E3: Sony's Peter Dille talks about the Xbox 360 |
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Gamasutra recently sat down with Peter Dille, Sony's senior vice president of marketing for PlayStation, during E3. Although Gamasutra hasn't released the whole interview yet, they have released a rather interesting comment by Dille on the PS3's edge over the Xbox 360.Dille's take on the Xbox 360 is that, unlike the PS3, it doesn't have a 10 year life cycle. Xbox 360 owners don't have a guarantee that games will still be released for their consoles within the next decade.
He cites the original Xbox for his argument: "They stopped the Xbox and I kind of feel for the guy that bought an Xbox the month before they said 'we're out of business, we're moving on.'" The PS3 however, will still be releasing marketable games even on its later years.
Dille admits that he gets a little emotional over the subject, stating his views rather strongly about the Xbox:
With the Xbox 360 you've got an inconsistent design, some have a hard drive, some don't, and none of them have Blu-Ray, and the HD-DVD will be out of business in a matter of months. Is this a 10 year product? And by the way, it doesn't even work. Do they want to be selling it for 10 years and refurbishing them all for 10 more years? I don't think that's a 10 year product. You could disagree with me, or they could disagree with me, but I'd put that up against the PS3 any day.
His views on the HD-DVD dying may be held off though, as HD-DVD players are rising against the Blu-Ray in Europe. Blu-Ray discs are still outselling HD-DVDs though. The next few months may still see a huge shift in trends though, and the responses in E3 will dictate a lot of those shifts.
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finally someone to voice the opinnions of me and many others everything he says up there is true.
what he said is right... but... like the nintendo fans... the 360 fans doesn't matter if the change every 1 year... they think is cool... but if sony did the same thing the sony fans gets angry.. look the psp... My 360 never get the 3 rings of dead.. but forza frozed... I get damage in my DVD game disc and the dvd player is horrible... anyway the only game I like in the 360 is gear of war....
I can't agree more than that, the 360 is a pile of S.H.I.T !!!
"HD-DVD will be out of business in a matter of months. Is this a 10 year product? And by the way, it doesn't even work. Do they want to be selling it for 10 years and refurbishing them all for 10 more years?"
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this is one of the *****s that made DAX leave the scene
he must die
kill him
reward offered
Kaz Hirai is also a target
aswell as all sony execs.
ok... i think 10 year is a bit too much i think that within a few years, 3 or 4, producing a ps3 will cost sony just a few bucks. Then again.... 10 years is just too much. If microsoft ever comes with a xbox 720 or nintendo with wii 2.0 in arround 5 years or so ps3 will need a ps4 or whatever to compete.
Do you guys think.....
>> Sony should have waited till Fall 08 to come out with the PS3.
+ Majority of the "consumer/gamers" have the technology in their homes to support "blue-ray" format.
- Microsoft could make thier money, we gamers could concentrate on gaming for the next few years...
or
Microsoft waited till Fall 06 to come out with XBox360.
+ Microsoft owners wouldnt have to deal with refurb units, hardward failure, "user friendly" games....etc.
- Sony would have made the PS2 w/built in HDrive, Launched PSNetwork (for free)....huh..saved money,and we gamers could, again, concentrate on gaming.
I agree with the first poster. I mean sure that 360 has a few RPGs here and there (Enchanted Arms, Lost Odyssey and The Last Remnant). But aside from that - it focuses mostly on FPS shooters.
PS3 on the other hand focuses on all genres. With the likes of;
Namco Bandai
- Tekken 6
Naughty Dog
- Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Polyphonic/SoNY
- Gran Turismo 5
Square Enix
- Final Fantasy XIII
- Final Fantasy Versus XIII
10 year is alot for the PS3. By then Xbox will probably run on directx 11. But it is a smart move because they can see how the new Nintendo and Microsoft system work. They can see the downside and upside of the system and use that to make the PS4. They only downside for PS3 10 years plan is the graphic.
just because a new PS gets released in a few years does not mean they will discontinue the ps3.
Just like the ps1 (12 yrs), and ps2 (going strong 8 yrs and still has another 2-3 yrs life left), the ps3 will have atleast 10 yrs.
What a pity. They have to resort to spreading even further the rumor that all 360s break down. But I guess since sony doesnt have ANY games worth talking about thats all they have left. Oh well, its not my problem anymore.
3-4 is just too short... at least 5... sony isn't nintendo with the gamecube... the PS2 still selling hardware and software as well... anyway I think 10 is too much.. not for the power but with the grafic card yes... but is a good way to say that the ps3 is a long term investment
my 360 has broken 4 times. im very angry about it. so i like the wait till fall 06.
so clean there brand new. if the have a little scratch on them im better off buying a new game then getting the game to work......and my wii and xbox 1 plays games perfect.
what about DOA as a fighter for 360 or deaf jam. and for action adventure what about tomb raider. eacing youve got PGR and Forza, import tuner challenge (which sucks). and for rpgs. well phantasy star universe?
