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Phil Harrison Responds to Wii60 Alliance |
Listed in: PS3, Wii, Xbox 360 Tags: e3, industry news

Many of you may remember a previous news post where Peter Moore of Microsoft said the following, "Tell me why you would buy a $600 PS3? People are going to buy two [consoles]. They're going to buy an Xbox [360] and they're going to buy a Wii... for the price of one PS3." Now, GamePro has interviewed Phil Harrison of Sony for his take on this. What did he have to say?
"I think Peter Moore is exactly right. I think Nintendo will be the second system consumers purchase after PlayStation 3."
I haven't had a chance to check out the Wii myself, but Nintendo has a great history of innovation and has always done great things for gaming and long may they do so. But as it relates to our strategy they are very much in a different market.
"I know what Peter was getting at with his price point issue but he's not comparing apples to oranges. He's not even comparing the same kind of food products at all. It's clearly a case that PlayStation 3's price is justified by PlayStation 3's value. That's what consumers base their purchasing decisions on -- value."
I'd argue that not only was Moore comparing the same food product, he was comparing two of the same fruit. I also believe that people will get the Wii as either their first or second console. They'll back up their Wii with a 360 or PS3. That or they'll back up their PS3 or 360 with a Wii. Moore seems to realize what Harrison doesn't. There seems to be two types of projects right now. 360 and PS3 and Wii-exclusive. The PS3 and 360 obviously have exclusives of their own, but most of the titles are multiplatform. They systems are almost identical. Just look at Xbox Live and what Sony is trying to do! Do you feel like buying two of what might be the same system before buying a third?
I think I rambled. Please don't start a 130-post flame war this time. Pretty please?
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Wii will be my third console
But i can guarantee that my favourite will be the PS3.. can't beat their franchises
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Regarding the post, this demonstrates how phil harrison is more mature than Peter moore and im starting to dislike microsoft because of this...
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I'd say it's like a PC, a PC is worth 3k$ and fans of pc games buy it, for the value, same goes for ps3, and the wii is appart because it play games from another angle... I want a wii, but I don't want TOO simples games, it's boring :(
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and i already have a 360 ad will probobly be getting all 3 but my next will have to be the Wii
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We'll think what we want to think, as a society. For this to be posted on a quote unquote news-site, is a *****slap to your viewers.
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Im hardcore gamer, but dont really have the funds for ps3... simple as that.
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graphics? a visually stunning movie or game does not make it superior in anything else except for visuals. what makes good games and movies is competition, without all 3 competing with one another we'd only get crap.
also... what makes you say harrison is more mature? to me it looks like he just said what moore said except he said ps3 instead of 360... im confused
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It IS the same fruit. The PS3 is a console just like the Wii and the 360. If you just want a console to play games, then the PS3 is a joke. It's $600 price tag is not a value, its a rip off.
I will buy a Wii, then I'll buy the next system that goes down to the $200 price range; if there is a reason to. That system will probably be a 360 and may never be a PS3.
Sony is dreaming... $600 lol
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"the wii can may have a weak processor and be incabable of rendering new graphic technologies that are present in a new console shift, but thats ok because that was never the point of the wii. Nintendo said that they were'nt in a graphics race and would have the weakest console."
Alright so it's ok to have bad graphics as long as you announce the fact first?
When i get my blood drawn and the doctor warns me that it's going to hurt, it doesn't defeat the fact that i still does. This seems to me circular fanboy logic.
i.e. it's ok if the movie sucks, the director said that was the point!
(note that quote was a summation of the fanboy argument not an actual qoute from this page)
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the problem with that is
ff, assissins creed, and ut 2007 is comming out on 360... nobod bought killzone, MGS is pretty good but japenese, heavenly sword looks to be a little cartoony and not the most impresive physics, resistance should be good but the graphics arent "crap your pants" fantasic. GT5 looks pretty sweet, but dont you remember a grand tourismo 4 for psp at e3 2003 or 2004??? they even had a special edition psp with GT4 all over it, but gt4 never came out. devil may cry should be about the only really great game.
ALOT of games will come out both on 360 and on ps3.
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Anyways, I'm getting a Wii for sure. Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and SSBB are all going to be launch titles. That's the best launch line-up EVER.
PS3 has.... hmm... nothing. MGS4, HS, and a couple other heavy hitters aren't coming out until 2007. I'm just going to wait for the PS3 price drop. It should happen holiday season of '07.
Sorry, but $600 is just too much for a gaming console... Oh wait... it's not a gaming console... it's doing crap I don't want it to do. Gaming is just an option of the PS3, it wants to do everything. Granted, the 360 does everything else as well but when I bought a 360 I just knew gaming was it's main feature. It's bells-and-whistles were just nice features. I don't sense that with the PS3 because Sony is just trying to shove Blu-Ray down people's throats. Why couldn't Sony just release a gaming only version of the PS3? Instead, they release two VERY different version's of the PS3 which neither version is really focusing on being a GAMING machine.
Sorry Sony, but you ain't getting $600 out of me. I've kind of gotten use to eating and sleeping under a roof.
