movies)

6. ONline gaming - $50 a year

= $700 - $800



PS3

1. $599

2. COmes with 60g HDD (40g more than 360)

3. comes with wifi (blue tooth)

4. comes with wireless controller

5. Comes with blu - ray player (plays games and movies)

6. Online gaming - free

*what it has over 360*

7. HDMI for true HD gaming

8. 1080p games (not all but most)

9. Can play PS1 and PS2 games

10. Has flash card drivesand others



= Still only $599



Thats what i tought of the PS3 ITS ALL VALUE!

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# Please get it correctGuest 2006-05-14 18:44
Xbox360

1. prem system - $400

2. 20g HDD - included

3. Wireless internet - not reqd by most

4. Wireless controller - included

5. HD-DVD -$100 to $200 (just plays movies) Not reqd by most

6. Online gaming - $50 a year

= $450

+ HD Movie player = $550 - $650



PS3

1. $500

2. COmes with 20g HDD (suitable for most)

3. Comes with wireless controller

5. Comes with blu - ray player (plays games and movies)

6. Online gaming - $50 (estimated)

7. HDMI for true HD gaming (not in core and not reqd by most)

8. 1080p games (not all but most, if any, not including upscaled games)

9. Can play PS1 and PS2 games

10. Has flash card drivesand others (?)



= $550

+ HD Movie player = $650



Here is a fairer comparison. This is the typical setup required by the majority of consumers. Note that HDMI is required by to output any resolution higher than 480p [DVD quality], therefore the premium PS3 is required in order for BluRay to be an advantage over DVD. Online gaming on PS3 is also likely to attract a membership cost too.



So for a gaming setup, the difference is only $100. A gaming + HD movie player will come to be roughly the same cost. I have no doubt that those loyal to the Playstation brand will be happy to part with the extra $100 for a gaming system. Looks like this is going to be a tight tussle between PS3 vs 360 vs Wii.

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# different fruits, different aimsGuest 2006-05-14 18:47
before people rip on 59 like before he is comparing what you need to get for the same features... even with the premium system its still about 50-100 dollars more if you want to keep them on equal standings with features. Do you need them? no their there for those, LIKE US, who have asked for them, those who thought it be cool to have. Web browser on tv? big hit with web tv, people wanted it. Play Dvd's? WHen the ps2 came out they were expensive and it was a good deal at the time like the bdplayer feature is now. What that ps3 has, that you say they copied, yes it does seem like it, BUT its what you wanted, what you asked for gammers and no.I can go on but i will lose my point if i do so here it is.



you people who are spouting off that one system is better than the other, that one sucks and the others dont... listen and listen well.



Starting off Nintendo sticks with game, its what they do... they have learned from their greedy past (starting with the nes) and bad business habits. They are trying to stay true to the gamers now not themselves. Why? Its because their going under from their greed. They screwed sony back in the day, they screw many many MANY 3rd party developers, hell the NES many developers had to hack the thing to make games. Snes not so bad. N64? They stuck with cartridges to keep control, they lost 3rd party developers by the handfull, gamecube flopped because of that, not to mention the controller, it gave to many limitations for development. They have learned, slowly but they have learned. Wii is friendly to the gamers and to developers, the controller is innovative and offers very little limitation. They now go for the nongammers, the casual.



Sony came in the gamming world after getting screwed by nintendos shady business deals and breaches in contracts. They have pushed new mediums since the ps1, sega saw the potential of sony and rushed things with the saturn (leading to thier fall), and sony has followed suite since then pushing new mediums with the ps2, psp, and now ps3. whether they take off is up to the consumer and the mediums versitilty. The PS3 may be expensive but unlike the ps2 and ps1 blu-ray is bran bran new, developed from scratch, as well as the cell processor. They push hardware, to allow developers to do more with the systems. dvd-9's will be good for now but theyll be filling up quick. Especially when a.i. starts to be paid attention fully not to mention larger and larger worlds more content. Its multiple media features are their because not everyone wants to have cluster of coards behind their tv, nor have the money/space to buy everything seperatly. It may be simplified but its their for basic purposes.



Microsoft came in after they worked with sega on the dreamcast, they got their hands wet and wanted more. They made Xbox, american based and raised. It comes off in the games as well. You find many PC esc games, fps, mechs, and a few rpgs. The system was a rippoff of the dreamcast in alot of ways. The contollers were very similar, (i feel the dreamcast one felt better) but uncomfortable on the xbox. Its kindof a half step up from the dreamcast, as the 360 is another halfstep up from the xbox. The 360 doesnt feel next gen, they expanded apon the live features and community. The games look mid range pc graphics level, their quality, about the same as xbox just shinnier. the controller a huge improvement from the xbox. Its for american style gamers.



to simplify down to it: Wii for nogamer, redemption from their past mistakes. looks like fun



ps3, multimedia usage, pushing new hardware, for those who see value, want large libraries and variety, its value is equal to its price



xbox 360.... call me a hater or what ever you want but its just not my gravy, at first the games looked great and played well but after a few times, i found them lackluster, overly shinny, and kindof boring. Halo is fun to play with a friend stoned with surroundsound, and fable's time concept with consiquences was great but over all xbox and xbox360 seem lacking.