Youre full of *****.... 360 has more genres covered then Ps3....
this holiday lineup is proof
PS3:
Uncharted
Lair
Rachet and Clank
Heavinly sword
WarHawk
Timed PS3 exclusive FPS delayed by the dev clearly to not compete with Halo 3:
Haze
UT3
360:
Ace Combat 6
Blue Dragon
Lost Oddessy
Halo 3
Mass Effect
Kingdom under Fire: Circle of Doom
Project Gotham Racing 4
Beautiful Katamari
BioShock
Virtua Fighter 5 (with exclusive features AND online)
Naruto: Rise of a Ninja
Bomberman Live (xboxlive arcade game, and bomberman games always sell like hotcakes)
Universe at War: Earth Assault
Fatal Inertia (a game PS3 fanboys praised, then dissed AFTER it was no longer for PS3)
Eternal Sonata
Splinter Cell: Conviction
Dance Dance Revolution Universe 2
Moto GP 07
Left 4 Dead
Dynasty Warriors: Gundam
Culdcept Saga
And these are simply Exclusives... so you dont know what youre talking about...
Youre full of *****.... 360 has more genres covered then Ps3.... this holiday lineup is proof
PS3: Uncharted
Lair
Rachet and Clank
Heavinly sword
WarHawk
Timed PS3 exclusive FPS delayed by the dev clearly to not compete with Halo 3:
Haze
UT3
360:
Ace Combat 6
Blue Dragon
Lost Oddessy
Halo 3
Mass Effect
Kingdom under Fire: Circle of Doom
Project Gotham Racing 4
Beautiful Katamari
BioShock
Virtua Fighter 5 (with exclusive features AND online) Naruto: Rise of a Ninja
Bomberman Live (xboxlive arcade game, and bomberman games always sell like hotcakes)
Universe at War: Earth Assault
Fatal Inertia (a game PS3 fanboys praised, then dissed AFTER it was no longer for PS3)
Eternal Sonata
Splinter Cell: Conviction
Dance Dance Revolution Universe 2
Moto GP 07
Left 4
Dead Dynasty Warriors: Gundam
Culdcept Saga
And these are simply Exclusives... so you dont know what youre talking about...
Then in 2008 Sony has:
FFXIII
FFXIII VS
MGS4
Killzone 2
Tekken 6
GT5
360 in 2008 has:
Huxley
Fable 2
Too Human
Exclusive GTA IV chapters
UT3
Cry On
Haze
Infinite Undiscovery
Alan Wake
Halo Wars
Magna Carta 2
Kingdom under Fire RTS sequal
FFXI 2
again these are only exclusives... so what were you saying again???
most of the games coming out are for the ps3 and 360 and the ones that aren't like killzone 2 wouldnt be possible on the 360
Games coming out for ps3
-assassin's creed, call of duty 4, warhawk, lair, Uncharted, GTA IV, metal gear solid 4, unreal tournament III, Playstion home, ratchet and clank: tools of destruction.......(too many to list)
EVERYTHING he said up there was true and everything you said AoxomamoxoA......wasnt
and if you look carefully youll only notice 2 FPS in the 07 holiday lineup, and only 3 in 08 Lineup... not to mention the 360 has WAY more rpgs then PS3....
The thing i dont get is how microsoft can be so greedy by sucking every last dollar out of their customers pockets and not deliver 110%.
Microsoft:
the xbox was released in 2001 with xbox live in 2002 that cost 60$$ a year. Four years later a frown is put on most xbox owners as they feal they wasted their money on theyre xbox+games+xbox live, when the 360 came out
And the majority of games on PS3 are ALSO on 360 so whats your point... why dont you try only listing PS3 games that wont appear on 360....
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^
the 360+plus still 60$ a year xbox live+HDDVD didnt make the ps3 look like a bad deal after all.
one year later more 360 owners are mad because an ELITE model comes out. which makes owners wishing they waited just a little longer to get a 360.
Around the same time microsoft ftops making games for the first xbox giving it less than five years. (making more people mad)
Now there are reports of 25% faliure rate of 360 after they bought the HDDVD and whatnot(making more people mad)
So it seems microsoft doesnt care about the customers satisfaction when stop with the first xbox to save money and charge 60$ a year for xbox live and not include the HDDVD in the actual system.
Now Sony is coming up on 8 YEARS!! with the ps2 and is still going strong. And the ps3 online service IS FREE and has a bluray player BUILT IN and is releasing Playstion home which is also FREE
the ps3 hasnt been out a year yet and has dropped its price somthing the 360 hasnt done after a year and a half (they want to make even more money)
So look at sony and look at microsoft, sony seems to care a little more about "customer satisfaction"
but hey if the point of living is making money microsoft must be doing pretty good. "isnt that right mr.gates"
Thats amazing.. because how did ppl waste money when they knew 360 was coming, and still own the things they bought... AND can play most of that stuff on 360??? Live account transfers, most games transfer.. so what are you blabbing about?
xbox live is not $60 you moron.....
And xboxlive is FAR superior to Playstation network... ill take a unified system anyday over sloppy BS...
he said nothing about a holiday lineup.....
If you wanted to go for exclsuives an more variety here we go....
FPS Shooter:
UT3(exclusives mods which are hugge plus timed)
Haze (timed exclsuive)
Time Crisis 4
Killzone 2
3rdPS shooters:
The Getaway
Stranglehold (exclusive content Movie)
Socom Confrontation
Warhawk
Action Adventure:
Lair
Uncharted Drakes Fortune
Metal Gear solid 4
Ratchet and Clank
Daxter
Quantum Dream exclusives ps3 title
Heavy Rain
Heavenly Sword
Sports:
NBA 08
MLN 08(best baseball sim available)
Racing:
Gran Turismo(best looking/playign racing sim)
Wipeout Pulse(i really never liked wipeout)
Rpg:
FF13
FFvs13
Monster Hunter 3(an underrated game)
The Agency (mmo)
New exclusive NCsoft (mmo)
2 other MMo announced by sony with the agency
Untitled MMO by Square Enix
So as you see after doing a quick 5 min search sony has more then what you have mentioned.... And has more titles in spread throughout its categories.