Come this Holiday season, I'll be tripping out on my new 360 games and having a blast with my Wii.
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ff, assissins creed, and ut 2007 is comming out on 360... nobod bought killzone, MGS is pretty good but japenese, heavenly sword looks to be a little cartoony and not the most impresive physics, resistance should be good but the graphics arent "crap your pants" fantasic."
You couldnt be more wrong, none of those games are comming to 360, FF is not comming (other than FF11), Assissins Creed is a PS3 EXCLUSIVE, UT 2007 is PC and PS3 only. MGS4 right now I will tell you will be a system seller, Heavenly Sword looks amazing same with resistance, you really dont understand anything at all. People will buy PS3 because there are alot of loyal sony fans, PS3 is very much worth its value, for all the features your getting (true next gen game player, blu-ray player, location free player, media center, etc). If they create a killer line up, which btw is looking very good, can get more people to get it.
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Xbox360
1. core system - $300
2. 20g HDD - $100
3. Wireless internet - $100
4. Wireless controller -$50
5. HD-DVD -$100 to $200 (just plays movies)
6. ONline gaming - $50 a year
= $700 - $800
PS3
1. $599
2. COmes with 60g HDD (40g more than 360)
3. comes with wifi (blue tooth)
4. comes with wireless controller
5. Comes with blu - ray player (plays games and movies)
6. Online gaming - free
*what it has over 360*
7. HDMI for true HD gaming
8. 1080p games (not all but most)
9. Can play PS1 and PS2 games
10. Has flash card drivesand others
= Still only $599
I wonder which seems like the better deal.
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this guy makes a big point, which alot of people dont get, there is also more
11. Location free player - (which on its own is $400)
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there aren't on final dev kits...maybe alpha!...they are also even rumored to being ran on PCs! can you imagine that.
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this hasn't been confirmed.
which leads me to another rant.
Could sony please *****ing focus on gaming?
Seems like only nitendo and Microsoft are aware they are making Gaming Machines...not "the box with as many half-assed features as we can squeeze in there"
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When I got my PSP I wanted a portable game machine.
Although Movies and Music are nice SOny shouldn't try using that as a selling point which is what they are doing.
MS has all these extras but doesn't expect to sell it as a DVD player. MS sells it as a Game machine. Sony always says "More than a gaming machine."
We wan't games sony not much more.
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Second, not all systems need to be out before you judge them. I can tell right now that the PS3 is a much better machine in every aspect than the rest. That doesnt mean that its gonna sell more. It just means that it truly is the best bang for your buck.
Also, considering what will be in the package, I think the 600 price tag is pretty damn good. Its called a job, get one. And if you have a job and just dont want to spend money on games, then dont ***** about it to me.
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Xbox360
1. core system - $300
2. 20g HDD - Not needed to play games
3. Wireless internet - Not needed to play games
4. Wireless controller - Not needed to play games
5. HD-DVD - Not needed to play games
6. ONline gaming - $50 a year but not needed to play games
7. Can play games in HDTV
8. Can play Xbox games and has down-loadable oldschool games.
9. Controller has rumble. (Sony forgot to put in that technology, they even said that they invented it, lol)
= $300
PS3
1. $600 (both systems must be listed with the same criteria 599=600)
2. COmes with 60g HDD (40g more than 360)
3. comes with wifi (blue tooth)
4. comes with wireless controller
5. Comes with blu - ray player (plays games and movies)
6. Online gaming - did Sony really say this was free?
7. HDMI for true HD gaming
8. 1080p games (not all but most)
I have seen 1080p and HDMI and I can't see any difference between that and 1080i, sorry.
9. Can play PS1 and PS2 games
10. Has flash card drivesand others (whatever that point means)
= Still only $600
I wonder which seems like the better deal? lol
I don't even like Microsoft or the 360. I'm a Wii fanboy. I loved the PS2, it could be the best system ever. I just wanted things to be correct. =)
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As for the PS3 it will come with a blu-ray reader automatically, and it will have an easy to use interface. Along with that you get a safer O.S. which work smore like an app: Linux!
So you should think about it a bit more editor guy!
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Xbox360
1. core system - $300
2. 20g HDD - Not needed to play games
3. Wireless internet - Not needed to play games
4. Wireless controller - Not needed to play games
5. HD-DVD - Not needed to play games
6. ONline gaming - $50 a year but not needed to play games
7. Can play games in HDTV
8. Can play Xbox games and has down-loadable oldschool games.
9. Controller has rumble. (Sony forgot to put in that technology, they even said that they invented it, lol)
= $300
PS3
1. $600 (both systems must be listed with the same criteria 599=600)
2. COmes with 60g HDD (40g more than 360)
3. comes with wifi (blue tooth)
4. comes with wireless controller
5. Comes with blu - ray player (plays games and movies)
6. Online gaming - did Sony really say this was free?
7. HDMI for true HD gaming
8. 1080p games (not all but most)
I have seen 1080p and HDMI and I can't see any difference between that and 1080i, sorry.
