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Thanks, Sony, Do We Get a Downgrader Next?

Posted Mar 14, 2006 at 7:00PM EST by QJ Staff

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fireworks are coolIf you look at the article above this, you will notice some very impressive (yet already done) features that Sony will (finally) add to the one and only PSP. Basically, Sony is blowing their horn with the release of some upcoming additions to their system software (firmware), including a Macromedia Flash Player, GPS Receiver, RSS Channel Support, PSP Camera, and PlayStation emulation support.

At first, my initial reaction was "Wow, that's cool!" However, upon closer inspection, I came to several conclusions, that most of these 'additions' have already been done by homebrew developers worldwide -- because they wanted it, and didn't want to wait. Going down the list of new features, I first noticed the GPS receiver. For those who don't recall, a wily programmer by the name of Art has created a homebrew GPS receiver hack and software for the PSP, written in Lua no doubt. Ok, it's been done, what's next? RSS Channel Support including internet radio? Oh cool, now I can check out some tunes from my favorite online sites. Then it struck me, Raf and Co. already have PSP Radio (which you should check out if you haven't already.) Next on the plate from Sony comes a Macromedia Flash player, which has been in hot demand for a very long time. For so long there was demand that in fact, a contest was held for homebrew programmers to create a Flash player for the PSP. While still a bit buggy, it does work with many Flash (.swf files), and can be improved upon. Lastly, Sony wants to have 'revolutionary' support, the ability to play games from your memory stick! (Albeit PlayStation games, which is great news indeed, but also under construction by PacManFan.)

Aside from the PSP Camera (which is very cool, but I am also curious on how it will be implemented), the history of homebrew brought me to the conclusion that Sony may very well be listening to the community. I only say this because the additions have already been accomplished by homebrew enthusiasts worldwide, who want to make the most of their money and do what they want to with it. The additions also just happen to be some of the very hot pieces of homebrew programming out there. My question to Sony is this: where is the downgrader? Ok, I joke.. I know Sony won't do that, but how about a homebrew friendly console: one that is blocked from the running of any piracy? Tough answer on how it could be done, but I'm sure you can find a way, right Sony? After all, we're sure you know there is a high demand for it, many people do enjoy playing Super Nintendo you know?


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# lolsMAIcrosoft 2006-03-15 03:17
and the cam was sorted out by Fluff during the development of PSIX p:



http://digi.online.sh.cn/images/2005-09/09/xin_4209020911121871438131.jpg



http://digi.online.sh.cn/images/2005-09/09/xin_410902091112734434330.jpg



maybe it would be nice if they add PMP support in fw3 too~ p; p; p; p;



(or at least full screen video which can be encoded by end users ~ .~);;'



looks nice anyways, but dont forget we get all of this thanks to the homebrewes [;

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# .cyanide 2006-03-15 03:52
you'd be naive to expect anything from sony.

yeah sure, theyre adding stuff.

but isnt it strange how everything is already done by the "hackers" they hate so much ?



sony can go to hell. they arent getting any of my money.

buying the psp was a mistake. if i could, id shove it up the sony ceo's ass.

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# NeroMaverick 2006-03-15 05:06
To be honest, i think 2.0 removed the piracy thing, no loaders, umd emulators, iso loading, everything of the such was gone (might not be forever tho)... that only left our most precious homebrew, emulators, video players, etc.



I think its really impossible to not pirate something if some sort of homebrew feature is included, but you can make it so you pirate less. im sure sony could figure it out tho, personally, if they allow certain homebrew on 3.0 or somthing, and its as good as having it on 1.5, i wont think twice about upgrading. My umd emulator is nice... but right now its only good for getting my 2.5 umds running on my 1.5. Give me 3.0 with homebrew, and the point becomes moot, games, and homebrew.



i just thought, one way of doing that would be to basically cut the power to the umd drive when in homebrew mode, that way it would be impossible to rip anything from the umd drive and the drive would also always think theres no game in it, thus making umd emu pointless. The psp would also have to completely dump the ram of itself whenever it went out of homebrew mode, to keep from stuff running in the background that could cause piracy.



i dunno, im no programmer, and not an expert on console security. but i do know it would be difficult to control. im all for homebrew on 3.0 tho :P (even tho it wont ever happen)

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# SONYthefirstWARLoRD 2006-03-15 06:15
basicly sony have done a *****ing good job of trying to cut down pirateing but no matter what they do someone somewhere will crack it with a big fuk you to sony at the same time NOTHING IS PERFECTLY UNCRACKABLE

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# You guys are fcking idiotsItaintrite 2006-03-15 06:24
If the GPS receiver has been done before, why isn't anybody using it? If the cam has been hacked, why haven't I seen any PSP with a cam attached? Simple. "hacked but not accessible". And Sony will MAKE it accessible. So stop this "Sony are just mimicking homebrewers" *****, cause even if you had a peanut for a brain, you'd know that this is GOOD for the consumers.



