PSP vs. Nintendo DS - Closest Race Since SNES vs. Genesis

Posted Apr 19, 2006 at 7:38PM by QJ Staff Listed in: News Tags:
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Those who grew up with a Super Nintendo or Sega Genesis might remember the era as the time of the best video games ever made. There was a reason for that - the competition. Nintendo and Sega were neck and neck in the race for console supremacy, and to edge each other out they were forced to create the best games they could.

Now we're looking at another great race. The PlayStation Portable and Nintendo DS are even closer than the SNES and Genesis were in North America. The NPD has just recently released their sales data and the numbers of units Sony and Nintendo sold in March are astonishingly close. Not only is this a fight between the DS and PSP, the Game Boy Advance is taking a sizable chunk as well. The DS sold 184,000 units while the PSP just barely edged it out with 186,000 units. The GBA edged them both out by selling 201,000.

March was also a great example of how the close race makes for great game releases. Metroid Prime Hunters, Tetris DS, and Super Princess Peach all saw a release for the DS. The PSP had one of its best months with Daxter, Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror, and Mega Man: Powered Up. Of course, the biggest game released wasn't on the handheld at all. The PS2 got a little something we call Kingdom Hearts 2 (sold over 614,000 copies).

Keep in mind that this is the American battle. The PSP's still screwed in Japan where the DS sells around 800,000 monthly with the PSP selling around 120,000 monthly and GBA reaching maybe 50,000. Funny how such a small country buys so much more.

US Monthly Sales (March 2006) - Rounded
PlayStation 2: 273,000 [39,251,931]
Game Boy Advance: 201,000 [37,286,846]
Xbox 360: 192,000 [1,209,343]
PlayStation Portable: 186,000 [4,170,434]
Nintendo DS: 184,000 [4,308,665]
Xbox: 83,000 [15,698,997]
Gamecube: 63,000 [12,008,291]

 
 
 

Comments [refresh]

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-19 17:03
» no

stfu

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-19 17:06
» ignorant

"Funny how such a small country buys so much more."



It's not funny...in Japan lives more than 100 million... it's a big market.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-19 17:08
» He meant

since they have 250 million less its smaller and he's right so calm down. The ds is superior in every way to the psp by the way, except for graphics, and those dont matter in hand helds, which is why the ds has sold millions more then the psp

by - 2006-04-19 17:09
» Re: ignorant

The Japanese console market is smaller than the US console market. The USA has about 300 million people living in it.



Also, for the love of all that is chocolatey, DS and PSP fanboys don't start bickering.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-19 17:10
» I love my PSP...

but plan on picking up a DS Lite when Nintendo release one. I have 6 original PSP games, but can name 10-15 games I *really* want to play on DS. It is hard for Japanese developers to justify outlaying a lot of money on PSP development when so many people are determined to pirate the system.



Let's hope Sony can lock down some MUST HAVE titles with firmware 3.0 + allow homebrew + full resolution MPEG compression too. This is the only way Sony can win back the market share they deserve with such an amazing machine that has SO MUCH potenial.



C'mon Sony - do it. DO IT. DOOO ITTT.

by - 2006-04-19 17:14
» Re: I love my PSP...

That's another thing. The DS Lite should spur a lot of sales. The DS is one of my most-played systems, but it's pretty damn ugly and image-concious America is obviously wary of it. I've heard "I want a DS, but I'm waiting for the DS Lite" on countless message boards. Whatever month Nintendo releases the DS Lite in might be a change of momentum.



Then we have Pokemon Diamond/Pearl.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-19 17:23
» RE: #8

tell me about it... it's the ugliest console released for a long time. DS Lite should do very well. I plan on getting a white one to match my PSP. Nisch. Very Nisch.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-19 17:53
» BEGIN COMMENT

The psp needs better software or it will die a horrible death at the hands of Nintendo's first party titles (if anyone's seen gameplay videos of The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass, played a link up Mario Kart DS round, or even *****in picto-chatted, you KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT) and the Lite. The only survivors will be the post-apocalyptic, battle-torn homebrewers (the psp DEFINITELY has more homebew capabilities) if things go the way i think they're going to...



but then i see games like Loco Roco.

Will it offend some (ie, most) gamers with its cutesy design? Probably.

Will it play like a dream? Who knows.

Is it something no one has ever seen before? The answer to THIS question is a most resounding yes.



Yeah, most people will glance it over but anyone who's ever found something to love in game's that were a little off the wall ( Pikmin, Viewtiful Joe and Warioware, I'm staring in your direction ) Knows that there's something engrossing with experiencing games in a way you never dreamed possible.



Not that sony should focus on these type of innovative games entirely either. They should just know, if they dont offer something that nintendo cant aside from graphics and a shoddy analog stick (Side note: Guess what? DS is getting web browsing too, suckas. Add a stylus to that scenario and the psp alternative soon becomes horribly obsolete), theyre *****ed.



The End.,

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-19 18:05
» ofcourse japans a big market

all console imports in asian countries happens from japan = all consoles in india come from japan and here every1 i know owns a ps2/gba. Hence big market in japan.

by Shamoo - 2006-04-19 18:13
» VARIOUS sources?

Sorry but that alone killed this news post.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-19 18:14
» no...

#14



If that was true, then every single console except the Xbox's would be counted as the japanese market...

by darksquirrel - 2006-04-19 18:17
» ds--->psp?

there's nothing wrong with the psp itself, where really just talking lazy developers here. I mean all the all star games for the ds would have worked on the psp only better. I mean mario 64 would've controlled better, metroid wouldv'e been like it's auto targeting brethren on the gamecube, mario kart wouldv;e been the same only now with a widescreen graphical update, hell even animal crossing would've been better on the psp. I mean developers can do a lot more game wise with that much extra memory and power. Just unfortunately the psps is getting shafted in the game department. So don't crap on the psp, crap on the developers who are too lazy to make good games for it.(i'm so tired of this argument yet i jump into the fray every time it comes up)

by - 2006-04-19 18:31
» Re: Various

The fact that I used officially released numbers from trustworthy sources from whom I've been getting this information from for months, combined with information from a friend who has been keeping track of this data for years makes the newspost unreliable?



Whatever suits you best. I don't list them individually because one doesn't have a link and the other wants to remain anonymous.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-19 19:33
» good news

this can only be healthy for the GAMES!!!!!!!

screw which is the best consol on lets be happy for the games

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-19 20:11
» The lite affect?

I wonder how much the DS' sales are being affected by people waiting for the lite to launch? Could it be outselling the PSP in the US if the new model was out?



(For the record, I own a PSP and a DS and I wouldn't be without either of them)

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-19 20:32
» Japan

My two favorite consoles are considered trash in Japan, my xbox and psp. Both of these are homebrew heavy and have better graphics. Im not a fanboy but I am confused as to what peole in Japan are thinking when buying handhelds and consoles.


by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-19 20:46
» horrible analogy

That's a pretty bad analogy. The SNES and the Genesis were almost neck and neck because they both produced similar performance while costing about the same ($200 USD at launch).