9. Can play PS1 and PS2 games
10. Has flash card drivesand others (whatever that point means)
= Still only $600
I wonder which seems like the better deal? lol
I don't even like Microsoft or the 360. I'm a Wii fanboy. I loved the PS2, it could be the best system ever. I just wanted things to be correct. =)
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im talking to you, 44
...or maybe 33? just look for the desperate sony boy
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Each of these three "next-gen" consoles brings several different features and abilities to the market. Each are uniquely different and a totally individual product (and thus a completely different fruit). And thus making them impossible to truly compare as a system.
In past gaming platforms and consoles, the battle was for better graphics during gameplay. Although that battle continues, it is not the only factor in the success of a gaming console (see the gamecube for example).
Anyways, what should be considered now, and what should really be compared is not the consoles themselves, because as I said each brings several different things to the table, but rather the complimentary style goods and products that come with it.
These complimentary products are the games. With different style and content coming to each type of game for each system, it is their functionality and their ability to be incorporated into the functionality of the console itself that will determine which console wins in the end.
One example of this is the promise of downloadable content for future games such as the GTA games on the Xbox. While it seems at the moment the PS3 may have limited downloadable content for it, the Xbox might have a chance to win out through the ability to offer more customization and more content in the game through their (complimentary) internet service then the PS3. but then again, you never know as the PS3 may be able to reach up to (and maybe even surpass) the Xbox Live in different ways with online ability.
Another is the Wii or PS3's ability to incorporate the motion sensing into enough games as to keep the action exciting and entertaining without it becoming a hassle or annoyance.
With both the PS3 and the Wii having the ability for motion sensing, and both the PS3 and Xbox 360 having really next-gen graphics and (hopefully) downloadable content - and so forth. It is again obvious that it is impossible to compare these next-gen consoles against each other. This in turn leads us again to the complementary services and products provided that will be the things that make the decision on who wins.
So honestly everyone needs to stop comparing the consoles in the fashion that they are now (which seems to be more on the pricing and the overall "next-gen" factor of it), it is up to other things such as the game developers and their ability and want to be able to make games that truely use these consoles to the fullest capability and to make them what they are. While software and hardware have a bit to do with it, in a gaming world like today, it makes it impossible to truly compare these consoles.
It really is like comparing different fruits. Maybe not food groups but def. different fruits.
You wouldn't skip over eating an apple just because a Strawberry is a brighter red then it, would you?
Same as with not wanting a Ferrarri because it costs more then another car. Its a matter of value. and value has to do with utility and personal enjoyment.
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second, assasins creed hasnt been announced for 360, but its by ubisoft, do you really think they will spend that much on making a game and not go multiplatform? this one will be on 360, although maybe a little after ps3, similar to what happened with splinter cell on xbox/ps2.
#33, you are comparing the core 360 to the premium ps3, nice bias. 1080p is hardly supported by any ps3 title, not "most". HDMI is ONLY on the premium ps3, and they are coming out with a HDMI add-on for 360 for only 40 bucks, core or premium. got a media center pc and a 360, there is PVR right there. if you dont, its 200 for XP MCE and 50 for a tv tuner. 250 vs 400 location free player? yum.
also, sony is playing all of you on this online bs they are saying. did you not listen carefuly to they E3 conference? they said Friends lists, gamer profile, downloadable content, text audio and video messaging, and voice chat. All of those features are available for free on 360 as well with a silver account. did you notice whenever they talked about sony online and free they NEVER mentioned online multiplayer? i predict they will announce the real online strategy in a few months, and there will be a silver/gold ripoff too.
it sounds to me like sony is trying to play everyone by Saying that the only difference is 40gb, but not advertising the fact that the lower end also isnt HDMI, isnt wifi, isnt a card reader, MAY not come with wireless control (see engadget). And they wont let you upgrade it. 500 is a lot, but its a lot less than 600 also. if you dont have HDMI on your tv, which may be a lot of people, or if you dont need wifi or if you think 20gb will suffice (which, lets face it, will be the majority of people looking into this) then the core ps3 is for you. that is until 3 years pass and you now are out of room on your 20gb, youre home is completley wireless, you have a nice 1080p HDMI tv, and now you have to spend another 400 dollars (probable price point of prem. ps3 in 3 years) on an entirely new ps3 instead of just upgrading your old one as you get these new features in your home? thanks sony.
sony may win the next gen war, but by the gods they will be playing a dirty fight, keeping uneducated consumers in the dark, and hoping the sheep will follow them mindlessly.
good luck
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i am also considering buying a wii since the controller format has so many possibilities available to it.