You mentioned 21 "exclusives" while i only counted 19 exclusives. Motogp07 i can purchase for ps2 and play it and i have no idea where you got Dynasty WArriors as an exclusive from since its been out on the ps3 in japan for months already and will be arriving same time as the 360 version. Dont get me wrong i lvoe both consoles and i think they both have solid lineups just this E3 sony wins hands down. also im not sure but i believe ace combat is a timed exclsuive for 360 i could be wrong though well their you go compare the list considering all the titles i mentioned for ps3 are either exclusive or timed exclsuive or have extra content.
why say they are exlcusives when FFxi 2 will most def goto pc and ps3, halo wars is on pc alan wake is on pc UT3 is on ps3 1st?? damn i hate fanboys look at both sides with open eyes and you will see that both will have their great game and sony iwill def have more titles then that announced for 08. They said i beleived expect 80 new ps3 titles by the end of year(meaning march i believe) have any titles been announced to come out between now and 08 that would add upto 80???? no they will come slowly just relax then make your opinion later and stop being a fanboy its not getting you any where
sloppy bs??? have you tried this "sloppy bs" if not dont talk id say xbox lvie has the upper hand considering its unified.... but afetr home sony will have more features and both systems will be evened out in quality..... in xbox lvie i get 0 lag perfect gaming and retarded kids but mic on every 360 is always fun and easier communication..... PSnetwork i get no lag at all great gaming less communication :( and when home comes it will bring more features then xbox live.... so its a matter iof wat u prefer betetr communication or more media features.... atleast thats how i see it..
Ps3 fanbois, tell 360 owners how WE feel.
"more 360 owners are mad because an ELITE model comes out. which makes owners wishing they waited just a little longer to get a 360."
Umm....no, if I was really that upset I could just go sell my hard drive and upgrade for like $80.
"Around the same time microsoft ftops making games for the first xbox giving it less than five years. (making more people mad)"
No. And this sony guy saying the same thing is an idiot.
I DONT WANT MY SYSTEM TO LAST 10 YEARS. I was getting tired of the PS2 in late 04 - 05, the good games were staring to slow to a few titles a year, and it was time for a new system. I'm hoping that by next year E3 the next Xbox is being announced and comes out like two years after that, a five year lifespan is fine, especially considering the amount of new technology being released. The LATEST I would want to see the next xbox is late 2010/Early 11, and that's pushing it. A 10 year system is boring after a while.
And finally, get it through your head. 5mil+ people don't pay for live because it sucks. VF 5 didnt ship without online because the PSN was superior because it was free. How many games have had their online component stripped, or worse the, the game delayed to try to tweak the online to work on the PSn? Countless. Get it straight, XBOX LIVE IS WORTH THE CASH, if WE aren't complaining, why the hell are PS3 owners complaining?
This line was just stupid
"Do they want to be selling it for 10 years and refurbishing them all for 10 more years?"
MS has rectified the design flaw and is now manufacturing 360s with the fixed GPU heatsink. They also install the fixed GPU heatsink if you send your console in for repair. They will not be refurbishing 33% of consoles ten years down the line. Do people even review what these guys are supposed to go out and say? That one line made this guy look like a joke to me. They'll say anything to make the Xbox look bad.
Then again, what else is new?
The First guy cleary made a stupid statement about 360 being all about FPS' and the second guy clearly showed how wrong his dumb statement was. And then You come along and relist most of teh PS3 games he already listed... BRAVO dork.. and then go on to list sports game that are inderior to what EA offers... KUDOS to you...
And that untitled MMORPG from SE is NOT listed as PS3 as of yet... It is listed as 360 and PC, and a PS3 may come in the future, and thats directly from the dev.
You list a bunch of games that wont even see the light of day this year... how desperate of you...
Who CARES its on PC.... PC and consoles dont even compete with each other and has nothing to do with this conversation... UT3 and Haze were delayed to NOT compete with Halo 3. Any FPS on 360 released this holiday season is Dead on arrival, and its smart business to delay other FPS' til after the window. Too bad you're too stupid to grasp why the Haze team did what they did. It makes NO sense to release haze on 360 next to Halo 3. Halo 3 hype alone gauratees superiority this holiday. Sony will ahev more?? So what 360 will have more... whats your point? We are talking about what is LISTED already, and he made that list to show how ridiculous the original guys comment was about ONLY FPS on 360. They aid 80 titles... NOT 80 EXCLUSIVES... this list was CLEARLY about exclusives... why boteh rlisting games that will be on both platforms at the same time? Why do you think he didnt list DMC4, RE5 or anything else that has the same game with teh same version on both platforms??
God you're stupid.
Oh please... I have all 3 consoles jackass. I dont gove a flying *** about "home"... it STILL wont bring unified content across every game down to features and menus. Home is a cheap knock off of second life get over yourself. LEss communication is a good thing? If some dumb kid is being stupid he is one button press away from being muted, then i can get back to everyone else. How retarded. Fanboys are stupid i Swear...Even with home, PS3 network will have less GAMING features online across all games...not to mention LESS PS3 games are online then xbox360. AND less PS3 users are online then 360 users... Youre point is moot.
Thanks for trying to stretch out your list by inluding titles from 2008 and 2009.
