why can't they be left alone. their job is to rate games according to violence, gore, profanity, etc. and that's what they did with this game. They aren't made to try to modify the game to change the ratings. Apparently, these peoples don't believe in the constitution and that man is generally good (the people against ESRB). They believe right now that everyone is going to use this mod that isn't part of the game, you have to edit the game. Why rate something that's not part of a game?

All these guys are just stroking their *****es. Because nobody cares if they speak out against a movie, but people seem to listen when they speak about games.

People presume that games are for kids, and movies are for adults, so movies aren't questioned or scrutinized.

This is just completely ludacris. Manhunt 2 is on the shelves, these groups just need to deal with it. It actually amazes me that these "groups" still don't know what was edited out. All it takes is a google search, or a game review to explain just how "neutered" this game really is. I myself have written countless posts explaining how executions cannot even be shown to the player, even if the player is a 30 year old adult. I'm thirty, why can't I see them? I can't because some organizations think they know what's good for me and my family.



I've also said this before, but it's all politics. I seriously doubt that they really care this much about this controversy, but rather just want to make a name for themselves. Think about it, if Tim Winter gets majority of older American voters to agree with him on this subject, who's to say that he wouldn't get similar support if he ran for presidency. Think about how nobody even knew who Jack Thompson really was until he started his campaigning against music/movies/games.



Ultimately in the end, this talk of banning and censoring will only create a higher demand for the game itself. "Uh oh, I better hurry and buy a copy before it gets a Adults Only rating, and gets taken off the shelves". This is really sad considering this game isn't even all that great. It actually doesn't bring anything new gaming. If all these groups would have just kept to themselves, I am willing to bet this game wouldn't be the hit it is today.

My hypothesis is that the goons are gonna say that Saw is "watching" a "murder", while the games themselves are "training simulations". At least that's how I see their standpoint as being.

Unfortunately said groups of folks are blaming things on rockstar and such. I guess these days the TV, video games and internet are the ones to raise children and thus the makers of the content (even after end user modification) get the blame :(



I know, if I put cyanide in my pizza and get sick because of it, I should be able to make the pizza company go out of business for poisoning food xD

I am no way offended by what Keith had to say, and yes I also agree with his argument that ESRB is receiving backlash unfairly. But the problem that I have with his argument was his last sentence:



"I could list the fundamental problems with the US government, constitution and attitude that allow such BS to perpetuate day after day, month after month, year after year... Unfortunately I only have 2 hours left here at work.."



This has nothing to do with the fact that the ESRB is being attached publicly by a few overbearing groups. Also, stating that Canada is a pacifist country also has nothing to do with this ESRB backlash. When we bring up such irrelevant information to an argument, the posts end up becoming "My country is better than yours" comments only.



Also when you say that "America IS the issue" you are implying that America as a collective are the problem, when we know for a fact that this just a select group of "Americans". I myself am American and do not agree with what these groups are trying to accomplish, so does that mean that I am not American? Also from what I understand the UK doesn't think very highly of the ESRB either, that's why they have their own rating standards, so then again how is it an "American" only problem.



Again, I%u2019m glad that we can discuss these issues as mature adults, just like we should be able to play this game as mature adults as well!

is LUDICROUS.

ATTENTION ALL SOCCER MOMS:



Rockstar Games is likely to host a league where children of all ages can play soccer AT ALL TIMES OF YEAR, so your asses would be out of the way to make the world a more peaceful and evidently...a better place.



Please...play one of these games and get some real info, listening to that idiot Jack Thompson gets you nothing. Stop believing what that retard says, he's not correct. And if I'm not mistaken, he probably never picked up a video game in the first place...he just decided to hate it. Like how Hitler disliked Jewish people...you can call this all-out attempt to screw Rockstar...well a video game holocaust. That's right a Holocaust.

He hates Take Two and Rockstar so freaking much that he has corrupted everyone into doing this with Manhunt 2.



I mean ever since september 11th 2001, everyone is like this, they think everything is either TERRORISTS OR TRAINING SIMULATIONS AKA KILLING SIMULATIONS!



Do you guys remember how a woman thought that people that talked in muslim thought that they were terrorists trying to bomb america and such and the muslim kids were just kids from College and she made it seem like it was a threat and the whole state was quarantined till the kids were found.



USA is super paranoid these days, all because of BUSH!



Anyway thats the story about Manhunt 2.