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1. core system - $300
2. 20g HDD - $100
3. Wireless internet - $100
4. Wireless controller -$50
5. HD-DVD -$100 to $200 (just plays movies)
6. ONline gaming - $50 a year
= $700 - $800
PS3
1. $599
2. COmes with 60g HDD (40g more than 360)
3. comes with wifi (blue tooth)
4. comes with wireless controller
5. Comes with blu - ray player (plays games and movies)
6. Online gaming - free
*what it has over 360*
7. HDMI for true HD gaming
8. 1080p games (not all but most)
9. Can play PS1 and PS2 games
10. Has flash card drivesand others
= Still only $599
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1. core system - $300
2. 20g HDD - $100
3. Wireless internet - $100
4. Wireless controller -$50
5. HD-DVD -$100 to $200 (just plays movies)
6. ONline gaming - $50 a year
= $700 - $800
PS3
1. $599
2. COmes with 60g HDD (40g more than 360)
3. comes with wifi (blue tooth)
4. comes with wireless controller
5. Comes with blu - ray player (plays games and movies)
6. Online gaming - free
*what it has over 360*
7. HDMI for true HD gaming
8. 1080p games (not all but most)
9. Can play PS1 and PS2 games
10. Has flash card drivesand others
= Still only $599
Thats what i tought of the PS3 ITS ALL VALUE!
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1. prem system - $400
2. 20g HDD - included
3. Wireless internet - not reqd by most
4. Wireless controller - included
5. HD-DVD -$100 to $200 (just plays movies) Not reqd by most
6. Online gaming - $50 a year
= $450
+ HD Movie player = $550 - $650
PS3
1. $500
2. COmes with 20g HDD (suitable for most)
3. Comes with wireless controller
5. Comes with blu - ray player (plays games and movies)
6. Online gaming - $50 (estimated)
7. HDMI for true HD gaming (not in core and not reqd by most)
8. 1080p games (not all but most, if any, not including upscaled games)
9. Can play PS1 and PS2 games
10. Has flash card drivesand others (?)
= $550
+ HD Movie player = $650
Here is a fairer comparison. This is the typical setup required by the majority of consumers. Note that HDMI is required by to output any resolution higher than 480p [DVD quality], therefore the premium PS3 is required in order for BluRay to be an advantage over DVD. Online gaming on PS3 is also likely to attract a membership cost too.
So for a gaming setup, the difference is only $100. A gaming + HD movie player will come to be roughly the same cost. I have no doubt that those loyal to the Playstation brand will be happy to part with the extra $100 for a gaming system. Looks like this is going to be a tight tussle between PS3 vs 360 vs Wii.
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you people who are spouting off that one system is better than the other, that one sucks and the others dont... listen and listen well.
Starting off Nintendo sticks with game, its what they do... they have learned from their greedy past (starting with the nes) and bad business habits. They are trying to stay true to the gamers now not themselves. Why? Its because their going under from their greed. They screwed sony back in the day, they screw many many MANY 3rd party developers, hell the NES many developers had to hack the thing to make games. Snes not so bad. N64? They stuck with cartridges to keep control, they lost 3rd party developers by the handfull, gamecube flopped because of that, not to mention the controller, it gave to many limitations for development. They have learned, slowly but they have learned. Wii is friendly to the gamers and to developers, the controller is innovative and offers very little limitation. They now go for the nongammers, the casual.
Sony came in the gamming world after getting screwed by nintendos shady business deals and breaches in contracts. They have pushed new mediums since the ps1, sega saw the potential of sony and rushed things with the saturn (leading to thier fall), and sony has followed suite since then pushing new mediums with the ps2, psp, and now ps3. whether they take off is up to the consumer and the mediums versitilty. The PS3 may be expensive but unlike the ps2 and ps1 blu-ray is bran bran new, developed from scratch, as well as the cell processor. They push hardware, to allow developers to do more with the systems. dvd-9's will be good for now but theyll be filling up quick. Especially when a.i. starts to be paid attention fully not to mention larger and larger worlds more content. Its multiple media features are their because not everyone wants to have cluster of coards behind their tv, nor have the money/space to buy everything seperatly. It may be simplified but its their for basic purposes.
Microsoft came in after they worked with sega on the dreamcast, they got their hands wet and wanted more. They made Xbox, american based and raised. It comes off in the games as well. You find many PC esc games, fps, mechs, and a few rpgs. The system was a rippoff of the dreamcast in alot of ways. The contollers were very similar, (i feel the dreamcast one felt better) but uncomfortable on the xbox. Its kindof a half step up from the dreamcast, as the 360 is another halfstep up from the xbox. The 360 doesnt feel next gen, they expanded apon the live features and community. The games look mid range pc graphics level, their quality, about the same as xbox just shinnier. the controller a huge improvement from the xbox. Its for american style gamers.
to simplify down to it: Wii for nogamer, redemption from their past mistakes. looks like fun
ps3, multimedia usage, pushing new hardware, for those who see value, want large libraries and variety, its value is equal to its price
xbox 360.... call me a hater or what ever you want but its just not my gravy, at first the games looked great and played well but after a few times, i found them lackluster, overly shinny, and kindof boring. Halo is fun to play with a friend stoned with surroundsound, and fable's time concept with consiquences was great but over all xbox and xbox360 seem lacking.