If Sony are basically upgrading on a homebrew idea, then why is it a bad thing? Doesn't this mean you won't need to use homebrews anymore? I mean, why use homebrew when you have the official softwares? And for free too. I think people who complain too much about not having homebrews are the ones who pirate games.



Also, I bet most of you here, if given the money, will run to Sony and purchase all their addons. So stop your bickering and shut up.

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# ?thefirstWARLoRD 2006-03-15 06:28
wel basicly im not bikering but youv got the right idea they'll do whateva it takes to stop the homebrewers cos there like little kids they just dont want us to have it

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# ?thefirstWARLoRD 2006-03-15 06:32
wel basicly im not bikering but youv got the right idea they'll do whateva it takes to stop the homebrewers cos there like little kids they just dont want us to have it

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# @ MAIcrosoftDan 2006-03-15 07:00
youre right, i forgot about fluff. good memory =)

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# fanboyismfantasyrulz 2006-03-15 08:31
alot fans of homebrew here.."so don take those comment seriously they don mean a thing"

anything sony do, they not happy, wtf.. 1 day sony will just scrap everything and u will thx ur homebrew for makin it possible. complaining complaining COMPLAING again.. can't u just ADMIT THT SONY DID SOME REALLY NICE STUFF HERE ! ITS WORTHY OF PRAISE NOT FLAMMING STUPID A$$ don shove it at his A$$, shove it at ur own A$$ O and die of ROTTING OK !?

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# fanboyismfantasyrulz 2006-03-15 08:41
alot fans of homebrew here.."so don take those comment seriously they don mean a thing"

anything sony do, they not happy, wtf.. 1 day sony will just scrap everything and u will thx ur homebrew for makin it possible. complaining complaining COMPLAING again.. can't u just ADMIT THT SONY DID SOME REALLY NICE STUFF HERE ! ITS WORTHY OF PRAISE NOT FLAMMING STUPID A$$ don shove it at his A$$, shove it at ur own A$$ O and die of ROTTING OK !?

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# fanboyismfantasyrulz 2006-03-15 08:43
alot fans of homebrew here.."so don take those comment seriously they don mean a thing"

anything sony do, they not happy, wtf.. 1 day sony will just scrap everything and u will thx ur homebrew for makin it possible. complaining complaining COMPLAING again.. can't u just ADMIT THT SONY DID SOME REALLY NICE STUFF HERE ! ITS WORTHY OF PRAISE NOT FLAMMING STUPID A$$ don shove it at his A$$, shove it at ur own A$$ O and die of ROTTING OK !?

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# Dont forget MPH!aliasneo 2006-03-15 09:52
Lets not forget MPH's amazing firmware loader. I'm sure MPH will be able to load these firmware properties or atleast Im hoping itll be able to get the Playstation emu working.

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# double-edged swordbrazen 2006-03-15 10:44
Is it good that Sony is giving us new options with every firmware release? Of course it is. And of course, you have the option of whether or not to upgrade. There are trade-offs (features, firmware-specific games, etc.), and I think every person should consider these trade-offs before they upgrade.



However, there is a point to the whole "mimicking" of homebrew. It seems to me that Sony is paying attention to the work of the talented programmers out there, figuring out which homebrew is the most likely to appeal to their consumer base, then redoing it themselves. However, this does not necessarily mean that Sony will make a better program than any of the developers you read about here. Anybody remember the official Sony Media Center? If you do, then you probably remember how much it sucked. Quite frankly, other programs like PSPVideo9 were much better at doing the same things that Sony itself did, and they were free at the same time.



Personally, I believe that allowing limited homebrew to be run on the PSP would be a good thing for Sony. If Sony were to create a website dedicated to homebrew and use a sort of authentication service (such as a working version of the windows "signature" service), then they could judge which homebrew would be safe for release. Also, by adding the ideas posted above about disabling UMD use and iso loaders from within the program and only allowing Sony signed programs to be run, Sony could keep control of the homebrew on the net (thus keeping it legal and safe for consumers and themselves) as well as giving their consumer base what they want. Not to mention, it would cost a lot less to have people program for them for free than to hire teams to try and shut down all homebrew.



Quite frankly, I think both sides of the argument are ridiculous. If you don't like Sony because of their treatment of homebrew, then sell your PSP and buy a GP32X. If you think homebrew is a waste of time, then don't bother with sites like this. To go into these forums and rail on each other over ideals is just silly. It doesn't accomplish anything, and you are not going to change your opponents' opinions.