We're now talking about two devices (PSP and NDS) whose performance are almost night and day different... Go to gamespot or any video game website, look up Ridge Racer on both the PSP and the NDS and then think about it.... or... any supposedly "extreme pushing grapic" on the respective console and compare them.



The pricing is also very different... one debut at $250 while the other is at $150. The NDS is 40% cheaper than the PSP. Please don't tell me price doesn't affect decision choice.(which in turn, affects sales figures) I'm sure many people (or kids) who can only shell out for an NDS would still have a sour taste of desire for the other machine.



The fact that the PSP still out sell the NDS by a small margine shows that the demand and the favor toward the PSP is MUCH higher than that of NDS... what if the PSP is priced at $150 as well? Hot cakes... that's what the PSP is... and NDS would then look like paper weight. Despite the 40% MORE in price, it is still out selling the NDS?



I may sound like PSP biased... maybe I am. Take my statements with a grain of salt if you will, but facts are facts... as biased as one can be, he can't alter truth.



Which brings me to the next point. These sort of article referencing the sales figures without informing the reader the level of difference is kinda biased to the weaker product in itself... I'm honestly sick of seeing sales figure comparision and almost all articles of this nature neglect completely the two points I just made. Quit pitting two very different machines together in the sales figure arena...



Just stop w/ the sales referencing... and if you must, inform the reader...

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-19 20:51
» Common Sense

To no. 22, all i can say is watch a group of 4 guys kart it out on DS's. The psp needs better games man. The possibilities presented by stronger specs are meaningless if there's no one to pursue/ take advantage of them.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-19 20:52
» just look at it...

Just look at that image in the article.... nuff said.



The PSP is truly so much better then that ugly DS handheld.



I dont care about gimmicks, sweet mario characters, having 2 screens, lots kiddie games...



I care about top quality LCD widescreen, slim design, COOL 3D action games, 480x272 video and mp3 playback!



Now that I think of it.... YOU REALLY CANT COMPARE THE PSP TO THE DS!

The PSP is in a whole different league of its own.. its more advanced, more aimed towards Action/FPS/Racing gamers..



If you care about Mario and that cute stuff, buy a DS.. but if you are a gamer with higher expectations and more demands... definitely go for PSP!



Just my 2cents...

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-19 21:18
» To 26

I have a lot of demands for psp too and as far as im concerned, theyre not being met. The game selection is DOG *****. I need at least ONE rpg that isnt pappy crap made by unknown and inexperienced developers. Square Enix, throw me a frickin bone here. Or maybe a Castlevania game for psp owners? Whats with the 2d castlevania grapplehold nintendo has on konami? At least Ultimate Ghouls n Ghosts is coming soon...

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-19 21:51
» I really dont like the DS

Im not trying to flame or nothin, but i have a PSP with about 10 games, and there i have a friend with a DS and about 6 games. I play my PSP regularily, and he plays his DS regularily. He likes most the games I have on PSP, i dont like the games on DS. I didnt enjoy Mario Kart on it despite loving every other MK released, it just didnt feel right. Nintendogs is lame, i dont get why its so popular, and nothing else is exciting. THe only reason i may ever get a DS is for pokemon, since i love RPGs.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-19 22:10
» PSP game design is pathetic, that's why

Like a lot of ppl on this thread, I agree; it doesn't take much to see why DS is thrashing PSP here in Japan. PSP games, with a few shining outliers, for the most part are unoriginal and uninspired. But for Katamari (which isn't a PSP original concept anyway) and Tokobots there haven't been any real innovative titles for the PSP at all. Look at DS games and half of their library seems like innovative, imaginative games. Gamers in Japan aren't looking for another pretty racing title...they're looking for something new that actually entertains them.



Every day I look at PSP news hoping for a really cool breakthrough PSP game and every day it's the same "oh boy, another 3d shooter/adventure game" or "whoopee another racing game." Loco Roco is the only game I'm looking forward to. Got a chance to play it and the minute I did so I thought "THIS is what developers should be doing."



PSP is a beautiful and powerful system, but to be perfectly honest the only reason I pick mine up is to play homebrew. What's wrong with that picture?

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-19 22:35
» Japan

The reason why the DS is doing so well in Japan is because the market is different. In Japan, old people and women buy a DS, and all the young kids probably buy both, or the cheapest one. They are less demanding of their games, and like small, accessible games and of course many are long time Mario nutters. ;)



In Europe and the U.S., it's still something primarily for boys, and so the PSP does much better. But there are definitely different tastes. Currently, the PSP gets better games, ranking wise, certainly in the U.S. and Europe - just look at the Gamespot all review pages and compare the ratings and games for DS and PSP. There are more 8+ games for PSP (last time I checked about 27 vs 16) and the average ranking is also higher for PSP games.



There's a big cultural divide between Japan and the rest of the world in that respect, and it will take a while before it equals out. Right now though, the DS and PSP sales make this divide very clear to see, which is interesting in its own right.



The whole point here is that women are late in catching up on games in the West. From the looks of it, those that drop in, generally grow into it through their boyfriends, and therefor will develop tastes initially more akin to the guys.



Men and Woman are also a little more alike in the West, less of a sexual divide. In Japan, there are whole gaming franchises that are the equivalent of soap-opera and teen magazines, which never make it to the West.



It will be interesting to see how, if, and when this changes. The DS may play a big part in this, but when? It could happen after the DS has been released, even. Currently, iPod is the technological trend that has attracted women, so who knows what will happen next.

by Deletegmc - 2006-04-19 22:44
» Europe

As a European i want to see our market results. In Japan the ds is winning, in America its a tie but what about Europe. I know it would be hard because you would have to collect the results from different countries but i would still like to know who is doing better. I think the psp is selling better because you see more people with them than the ds however i want to know the score in the overall market

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 00:02
» The Handheld factor

Another factor is that the DS is designed with the needs of a handheld in mind, while the PSP is a home console in minature. The DS has longer battery life, is more durable, starts up quicker, etc. In addition, the DS' game library is more weighted to pick up and play games like puzzlers and minigames, while the PSP's flagship titles are ever-so-slightly watered down versions of what you get on home consoles, FPS games and epic action games which need to be sat down with and played for a while. There are exceptions on both sides (Metroid and Lumines spring to mind) but, as a general rule, the DS caters more to the 20 minute train journey or the 10 minute boredom supressor. That's what's helping the DS keep up in the more technology driven west, the fact it's better suited to the classic gameboy role. And then there's the DS Lite relase, which gives the DS further marks for portability and image, and could very will tip things in Ninty's favour.



And besides which, no market suffers from competition, yes?

by Vipre77 - 2006-04-20 01:03
» @ #23 - Re: sales figures

I never thought about it, but you're right in a way about comparing sales numbers between the two is obviously going to be skewed a bit because of the entry cost of the systems. It's sort of like comparing a loaded Ford Focus to a Mitsubishi Lancer EVO MR. Which do you think sells more? The ratio in prices is roughly equivalent.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 01:05
» come on people.