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Xbox360
1. core system - $300
2. 20g HDD - $100
3. Wireless internet - $100
4. Wireless controller -$50
5. HD-DVD -$100 to $200 (just plays movies)
6. ONline gaming - $50 a year
= $700 - $800
PS3
1. $599
2. COmes with 60g HDD (40g more than 360)
3. comes with wifi (blue tooth)
4. comes with wireless controller
5. Comes with blu - ray player (plays games and movies)
6. Online gaming - free
*what it has over 360*
7. HDMI for true HD gaming
8. 1080p games (not all but most)
9. Can play PS1 and PS2 games
10. Has flash card drivesand others
= Still only $599
I wonder which seems like the better deal.
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ok man, wtf, ability to play backwards compatible is not something you should be putting because microsoft said by the end of the year, all games shuld be backwards comaptible. you know what comes out at the end of the year? ps3.
also, 360 comes with a wireless controller with premium which is 400 dollars. why the hell did u put up the core version anyways. premium has HD cables and wireless controller and HDD in it for the same price. also, they give you the option for HD-DVD and wireless so you dont have to spend it all at once. my setup for 360 is going to be 500 with HD-DVD.
still they both cost alot but seriously man, dont just add ***** to the ps3 to make it look good if your not going to add 360s advantages
oh and by the way, IF YOU WANT A CHEAP CONSOLE, GET A WII. its affordable, has good games, a really good controller design, its online is also free, and hell, u can swordfight in it. the 360 and ps3 are just alot of money because both are powerfull as *****. when i get a wii, im sure ill be happy. then ill get a ps3 after a few months prior to its release.
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Note that HDMI is required by HDCP (High Definition Content Protection) regulations as part of AACS digital encoding to output any resolution higher than 480p [DVD quality]
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This is pretty stupid,,, all this techincal crap is going to never get through the heads of the common consumer. Try explaining why 480i and 480p are different to non technical person... they usually say the same thing "huh"
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FLAME FLAME FLAME
***** SONY X360 is soooooo much better *****ing sony is for *****s.... name one good game on there! it doesnt and cannot have Oblivion, PDZ, PGR3 , Fable 2
SO ***** SONY!
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FLAME FLAME FLAME
***** MS PS3 is soooooo much better *****ing MS is for *****s.... name one good game on there! it doesnt and cannot have MGS4, KZ2, GT4 , FFXIII
SO ***** MS!
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fruit = gaming system
cake = HD movie player
fruitcake = gaming system including movie player
360 = Fruit = Its a gaming system, its $300 and $400 if you want the extras. If you want to make it a fruitcake then you'll have to pay extra for the HD-DVD player
PS3 = Fruitcake = Its a gaming, HD-movie playing system. Its $500 for cr*p and $600 for the real one. If all you want is fruit then this is not for you. If you really like fruitcake then go for it.
I'm not paying $600 for fruit. Some of you are saying that everyone wants the complete fruitcake package. But you don't understand..... MOST OF US DON'T WANT FRUITCAKE.
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That the exact reason they have two SKU's. For people who really don't care about the other multimedia functions like memory card support and such don't need to pay an extra $100 for something they won't use. For people who don't have wireless internet, or a wireless router, they don't need the Wi-Fi, so there is no need to pay for the extra $100. There will of course be Third Party Wi-Fi accesories and such for those that want an upgrade of sorts. It just gives choice to the consumer and that is what Sony wants.
The author of this 'article' is a joke, and extremely unprofessional, and not aware. For some, the PS3 will be the first system, and only system. The Playstation 3 has the best of both worlds, while keeping it's own little niche in the market. It has the new possibilty for gameplay, and the amazing graphics. It has the online service that everyone wanted and cried about. So for those people who insist on bashing Sony for the PS3's price, shut up and open your eyes a little, and get your head out of the gudder and realize what 'VALUE' is!
As for the comparison - It seems to me that the comparison of the core 360, to 60GB PS3 was meant to show value. If you buy the cheapest 360 and want the same experience that the PS3 would offer, you would have to pay that extra $300-ish. As for the premium 360, to 60GB PS3, you are still getting more value for the buck from PS3.
THIS IS NOT A FANBOY COMMENT. It's a logical, thinking post that acknowledges the value, and differences in market.
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Also think about the New Gamers the Wii is going for. At $600 they aren't going to be getting any new customers. Just hardcore Sony fans that have a lot of cash. Or do you think I should take a few more jobs so that I can buy a PS3 and have no time to play it?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8qhMg3NvJ0
sony never said online gaming would be free, they give the same services as xbox silver in their presentation as free, listen between the lines. the service still has the possibility, but i highly doubt it will be free. this just evens out those arguments of price, with the online gaming being set at 0$
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the so called war, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU... what the hell do you benifit from if ps3 sells more than xbox? NOTHING, why... because xbox will still produce games. im tired of seeing this bull ship about oh its a war and blah blah blah. get over it. i dont know why i read this *****
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its funny how the youtube video is not the full presentation.
anyway, the basic standard features that are "FOR FREE" are game lobbies, player matching, voice chat and a variety of commercial features that was said in that video.
The so called gold subscription will be fee based i heard and will offer downloadable content as well as games. the e-distro service will also be fee based, price depending on the game you are buying.
