FIRST!!!!! Not as good, but still looks great

this is in pre pre-alfa build so the game will look even better than this

its pretty good

I just downloaded this from PSN and it looks even better in HD. If it does improve by the time it comes out, it may look just like the 05 showing.

I also downloaded it from PSN, and it looked much better then what I saw from Gametrailers.



BUT!!! What they say in this movie about volumtric fire. In the realtime movie it is deffinitly not volumetric fire but just flat particle sprites!. You can even see that de Z-ordering is not right.



Also with the explosion, its just not volumetric smoke. Really, its not what we've seen in the techdemo of the PS3 with the nice explosion at the gasstation. Too bad. But still the game looks pretty nice!. Go Holland (H)

sure the detail and textures arent the same quality and fire and explosion effects could use some refining but that would be crititizing a of sea gold over some dust in its surface



remember this is an alpha build....and the game is slated to use propietary lighting techniques [developed by Sony itself] and FSAA,and many previewers suggested that the real-time show-case demo was running at 1080P



i also share IGN belief that the game is running at 1080P....according to their analysis the game was so sharp even on the large screen [and they suggests that the game was actualy running on 1080P]..incredible



if that is true....then the game would define the Bar for console graphics,no other game puts 1080P,FSAA and such special lighting effects and intentsity at the same time,maybe some of the elements but not all together on a "Console"



this isnt about whats not done before...this about how much is done in the same time,Killzone 2 just puts so much together that i havent seen in any Console game before [i am not refering to PC games...since PC,s have infinite system resources]



Kudos for Sony and Guerilla games for such a Gargantuan effort....they single-handedly lifted all the negative aura on the PS3...and completely took the carpet from Halo3



E3 has passed but nearly no one talks about the Halo3 single player showing...with the exception of few fans,Killzone managed to ruin MS showing [not that the Re-hashed Halo 2 engine would,ve impressed regardless]



i will be curious to see the Console UT3.....until now only the PC version has been shown,but i would like to see a console version in-game trailer

I think that its mission accomplished.... in some aspects the game looked better than the pre rendered, - for instance, the blood, and the body movements when characters get shot, I mean that was beyond what we saw in the pre rendered trailer.

It looks great, but texture quality, polygon levels, animation, particle effects (volumetric smoke for instance), are all below the pre-rendered trailer.



It looks great, but it doesn't match the 2005 trailer.

..when gamers respond like you have, since it makes you no better than mister common sense. He keeps posting like that because it's so easy to get to guys like you. :|



Gears of War is certainly not trash compared to any game, and where have they confirmed that Killzone 2 is in 1080p?

um did you see the REAL gameplay trailer? goto gametrailers.com and they have a video of someone playing the game

"E3 has passed but nearly no one talks about the Halo3 single player showing..."



From what I'm seeing on the websites, Killzone isn't getting muh more converage than Halo 3, in fact, I would have expected far more since it was the first time the game had been shown running in realtime. Even here on QJ, the Killzone threads have hardly set these forums on fire, which is surprising given all the hype.



Not a single webite have ignored Halo 3 in favour of Killzone, and all those who have seen Halo 3 single player have come away with great impressions of the game they saw. And this is the game 360 owner will be playing in a few months, whereas Killzone will be next year.



You seem to see what you want to see. :|

...to see a long post which was actually worth reading.



Great post. :)

Trust me Killzone 2 is getting more coverage than Halo 3. Go to www.n4g.com and u will see that Killzone 2 is the hotter game.

"dont bet.......it will not happen,not with the Aging renderware engine that Halo3 is using"



Bungie are not using Renderware, they have ALWAYS developed their OWN in house game engines for Halo, and Halo 3 is no different. So get your facts right.



The fact that you do not know this means I can already dismiss your clueless post without going any further.



It's a proprietry engine written by Bungie, so instead of getting your facts from gamers on forums, try getting them from reliable sources, such as company websites and interviews with developers. That way perhaps you'll learn something.

"the DVD drive will prove a severe problem for streaming,its slow...."



Too slow? The DVD drive in the 360 is FASTER (and yes, much noisier) than the Blu-ray drive in the PS3 (on average about 35% faster, but up to 80% faster on the outer tracks), so again, you show you don't know what you're talking about. :|



The advantage of Blu-ray is not speed, it's capacity, and it's quieter because the data is packed much more densely on the disk compared to DVD, meaning it doesn't have to by spun as fast.