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# dude hold upGuest 2006-05-14 18:47
Its called get a job you poor piece of *****. Have you ever heard of one of those? Also you complain about the price but what do we have hear.



Xbox360

1. core system - $300

2. 20g HDD - $100

3. Wireless internet - $100

4. Wireless controller -$50

5. HD-DVD -$100 to $200 (just plays movies)

6. ONline gaming - $50 a year

= $700 - $800



PS3

1. $599

2. COmes with 60g HDD (40g more than 360)

3. comes with wifi (blue tooth)

4. comes with wireless controller

5. Comes with blu - ray player (plays games and movies)

6. Online gaming - free

*what it has over 360*

7. HDMI for true HD gaming

8. 1080p games (not all but most)

9. Can play PS1 and PS2 games

10. Has flash card drivesand others



= Still only $599



I wonder which seems like the better deal.

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ok man, wtf, ability to play backwards compatible is not something you should be putting because microsoft said by the end of the year, all games shuld be backwards comaptible. you know what comes out at the end of the year? ps3.

also, 360 comes with a wireless controller with premium which is 400 dollars. why the hell did u put up the core version anyways. premium has HD cables and wireless controller and HDD in it for the same price. also, they give you the option for HD-DVD and wireless so you dont have to spend it all at once. my setup for 360 is going to be 500 with HD-DVD.



still they both cost alot but seriously man, dont just add ***** to the ps3 to make it look good if your not going to add 360s advantages



oh and by the way, IF YOU WANT A CHEAP CONSOLE, GET A WII. its affordable, has good games, a really good controller design, its online is also free, and hell, u can swordfight in it. the 360 and ps3 are just alot of money because both are powerfull as *****. when i get a wii, im sure ill be happy. then ill get a ps3 after a few months prior to its release.

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# Please get it correct, meGuest 2006-05-14 18:49
Slight correction to my previous post. I meant to write:



Note that HDMI is required by HDCP (High Definition Content Protection) regulations as part of AACS digital encoding to output any resolution higher than 480p [DVD quality]

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# a note on high defGuest 2006-05-14 18:54
HDMI is not needed to output 1080i or 720p, that quality signal can come over component cables, but due to fear of pirating HD movies, all hd dvd's and blu ray's must output in hdcp hdmi. If they dont detect HDCP, the player will only output in 480p due to fear of making a pirated copy that is pixel perfect with the original master of the film.



This is pretty stupid,,, all this techincal crap is going to never get through the heads of the common consumer. Try explaining why 480i and 480p are different to non technical person... they usually say the same thing "huh"

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# ***** SONY ***** SONYGuest 2006-05-14 19:06
FLAME WARS!



FLAME FLAME FLAME



***** SONY X360 is soooooo much better *****ing sony is for *****s.... name one good game on there! it doesnt and cannot have Oblivion, PDZ, PGR3 , Fable 2

SO ***** SONY!

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# **** MS ****MSGuest 2006-05-14 19:37
FLAME WARS!



FLAME FLAME FLAME



***** MS PS3 is soooooo much better *****ing MS is for *****s.... name one good game on there! it doesnt and cannot have MGS4, KZ2, GT4 , FFXIII

SO ***** MS!

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# LMAOGuest 2006-05-14 19:39
All you guys are idiots just buy then console you want and shut up. You guys come here an argue about stuff that isn't even out in the market yet. I get tired of hearing which one is better, nobody wants to that $h!t. All the consoles are amazing in their own way so just shut the F**k up. Damn N00BZ !!!!!!!

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# fruit, cake and fruitcakesGuest 2006-05-14 19:49
The full 360 experience does not require a HD-DVD player. IT JUST PLAYS MOVIES. For all you guys that have a lot of money, then buy both movie players. As for me, I'm waiting till they go down in price and I can get the player that actually win the war. I don't want to be stuck with a HD-DVD or Blueray that goes beta-max.



fruit = gaming system

cake = HD movie player

fruitcake = gaming system including movie player



360 = Fruit = Its a gaming system, its $300 and $400 if you want the extras. If you want to make it a fruitcake then you'll have to pay extra for the HD-DVD player



PS3 = Fruitcake = Its a gaming, HD-movie playing system. Its $500 for cr*p and $600 for the real one. If all you want is fruit then this is not for you. If you really like fruitcake then go for it.



I'm not paying $600 for fruit. Some of you are saying that everyone wants the complete fruitcake package. But you don't understand..... MOST OF US DON'T WANT FRUITCAKE.

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# to #71 - Rick JamesGuest 2006-05-14 19:52
Your the NOOB that hasn't realized that there is a console war going on. This war does not end and everyone loves it. This is what posting on blogs is about.