I have to say that most of the comments i read about how this one is better than that one or vise versa. I am a 30 year old male. I have both a psp and a ds phatty. I play them both and love them both. The psp rules for games like socom , any sports title and more

?mature/violent? games. On the other hand. How can you not want to play nintendos first party games. I mean I have played princess peach as much as i have played socom here lately. :) And for the RPG fans out there. I mean psp will get major love with there own rpgs but the ds in time will rule supream with a flood of rpgs you cant imagine. I think in fact that alot of ds owners putting down the psp , really want one deep down. and turn that around for alot of psp owners that hark on the ds. You know you want to play the new mario and zelda comming out. You know you do. If you have a ds go get a psp when you can afford it. Yuou wont regret it. Games will only get better. If you have a psp, go get a ds when you can affort it. Yuu wont regret it. Games will only get better. You guys cant expect every single game to be one you would play. I think both systems have crap games that get thrown into the bunch. anywho!!!

I have both, play both, love both.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 01:29
» Why DS is a better handheld!

LOAD TIME!!!! sony stupid UMD is slow like a turtle...Good Graphic or not noone like to wait especially when you are on the move.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 02:07
» Retarded..

K.. who ever does this Game Console VS Game Console sh*T should die.. seriously theres wasting lifes time coming up with this bull***** getting hard ons for nothing.. and he talks about the GBA... lmao how old is the gba. i dont know why ppl diss the psp. its a wonderfull thing. and P.S i dont use UMD's i still have hte demo in the box.. i only use my psp for Homebrew (Hardly any loading time on that)

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 02:34
» A Message To SONY (Not meant to be derogatory)

SONY, you have created an excellent system and I definitely enjoy it, but if it is to stand up to the DS you need to establish fewer limits on what it can do. Please do what you can to allow the full potential of the PSP to finally be unlocked and utilized, we all know the PSP has the capability to do so much more. Here are a few simple suggestions:





The PSP has the ability to make user of a 333 MHz processor, using it translates to better and smoother running games. Worried about battery life? Just release a higher capacity battery. People will buy it.



The memory stick video has the ability to play at full resolution, please allow it. One of the reasons why UMD movies failed to sell was because people were standoffish over the fact that movies they already owned and copied to memory sticks always played at a lower resolution. Since UMD movie sales are poor at the moment allowing full resolution video from the memory stick on the PSP would not actually hurt at this point.



There is a homebrew community that is creating some decent software for the PSP (eg. chat/IRC, using a file manager, wirelessly accessing and transferring files between a PC and the PSP, etc.), I am certain that they would supply the source code to these programs which can then be bug tested and fixed, and then encrypted to be a part of the next firmware update. After all, those who do not pirate games but still use homebrew mainly do so because it provides features they desire. You have already incorporated several features that have become available in homebrew and that is a good start, so just work a bit harder on this and you will soon have many people willingly leaving the homebrew scene. I also still believe that full flash player game support should be available in the next firmware update instead of limited compatibility with flash since it will not allow piracy or games that come close to commercial PSP games but will satisfy people who enjoy homebrew. This will definitely end the headaches caused by this whole "SONY vs Homebrew" crap.



Instead of releasing PS1 games online, I would like to suggest utilizing the full capacity of the UMD's storage space and releasing PS1 game packs consisting of several games. First of all, this will prevent the PS1 memory stick games you are intending to release from being pirated. Since not everybody will have a credit card to purchase and download these games with this will also give gamers more chances to purchase them. This would also justify the amount of storage space on the UMDs and ensure that people stop complaining that it is not being utilized. I would pay $100 for a UMD if it meant paying only $10 to $20 for each included game.





I will immediately e-mail what I typed here to SONY, I doubt that SONY has the time to read through all comment sections and forums but if people e-mail SONY and tell this company what they want and they receive enough requests for a certain feature then they would definitely have to address this request just to stop their in box from being flooded.



But then, I suppose that most people will not bother to e-mail SONY and will instead choose to whine and moan here about stuff they want like little babies. We are better than this. After all, how do we expect any manufacturer or developer to suit opur needs if we do not tell them what our needs are?

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 02:38
» Oops!

I forgot to mention, #33 is right. Arguing over which system is better is pointless, just let people purchase what they want and forget about carrying on with these silly pissing contests.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 02:45
» Eh?

"I care about top quality LCD widescreen, slim design, COOL 3D action games, 480x272 video and mp3 playback!"



Screen ghosting, unprotected screen, fingerprints, and UMD movies are big problems with those things.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 02:52
» Bulls**t

LOL, neck and neck for sony and nintendo? Nintend is pwning ALL the other systems in Japan (which was listed on this site before...)... Yes the PSP as of January out sold the DS in the US, but the GBA still outsold BOTH of them (not added together tho). It's fair to say both are struggling because the LACK of games, but don't post false hope to the people who come to this site. I doubt there will be a "huge mass of games" to the systems, from what I see the PSP is geting "ports" of games that were PS2 games that everyone liked in order to pull people to the PSP.



In overall handheld sales, Nintendo is still winning big, Sony isn't that close at beng 1st place yet, sorry article writer, DO YOUR RESEARCH!

by - 2006-04-20 03:39
» Replies

#35 and #39: You two should read the entire post before spazzing out. I listed GBA figures because the GBA sells MORE than the DS and PSP in the USA. It's sold more than the two systems for months now. Also, I know that DS is winning worldwide. This is an article about the USA and I state that in the article.



#23: In my opinion, pricing is a crutch. To remain competitive, you need a competitive price. Nintendo sacrificed graphics and sound for an affordable price. Sony sacrificed an affordable price for graphics and sound. If you say, "it's because of the price" others can easily say "it's because of the power" Really. The GCN launched at $300 Canadian while the PS2 and Xbox launched at $450. That did not help. Pricing is all part of a company's strategy.



#30: The problem with Europe is that it's very hard for me to find stats. There is no unified sales tracking service like there is in the USA and Japan. If you want some indications though, the DS launched I think 8 months before the PSP. Nintendogs has sold better in Europe than Japan and the USA. I know that the DS is ahead of the PSP in Europe, but I'm not sure by exactly how much.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 03:42
» DS Piracy

6. » I love my PSP...



''It is hard for Japanese developers to justify outlaying a lot of money on PSP development when so many people are determined to pirate the system''



Just as many people are determined to pirate the DS. Piracy Protection that was quietly put in place in newer models of DS hardware were very quickly circumvented. Even the new DS Lite can run homebrew and of course potentially run downloaded games. We seem to hear more about Psp piracy but the DS has just as much, if not more.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 03:48
» games

I think that the games are the key reason why nintendo are selling so many DS's. When i first looked at which system I was going to get, i was totaly ready to get the DS. I even saved up enough to get it but then the sheer technological power of the PSP caught my eye and im definetly a sucker for gadgets. The reason i wanted the DS in the first place was that the games being released for it seemed new and fresh compared to those on say the PS2.



The thing that i would say IMO is that the gamming industry has become a little stale over the years. The only real improovements to game play (excluding eye toy n socom) that there has been between the PS1 and the PS2 is better graphics and more responsive game play. (trust me after playing SSX try playing Cool Boarders 4 from the PS1 and you will get what i mean.). Now I am not saying that there is anything wrong with this in the end but it does mean for me that games have a lot shorter life span as you are just playing the same sort of thing over n over.