"BioWare's Greg Zeschuk explained to IGN where the game is in its development cycle and why the little bumps are still in the game. The content, he explained, is finished. However, since the game is entirely streaming, where you put the content on the DVD itself can effect how it runs. Placing everything in a place where it can easily load whenever it is needed is a tricky task and one the team is currently working on."



so, not quite what you're saying now is it. Also, the HDD is not ruled out because of the core 360, since Bethesda used the HDD in the 360 version of Oblivion to improve load times. All it meant was that gamers with the core 360 didn't benefit from HDD caching, but other 360 gamers did.

"Too slow? The DVD drive in the 360 is FASTER (and yes, much noisier) than the Blu-ray drive in the PS3 (on average about 35% faster, but up to 80% faster on the outer tracks), so again, you show you don't know what you're talking about. :|"



Jesus..



go read what i typed...the advantage is the standard HDD in the PS3 not the drive [My god...i have to explain everything]



the HDD can stream at 35.5MB/Sec [for a normal SATA],combined with Blu-ray speed stream at about 9MB/sec [PS3 can use both,as ID Tech 5 will have the abiltity to stream from both]



the 360 DVD can stream 16MB/sec at best and will fall down to 10MB/sec and lower in inner layers [its inconsistent speed and slow]



rather than wasting my-time explaining,go read the IGN on Mass effect/GTA4 Lag,and pop-ups



what a Headache...

"Link ?...."



You're the one who made the claim, therefore it's for you to provide a link which says Halo uses Renderware. The fact is, this is an internet myth, because it has never been stated by either Bungie or Criterion, the creators of Renderware. Hence lists of Renderware powered games over the years have NEVER included the Halo series, i.e.



http://www.answers.com/topic/renderware



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RenderWare



In interviews I've read from Bungie since before the first Halo was released, they've spoken about their in-house game engine, not the use of a third party game engine, modified or not.

u r one hell of a dumbass. And what the hell r u talking about.



"the fact is that the gameplay doesnt look like the trailer"



For what game? the E3 07 trailer of killzone 2 was gameplay. STFU

KZ 2 is much improved from the 1st trailer. Warhawk on the other hand, has been coming out for over 12 months now, However the graphics and just the overall look of the game do not impress me. It looks like they enhanced a PS2 title and crossed it over to the PS3. I'm still looking forward for a PS3 title that holds the graphics, feel and overall look of Gears of War. I hate M$ but damn that game was graphically innovative!

i forgot that gears of war is porting over to pc which is going to have more chapters and whatnot. man i wish halo 1 and 2 didnt port over to pc. that probably means the game that i think about when i stick the controller up my ass (halo 2 hd) is probably going to port on pc as well. man... sorry sony fans, i guess i really am a dumb ass.

FFS you can go on all day about the game \ababbaba

specs abbababa



sony would have had the game running off a dev

kit ffs with 2x the ram of stock ps3 just to start and whats not to say ?

that 2 3 4 dev kits are not link to make it run smooth as hell in 1080p or Trip out dev kit you never know with them .

SO stfu when get to play it on your ! ps3 then comment

The PS3 supposedly already surpassed Gears with the UT3 demo released a while ago. But for sure, no retail PS3 game has done it, but I guess what matters is that the graphics bar set by Gears is kind of a thing of the past(probably for both systems).

ps3 theoreticaly CAN do pre-renderer quality graphics

utilizing all seven cores of the cpu, a bit slowly though,but game developers can surpass that with "clever" coding.

how cool is that?

You really need to get laid (and your Mom doesn't count!)

i have gow and it does not have the same graphics as killzone. killzonee eats gears for breakfast.

but, you need a 360 elite and it isnt true high def.

gears looks great and its fun but u will see better on 360 and ps3 but killzones graphics are better

the 360 fanboys are comin!!!the 360 fanboys are comin!!!the 360 fanboys are comin!!!

lol. i admit . im a ps3 fanboy my self.

yeah thats true. no 60 fps on 1080p for 360...

why do you guys even reply to this guy, hes just posted here to stir things up.

Well well well, Sony's alleged "Halo Killer" eh? If this is the same team who brought the first Killzone then this game will be crap. Other than the graphics (which are pretty good) i dont know what there is to be excited about, the gameplay in the first killzone was hard, choppy, and uneven. What makes you think the gameplay in Killzone 2 will be any better. What is online play be like? what about splitscreen multiplayer or coop? How about downloadable content? If Guitar Hero III was a Playstation exclusive it would be more popular than this.



And for you fools who think Halo 3 is crap well your just a plain ignoramous.