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# Open your eyes...Guest 2006-05-14 20:01
First of all, Phil Harrison is correct. Most people will justify price with value. For the Playstation 3, you will get the games, you will get the Blu-Ray player, the HDD and the wireless controller, and the FREE online multiplayer.



That the exact reason they have two SKU's. For people who really don't care about the other multimedia functions like memory card support and such don't need to pay an extra $100 for something they won't use. For people who don't have wireless internet, or a wireless router, they don't need the Wi-Fi, so there is no need to pay for the extra $100. There will of course be Third Party Wi-Fi accesories and such for those that want an upgrade of sorts. It just gives choice to the consumer and that is what Sony wants.



The author of this 'article' is a joke, and extremely unprofessional, and not aware. For some, the PS3 will be the first system, and only system. The Playstation 3 has the best of both worlds, while keeping it's own little niche in the market. It has the new possibilty for gameplay, and the amazing graphics. It has the online service that everyone wanted and cried about. So for those people who insist on bashing Sony for the PS3's price, shut up and open your eyes a little, and get your head out of the gudder and realize what 'VALUE' is!



As for the comparison - It seems to me that the comparison of the core 360, to 60GB PS3 was meant to show value. If you buy the cheapest 360 and want the same experience that the PS3 would offer, you would have to pay that extra $300-ish. As for the premium 360, to 60GB PS3, you are still getting more value for the buck from PS3.



THIS IS NOT A FANBOY COMMENT. It's a logical, thinking post that acknowledges the value, and differences in market.

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# Open your eyes #74Guest 2006-05-14 20:15
If everyone is bashing the price then people aren't justifying the price. If people just want to play games they aren't going to pay $600. Be honest, your a hardcore gamer, you would pay anything for a PS3. You probably have exclusive games that you're looking forward to on the PS3. At $600 not everyone is going to be that loyal. Look around the net. People are abandoning the PS3 all over the place. A lot of people don't even care about a hard drive or that their console can even play DVD movies. If the PS3 came out at $300 without a Blueray drive and I could still play all the games(I know this isn't possible) I would by one and I would be a Sony fanboy again. But at $600 for a video game console I'm saying, "good-bye Sony"



Also think about the New Gamers the Wii is going for. At $600 they aren't going to be getting any new customers. Just hardcore Sony fans that have a lot of cash. Or do you think I should take a few more jobs so that I can buy a PS3 and have no time to play it?

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# to the 700-800 comparisonGuest 2006-05-14 20:29
just to let everyone here have something to think about.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8qhMg3NvJ0



sony never said online gaming would be free, they give the same services as xbox silver in their presentation as free, listen between the lines. the service still has the possibility, but i highly doubt it will be free. this just evens out those arguments of price, with the online gaming being set at 0$

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# yeahGuest 2006-05-14 20:50
wow you people are just wow...



the so called war, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU... what the hell do you benifit from if ps3 sells more than xbox? NOTHING, why... because xbox will still produce games. im tired of seeing this bull ship about oh its a war and blah blah blah. get over it. i dont know why i read this *****

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# -Guest 2006-05-14 20:57
that is incorrect.



its funny how the youtube video is not the full presentation.



anyway, the basic standard features that are "FOR FREE" are game lobbies, player matching, voice chat and a variety of commercial features that was said in that video.

The so called gold subscription will be fee based i heard and will offer downloadable content as well as games. the e-distro service will also be fee based, price depending on the game you are buying.



This came directly from Phil Harrisons's mouth during the GDC Q&A.



so no, this does not even out the argument of price and i still find it funny how people are arguing something that has already been confirmed by sony themselves.



source:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/news.php?aid=15356

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/23/region-free-ps3-free-online-multiplayer-confirmed/

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# Phil Harrison is an *****.Guest 2006-05-14 21:15
Phil is being an ***** like of sony. They seem to forget that their system isn't the best, they think it is. It is upto the consumer to decide, now personally I'm buying the Xbox 360 as it has al the best games, best features, and best online services, there is no questions, so dont flame me ppl. However unlike most I give sony a chance, I watched all of their presentation in person at E3, and I am buying a PS3 for MGS4 and GT:HD. GTA4 will be purchased on 360 because of the exclusive deal with MS/ R* for the downloadable addons and the demo. So please don't argue and get both, you won't regret. And Phil you are an *****.

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# No HDMI = No HD BlueRay Movies = BlueRay IS UselessGuest 2006-05-14 22:47
This goes for the low end PS3.

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# #80Guest 2006-05-14 23:01
"No HDMI = No HD BlueRay Movies = BlueRay IS Useless"



Your comment is so wrong, its hilarious. You don't have a clue about Blu-Ray or HDMI, so stop trying to sound like you do

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# #82Guest 2006-05-14 23:16
Please educate me to why I'm wrong.