I made my list because that dumbass lied about xbox being all about FPS, when only 2 out of all the other exclusives are FPS. I choce not to list multi platform games as well unless it had a SIGNIFICANT difference. And no extra movie content on Stranglehold does not count...i left out 2008 and 2009 content to show that even this holiday alone 360 had more genre variety then PS3s lineup. Good job in missing the point idiot.
Why dont you think before you open your fanboy trap...
PC version dont COUNT when talking about CONSOLE exclusivity.... they dont compete in the same market and Dont compete directly with each other. Which is WHY MS has "games for Windows" MS has its own system as WELL as games running on its windows operating system... not the same market.
And as of NOW the next FF game online or even if it isnt CALLED FF, is not listed for PS3. Its being created using the 360 dev tools, and SE has already shown a tech demo running on 360 hardware. And the head devloper has said in the "furture" they may port a PS3 version but as of yet it is not determined. So until then, save your speculation. and again... i coudl have easily listed 80 PS3 titles... but 95% of those 80 games coming this year are Multiplatform also on 360 so i didnt bother... those 80 games are not exclusives. So unless you can start listing more high profile exclusives that ppl care about gtfo. Why should i have to wait slowly when i can play on my system that delivers NOW?? Only fanboys buy systems because of "potential" next year... Ill get my PS3 when MGS4 FFXIII come out, the only reason i havnt bought one is because the games are lame right now... and ill just play Heavinly sword on my friends PS3 in the meantime.
Why the hell do you think VF on PS3 didnt happen???
Its because the PS3 network is just not up to snuff with xboxlive. Sega swore that because of networks VF online was IMPOSSIBLE. So they didnt make it online. THEN when they played with Xboxlive they discovered it WAS possible, because of Ms powerful network. PS3's free for all newtork doesnt work for every dev...MS unified network takes the extra needed work out of the ghands of Devs, allowing them to focus on games, not network infrastructure...its a unified system that is a measely $50 a YEAR... AND it has WAY more online games on it then PS3 does, AND way more download content for its games.. Home does not offer a unified across the board system, for all its games. Home is l;ike that guy above said... a shallow Second life imitation, that excels in socializing.. you can do the SAME exact thing on 360 without the 3D lobby except for a few features that dont matter, liek watching moves at a friends room etc etc... who cares... its all about the games... if I want a second life.. i go PLAY second life...
and i know xbox just isnt fps... but mostly all of their AAA titles are fps....and how did i list titles he already listed????? he listed 8 ps3 games..... theirs alot more then 8 ps3 exclusives... and EA has better sport???? i play sports every day and purchase every baseball/ basketball titles available..... sony sport has the BEST by FAR base franchise around..... EA hasnt made a baseball game since mvp 05 because their terrible at it... and as far as im concerned EA makes *****ty baseball games which are about + in gameplay/value to sony's basket ball games so i give bball to 2k.... and 1 looks whos calling who a dork??? your getting affended by someone post!! :) well anyways you said "You list a bunch of games that wont even see the light of day this year" um are you forgetting this year is still getting some AAA ps3 exclsuives and also some AAA third party titles and most of these sony exclsuives come out early 08?? you make it sound as if i listed games that will be released in 2010.... and im not desperate to find titles i get the best of both worls unlike you i own 2 360's and a ps3 (1 is mine other is my brothers) so why would i be "desperate" to find titles? i just hate fanboyism and as i said both have crazy good line ups but its what 1 prefers.... look at most 360 games which everyone has their eye on and were the show of MS e3.... Halo... Cod4... Mass Effect... Bio shock... those are their like top 4 awaited games for this year
i compeltely udnerstand your points... just your the ones looking from a fanboy type of view. im clearly just showing people that titles are coming... its a matter of time. Ms didnt launch have a superb killer line up alittle after it just launched. Its all about someones opinion. Both title will have their killer apps and right now sony may be behind but you cant just give bias views on games you dont know what titles sony may announce within this month or next months etc that they have been working on same with MS.... and i heard the reason UT3 wasnt coming to 360 with ps3 and pc at the same time was due to th fact that they wanted to work something out with MS because Ms wouldnt allow mods?? idk if thats true but i read that some where
well i did ut a :( after less communication.... which + bad thing. Home i think will be a interesting way to add replay value to the system as achievements did for the xbox. i know the unified network is better and theirs no denying that i just think home will have a better sharing of media between users which can be pretty interesting. As for content and communication live wins hands down +do you actually like your wii?? id go F--king crazy with those damn wii codes..
then shut the hell up, and taking the post out of the context it was written in. You just made your earlier posts pointless, because you clearly didnt understand what was said teh first time... so who cares....
No you clearly Missed the points, or else you wouldnt have posted a bunch of irrelevant crap. It was a DIRECT post aimed at someone who said it was ALL FPS.. THAt was the point of this lists....something you missed. Fanboy had nothing to do with it, because the lists arent OPINIONs they were FACTS about teh exclusive linups coming for 2007 and then for 2008...
Theres a difference between quality online GAMING network and an interesting socializing concept. HOME is like Second Life + access to arranging PS3 session with certain online games, and added multimedia sharing.
Once again you missed the point because i made a DIRECT post against someone who went into a rant about how MS was ripping ppl off, and ranted about an incorrect price, and against soemone who cant understand why you pay a small fee for a servoce NO ONE ELSE provides. Home doesnt help to unify gaming on Ps3. Doesnt provide devs the extra tools they need to make online gaming easier... hence what happened with VF... Home IS an interesting social concept, but it STILL is not on PAR with xbox live service.