After taking an extensive look at Halo 3 I must say the graphics have been given a complete overhaul, much better textures, lighting, god ray's, water effects are "holy crap, look at that!" good, a lot more things are destructible this time around ( the bigger covanent ships, the covenant walker ), realistic debree is everywhere. The music is played in such a way that the awesome blood pumping song's wont stop if you take too long. More vehicles, The online play was top notch in the Beta, with you being able to save clips and watch them to see how much ass you kicked.



In the Halo 3 you can save your video (up to 100), watch it from any prospective, change the camera angle, slow down time, speed time up, and all kinds of other cool techniques. You also have the ability to take your own screenshots (up to 50) and swap movies back and forth from your friends online.



you can veto the first map/gametype that pops up in multiplayer matches which is very useful if you hate the map or gametype, In the Beta there was little lag, and always people online (PS3 owners will be lucky to find 3 million total online users for Killzone, us Xbox owners will easily have 6 million people online and probably close to 1 million people online everyday.



And as far as universes go Halo has a much more diverse and well structred universe when compared to Killzones destoryed theme.



I look at Halo 3 and see a champion, and besides which do you think will be more popular for Major League Gamers? The first Killzone didnt beat Halo 2. If your wondering why Xbox360 fans are on your forums ruining your fun is...well...because we have you guys in our forums.

Seeing as how it's the most popular video game site, using it to compare video game "hotness" is logical.



http://www.ign.com/



Killzone 2: #8, Halo 3: #1. 'Nuff said



Just so no one can say anything, here's the second most popular game site:



http://www.gamespot.com/



Killzone 2: Not in the top 10, Halo 3: #1. Again, 'nuff said

resistance wasn't that bad and it was basically the exact same as halo1 or halo 2 except with sick graphics.



yeah halo 1 was like the best game ever, halo 2 was good but the same story line and i presume halo 3 is going to be very similar.



i don't have an xbox but i have clocked halo 1 and halo 2 and they are pretty much the same which is good but a bit repetitive.



Microsoft is getting all the exclusives which is gay for the ps3 but it has only been out for like 5 months and resistance was just as good graphics as most xbox games but had better textures.



i will look forward to playing halo 3 but it better have some new stuff. oh yeah and the reason there are so many jumps and comments on halo 3 is because it has every xbox fan behind it and we all know that there are like a billion xbox fans.

I agree with lots of things that Player97 is saying.Why is player97 schooling all of you guys in this discussion, and he isn't even being a fanboy. Just shows how much some of you fanboys know about both consoles.

Only person you pwned is yourself buddy



I agree with AoxomamoxoA, why do some of you care what other people like to play? How does it affect you at all? Do you have that little of a life that you have to tell people (on the Internet no less) that they are stupid or lesser than you because they play a game that is arguably better than what you play?



Besides, you're typically just wasting your time. I hate FF and think it's gotten to be same-old same-old, but I'm not going to waste my time telling a FF fan how much FF sucks because they don't care. So just keep it to yourself.

'Player 97' owned 'The_Regulator' over and over again.

that say that the ps3 games dont look as good as xbox 360 games....The xbox has been out for over a year and soon the ps3 will surpase the xbox. Just like in at launch some 360 games did look that great. This is not a sony fan boy talking just someone whos annoyed with all this arguing. I think the ps3 grahpics can only get better soon games will just as good if not better then that e3 05 trailer just watch.

...firstly, Xman is an idiot, but just the same...



"Basing my judgment purely on what I've seen in the real time trailer, i can honestly say that I think Killzone 2's graphics are hella better than Halo 3's. (Yes, I've played the beta..."



The purpose of the Halo 3 beta was to test the network code, game balance and identify bugs. It was not a graphics test, hence it was stripped down compared to the single player game (like the multplayer option of many games).



Read the previews of those who saw Halo 3 single player being played at E3. The conclusion of all is that it's a beautiful looking game, significantly better than what we saw in the beta, and better than the trailer shown this year (which doesn't really do the game justice).



As you said, it's all opinion, but I do think you should be comparing like with like, i.e. H3 single player vs Killzone 2 single player (which is difficult for us because of no H3 sp videos being released).

If you actually _read_ this thread, you'll see it's the PS3 fanboys who keep bringing up Halo 3 and how Killzone pwns it, with the first coming from The_Regulator (read his first post)! So of course gamers are going to respond, why shouldn't they?



And imo, Killzone 2K5 easily owns Killzone 2K7 BTW. ;)