Now when it comes to the PSP, i own 6 games. 4 of these are ports of games from the PS2. 1 is a port of an amiga game (lemmings) and 1 is to my knowledge a totaly original game (grip shift). Out of all these games I think the one I will end up playing for the longest time will be lemmings, possibly because it was one of the first games i ever got into as a child but also posibly because i find it to be the most original game out there as there really isnt anything else like it.



The PSP to me feels very much like a little brother of the PS2. I feel at the moment Sony just want to make it a portable playstation 2 rather than something new and refreshing. I think in the end sony and other publishers are putting these games onto the PSP because they know that they are winners and are going to sell. Simply because they have been proven to sell over n over. The thing is, they seem scared to take a chance on different and new ideas just incase they do not work and loose lots of money. If you look at the PS2 the inervative games like Eye Toy only started being released after the PS2 had made backl all of its production costs and so sony could take a few more risks.



Now this battle with nintendo could lead to two things. Firstly Sony might realise that putting different games out there will intise more gamers. Secondly it might make sonyt even more worried about loosing and so stick to there guns even more until they know they have room to breathe.



I think in the short term what i'm interested in seeing is more old old ports. Ie like lemmings originaly from the Amiga. I heard that James Pond was going to be released on the PSP and that sounds great to me. It was such a classic game and I'd love to be able to play it again.



In the long run though, and this goes for the entire gaming industry, i think we need to start seeing new ideas surface, otherwise people will get alienated by boring re hashes of generation before games.



wow this was long, sorry lol.

by bonzai10 - 2006-04-20 04:35
» Sum up?

Maybe we just stop arguing what is better, PSP or NDS.

Many people said those two handhelds are completly diffrent. One is purely for gaming - NDS and PSP is for multimedia and gaming.

Becouse we cant have all PSP have connected two ideas - gaming and multimedia. That affected but not in 100% PSP is not perfect for gaming. NDS doesn't have multimedia functions so its ideal for gaming.

Both consoles are great in diffrent way. And its impossible to say what is better becouse i could say PSP plays MP3's but someone will say NDS is cheaper or something like that.

We write thousands of comments what is better and we want to convince PSP or NDS is better.

Best solution: BUY BOTH CONSOLES - i know most of people cant afford it, neither do i.

Both consoles are popular.

I own PSP and im pleased of it. But if i had money i would buy NDS.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 04:44
» didnt like the psp

had a psp sold it and bought a ds lite. No games at all for the psp. My ds can do everything my psp can and the games are better. Graphically no, gameplay by far.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 05:00
» PSP vs DS (Neither are better than the other)

The PSP has wonderful graphics, plus it can run homebrew, along with movies, music, view pics, and eventually take pics.



The DS has some decent games, such as Mario Kart, Pheonix Wright, Animal Crossing, and eventually Zelda.



For both, some of the games that are put out on these handhelds put up a similar reflection to that of there Console counterparts. Example Mario Kart 64 = Mario Kart DS, Super Mario 64 = Super Mario DS, Socom = Socom PSP. I dont mean in any way diss either of these systems being that i own both myself.



To get to the point that the PSP is going to be pirated, it already has. Download the games over a torrent sysytem and use a UMD emualtor along with MPH Game Loader. The DS has also been pirated with the M3 Adapter. The M3 Adapter allows the user to play GBA and DS titles that have been downloaded.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 05:50
» to 45

DECENT games? I bet more copies of The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass sell than any game released for the psp, past and present. In fact, i bet it sells more than the top 2 psp titles. You know why? It's going to have quality gameplay (of course it will. Its a zelda game and i SWEAR, if anyone brings up the cd-i games...) but it also presents gameplay ideas no ones ever tackled before.



Sorry if i seem a bit zealous. I can only say that of all the psp games out there (ive tried em all), theres not one with the type of flair that even one first party ds game. You could almost pick ANY game aside from the shameless super mario 64 port that was only done to prove the ds could handle/improve on 64 games. This was the only game on the ds to follow Sony's whole marketting procedure of "Resell our proven console games on the small screen with little to no changes applied" and look how well it worked for them. Funny that Mario 64 is a commonly used example by psp-fan boys. Thats because its the only good example to support their arguments but, in the end, fails for the same reasons almost every psp title will fail. Shoddy Controls (i dont care what anyone says, that little analog "nub" sucks my balls off) and lack of innovation. Sad but true.



Oh, and for the record, the ds lite is going to mop up in the us. DS is being beaten in the us because we live in a very shallow country. We see a freakishly large hamburger system with a screen display that i can only describe as muddy where as the Japanese see that it has titles with more character in just their gameplay mechanics than anything that has tried to be pushed on the psp (so far at least). Now, when the ds lite comes out, the sexy little slice of the ipod pie with its screens that look like they may even be brighter than the psp's istelf, i realize that in less than a month, im finally going to be shelling out for a ds.



Reasons:

Mario Kart DS

New Super Mario Bros.

The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass

WarioWare Touched

Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow

Picto-Chat (really captures that "3rd grade, passing ludicrous notes in class that just keep getting crazier" sense)

Web Browsing (with Stylus)

Hell, maybe even Princess Peach



What i can already say tho is that those few titles (about half are released) have spunk and strike my interest whereas everything on the psp seems like a rehash of a rehash. True, it has homebrew but, if thats ALL a system has going for it, the main company itself is going to close up shop and then nintendo wins the handheld game again. Sony, get your ***** together or youre done for. REAL gamers need games.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 06:15
» Got a DS, never looked back since.

I had a PSP on the first day it was released in America. I didn't want a DS, it seemed pretty crappy. After a few months, Nintendo really started to get serious. Companies began releasing much better games for the DS, and I eventually got one. I never touched my PSP since, even homebrew got pretty boring after a while. ;)

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 06:33
» Vice Versa

I owned a DS but once i got in touch with the PSP i never looked back at my DS.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 06:53
» heh

I have both systems,but I'd have to say that I enjoy my PSP so much more than I do the DS (and I own the ' Lite variation of said system). Don't get me wrong,there are some great games available for the DS. I enjoy playing Advance Wars,Trauma Center,Ouendan, Castlevania,and Tetris immensely,but on the other hand,I can careless about the kiddy games that make up more than 75% of its library.



Nintendogs and Animal's Crossing = strictly for the socially inept.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 07:18
» i hate.....

*****s

by pspjac15 - 2006-04-20 07:34
» ds vs psp

i am a hardcore rpg fan. but i didnt see 1 rpg for psp. the ds does have the classic games that people want like mario and metroid. the psp on the other hand does have the superior graphics , plays movies , pics, internet. also psp has the support of all the wonderful people who break thier asses coding so you can take the psp further. like fanjita and ditlew with the eloader. so for game quality i go to my ds. and for extra stuff i use psp.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 07:39
» stfu

The nintendo has better games and that why it sells so much the psp has a crappy games, i am gonna be srtaight I pirate psp games, so I've plaied them all and noe not even one could be compared to metroin prime hunter or mario cart and don't let me get started on that zelda phantom hour glass and mario.

You guys are a bunch of fanboys. get a life like i don't have.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 07:47
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by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 08:12
» PSP fails.