This came directly from Phil Harrisons's mouth during the GDC Q&A.
so no, this does not even out the argument of price and i still find it funny how people are arguing something that has already been confirmed by sony themselves.
source:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/news.php?aid=15356
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/23/region-free-ps3-free-online-multiplayer-confirmed/
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Your comment is so wrong, its hilarious. You don't have a clue about Blu-Ray or HDMI, so stop trying to sound like you do
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1. premium xbox - $400
2. 20g HDD - $100
3. Wireless internet - you could simply use a cable
4. Wireless controller - check
5. HD-DVD - who needs it? there will be 2 years left i think, till movies wont come out on dvd anymore
6. ONline gaming - $50 a year
= $500
PS3
1. $599
2. COmes with 60g HDD (40g more than 360)
3. comes with wifi (blue tooth)
4. comes with wireless controller(whic h is a bad joke)
5. Comes with blu - ray player (lol,let me just say you am dee)
6. Online gaming - sony never said that there will be online gaming
they just said that they are going to have a better service then xbox live.but why?the world may never know
*what it has over 360*
7. HDMI for true HD gaming- bull*****
most of the games will be the same resolution the 360 has, and devs TEHMSELVES told that 1080p will just be blown up
8. 1080p games (not all but most)- actually, hdmi and 1080p means the same you dumbasses, hdmi is required for 1080p. the only difference between 1080p and 1080i, is that on 1080i the pictures interlaced
reslution is still the same
so true hd gaming, thats crap. 1080i is exactly
9. Can play PS1 and PS2 games-xbox has compatibility
10. Has flash card drivesand others- who needs it?
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Go research some more, maybe you'll find something intresting! But to have all the stupid f*cking sony fanboys bashing us is not right at all.
We dont create worthless posts on how the PS3 is crappier than the 360! Just do yourseld a favour and stop flaming each other.
Sony and Microsoft dont give a crap if you support them at all. They only wan that extra cash in your wallet.
And the reason i have always liked nintendo is because they dont hate on other competition! They'll just make a games console that anyone could play on with hours of fun. (That includes no stupid media device ***** ect...)
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What I mean with level:
First year after lanch:
Level 1: Show off. First games out and sharpness is main thing.
Year 2 after lanch:
Level 2: More details and better physics.
Year 4 after lanch
Level 3: Games that is designed to be on both consoles and have great graphics, but miss the last touch.
Year 5-6 after lanch
Level 4: A game made for one console only. Made using the best coding after years of knowledge to the hardware.
This have nothing to do with game play.
Yes I’m a Sony fanboy. Now that’s clear. But whatever we have between 360 and PS3. The next console we buy is a Wii.
So in reality I think Nintendo wont win in power or numbers sold. They win in everything else. Innovation, popularity, entertainment, simpler households buy it ++
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I love nintendo but im not blind to them. Same with sony and microsoft.
also 87, if you dont read then how can you know whats going down or not, two lines isnt enough for sh**, all you get is 4 y/o's bash or cheer.
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also nintendo talks just as much shi* as any other. right now m$ is bashing sony, Nintendo is bashing Sony. Sony is getting crap because they listened to people want and did it. So guess what, most people dont want the extra features? think again, they're there cause you asked for them.
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goodbye
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I'll search for another PS3 news site with journalist able to save their pointless opinions to themselves.
cya
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The way I look at it is people don't necessarily buy a second console becaues it's cheap. Look at the GC, it's been the cheapest machine for the entire gen, yet it can't catch a break. If people weren't buying multiple consoles then why would they in the coming gen with consoles that are priced 2-3 times what they are now?
So on that basis I look at the same argument of multiplatform gaming. Multiplatforms generally have good sized and sometimes really high budgets and they tend to sell well because of it. Not having access to the next gen multiplatforms will hurt Wii's library to be sure. It'll mean that the Wii will have a smaller library by leaps and bounds. And as we all know a slow growing library tends to hurt a console.
And also if you look at the Wii's game list, so far they do have alot of multiplatforms listed. The multiplatforms are just current gen games instead.
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I don't know how old any of you guys are, but I'm 26, and gaming isn't my entire life anymore. Sure, when I was in grade school and High School, I played games a lot, but now that I'm older, my priorities have shifted, and I only play games either A.) when I'm working (I work at Obsidian Entertainment), or B.) When I get the free time. I watch movies, listen to music, surf the internet, and do all sorts of other things, so having a system that caters to that need is perfect for my particular lifestyle. I love the PS3 because it rolls my loves all into one (PS1,PS2, PS3 games, movies, music, internet, and more). I sat down in one of Sony's booths and watched a Blu-Ray demonstration for movies, and was thoroughly impressed, even though before hand, I was kind of on the fence about it. The fact that you can get that high quality of a picture for $600, when stand alond Blu Ray players are over $1000, is a steal for me.
I played Crackdown for the 360, and it's one of the most fun games I've played in a long time. Lost Planet looks breathtaking, and while Too Human had severe framerate issues, it looked great, and I'm sure it'll be polished by the time the game is ready to launch. I was riding the fence on the 360 as well, but after E3, I'm seriously considering getting one after I get a PS3 and Wii (of course, my gf wants a 360, so maybe I'll just play hers).