I dont care what anyone from sony says or any of you sony fanboys. The ps3 will not last 10 years. It may get games for 10 years but no way will it not be superceded by a new sony console.
Home? Yawn don't give a crap. an online community like that just isn't what I want on a console.
And I got a ps3 so I'm fully justified to say that.
XBOX is 100% worth it. The ONLY reason for sony to make it free was for KUDOS.
You are all retarded and you ***** at Sony, you are all complete fanboys... As for the 360 FPS comment, there is some truth to it as its no.1 selling franchise is an FPS. You go on about 360 having a huge line of exclusives? They are all *****ing *****, Dont even think about saying how awsome Halo is, its the most average, over rated FPS on the market. The PS3 exclusives are actually worth buying and they look good, 360 just tried to grab all the exclusives it can so they can say "we are so great, we have 100 exclusives, sorry to tell you that 98 of them are *****ing dire". Dont beleive me? Go check out comments left on E3 videos (gametrailers) and see what people think about 360 and PS3 exclusives... SO STFU YOU FAN BOY MOTHER *****ERS!!!
the 360 has more and better games!! besides all M$ has to do is releases halo3 and drop the price cute and sony will be out of bizness!!
The PS3 Rules!!
I agree, that's what I like about Sony consoles, that they're still supported even if the next generation console is out. That's exactly why I chose the PlayStation 3 over any other console, and plus, the fact that Sony has the best of First Party titles out of all the three. People who don't have a PlayStation 3 could criticize Blu-Ray, and say it's not needed, but if you look at the hardware in the long run, it's more than strong enough to give you the best gaming for years.
i think he means they wasted their money on the xbox only owned it for 3 or 4 years then saw that it was going to be phased out.
put more simple
xbox:only 4 yrs and costing xbox live and no more games
xbox 360: no hddvd built in red ring of death and costing xbox live
ps2: 8 yrs no major problems ever still making games
ps3: bluray built in, no death rate, Free online play and free playstation home
Youre so full of crap.
How soon people forget the problems of PS1 and the "play upside down" fiasco.. not to mention the dreaded PS2 blu disk read error that wasnt fixed until a class action lawsuit was brought against Sony.... both PS1 and PS2 dealt with class action lawsuits... get off it
Peter Dille is a trash talking douche. He's worse than Phil Harrison. Read his interview at this link:
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story+14679
Check out this dumbass quote:
"With the Xbox 360 you%u2019ve got an inconsistent design, some have a hard drive, some don%u2019t, and none of them have Blu-Ray, and the HD-DVD will be out of business in a matter of months. Is this a 10 year product? And by the way, it doesn%u2019t even work. Do they want to be selling it for 10 years and refurbishing them all for 10 more years? I don%u2019t think that%u2019s a 10 year product. You could disagree with me, or they could disagree with me, but I%u2019d put that up against the PS3 any day."
#1 Choosing if you want to spend half as much without a hard drive is a good thing if you want, not "inconsistent #2 Microsoft doesn't want your blu ray you're trying to force onto everyone and profit off of. #3 Your profit motivated opinion of blu ray you're shoving off as fact is irrelevant.
#4. The PS3's will never see the success of the PS1 or PS2 and never have the same 7 year life cycle they did (and you know it.) #5. BS it doesn't even work. That's the message you want to spread because you are on the losing side this time. If it doesn't work it gets fixed. MS said new consoles would be fixed to prevent future problems. My console lasted the last 16 months with no problems. The 360 isn't a 10 year product, but neither is your PS3. The hardware will be obsolete probably the same time as the 360, not later.
Strong, idiotic words from a senior VP of marketing. I thought those words came from a 15 year old fantard. You know sony's in trouble when they make desperate comments like that. This is no doubt in response to losing exclusives like MGS4 that were key to any chance of PS3 survival.
You're both morons and full of s*it. Go sit in a corner watching protien folding while waiting for decent PS3 games to be released during it's "10 year lifespan."
There's no reason to like this Peter Dille idiot, but he's just marketing.
Kaz probably got the lawyers on Dark Alex. I hate sony's leadership. Sony's massive layoffs are in the wrong departments. Replace them with somebody that knows business ethics.
looks who is desprate!!
Ur the one defending the 360 with every little thing can come up with!
HOME seems like it could do some things right, but if I don't use Myspace on my PC I'm not gonna use it on my game console
Well it is fact that Xbox360 have a 33% breakdown rate.
Lets see, you dont want an online community.. then.. how do you call your precious Live ?
Looks pretty much like a community.. only thing sony did with theirs is that they gave it a nicer look.
WHO EVER COMES OUT WITH A NEW SYSTEM 1ST AUTOMATICALLY LOSES THE CONSOLE WAR
wii 2.0????
more like wii wii.
Wow what a blind little Xbot. Go jump off a building.
So your saying the ps2 lost when it came out in 2000?
You're sounding more and more like Mr. Raving Lunatic Ballmer himself, give it up already.
And btw, thanks for telling us your real age.
Haha, learn how to spell, and, dream on! Halo is a POS and you know it. It's about time MS packed up and ended its flawed crusade into the console business. They will, sooner or later, and you will be left sh+t out of luck with your defective xbox. Go sell it while you still can. SONY out of business? F*cking retard.
No, the Dreamcast lost that round.
^^^Oyama LOL. He's right. go ***** yourself anal, while sucking Bill Gates *****.
"#1 Choosing if you want to spend half as much without a hard drive is a good thing if you want, not "inconsistent"
-It's inconsistent because the developers have to cater to two different crowds with one game. Those with, and those without, HDD's. Sony doesn't make the developers have to do that.