I have yet to find a single fun game on the PSP, and i've played them all. On the other hand, 85% of the DS games i've played... I can not put down. From my stand point, the PSP pales in compairison to any console, ever. I'll take the original Gameboy over a PSP any day.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 08:26
» me

if sony doesnt destroy nintendo this next it will happend the next one. so dont worry psp is the best hand held ever made , and thats why it has sold more than the competition world wide.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 08:48
» .....

dudes...all you psp fanboys are just stating that the psp has better graphics, wahoo in terms of games the ds blows the psp out, and you call the psp owning with those figures? hmmmm...i dont think so

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 09:02
» psp!!!!!!!!

psp is better than ds in some parts like movies, music, intenet..ect..but what a tru gamer wants are games..somehting sony should really think about..







there is no battle between them but i have to say psp win s a little bit

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 09:07
» PSP will never outsell DS...

...Just because... look at the statistics people! Japan only! GBA sells aslmost half of what PSP sells....I have a PSP 1.50, don't own a DS or a GBA(but I do own some GBA games for play on my GCube). It's a proven fact that PSP games are suffering of very low re-playability, not to mention other annoying factors like loading taking forever and ported collections being badly reformated (everybody seem to fail to deliver old-school favorites in new widescreen format...NOTE TO GAME HOUSES: MAKE A SIMPLE SCREEN PANNING OPTION IN THE GAME, IDIOTS! Hey, the TYL people have done it with the SNES emulator...It's so amazing that BigShots like CAPCOM that have been around forever keep stretching thei games making every single sprite look like a F-ing gnome from the north pole...I don't know you but this greatly dissapointed me once I started playing Street Fighter Alpha 3 Max after forking $50 for what every news article in the net promissed was well on it's way to being, and I quote:"The first faithful port of a great fighter series, now in all it's widescreen glory!!!" what a bunch of kiss-ass *****s. Same thing goes with the MK games in Midway Arcade treasures, and a whole bunch of other games....)

If this type of abuse keeps up I'm not gonna buy a single game for PSP again. I'm 100% happy with homebrew though.

+ DS games like Castlevania are much better than the crap we're all getting served.

Lumines is still by far my favorite PSP game...and sadly, that's a launch title.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 09:19
» #59 again

I'never upgraded my 1.50 because I could care less about wireless internet or the TV stuff (that's for snotty rich kids), besides homebrew always manages to get there in the long run....you just have to be patient and dream a little, like me. Internet is for when at home or at work and TV is for when at your crib...all these abbilities the PSP firmware updates bring I consider totally useless...the worst one being the abbility to shut down homebrew and tell you what you have to play or view on a system you forked out a lot of yen for (if you're poor like me...if you're rich...SHADDAP!!!



-Apoklepz

...always at the service of the true PSP community

(Anti-Pirate/Pro-Hombrew Movement)

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 10:34
» hmm

I'm amazed that there are still psp owners who say there are no games. Obviously you are looking in the wrong place. No regional coding is where its at seeing as how 90% of the games I play on my psp are only in Japan so far. I know DS has no regional coding and thats great but until it has at least 5 games that I think look even remotely interesting, I'll hold off on buying one. And yes I am aware of whats out and even whats coming out for it (i read through the whole game list on gamefaqs). Seriously though "Sweet, new Advance Wars....................1 year later...........sweet, new Zelda, eventually." 2 games ain't enough and one of em isn't even out.:(



PS - Where are the DS adult themed games? You've been slackin Japan! I thought a touch screen based system was made for this! XD

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 10:35
» same *****

it's the same old ***** like mario, zelda, and other nintendo crap.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 11:14
» :|

#62, those games are what make Nintendo good.



And all of you PSP fanboys should shut up. The DS is just as good as the PSP in it's own ways. Keep your opinions to yourself.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 12:29
» Game Piracy...

I would have to say the DS has much easier game piracy and trading. Since the games range usually from 20-60MB and can be played off of a flas cartridge easier then PSP games (mostly from 200MB-900MB a piece). Many people just dont seem to know how easy it is, I have all the DS ROMs that have been released, and only 14 PSP Iso releases since most now are massive :Q

by darksquirrel - 2006-04-20 12:59
» i'll repeat since i've yet to have anyone answer the call

ds--->psp?



there's nothing wrong with the psp itself, where really just talking lazy developers here. I mean all the all star games for the ds would have worked on the psp only better. I mean mario 64 would've controlled better, metroid wouldv'e been like it's auto targeting brethren on the gamecube, mario kart wouldv'e been the same only now with a widescreen graphical update, hell even animal crossing would've been better on the psp. I mean developers can do a lot more game wise with that much extra memory and power. Just unfortunately the psps is getting shafted in the game department. So don't crap on the psp, crap on the developers who are too lazy to make good games for it.(i'm so tired of this argument yet i jump into the fray every time it comes up)

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 13:31
» by speedofsloth

you can interpret how much better the ds gameplay is all you want and continue to make remarks about psp ports.

but havent we seen super mario before? and zelda? not to mention animal crossing and mario cart being almost ports themselves. i have seen very few games using the stylus in any manner that could be considered inovative. the only one i know of is metriod (onother one of nintendos reliable namesakes.) Dont give me all that ive played it all before psp porting games. the ds is doing the exact same thing. the only coherent difference between the systems is brand loyalty. i took the psp because of its capabilities. IMO the ds is a nothing more substantial than gba with a pen.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 13:40
» I wish I had a DS as well

PSP for homebrew, DS for piracy.



Currently, it's PSP for both. Although having a DS would be having another handheld for homebrew and piracy. (:

by darksquirrel - 2006-04-20 13:43
» thats pretty funny

i was actually making a remark to defend the psp, and you helped strengthen my point. I infact think the ds would have been much better with 1 screen, double the power with touch capabilities...having 2 screens seems a bit redundent to me. but, i'm also tired of hearing of the endless psp ports when the top titles for the ds are ports themselves.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 13:45
» psp

psp (+l l:)



is the best system ..but i really want a ds..but if psp should start getting better games like god or war(wow)..or a good ff..



i want monster hunter..



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by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 14:21
» meh

i own both,

play my ds more, but love my psp more.



my girlfriend and i play strip mario kart.



to each his own

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 15:05
» reply to #4

"The ds is superior in every way to the psp by the way, except for graphics, and those dont matter in hand helds"

Oh yea totally. DS pwns, i mean aesthetics, storage, media capabilities, game media capacity, screen resolution, sound quality, homebrew software/emulation, core hardware speeds, 3rd party software support DS beats PSP in "every way" you *****ing idiot.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 16:22
» slowness stfu

who cares how slow the psp is!!! think of when there was the ps1 and now ps2. ppl these days r impatient

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 16:41
» European sales

"As a European i want to see our market results. In Japan the ds is winning, in America its a tie but what about Europe. I know it would be hard because you would have to collect the results from different countries but i would still like to know who is doing better. I think the psp is selling better because you see more people with them than the ds however i want to know the score in the overall market"



The NDS is leading with over 1 million untis in Europe and totally trash the psp in software sale(just like japan) with for example nintendo dogs that sold over 2 million copies (the PSP doesnt even have a platinum in europe yet) .



http://www.gamebiz.com.au/nintendo/news.php?action=display&id=8302

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/nintendogs/europe-falls-for-nintendogs-155180.php



The DS and PSP my be tied in USA but the NDS i leading by big marginals in the rest of the world . And it totally trashes the psp in software sales which shouldnt come as a suprise , the current console/game ratio for PSP is actually lower than 1:2 . We all know its the games that makes the money and with the end of umd movies in sight the PSP could be in big trouble since it hasnt been profitable (or very little) for Sony yet . I wouldnt be suprised if Sony stopped producing the PSP within a year or so beacuse of its current finacial situation .