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# lolGuest 2006-05-14 23:18
Xbox360

1. premium xbox - $400

2. 20g HDD - $100

3. Wireless internet - you could simply use a cable

4. Wireless controller - check

5. HD-DVD - who needs it? there will be 2 years left i think, till movies wont come out on dvd anymore

6. ONline gaming - $50 a year

= $500



PS3

1. $599

2. COmes with 60g HDD (40g more than 360)

3. comes with wifi (blue tooth)

4. comes with wireless controller(whic h is a bad joke)

5. Comes with blu - ray player (lol,let me just say you am dee)

6. Online gaming - sony never said that there will be online gaming

they just said that they are going to have a better service then xbox live.but why?the world may never know

*what it has over 360*

7. HDMI for true HD gaming- bull*****

most of the games will be the same resolution the 360 has, and devs TEHMSELVES told that 1080p will just be blown up

8. 1080p games (not all but most)- actually, hdmi and 1080p means the same you dumbasses, hdmi is required for 1080p. the only difference between 1080p and 1080i, is that on 1080i the pictures interlaced

reslution is still the same

so true hd gaming, thats crap. 1080i is exactly

9. Can play PS1 and PS2 games-xbox has compatibility

10. Has flash card drivesand others- who needs it?

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# To 84THE ROADIE 2006-05-14 23:39
The hard drive comes with the premium pack! lol

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# @84Guest 2006-05-14 23:53
You have it all wrong little boy.

Go research some more, maybe you'll find something intresting! But to have all the stupid f*cking sony fanboys bashing us is not right at all.

We dont create worthless posts on how the PS3 is crappier than the 360! Just do yourseld a favour and stop flaming each other.



Sony and Microsoft dont give a crap if you support them at all. They only wan that extra cash in your wallet.

And the reason i have always liked nintendo is because they dont hate on other competition! They'll just make a games console that anyone could play on with hours of fun. (That includes no stupid media device ***** ect...)

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# PS3's downward spiralGuest 2006-05-15 00:05
I dont read the posts that are longer than two lines of text. Anyways, I think PS3 has been dethroned.

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# 360 vs PS3Guest 2006-05-15 00:52
XBox have after a year reached 2 level graphics on 360. Ps3 have the same graphics on the prototype at e3. So yes! Keep on screaming that ps3 have the same graphics and it’s not worth 600. Wait 5-6 years and tell me who got the best level 4 of gaming.



What I mean with level:



First year after lanch:

Level 1: Show off. First games out and sharpness is main thing.



Year 2 after lanch:

Level 2: More details and better physics.



Year 4 after lanch

Level 3: Games that is designed to be on both consoles and have great graphics, but miss the last touch.



Year 5-6 after lanch

Level 4: A game made for one console only. Made using the best coding after years of knowledge to the hardware.



This have nothing to do with game play.





Yes I’m a Sony fanboy. Now that’s clear. But whatever we have between 360 and PS3. The next console we buy is a Wii.



So in reality I think Nintendo wont win in power or numbers sold. They win in everything else. Innovation, popularity, entertainment, simpler households buy it ++

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# hey 84 think againGuest 2006-05-15 02:18
Nintendo wanted your money more than sony and microsoft combined. 3rd party Developers had to hack the NES to make thier games. Got Treated like ***** on the SNES. Nintendo screwed over sony trying to get more money. They stuck with cartridges to keep distro contro and money. By the game cube they were alone, now wii comes out and their trying to put on a friendly face to non gamers. Why? Because they screwed over all the games and they know it. Am i going to get a wii, probably. But you know what? Nintendo never was their for you, just themselves. Maybe this gen will be different who knows. At least sony listens to their customers. At least Microsoft is trying to build some form of community. Guess what? They do give a crap, Nintendo on the other hand? No not really once till now.



I love nintendo but im not blind to them. Same with sony and microsoft.



also 87, if you dont read then how can you know whats going down or not, two lines isnt enough for sh**, all you get is 4 y/o's bash or cheer.

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# correctionGuest 2006-05-15 02:23
84 sorry but thats for 86

also nintendo talks just as much shi* as any other. right now m$ is bashing sony, Nintendo is bashing Sony. Sony is getting crap because they listened to people want and did it. So guess what, most people dont want the extra features? think again, they're there cause you asked for them.

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# -Playstation 3 blog?Guest 2006-05-15 02:56
I come here every day to every other day, to get news on the PS3, and most of the time, I see negative blogs. I just don't see how you're not on the Xbox 360 blog. I know about justification, and opinions but, you seem more of an Xbox fanboy at times. PS3 is a better value all the way around, and for all the hardware that's in the PS3, I'm glad that's it's at it's price. Nintendo needs to quit the gimmick routine, and the "wire" act. I'll be playing my PS3 while people are slapping themselves silly with the Wii-Mote.

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# pffExodium 2006-05-15 03:12
you are arguing to much.. don't bother on others.. i'm gonna buy a ps3 600 dollar version i thonk sony has better quality in store, so whatever youlike i won't stop other people buying ***** they want, i want mine and i do not want to buy a console someone else wants



goodbye

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# goodbyeGuest 2006-05-15 04:59
As owner of PSP and DS I always visit their QJ spaces. As future owner of PS3 I won't visit this QJ space any more...more opinions and rants like the want in this article than news.