"#2 Microsoft doesn't want your blu ray you're trying to force onto everyone and profit off of."
-Microsoft is the King of the "each sold seperately" business model that gouges consumers that want a complete media experience. They offer ONLY proprietary goods that cost an arm and a leg, and eventually end up costing more than the PS3. Blu-Ray may be forced, but the benefits far outweigh that as a downside.
"#3 Your profit motivated opinion of blu ray you're shoving off as fact is irrelevant."
-Funny, this is MS's motto. "Profit first, quality second." You're trying to accuse Sony for a profit motivated opinion but leave Microsoft out of that? HAHAHAHA!!!! How naive are you?
"#4. The PS3's will never see the success of the PS1 or PS2 and never have the same 7 year life cycle they did (and you know it.)"
-A lot can happen in 10 years, you never know. And of course it can have the same life cycle. Provide a reason why it can't.
"#5. BS it doesn't even work. That's the message you want to spread because you are on the losing side this time. If it doesn't work it gets fixed. MS said new consoles would be fixed to prevent future problems."
-Over 3 million defective consoles says that it doesn't work. MS said that the Elite had solved the problem of the RROD's and it didn't. So why should we trust them to fix it now? Because they threw $1 billion into the warranty and repairs? They need that much just to catch up to the repairs they have to make now, they won't have any more money from that budget to improve it. Only a complete recall will solve this problem. At least Sony improved its console, MS made the quality of the Circle inferior to the Original Xbox and even the PS2.
"The 360 isn't a 10 year product, but neither is your PS3. The hardware will be obsolete probably the same time as the 360, not later."
-The Circle isn't even a 5 year product, God knows that the original wasn't. And what makes you think the technology will be obsolete. Cell is stronger than anything out in the world. It was designed to withstand the fast pace of technology. Technology can't surpass it right now and in 10 years it will only have caught up with it. The worlds most powerful super computer uses a Cell chip. And super computers are built to last. So, care to provide any concrete evidence to support your ridiculous claim?
"Strong, idiotic words from a senior VP of marketing. I thought those words came from a 15 year old fantard. You know sony's in trouble when they make desperate comments like that. This is no doubt in response to losing exclusives like MGS4 that were key to any chance of PS3 survival."
-First, where did you see that Sony lost MGS4 to the Circle? Nowhere? Thought so. Second, Common Sense isn't so common, as you have just proven with your post.
Ok, ill keep this as short as possible. I read on these forums a lot to jus get the basic new going on although i dont post. Now on to my point i admit is very entertaining to see u get smashed on time and time again you need to learn when to stop. So if you would very kindly lock up ur MS fanboyism and stop bashing sony and the PS3 since this is after all the "PS3 section" it would be much appreciated or even better u could shut the hell up and go away im sure many people would agree with me on this but jus to make tis post a lil bit on topic i as a "both console owner"completely agree with what Dille is saying up there the 360s bad...well flawed design and that blu ray will beat out HD-DVD i think the months thing is shooting a lil too high but it will eventually
Wow! Where to start?
#1. "It's inconsistent because the developers have to cater to two different crowds with one game. Those with, and those without, HDD's. Sony doesn't make the developers have to do that."
Why do you care how much work developers have to do? It's obviously not hurting their game making on the 360.
#2. "Microsoft is the King of the "each sold seperately" business model that gouges consumers that want a complete media experience. They offer ONLY proprietary goods that cost an arm and a leg, and eventually end up costing more than the PS3. Blu-Ray may be forced, but the benefits far outweigh that as a downside."
Another dumbass PS3 fantard response that doesn't really apply. I don't have a HD movie player and I don't want one. $ony convinced you you need one. Blu ray exists so sony gets most of the money off its development, not a large group of companies like with DVD. They're doing whatever they can to force HD-DVD out of business and are even being investigated by the European Union for shady business tactics. Peter Dille even says it will be out of business in a couple months which is a complete lie. He doesn't bother to say it's his opinion, because he's a scum sucking low life. PS3 fantards will believe it though, just like anything one of those $ony corporate morons say.
#4 "-A lot can happen in 10 years, you never know. And of course it can have the same life cycle. Provide a reason why it can't."
THE PS3 WILL NOT LAST 10 YEARS!!! That was just a clever marketing gimminck by $ony! Hmmm what to do with an expensive console with no games that nobody is buying that was sacraficed to try to make sure blu ray succeeds? Let's make it seem like a good investment! Sony didn't support the PS1 or PS2 for 10 years so why would they support the PS3? The cell processor is all hype and is just a single core power PC with some SPUs tacked on. The GPU sucks compared to both the 360's and PC graphics cards and relies on the SPUs to make up for that! It's hardware is already getting obsolete. Wow next gen 50gb storage with a soon to obsolete CPU/GPU combo. Have fun enjoying an obsolete game system for the next 10 years. Do you want to keep playing and buying PS2 games for another 3 years? That's what it will be like. MARKETING GIMMICK! LOOK IT UP! Sony won't support an unprofitable console for long, and the PS3 has all the makings of an unprofitable console. High manufacturing price, few games, and few sales. When a PS4 is on the horizon, they'll be looking to get rid of it most likely.