All in all, I was impressed with all 3 systems (though I could only go off of what I saw and heard about the Wii, since I didn't get to play it), and I think all 3 are worth your money as they each offer different things to the consumer. The PS3 has some killer exclusives (Metal Gear Solid 4 and the two Final Fantasy XIII's just to name a few), and so does the 360. I think it's an incredible time to be a gamer, and totally worth it to save every scrap of money you can to purchase them all. This E3 was the best one I've been to so far, and I was not dissappointed.
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stop being such "fanboys!"
whats the definition of a fanboy you say?? well here it is...
fanboy: a broke person that cannot afford all 3 gamesystems. therefore only buys one system and becomes a "follower" for that system and also talks bad about the other. Also, doesnt know this, but....each company (nintendo,Micro soft,Sony) doesnt give a craps ass about fans. its all about the moolah!!
ya broke biotches!!
nuff said!!
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By the way can we got some assidious non-biased bloggers please, this is a website not a *****in community center.
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Look at e3 the ps3 games were not even close to done and the graphics and gameplay were flat out amazing. I was at e3 and thier were some very interesting games for the 360 but the ones now are only oblivion(if your 360 could handle it mine froze constantly) also it has GraW and it was interesting. The ps3 has so many games that I am looking forward to more then the 360(which is Gears of War and Crackdown thats all) like Resistence, neavenly sword, assassin' s creed(a ps3 EXCLUSIVE,ut200 7 a ps3 and pc ONLY, Killzone 2 , ffXIII and versus XIII, and Madden which I can't wait to see on the ps3. You could do so much with the Ps3 it is unreal.
Also you people who say sony was dethroned. it's not possible Sony's both past consule's have sold over 100 million units thats 100 million fans, so Sony loosing all of those fans to a system that sold 22 million on the Xbox and did only well in the Us while sony has Asia, most of europe and australia etc. and they are going to loose, be real guys i mean you 360 fanboys can hate all you want but when the wii and ps3 come out you will know start to compare and see the better system. Another thing the ps3 if you add all the 360 add- ons and such is way less then the 360. and if the online service is free then you got me sold. Another thing is that the 360 will fare better in the consule war then last time and as analyst predict it will sell 50 million and ps3 selling 121 million by the end of the 5 year period(go to gamesindustry.biz and you will see it thier). Also developers have already said thatr the ps3 power is tremndous and that they do find it difficult to figure out the cell but when they do they see it very fun, and it is far powerful then the 360. Another thing is that people don't have to buy the $600 ps3 they could get the $499 if they can't afford a better system. Even if it miss some things it is way better then the 360. You never no they may add add-ons so it;s to early to tell so stop talking the system did not come out yet so you people don't know anything yet. Hek the price might even go down by lauch day because people complain so much, they did it for the boomerang controller , so they will listen to the consumers and thier fans.
I feel sorry for the Wii and nintendo, soon the consule war will be fought between Sony and Microsoft and nintendo will be stuck making games because some developers have already said that the wii doe'st have enough specs to create some of the great games like Enemy territory Quake wars which is for the ps3, 360, and pc.
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.....The P$3 is a con$ole just like the Wii and the 360. If you just want a con$ole to play game$, then the P$3 i$ a joke. It's $600 price tag i$ not a value, its a rip off. $eriou$ly... who'$ going to want the 'cheap' ver$ion of the P$3. I didn't $ee people ru$hing to get the 'Core' ver$ion of the 360. However, at lea$t the Core ver$ion wa$ actually UPGRADABLE. The 'Core' version of the P$3 i$n't. Bad move Sony... very bad move.
......the $o called war, HA$ NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU... what the hell do you benifit from if p$3 $ell$ more than xbox? NOTHING, why... becau$e xbox will still produce game$. $ony and Micro$oft dont give a crap if you $upport them at all or not. They only want that extra ca$h in your wallet.
....And the rea$on i have alway$ liked nintendo is becau$e they dont hate on other competition! They'll ju$t make a game$ con$ole that anyone could play on with hour$ of fun. (That include$ no $tupid media device ***** ect...)
people wake up, everything in this $o called con$ole war i$ about money $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$
no one care whether u drool on $ony'$ con$ole or micro$oft'$ con$ole...
be$ide$, all of tho$e $ony fan$, plea$e $top pretending to be $ony'$ repre$entative$ $tating whether i'll be free online $ervice or not..... be$ide$ whether it'$ free or not, Micro$oft did it fir$t for free and that'$ that.
if $ony charge$ for feature$( that micro$oft offer$ for free) $uch a$ trailer$ and downloadable content, then everyone would buy 360 becau$e it'$ a whole lot cheaper with free XBL $ilver and downloable content...
now i feel much relieved... thank you
ju$t my thought$
although im a 360 fan, "give credit to what it de$erve$ it whether u like it or not"
p$3,360,wii are great product$, ju$t wait and $ee for the winner
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sony released the blu-ray player at a far higher price than the hd-dvd players(about 2x the cost). the released a super high priced format and then released their console for half that price... there are already tens of millions of hd-dvd players preordered or already bought. blu-ray keeps getting delayed. do you really honestly think people are going to buy blu-ray??? the world is about 99% common knowledge tech folks. if you asked them to choose between a hd-dvd player and a blu-ray they will go hd-dvd. why? because its familiar, cheaper, and something they know what it does. HD(high definition)-dvd(what i use now to watch movies). they can figure that out. if you ask them what blu-ray is they will have no fricken clue what it does. just 1% of the population that knows blu-ray is better wont secure its future.