I'll search for another PS3 news site with journalist able to save their pointless opinions to themselves.



cya

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# Signing off.Guest 2006-05-15 05:43
Im done. I dont even know why i tried. I finally see the light that isnt in this mess. you guys can continue to argue but ill be enjoying games on my 360 and PS3. Peace im out.

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# agree but don'tGuest 2006-05-15 06:41
I agree that so many cross platforms can make the lines between the 2 systems seem blurred. But competition wise I don't see things as being on the basis of people buying 2 of 3 consoles. Unless Nintendo goes really into the cheap I don't understand how they'll be able to price their machine in a way to ensure that there'll be alot of multiconsole buying.



The way I look at it is people don't necessarily buy a second console becaues it's cheap. Look at the GC, it's been the cheapest machine for the entire gen, yet it can't catch a break. If people weren't buying multiple consoles then why would they in the coming gen with consoles that are priced 2-3 times what they are now?



So on that basis I look at the same argument of multiplatform gaming. Multiplatforms generally have good sized and sometimes really high budgets and they tend to sell well because of it. Not having access to the next gen multiplatforms will hurt Wii's library to be sure. It'll mean that the Wii will have a smaller library by leaps and bounds. And as we all know a slow growing library tends to hurt a console.



And also if you look at the Wii's game list, so far they do have alot of multiplatforms listed. The multiplatforms are just current gen games instead.

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# E3Guest 2006-05-15 06:50
I was at E3 this year, and I got to play everything but the Wii (the wait was 4 hours long, and I was only able to be there for five hours). The PS3 had quite a few playable games, but the ones that caught my interest were Warhawk, Resistance, Untold Legends, and Heavenly Sword. All three looked and played incredibly well (especially Heavenly Sword, which is basically God of War with a hot female lead who has cooler moves). It was also the most gorgeous of the games I played. Warhawk played remarkably well, and the motion sensitivity was a very nice enhancement and more comfortable and responsive than I was expecting. Was it necessary to add motion sensitivity to the game? No, but it definately enhanced the experience, which is what I think Sony wanted to do. They aren't trying to step on Nintendo's toes and horn in on their market: They're after two totally different things. Also, the feel of the new Dual Shock was really nice. The new L2 and R2 button/trigger hybrid was very comfortable, and the controller, while people claim feels loads lighter than the PS2 DS, wasn't noticable at all to me.



I don't know how old any of you guys are, but I'm 26, and gaming isn't my entire life anymore. Sure, when I was in grade school and High School, I played games a lot, but now that I'm older, my priorities have shifted, and I only play games either A.) when I'm working (I work at Obsidian Entertainment), or B.) When I get the free time. I watch movies, listen to music, surf the internet, and do all sorts of other things, so having a system that caters to that need is perfect for my particular lifestyle. I love the PS3 because it rolls my loves all into one (PS1,PS2, PS3 games, movies, music, internet, and more). I sat down in one of Sony's booths and watched a Blu-Ray demonstration for movies, and was thoroughly impressed, even though before hand, I was kind of on the fence about it. The fact that you can get that high quality of a picture for $600, when stand alond Blu Ray players are over $1000, is a steal for me.



I played Crackdown for the 360, and it's one of the most fun games I've played in a long time. Lost Planet looks breathtaking, and while Too Human had severe framerate issues, it looked great, and I'm sure it'll be polished by the time the game is ready to launch. I was riding the fence on the 360 as well, but after E3, I'm seriously considering getting one after I get a PS3 and Wii (of course, my gf wants a 360, so maybe I'll just play hers).



All in all, I was impressed with all 3 systems (though I could only go off of what I saw and heard about the Wii, since I didn't get to play it), and I think all 3 are worth your money as they each offer different things to the consumer. The PS3 has some killer exclusives (Metal Gear Solid 4 and the two Final Fantasy XIII's just to name a few), and so does the 360. I think it's an incredible time to be a gamer, and totally worth it to save every scrap of money you can to purchase them all. This E3 was the best one I've been to so far, and I was not dissappointed.

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# ps3Guest 2006-05-15 07:16
I think the MGS series is the most overrated game series of all time. There is hardly any game play, its just like, walk down a hall, watch this aweseom cutscene. Kill a boss, watch cutscene. Walk, watch a cutscene. Watch a cutscene on your earpiece thing. Watch another cutscene. Play for 5 minutes, watch another cutscene. GAY. TERRIBLE GAME. YA the cinematography (sp?) is great, and the storys are ok, but you end up holding a controller in your hand to watch a damn movie.

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# shut up everyone!!Guest 2006-05-15 07:59
just buy all 3 ya broke biotches!!

stop being such "fanboys!"



whats the definition of a fanboy you say?? well here it is...



fanboy: a broke person that cannot afford all 3 gamesystems. therefore only buys one system and becomes a "follower" for that system and also talks bad about the other. Also, doesnt know this, but....each company (nintendo,Micro soft,Sony) doesnt give a craps ass about fans. its all about the moolah!!

ya broke biotches!!

nuff said!!