#5 Peter Dille is a pure lying fanboy by saying the 360 doesn't even work, but aparently quite a few work, and for a long time. There are problems, but they will be fixed over time. Microsoft is a company that will stand behind the product unlike sony and fix it, not just during the initial warranty period. The warranty went from 90 days to 1 year to 3 years. Everyone that paid for 3 red light repairs was reimbursed. Sony burned quite a few people with PS2s, it just wasn't as widespread and they never admitted to it or offered to fix it. Helped their 120 million PS2 sales though.
"-The Circle isn't even a 5 year product, God knows that the original wasn't. And what makes you think the technology will be obsolete. Cell is stronger than anything out in the world. It was designed to withstand the fast pace of technology. Technology can't surpass it right now and in 10 years it will only have caught up with it. The worlds most powerful super computer uses a Cell chip. And super computers are built to last. So, care to provide any concrete evidence to support your ridiculous claim?"
Woah buddy! While the XBOX 360 console itself may not last 5 years a lot of the time, you send it back, get an upgraded one free, and get to keep using it for 5 years, what's the difference? It was only a temporary situation while the kinks got worked out. The XBOX 360 actually sold unlike the PS3, so it was harder to get all the consoles fixed and took longer. So what, MS made a mistake, and now they are paying
Your arrogance knows no limit...
To start this off, Peter Dille's comments were without some merit, but he does make some interesting points, which I both agree and disagree with to a level...
You asked, %u201Cwhy do you care how much work developers have to do?%u201D
The less work the developers have to do, the more games that can come out. The fact that the core DOES NOT have a hard drive makes a difference. There are now 3 skews to develop for each 360 system (although really there's no difference from the premium and the elite). Nonetheless, if you want the 360 to continue to not have any effect on game making, the inclusion of such a hard drive would help to minimize such a threat. On that note, NOTHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT PEOPLE. Why do we continue to argue about this same old crap? The core has been out, now they have to develop for both hard drives equipped and unequipped systems. It%u2019s just a fact...
Onto, "Another dumbass PS3 fantard response that doesn't really apply. I don't have a HD movie player and I don't want one."
You%u2019re showing the same immaturity you claim anyone in contrast to your opinion has. Why are you so narrow on anyone's criticism? It's ridiculous, seriously. The fact that Blu Ray is built in is an option that the BUYER considers when buying the PS3 (whether affected by marketing ploys taken by either next gen video/audio format). The fact that Xbox360 gives players a choice of the hardware they want for their system, the choice for a Blu Ray player should be an option. Microsoft is showing the same lackluster exclusivity of HD DVD as Sony shows for the Blu Ray. If Microsoft truly cared about choice, Blu Ray would be an option. Sony didn%u2019t promote that for their console, but Microsoft chose to, so back up your own choice of words Microsoft. You may not want the next gen option, but many do enjoy it. Choosing the 360 in its current state doesn%u2019t give you the choice, for which they promote, to use your console as not only a next gen game system, but a next gen media center, which both companies would like you to believe you can have.
%u201CThe cell processor is all hype and is just a single core power PC with some SPUs tacked on. The GPU sucks compared to both the 360's and PC graphics cards and relies on the SPUs to make up for that! It's hardware is already getting obsolete. Wow next gen 50gb storage with a soon to obsolete CPU/GPU combo.%u201D
You%u2019re an imbecile. The fact that you tacked on %u201CPC Graphic Cards%u201D shows that you simply don%u2019t understand why people buy into console games in the first place. It%u2019s a proprietary setup that developers and users know will work and perform as developers intended it to. So what if PC graphic cards exceed the power of the PS3. So do PC Graphic cards exceed the power of the 360. It%u2019s a totally different subject. It%u2019s about the investment into a cost worthy piece of hardware which both systems provide adequately. Lord, use your head Mr. Common Sense%u2026 So what about graphical power, as far as consumers are concerned, its about how good it can look on their current displays at home. Consumers simply agree, they both look next gen. Btw, it%u2019s a next gen 60 GB or 80 GB option built in, with a replaceable 2.5%u201D drive that will reach into the terabyte capacity and be marketably affordable within the next 2 or 3 years. Last time I checked, I couldn%u2019t go to any retail or online store where hard drives are sold and by one for my 360%u2026I%u2019ve got to buy one that%u2019s in a proprietary shell.
%u201CThe warranty went from 90 days to 1 year to 3 years. Everyone that paid for 3 red light repairs was reimbursed. Sony burned quite a few people with PS2s, it just wasn't as widespread and they never admitted to it or offered to fix it. Helped their 120 million PS2 sales though.%u201D
Actually, Sony did offer to fix ps2 sku%u2019s(you had to ask), of which I gladly sent mine in to fix a lens issue after the warranty period was up. I might have had to s
Dude, you call yourself Mr Common Sense and have no idea what that means.
"Why do you care how much work developers have to do? It's obviously not hurting their game making on the 360."
-A) More work means more money spent, which will have to be made up for somehow. B) More work means more time needed and a longer wait. It's not that difficult to understand, unless you're paid by MS, then you wouldn't understand.
"I don't have a HD movie player and I don't want one. $ony convinced you you need one."
-The calling card of a Circle fanboy. The absolute arrogance to believe that just because YOU don't want an HD movie player, obviously no one else does. Idiot.
"Blu ray exists so sony gets most of the money off its development, not a large group of companies like with DVD."
-And your tune would change of it were MS that were profiting off of a next-gen format the way Sony is. Double standards, another common weapon used by the Circle fanboy.
"They're doing whatever they can to force HD-DVD out of business and are even being investigated by the European Union for shady business tactics."