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 17:51
» i loath my psp

i totally didnt get the part where the title said "closest race since american sales of genesis vs american sales of snes"



do you not understand the point of sales? To make the parent company money! so regardless of american sales, the DS is doing far better than you'll admit with this biased info



of course, it is a psp site. what else could i expect from a bunch of morons (like me) who bought a psp

by - 2006-04-20 18:07
» Re: i loathe my psp

The point of sales is to gain the company money and increase marketshare. The Xbox lost 4 billion dollars. Does Bill Gates care? Not really. He just broke into the home console market in a huge way.



Also, was I just called biased towards the PSP? Here's some info for you buddy. I'm biased towards the DS. I write primarily for the DS and Revolution QJ blogs. I have a DS. I don't have a PSP. The PSP doesn't interest me in the slightest.



Understand what you're talking about before handing out false accusations.

by darksquirrel - 2006-04-20 20:41
» wait

we don't want to hear your biased we want to hear you're fair....or am i wrong on that?

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 22:05
» re

PSP went up by 16k. Here's the problem though.. it had way more noteworthy releases than DS in March:



Me & My Katamari

Untold Legends 2

Metal Gear Acid 2

Daxter

Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror

Mega Man Powered Up

Persuit Force (late Feb)



Not a SINGLE one of them were in the top 25 for $$$ and they all cost $40 I believe (except Mega Man).



PLUS, the "price drop" happened where you could get PSP for $200. If PSP couldn't break away from DS in March, I'm sorry to say, it never will. ESPECIALLY with the DS Lite coming out in May. I'm fairly sure DS will be outselling PSP for the rest of the year at -least- thanks to the Lite.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-20 22:07
» re

PSP sales in Japan are like this: hardware is good, software is horrible.



In most of Europe? DS is beating PSP.



And in March's NPD sales, which just came out, DS had two games in the top 25. They both sold over 100k (the first 15 games did). PSP had one title at #25.



1 PS2 KINGDOM HEARTS II Square Enix

2 360 T. CLANCYS GHOST RECON: ADVANCED WARFIGHTER Ubi Soft

3 360 ELDER SCROLLS IV: OBLIVION Take 2 Interactive

4 PS2 BLACK Electronic Arts

5 360 ELDER SCROLLS IV:OBLIVION CE Take 2 Interactive

6 360 FIGHT NIGHT ROUND 3 Electronic Arts

7 PS2 MLB '06: THE SHOW Sony

8 PS2 FIGHT NIGHT ROUND 3 Electronic Arts

9 XBX BLACK Electronic Arts

10 PS2 THE GODFATHER: THE GAME Electronic Arts

11 GCN SONIC RIDERS Sega

12 PS2 GUITAR HERO BUNDLE Red Octane

13 360 BURNOUT REVENGE Electronic Arts

14 NDS METROID PRIME: HUNTERS Nintendo

15 NDS SUPER PRINCESS PEACH Nintendo

16 360 THE OUTFIT THQ

17 360 CALL OF DUTY 2 Activision

18 XBX THE GODFATHER: THE GAME Electronic Arts

19 XBX FIGHT NIGHT ROUND 3 Electronic Arts

20 360 BLAZING ANGELS: SQUADRONS OF WWII Ubi Soft

21 PS2 24: THE GAME Take 2 Interactive

22 PS2 GOD OF WAR Sony

23 360 COLLEGE HOOPS 2K6 Take 2 Interactive

24 PS2 ONIMUSHA: DAWN OF DREAMS Capcom

25 PSP MLB '06: THE SHOW Sony



And that is by $$$. Keep in mind those two DS games are $35. PSP games are usually no less than $40.



Now here is the top 20 in terms of units sold:



1 Kingdom Hearts II PS2 Square Enix

2 Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter Xbox3 60 Ubisoft

3 Black PS2 Electronic Arts

4 Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Xbox 360 2K Games

5 MLB '06: The Show PS2 SCEA

6 Fight Night Round 3 PS2 Electronic Arts

7 Black Xbox Electronic Arts

8 The Godfather PS2 Electronic Arts

9 Fight Night Round 3 Xbox 360 Electronic Arts

10 God of War PS2 SCEA

11 Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Xbox 360 2K Games

12 Metroid Prime: Hunters DS Nintendo

13 Sonic Riders GC Sega

14 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas PS2 Rockstar Games

15 Super Princess Peach DS Nintendo

16 The Godfather Xbox Electronic Arts

17 Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence PS2 Konami

18 Fight Night Round 3 Xbox Electronic Arts

19 Gran Turismo 4 PS2 SCEA

20 24: The Game PS2 2K Games



Of course I dunno 21-25, so MLB The Show for PSP could still be there. (It's probably 26-29 though.)



And now the March hardware sales numbers:



NDS 184K

PSP 186K

GBA 201K



Here is February's (no GBA numbers available):



DS = 150,000

PSP = 170,000

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-21 04:52
» thing

U nintendo-fanboys are so stupid. Why play at a console with slower processor than a speaker?

With games like Mario, Nintendogs who are games that are going to get 300 followers like: Nintendogs Party, Pinball, sunshine*****ii ng*****inthehel l?



Do something right: Buy a PSP

by Deletegmc - 2006-04-21 06:16
» Euopean Sales

Thanks for the european sales i didnt realise the ds was doing so well. I am not really surprised though considering that europe was shafterd by sony concerning a release date and the price. Dont get me wrong i love my psp but europeans always get screwed

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-21 09:37
» RE: #79

Wow, you're an idiot. The only thing you care about is power, no wonder you bought a PSP. I know many people who bought a PSP, and the only reason they use it is to show off that it can play music, videos and has good graphics.



The PSP was selling a lot during the beginning of it's life because it had good graphics and games that were on consoles. The DS caught up and pwned it in games, and it will continue to pwn it. The games that come out for PSP are just one big dissapointment after a next.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-21 10:12
» This is dumb. Psp games suck.

The Metal Gear Acid games and Ultimate Ghouls n Ghosts are the only reason i havent sold my psp yet. Nahhhh, i wouldnt ever sell my psp, not with homebrew capabilities as they currently are but what im saying is that there are barely any game that are good at all on the psp.



Metal Gear Acid (1 and 2)

Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories (which will no doubtedly be better done on the ps2 when its realeased)

Lumines

Syphon Filter and Daxter MAYBE



Compared to DS's...

Mario Kart DS

Warioware Touched

Metroid Prime: Hunters

Brain Age

Tetris DS

Kirby Canvas Curse

Advanced Wars: Dual Strike

Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow

NOT TO MENTION the unreleased New Super Mario Bros. and The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass.