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# the poster is an idiotGuest 2006-05-15 08:53
Phil Harrison states the word VALUE. Do you not comprehend this? Value is the difference between a system that plays dvd's and a system that has a next generation disc player (blu-ray) that is already priced at 1000 dollars. Value is the quality of the games and the price of the online service. Value is what ps3 offers. Its not the same fruit, its not the same food produce, its not even in the same store.



By the way can we got some assidious non-biased bloggers please, this is a website not a *****in community center.

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# Sony can't loose !360 will be 2nd in the warGuest 2006-05-15 09:02
I am not a fanboy in anyway I already have a 360 and I hate the system. I going to sell it on ebay and use the money to get a Ps3 (60gb). It is way worth my money. The 360 is way overated because it is the first next gen to come out. It looks good but it is not better then the ps3 games.



Look at e3 the ps3 games were not even close to done and the graphics and gameplay were flat out amazing. I was at e3 and thier were some very interesting games for the 360 but the ones now are only oblivion(if your 360 could handle it mine froze constantly) also it has GraW and it was interesting. The ps3 has so many games that I am looking forward to more then the 360(which is Gears of War and Crackdown thats all) like Resistence, neavenly sword, assassin' s creed(a ps3 EXCLUSIVE,ut200 7 a ps3 and pc ONLY, Killzone 2 , ffXIII and versus XIII, and Madden which I can't wait to see on the ps3. You could do so much with the Ps3 it is unreal.



Also you people who say sony was dethroned. it's not possible Sony's both past consule's have sold over 100 million units thats 100 million fans, so Sony loosing all of those fans to a system that sold 22 million on the Xbox and did only well in the Us while sony has Asia, most of europe and australia etc. and they are going to loose, be real guys i mean you 360 fanboys can hate all you want but when the wii and ps3 come out you will know start to compare and see the better system. Another thing the ps3 if you add all the 360 add- ons and such is way less then the 360. and if the online service is free then you got me sold. Another thing is that the 360 will fare better in the consule war then last time and as analyst predict it will sell 50 million and ps3 selling 121 million by the end of the 5 year period(go to gamesindustry.biz and you will see it thier). Also developers have already said thatr the ps3 power is tremndous and that they do find it difficult to figure out the cell but when they do they see it very fun, and it is far powerful then the 360. Another thing is that people don't have to buy the $600 ps3 they could get the $499 if they can't afford a better system. Even if it miss some things it is way better then the 360. You never no they may add add-ons so it;s to early to tell so stop talking the system did not come out yet so you people don't know anything yet. Hek the price might even go down by lauch day because people complain so much, they did it for the boomerang controller , so they will listen to the consumers and thier fans.







I feel sorry for the Wii and nintendo, soon the consule war will be fought between Sony and Microsoft and nintendo will be stuck making games because some developers have already said that the wii doe'st have enough specs to create some of the great games like Enemy territory Quake wars which is for the ps3, 360, and pc.

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# console warGuest 2006-05-15 09:14
.....$orry, but $600 is ju$t too much for a gaming console... it'$ doing crap I don't want it to do. With the P$3 $ony is ju$t trying to $hove Blu-Ray down people'$ throat$. $orry $ony, but you ain't getting $600 out of me. Come thi$ Holiday $eason, I'll be tripping out on my new 360 game$ and having a bla$t with my Wii.

.....The P$3 is a con$ole just like the Wii and the 360. If you just want a con$ole to play game$, then the P$3 i$ a joke. It's $600 price tag i$ not a value, its a rip off. $eriou$ly... who'$ going to want the 'cheap' ver$ion of the P$3. I didn't $ee people ru$hing to get the 'Core' ver$ion of the 360. However, at lea$t the Core ver$ion wa$ actually UPGRADABLE. The 'Core' version of the P$3 i$n't. Bad move Sony... very bad move.



......the $o called war, HA$ NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU... what the hell do you benifit from if p$3 $ell$ more than xbox? NOTHING, why... becau$e xbox will still produce game$. $ony and Micro$oft dont give a crap if you $upport them at all or not. They only want that extra ca$h in your wallet.

....And the rea$on i have alway$ liked nintendo is becau$e they dont hate on other competition! They'll ju$t make a game$ con$ole that anyone could play on with hour$ of fun. (That include$ no $tupid media device ***** ect...)



people wake up, everything in this $o called con$ole war i$ about money $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$

no one care whether u drool on $ony'$ con$ole or micro$oft'$ con$ole...



be$ide$, all of tho$e $ony fan$, plea$e $top pretending to be $ony'$ repre$entative$ $tating whether i'll be free online $ervice or not..... be$ide$ whether it'$ free or not, Micro$oft did it fir$t for free and that'$ that.



if $ony charge$ for feature$( that micro$oft offer$ for free) $uch a$ trailer$ and downloadable content, then everyone would buy 360 becau$e it'$ a whole lot cheaper with free XBL $ilver and downloable content...



now i feel much relieved... thank you

ju$t my thought$

although im a 360 fan, "give credit to what it de$erve$ it whether u like it or not"

p$3,360,wii are great product$, ju$t wait and $ee for the winner

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# THERE I SINGNED INENFORCER 2006-05-15 09:18
SO THAT ANYONE COMPLAINTS WHY I DIDNT.. IM THE AUTHOR OF THE ABOVE COMMENT...............