-What are they doing? Blu-Ray movies are merely marketed the EXACT same way as DVD's. There are no deals going on. Blu-Ray is simply what the consumers believe to be the better choice. Oh, wait, you're just upset that Blu-Ray is beating HD-DVD and that MS will have wasted all their money on something that's going to be off the market really soon. Oh, and provide a link to prove that Sony is being investigated. I don't want to hear about your "friend that works for the company told me it" garbage.
"Peter Dille even says it will be out of business in a couple months which is a complete lie. He doesn't bother to say it's his opinion, because he's a scum sucking low life. PS3 fantards will believe it though, just like anything one of those $ony corporate morons say."
-He's not off by too much. He's simply looking at market trends and Blu-Ray movies are outselling HD-DVD movies 2:1 globally. That's pure fact, and Toshiba has even conceded a few times in different promotional areas. And you want to talk about corporate morons? How about EVERY M$ executive saying that the failure rate of the Circle was 3 to 5 percent? Yeah, their so trustworthy aren't they?
"That was just a clever marketing gimminck by $ony! Hmmm what to do with an expensive console with no games that nobody is buying that was sacraficed to try to make sure blu ray succeeds? Let's make it seem like a good investment!"
-So basically, you're saying that the PS3 won't last 10 years because of its less than stellar performance whilst only being 7 months old. Thanks for showing you don't know anything about technology, nor can you back up your claims. Contrary to what you think, opinion isn't fact.
"Peter Dille is a pure lying fanboy by saying the 360 doesn't even work, but aparently quite a few work, and for a long time."
-Over 3 million don't work after 1 year, sometimes less. That's a fact.
"There are problems, but they will be fixed over time. Microsoft is a company that will stand behind the product unlike sony and fix it, not just during the initial warranty period."
-There have been, and will always be, problems from day one. MS is focused on the RROD's, what about the disc scratching, what about the overheating issues, what about games causing the console to freeze (Forza anyone)? MS will stand by their product? Tell that to the original Xbox. You're accusing Sony of not fixing consoles after the warranty period and you're using MS as an example? Firstly, when Sony introduced a new SKU for the PS2, the issues were completely resolved. Unlike the Circle Elite which still RROD's. Second, although I personally have never had a PS2 break down, I know of several people who didn't have any problem getting a new PS2 quickly, easily, and for the first and last time. Third, what warranty period? MS keeps extending it because the Circle sucks. The risk of your console breaking down is simply to
Both you idiots got pwned by Mr. Common Sense! Your responses didn't make any sense and weren't even accurate at all!
Petter Dille called upon all PS3 owners to use their life savings to buy PS3s, games, and blu ray movies, then jump off a cliff since you'll no longer be needed. Go for it man!
This anouncment is as ridiculous as if Peter Moore from Microsoft said The PS3 will not have any games for the next 10 years. What are PS3 owners going to do, play PS2 games the whole time? The PS3 will fail in a couple months. Just being a total ass hole really.
Sony is just attacking and making up s*it. Totally unprofessional behavior for a company.
Does Toyota come out and say: "Dont buy a Ford, they don't even work?"
F*CK SONY AND THEIR "ASS HOLE SCANDALOUS TAKE EVERYTHING SCREW EVERYONE STYLE" BUSINESS PRACTICES!
The you have total dumb f*cks that believe EVERYTHING they say. So HD-DVD dead in september he says? MY ASS! I'll prove this peice of s*it is lying.
Peter Dille looks like some ass hole that would start s*it with you in a bar.
I would love to beat the living piss out of that peice of trash talking s*it. Did he even say anything truthful?
Why would you buy a $400. 360 when it might break down in a moth or two and microsoft said they would fix the problem. Well nothing was changed in the new elite mabe the HD graphics processor the hdd drive and the color no extra cooling fans they did change the fan so it was made less noise but still the same set up as the old 360, and theres already mutiple reports of three red lights, crashing, and freezing. Nice going microsoft. I do like the 360 but this is the whole reason why i dont like the 360........
while i was waiting for the ps3 to be released, ended up being the most expensive mistake i ever made,
first 360 had a defected hdd out of the box, returned that one and the one i got after that lasted 6 months, on every game i had it lagged big time, then eventually froze, 2 for 2 is enough for me, 100% failure rate, traded everything i had with it (console, hdd, 8 games, 2 controllers, hd-dvd,) just to get the ps3, nobody wanted it, feared the rrod,
ps3 is solid, not a single problem with any game, you can change the controller assigning at any time, instead of guessing or swapping, built in wifi, and yes blu ray, up to 50gbs of storage, not 9gbs, no more disc 1,2, or 3, and the fact that M$ had to pay $50 million just to get two chapters put on gta4 is bs, M$ rushed the launch of the 360 out of fear of the ps3 and there already regretting it, and its just going to get worse,
and yes, 360 has a solid tri-core processor, whoo.....? the ps3 is a dual core with 7 spe's, its a supercomputer all in its own, and thru updates its going to get 30 - 40% faster, and with it stomping 360's mid gen abilities already i cant wait to see what this thing can really do,
all the 360 is, is xbox vers. 1.5
its nice to have a dependable, reliable, beast like machine to entertain me,
60gb ps3 + $499
equivalent 360
20g + $399 elite + $480
wifi + $99
hd-dvd + $199 (blu ray has about 75% larger selection to chose from)
hdmi + N/A have to buy the more expensive elite
flash card reader + N/A
total + $797
sony + up front quality
M$ + ala cart P.O.S.s
F*CK M$ and there dumb@ss fanboys