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PENIS!
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BTW...hey sony fanboys!!! yeah YOU!!
pls explain why sony lied about killzone and why a no show at e3?? cmon!! yeah im pickin on u guys!! for now (wink)
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no but seriously...im sure u can save, maybe starting now?
or try this!!
get 200 dollars, go to 4 different gamestops, gamecrazy...etc. and put 50 dollars down on the ps3. wait till release day...then sell 3 of your reserve tickets for like 300 dollars EACH!! there are some lazy rich people that would do that instead of waiting in line for one. that would leave u with 900 dollars to spend on anything! there u go kids!! and....YOUR WELCOME!!
thats how i got my 360 practically for free!! hahahahaha!!
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spend over 1500 dollars on consoles when you can just go out and build a pc that you can upgrade? i bet you $50 that the cell will be outdated within 2 years.
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also..why have 1 thing and root for that 1, when u can have 3 things and stick your tongue out and say...nah,nah,nah,nah ..
i have all of them!!
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also..why have 1 thing and root for that 1, when u can have 3 things and stick your tongue out and say...nah,nah,nah,nah ..
i have all of them!!
also...i have a pc and a power mac...soo...
nah,nah,nah,nah ... i have more stuff than u!!
hahahahahahah!!
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FLAME
FLAME
FLAME
FLAME
FLAME
i like my 360
Wii has potential but id like to see some more content
PS3 doesnt have enough to compel me to spend 600 dollars and thus far i havent really seen anything graphically or gameplay wise that the 360 couldnt do just as well
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1. premium xbox - $350/300(there will be a price drop this holiday)
2. 20g HDD - check
4. Wireless controller - check
6. ONline gaming - $50 a year
= $450/400
PS3
ONline gaming - $TBA a year
=$599+(ONline gaming)
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Wii60 4EVA
YOU COWS ARE GETTING RIPPED!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!
***** ***** ***** *****Y JAP SLUT
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1. core system - $300
2. 20g HDD - Not needed to play games(CAN UPGRADE ANYTIME)
3. Wireless internet - Not needed to play games(CAN UPGRADE ANYTIME)
4. Wireless controller - Not needed to play games(CAN UPGRADE ANYTIME)
5. HD-DVD - Not needed to play games(CAN UPGRADE ANYTIME)
6. ONline gaming - $50 a year but not needed to play games( unlike in sony's "FREE" online service, i wont be surprise if they play advertisements in the middle of the gameplay lol)
7. Can play games in HDTV
8. Can play Xbox games and has down-loadable oldschool games.
9. Controller has rumble. (Sony forgot to put in that technology, they even said that they invented it, lol)
10. for a few bucks more, about the same price of the ps3 core, (considering that you buy the separate accesories) i can own and upgrade to a 360 premium version
= $300
PS3
1. $500 (both systems must be listed with the same criteria 499=500)
2. COmes with 60g HDD (in the core you get 20 and you can't upgrade)
3. comes with bluetooth (, again only in the 60g version, the 20g comes with wired version and you can't never upgrade to the wireless version)
4. comes with wireless controller(only in 60g version, if u bought core, dont even dream about getting them later cause u can't, unlike in 360.)
5. Comes with blu - ray player (plays games and movies, who cares? blu-ray is as dead as MiniDisc(MD) format and as well as UMD, lol)
6. Online gaming - did Sony really say this was free? or what about ad-free? - click a few ads!!- to keep it free
7. HDMI for true HD( true hd starts at 720p(currently supported by 360), gaming
8. 1080p games (so far two or three)
I have seen 1080p and HDMI and I can't see any difference between that and 1080i, sorry.( i agree)
9. Can play PS1 and PS2 games
10. Has flash card drives and others(ONLY IN 60G VERSION) (Remind me again, dont i have xp media center for my multimedia needs?
besides last time i had to take my projects to college i used a thumb drive, floppies and/or CDs.)
11. comes with wifi(then again only in the 60g version,not for the 20g)
= Still only $500 ( but i cant never upgrade to a 60g hdd, bluetooth controllers, flash memory readers, HDMI,and Wi-Fi connection) whta a rip off
The way it seems for ps3, in about two years its about to become just like my VCR. and as of them saying that all this is not true, it may just be another lie just like the free online play lie.... just so you know, be ready as they will encourage u to click a few ads on their online place so that it can continue to be free lolz :)
360 AND WII 4EVER
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either way.im not supportin billy boy any more than i don already have too..so PSWII is me all the way.
BTW. i am a hardcore gamer.and yes....i can afford the PS3..Hell I could afford 3 60 gig PS3's if i wanted...
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