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# To 101ShockD 2006-05-15 09:57
Nice S's.

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# blu ray the next winner???Guest 2006-05-15 10:00
all you guys trying to rationalize ps3's price with blue ray here is a little something for you:



sony released the blu-ray player at a far higher price than the hd-dvd players(about 2x the cost). the released a super high priced format and then released their console for half that price... there are already tens of millions of hd-dvd players preordered or already bought. blu-ray keeps getting delayed. do you really honestly think people are going to buy blu-ray??? the world is about 99% common knowledge tech folks. if you asked them to choose between a hd-dvd player and a blu-ray they will go hd-dvd. why? because its familiar, cheaper, and something they know what it does. HD(high definition)-dvd(what i use now to watch movies). they can figure that out. if you ask them what blu-ray is they will have no fricken clue what it does. just 1% of the population that knows blu-ray is better wont secure its future.

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# Its sum what cooled down.Guest 2006-05-15 10:09
The funny thing is most studios have gone to blu ray over HD-DVD. As we have seen from CES. Its more than 1% since most have made the decision to support blu ray. You should check this year CES.

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# LMFAOMdubz 2006-05-15 10:18
Ok. I would type pages upon pages about this, but I'm going to sumerize everything up into one word. Ok, are you ready..?









































































PENIS!

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# broke biotchesGuest 2006-05-15 13:27
broke, broke, broke....every fanboy is BROKE!! Im gonna go ahead and buy all the systems, sitback and watch all of you fanboys talk bad about each other while im enjoying all of the systems. hahahahahahaha! !!



BTW...hey sony fanboys!!! yeah YOU!!

pls explain why sony lied about killzone and why a no show at e3?? cmon!! yeah im pickin on u guys!! for now (wink)

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# Teh.Guest 2006-05-15 13:32
Phil harris already explained that in an interview. Killzone will be shown when it is ready. Thats his exact words. Im with you get all the consoles.

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# errrrGuest 2006-05-15 14:06
107, yes we are broke, a large portion of the world is. Good for you that you can get all 3 sytems. But most of us will start out with 1 or 2 until(or if) the prices go down.

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# errrrGuest 2006-05-15 14:17
109, Get a job!! if u got one already, get another job! if that doesnt work, sell stuff on ebay. and if that doesnt work, then get a girlfriend to sell herself!! hahahaha!!



no but seriously...im sure u can save, maybe starting now?



or try this!!



get 200 dollars, go to 4 different gamestops, gamecrazy...etc. and put 50 dollars down on the ps3. wait till release day...then sell 3 of your reserve tickets for like 300 dollars EACH!! there are some lazy rich people that would do that instead of waiting in line for one. that would leave u with 900 dollars to spend on anything! there u go kids!! and....YOUR WELCOME!!





thats how i got my 360 practically for free!! hahahahaha!!

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# teh.Guest 2006-05-15 15:13
Yeah im selling stuff on Ebay jus tin case.

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# broke?Guest 2006-05-15 15:34
broke, nobody said anybody is broke. but why would you...



spend over 1500 dollars on consoles when you can just go out and build a pc that you can upgrade? i bet you $50 that the cell will be outdated within 2 years.

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# broke?Guest 2006-05-15 16:02
112, i bet u $5000 dollars that u cant play everything on that pc that u can play on the 3 consoles...



also..why have 1 thing and root for that 1, when u can have 3 things and stick your tongue out and say...nah,nah,nah,nah ..

i have all of them!!

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# broke?Guest 2006-05-15 16:04
112, i bet u $5000 dollars that u cant play everything on that pc that u can play on the 3 consoles...



also..why have 1 thing and root for that 1, when u can have 3 things and stick your tongue out and say...nah,nah,nah,nah ..

i have all of them!!



also...i have a pc and a power mac...soo...

nah,nah,nah,nah ... i have more stuff than u!!

hahahahahahah!!

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# 114Guest 2006-05-15 20:28
you own a mac..you're rich and STILL fail at life

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# flame warGuest 2006-05-15 22:22
Come on, only 22 more posts to go!

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# lol go go 130!Macross1984 2006-05-16 00:39
just to help....