Personally, I'm a 2.6 user, and I will not be upgrading to 3.0 until it offers me a way to play homebrew (namely emulators) or makes it more appealing than playing homebrew.

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# hombrew vs ps1 gamesDeletegmc 2006-03-15 10:52
I have a 2.0 psp but i am constatntly downgrading and upgrading to play homebrew and then to play regular games. However if sony do release good downloadable ps1 games i would much rarther play them instead of a homebrew game

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# New functions meens new exploitsKnutselmaaster 2006-03-15 10:59
I believe this is a good thing for both sides, new functions for the non-homebrewers and with new functions come new exploits (if ps1 games can be played then why not ps1 homebrew?) so it's good for the homebrew comunity too!



Be positive!



stop verbally attacking eachother, discuss on an adult manner please!

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# Opinionsmugsy 2006-03-15 11:33
Often times I used to see the warning on this site saying something to the effect of: We do not have UMD Loaders for download, we are much like CNN; we only bring you the news, we do not tell you what to do with it.



So why are there opinions from the news moderators giving their thoughts. If I wanted an opinion I would click on the link that says "Forum." These articles are pointless.

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# Jake 2006-03-15 12:05
I think you're a tad bit mislead. The goal for this site is to cover the news AND provide original content. That means reviews, opinion articles, analysis, etc.



We are not content with simply saying "So and so released this. Download." There are plenty of simple blogs that do that. We're taking the next step to become a REAL news site.



Check out MSNBC, CNN, etc... not JUST the news there.

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# We should complainjahrain 2006-03-15 14:24
As customers of sony, we have a right to complain. If we didn't complain, sony probably wouldnt have done what they have done to support things such as flash and gps or w/e else they are throwing out to appease us. They would just think we are all happy customers if none complained.



Unfortunaly we are not all happy customers becuase Sony is still trying to force us to upgrade our psps to stop the usage of free games so that we can buy new games instead of playing emulators of older consoles. They can't condone the usage of emulators mainly becuase emulators and roms are illegal. http://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp



Sony may fear Nintendo for legal issues for condoning the usage of emulators but i think thats wrong. The sony should licence the PSP to its users as if its a stand alone computing platform as in they are not liable for what the users or developers create for it. Nintendo can't sue Microsoft for allowing unlicenced develepment for the Windows operating systems to allow the development of emulators, pirating software, etc.



Sony's firmware is just another operating system like Windows, theirs no reason why they should stifle user created software for the platform. Hence this is the reason why us customers are still displeased with sony's new gimmics and addons to appease us. And not to mension that some of the user made software functions better and is much more versitile than sony's software.



And for the record, i dont pirate any PSP games, they arent even worth downloading becuase they all mostly suck. The only games i do see worth downloading are old school concole games like SNES and such which are availibe for free, yet they are copyrighted games making the downloading up them piracy, the owners dont seem to really care enough to do anything about it.



Theres no way sony will just cut us customers off for complaining becuase it will be their loss, not ours. The more they crack down on us is just the more displeased customers they will get. Its not like sony is doing us favors, its there duty to keep us happy as customers or else their sales will hit them.

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# walking a fine lineskrabbins 2006-03-15 14:36
While I have the utmost respect for PSPupdates position on ISOs etc, and would even concur with this to a certain extent....



QUOTE

"blocked from the running of any piracy? ....many people do enjoy playing Super Nintendo you know"

UNQUOTE



Do you realise how this makes you sound? Snes games are still games. Anyone heard of the Nintendo Revolution?

Guess what Nintendo are doing. Well it's just like Sony. It will involve PAYING to d/l games from their older consoles My guess is this will involve SNES game libraries.



My point is...sure its wrong to download all your games, everyone who has 5 ISOs on their memstick SHOULD have at least 5 UMDs but almost EVERYONE has violated the DMCA etc at some point. You all are walking a fine line between on the one hand staying on the right side of the law AND genuinely supporting homebrew devs and on the other hand coming off like total hypocrites. Good luck!

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# Djhg2000Guest 2006-03-21 03:44
Well, well, well... Seems like Sony has gave HB a thought, after all, they would have no problems at all to block iso loaders, it could simply be done by relinking the umd0:\ to for example umdgame0:\, making it take a while for hackers to figure out how to find the new umd path...

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# *claps melogenusly*thefirstWARLoRD 2006-03-26 17:16
to be quite honest if sony turned round and said 'hey look at this a fully working psone emu but it only works on 3.00 firmware which no homebru or other emus work on it' i would be more than happy to upgrade and never look bak and i own a 1.5psp

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