Are those games more child oriented? Yeah.

Do they kill the pants off of anything on the psp, gameplay-wise? Yeah.



Come on guys. Its not about hardware, its about the software and psp just doesnt have it.



Oh, and to those idiots saying Nintendo is releasing rehashes as well, aside from Super Mario 64 (on ds) and Super Mario Sunshine (on gc), you couldnt be further from the truth. Yes, Nintendo releases games starring the same characters but the games themselves are different in major ways after every release. Stop trying to make excuses for laziness on sony's part.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-21 14:18
» re

"The Metal Gear Acid games and Ultimate Ghouls n Ghosts are the only reason i havent sold my psp yet. Nahhhh, i wouldnt ever sell my psp, not with homebrew capabilities as they currently are but what im saying is that there are barely any game that are good at all on the psp."



I'd like to point out that PSP doesn't have a decent MAME port or even attempted a Neogeo MVS games

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-21 14:19
» re

if you want a system for homebrew only, a GP2X is a good choice for thizzat.



Really, I don't even see how there is a debate here. One of them is an open source system with limitless possibilities, and one is a closed source console with half-assed emulators shoved into it.



The GP2X can essentially run any Linux software available, it just needs to be cross-compiled to ARM and linked with the GP2X's hardware API library.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-21 17:34
» Used to be a psp fanboy

I originally bought a psp over the ds and went so far as to call the ds names like "baby system" and "crap" because my friends kept telling me how good it was and that psp sucked. I was so angry at them because I knew I had the superior hardware. I eventually got into homebrew and thought it was the best thing ever. But then Sony got stupid and released firmware updates so now my psp is still 1.5 and I can't play any new games. Not like I want to, cause there are no good ones. So in light of this, I bought a ds a few months ago and now I own a ds lite. I have metroid, bleach, children of mana, mario kart, castelvania and tetris. I have hardly put the ds down and play wifi every night. Sony needs to wake up and embrace homebrew while they work on some new and original games . The psp is much more powerful which is nice but means nothing in the end. For a little extra money I can buy a 4gb flash drive for my lite that can run homebrew/mp3's and movies which makes my reason for owning a psp void. It is really frustrating to have such a beautiful piece of hardware and not be using it. I will never sell my psp but the thought has come to mind more than once. I honestly don't think I will ever buy another PSP game and might just ignore the PS3 completly if this is how the games are going to be. Flame me all you want but my eyes are open, Sony doesn't care about us. I doubt they even care about games period. They will probably remain #1 with the ps3 but the revolution will have way better possibilties while being inferior to the ps3. Console wars suck, but Nintendo DS is dominating the PSP in every aspect everywhere. I predict the lite will swallow the psp entirely.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-22 06:43
» wow

wow

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-22 06:47
» wow

used to be a psp fanboy is so right the psp dosn't suck but sony could have done better seeing that sony is a multi-Billion dollar companny im ashamed my self 2 ouw a psp

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-22 07:22
» I own both a PSP & a DS

I bought the PSP the day it came out and I was OBSESSED with all the possibilites of over-clocking and homebrew. And I tried so hard to retain my interest in the system and I loved taking pics/music around in a beautiful screen, but the games just didn't do it for me (not even Syphon Filter...). A handheld should not have load times like some of the PSP games do. I, like most, would have sworn that the NDS was an insanely lame gimmick marketed at kids, but when Mario Kart DS came out I bought the bundle and haven't touched the PSP since. Whether it be a quick Tetris DS game, a full battle in Advance Wars DS or WIFI Metroid Prime: Hunters, I believe that DS games are so damn addictive. The PSP has awesome potential and amazing specs but the DS turned me into a Nintendo fanboy. Seriously, if you don't have a DS, hold out until the DS Lite comes out and give it a try. The PSP is sexier, but the DS really is delivers in gaming and innovation. I'll be buying a DS Lite as well (never thought I'd buy 2 versions of the exact same handheld).

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-22 21:54
» @ # 83

About the Neo·Geo MVS emulator, it can't really be done because of the lack of RAM. MVS cartridges could be really big in size, and the PSP can't handle that. You have the Neo·Geo CD emulator, though.

by Anonymous Coward - 2006-04-23 01:05
» Why is the Nintendo DS even in the picture

In Australia the NDS has like no sales. I know 1 person with an NDS. and he's moved to Scotland.

by ninjya - 2006-04-27 12:07
» Owner of both.

I got to say.



Homebrew scene for psp are much more advanced then the ds counterpart.



So if you are only into homebrew then psp is the choise.



About real games though. I have GTA and Lumines to the PSP. Lumines is darn good i got to say. But thats about it for me. The only thing i look forward to is the ps1 emulator to play old rpgs i missed (not to many i missed).



While the DS Lite is with me where ever i go.

The games are so addicting its freaking insane.

Try playing Oueandan or Band brothers for a day and say you didnt enjoy it. It's impossible. So for the people actuallt wanting a handheld to play games on instead of homebrew the DS is the right choise.

by TheProfessor - 2006-04-28 08:10
» All will change come Christmas time.

I am not a fanboy buy want to point out some obvious and not so obvious changes that will turn the tables around for the PSP.



These will change the outcome, make no doubt it:



* PS1 playback

* Loco Roco and more original realeased

* Some decent RPGs from Squeenix and friends

* Flash on PSP - (free games for casual gamers)

* Cheap online distribution of games and minigames!

* PS3!

* White PSP on the west along with Price Drop



The psp came out a lot later in the market and it's price point and lack of blockbuster games are hurting it. Of course hurting is not really that bad as it's actually doing incredible well just not as well as the DS worldwide. But make no mistake Sony is making a bundle on it.



NDS domination days in japan are quite numbered. In the west where it's pretty much a tie you will see an amazing shift towards the PSP. The stats will be incredibly different come christmas time.

by Dazzer - 2006-04-30 02:35
» PSP EASY!!

Its simple you wanna play cute little kiddy games like brushing your dog or play tetris get a lame DS

You want full on gameing SOCOM 16 On-line etc (The games are comming now)and full multimedia Its simply gotta be a PSP.

by i dunno - 2006-04-30 07:05
» yer i agree

i agree wiv post 95 cus you can play like gta on psp which is a 18+ game and the max age for the nin ds is is like a 12+ which is crap i have both and if i had the choice of which one i am goin to carry around wid me its would b the psp its got amazing good grafics btta than the ds! well post 95 sums up wot i said!! good on ya Dazzer!

by me - 2006-05-04 05:34
» actions speak louder than words

even tho you say the psp is better in the sense that its geared towardds older audience... world wide..... ds smashes the psp..... who would of figured.. lol but take into account differnt cultures differnt prefences..... i think that in the US the psp is the better system as a whole.... but i cant say fo the rest of the world..... oh well :/.... maybe this means that the rest of the world is childish???? lol US rules!!! rofl

by Kiam S. - 2006-05-06 01:19
» I've seen the PSP!