FLAME

FLAME

FLAME

FLAME

FLAME





i like my 360

Wii has potential but id like to see some more content

PS3 doesnt have enough to compel me to spend 600 dollars and thus far i havent really seen anything graphically or gameplay wise that the 360 couldnt do just as well

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# asdfGuest 2006-05-16 03:57
*****gots the wii is the best f

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# price drop this holidayGuest 2006-05-16 05:59
Xbox360

1. premium xbox - $350/300(there will be a price drop this holiday)

2. 20g HDD - check

4. Wireless controller - check

6. ONline gaming - $50 a year

= $450/400



PS3

ONline gaming - $TBA a year

=$599+(ONline gaming)

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# What #119Guest 2006-05-16 06:12
What are you saying you are dumb. they won't drop the price of the 360 they well keep it thier because the price of the ps3 is worth more then thiers. And if they dropped the price the would drop so they won't drop it. Also do you math right dumb ***

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# rtGuest 2006-05-16 09:27
PS$ SUX



Wii60 4EVA



YOU COWS ARE GETTING RIPPED!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!



***** ***** ***** *****Y JAP SLUT

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# its all 4 usGuest 2006-05-16 17:34
ok,i already own the 360,plan on buyn' the ps3 and the wii,but i'm willing to bet that nintendo will be winning this round(atleast till mid 2007)!my 360 has been catchin' dust nothing out worth gettin' till mid july(prey).and most of the killer games for ps3 and 360 are due out next year(halo 3,killzone 2)and they'll probably keep postponin' the freakin' good games like 360 has been doin' all year!!the WII ATLEAST will have me intertained along with blueray movies on my 60"hd tv. till stuff start slowly movin' in !...just enjoy the console war 4 what its made 4.......us

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# its all 4 usGuest 2006-05-16 17:37
ok,i already own the 360,plan on buyn' the ps3 and the wii,but i'm willing to bet that nintendo will be winning this round(atleast till mid 2007)!my 360 has been catchin' dust nothing out worth gettin' till mid july(prey).and most of the killer games for ps3 and 360 are due out next year(halo 3,killzone 2)and they'll probably keep postponin' the freakin' good games like 360 has been doin' all year!!the WII ATLEAST will have me intertained along with blueray movies on my 60"hd tv. till stuff start slowly movin' in !...just enjoy the console war 4 what its made 4.......us

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# TRUTH ABOUT THE PS3Guest 2006-05-16 17:37
Xbox360

1. core system - $300

2. 20g HDD - Not needed to play games(CAN UPGRADE ANYTIME)

3. Wireless internet - Not needed to play games(CAN UPGRADE ANYTIME)



4. Wireless controller - Not needed to play games(CAN UPGRADE ANYTIME)



5. HD-DVD - Not needed to play games(CAN UPGRADE ANYTIME)



6. ONline gaming - $50 a year but not needed to play games( unlike in sony's "FREE" online service, i wont be surprise if they play advertisements in the middle of the gameplay lol)



7. Can play games in HDTV

8. Can play Xbox games and has down-loadable oldschool games.

9. Controller has rumble. (Sony forgot to put in that technology, they even said that they invented it, lol)

10. for a few bucks more, about the same price of the ps3 core, (considering that you buy the separate accesories) i can own and upgrade to a 360 premium version

= $300



PS3

1. $500 (both systems must be listed with the same criteria 499=500)

2. COmes with 60g HDD (in the core you get 20 and you can't upgrade)

3. comes with bluetooth (, again only in the 60g version, the 20g comes with wired version and you can't never upgrade to the wireless version)

4. comes with wireless controller(only in 60g version, if u bought core, dont even dream about getting them later cause u can't, unlike in 360.)

5. Comes with blu - ray player (plays games and movies, who cares? blu-ray is as dead as MiniDisc(MD) format and as well as UMD, lol)

6. Online gaming - did Sony really say this was free? or what about ad-free? - click a few ads!!- to keep it free

7. HDMI for true HD( true hd starts at 720p(currently supported by 360), gaming

8. 1080p games (so far two or three)

I have seen 1080p and HDMI and I can't see any difference between that and 1080i, sorry.( i agree)

9. Can play PS1 and PS2 games

10. Has flash card drives and others(ONLY IN 60G VERSION) (Remind me again, dont i have xp media center for my multimedia needs?

besides last time i had to take my projects to college i used a thumb drive, floppies and/or CDs.)

11. comes with wifi(then again only in the 60g version,not for the 20g)

= Still only $500 ( but i cant never upgrade to a 60g hdd, bluetooth controllers, flash memory readers, HDMI,and Wi-Fi connection) whta a rip off



The way it seems for ps3, in about two years its about to become just like my VCR. and as of them saying that all this is not true, it may just be another lie just like the free online play lie.... just so you know, be ready as they will encourage u to click a few ads on their online place so that it can continue to be free lolz :)

360 AND WII 4EVER

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# # 124 is an assGuest 2006-05-17 01:26
the only thing you can't do on the 20 gig Hdrive is upgrade HDMI.



either way.im not supportin billy boy any more than i don already have too..so PSWII is me all the way.



BTW. i am a hardcore gamer.and yes....i can afford the PS3..Hell I could afford 3 60 gig PS3's if i wanted...

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# Does anyone notice...Guest 2006-05-20 10:29
Phil Harrison resembles Lex Luthor

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