The PSP is just a rip off any regular ipod.I've managed to get my hands an ipod nano which is much better than PSP.What's different with the PSP!?No one cared when cell phones had gotten all those functions or ipods or any other system!But if the PSP is the same damn thing whats to be exicted about!?I've had more fun with my cell phone games!While DS on the other hand is not the same!Although it has a touchscreen thats not the point!The touch screen interacts with games.Not like any other PDA.There are millions and even over billions of possibilities!S o what if it may be a gimmck kind of...!At least it's good and it has some very immpressive visuals !Don't look at Mario Kart for graphics!Look at Metriod,Need for Speed,Nintendog s,SpilterCell and more!Eventually DS will have all PSP's functions but made even better with DS functions to the mix to inhaunce it!And unlike regular PDA's DS's screen won't wear down over with activity over use. Plus Nintendo beats PSP by hundreds of great functions!So don't judge now!Wait till DS unlocks it's true capabilities!Wh en will you ignorant sony fan boys learn it's about quality,fun,and possibilities!W ait.. what am I saying sony fan boys won't listen ...I bet you'll try to use eye toy as an excuse if I'm mistaken...Well that won't cover it!

by Kiam S. - 2006-05-06 02:03
» PSP is the same as the ipod or cell phone!

Plus!I already have aPSP!When I first got it I was hoping it would be bursting out with good Games and I thought multimedia would be great!But It's bursting out with *****!Excuse my language,but personally you can't call those games!Multimedi a ain't so great!I look at photos !It gets boring...I listen to music!Dull!I browse the internet!It doesn't have enough memory or isn't compatible with site!Watch Movies!Stale!An d don't let me get started on the games!Of course the graphics are great, but the gameplay is a different story...*****!That's how it is !Listen...I was once like a PSP fanboy ...I thought it was better than DS becausee it had those functions!But man oh man I was wrong!Now excuse me! let me play the best racing game of 2005 that beat Burn Out!That's right ,Mario Kart DS!This is proof that good gameplay,qualit y,and possbilities is far supirior to flashy graphics and that multi media crap!

by Katie M. - 2006-05-07 09:34
» Fangirls love the DS!!

Well, it looks like the fanboys love the psp, but the fangirls definitely prefer the Nintendo DS! we much prefer gameplay, fun and the sociability of the DS over the graphics/power of the psp! I'm assuming that this could be the reason for the huge DS sales in Japan, as there are probably as many female gamers as male there. The untapped market of female gamers in US/Europe seems potentially huge, and if it's ever realised, then the DS will wipe the floor with the PSP! The PSP market of targeting 20-something men seems to be stagnating.....:)

by Juan Cruz - 2006-05-08 22:31
» PSP rules in Philippines

oh boy, i just wanted to sa this, theres a PSP craze in our country. Sorry Nintendo

by Chris Bibby - 2006-05-08 22:34
» really huh

man, u forgot to add up Malaysia, Thailand, and Indonesia

by Onyok - 2006-05-08 22:39
» Lite?

i wonder why nintendo is going to release DS lite, maybe its because the old DS model didnt impressed the consumers,again .... sorry nintendo

by KeonS. - 2006-05-10 14:41
» I agree with Katie M.

At first I did'nt believe but now I believe that girls have greater minds than boys.They think outside the box of ignorants.And nintendo did'nt make DS for just kids...they made it for everyone.Y do u think they make games like Yoshis Touch & Go for girls.And Metroid Prime Hunters for boys.I take TIME & LISTEN TO THE PROFESSIONAL CRITICS.jUST WATCH X-PLAY AND SEE HOW MUCH GREAT AND PERFECT DS GAMES THERE R OUT THERE & HOW FEW GOOD PSP GAMES THAT U PSP FANS THINK WERE GOOD OUT THERE.(AND BESIDES WIPEPURE IS BORING AND IT GOT A 2.)tHE ONLY PERFECT PSP GAME WAS LUMMINES.WHILE THERE ARE PLENTY OF PERFECT DS GAMES lIKE CASTLE VANNIA(WHICH WAS BETTER THAN THE PS2 VERSION.)SONIC RUSH,MARIO KART,SUPER MARIO 64 DS,MPH,WARIOWAR E,ANIMAL CROSSING:WILD WORLD,NINTENDOG S,ADVANCED WARS:DUAL STRIKE,Mr.DRILLER, AND O'SO MUCH MORE.AND U PSP FANBOYS SHOULD GET A DS AND THE BEST GAMES FOR IT.THEY'RE TIGHT!BE A REVOLUTIONIZED GAMER.I'VE GOT BOTH AND SONY ''DOES NOT KNOW WHAT IT'S DOING!''THEY SHOULD GET OUT THE HANDHELD WAR BEFORE STARFOX AND ZELDA HIT THE DS!OR SMASH BROS.,OR F-ZERO,OR FIRE EMBLEM,OR EARTHBOUND.TRY ANEW WAY GAMING.FOR ONCE.FOR AMERICA,FOR JAPAN,FOR AUSTRILIA,FOR EUROPE AND THE REST OF THE WORLD.HOW IS THAT BOYS PLAY GAMES MORE THAN GIRLS...BUT GIRLS..............THEY HAVE A BETTER TASTE IN GAMES?

by Kiam S. - 2006-05-29 12:47
» DS destroyed the PS.

DS is not childish!It's got games for everyone.From E to M ratings.PSP doesn't have quality games.Alright here are some of my descriptions of the 2 handhelds:DS and PSP both have great graphics.DS doesn't have graphics quite as good as the PSP's but it's graphics are really good and produce very impressive 3d visuals.The DS can pull off any PSP game.But for graphics,I'd say there both equal.For design I choose the psp but DS lite has a better design than both.And games,well the DS.PSP doesn't have enough actual goodgames to make a difference.Only 4.While DS has over 100's of good and mostly perfect games.While the PSP out numbers the DS in games but the games aren't good at all.I traded in my PSP and can't even miss it!Price doesn't matter.The PS2 outstoled the gamecube even though it was much more exspensive.The PSP is no excuse specially since the price is lowering.DS is also getting multimedia so sony is in trouble.Nintendo will always patrol the handheld market and soon the console market.

by KeonS.* - 2006-05-29 13:01
» Stop *****in!!!!

Ya'll PSP FANBOYS need to stop *****in on my homes Mario,my lady Samus, & my main man Link.And my best friend:Nintendo & its DS.sO WHAT psp IS LIL' MO POWERFUL.But those games PSP got can't compete with that pimp Mario.That hustila Link.Or that baby girl Samus.Nintendo foreva dawg...Nintendo foreva...ya PSP *****es....

by Hans - 2006-10-08 23:42
» To number 25 and the numerous others with similar comments:

All my friends would rather have a Nintendo DS Lite rather than a PSP. Why? Because PSP games are more expensive, Because the PSP itself is more expensive, Because, ffs, THE SONY COMPANY IS HUGE AND EVIL!



What *****. The PSP is way better, and that's just my opinion, because of the kinds of games i play.



I don't really care a damn about small little pure cartoony characters like Mario, Luigi, and Donkey Kong... i prefer games like FIFA, God of War, Gun, Tekken, Devil May Cry, and GTA.



I seriously don't understand why some people play the exact same games that were played with just as much hype ten years ago.



and please don't comment on the price difference, kthnx

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