There was one in Finland, not to long ago... did we already forget this?



Bowling for Columbine brings up no points at all. Taking away guns doesn't solve gun crime, because then the only people with guns are CRIMINALS (and the police).

It is easy to get guns. Maybe too easy. But we should never get rid of guns completely. Most of the shootings were thought out and planned. They didnt just snap and happen to own a gun. A lot of the shooters went out just for the purpose of the shooting. Even if you make guns illegal they will be in country. Weed is illegal and probally everyone in my school has access to it if they wanted any. So they would find a way to get a gun anyway. By allowing civilians to own guns, you increase the chance that someone will be able to take out a shooter when a officer isn't readily available. Imagine if we issued everyone a gun. What they do with it is up to them. Keep it, sell it, throw it away, whatever. Criminals would have in their mind that everyone might have a gun. So crime would deffinately go down. You don't hear of shootings in huge gun conventions. And do you know why? Because even the criminals that came to purchase guns know that if they shoot someone, there will be guns aimed at them from every angle. Also we can't make guns illegal because of our constitutional rights. We have a right to own guns in case our government gets out of hand and we need to overthrow it to put it back into check.

It is not the guns or the games. It is the person using the gun that should be to blame. A gun is useless without the user.

It's neither guns nor video games. It's the inherent uncorrected psychotic behavior. Solve that problem, and there wouldn't be a NEED for guns.

I sure hope everyone KNEW this Guns are meant for protecting and defense in any case. Games are meant for fun and entertainment. Just like any of our other problems in the world the cause is by misusing these things.....its us its the people of this world that F*** everything up people need to stop blaming random s*** and find the REAL problem and F***ing fix it

BINGO! The video games nor the guns nor the kids are the problem (well, the kids ar partly the problem). Most of the problem lies on the parent(s).



POS parents raising POS kids.

XEnigmaX wrote "It is the most crime ridden part of the country because guns are banned within the city limits".



i don't believe that's really the case. the gun ban was introduced because crime rates were terrible and getting out of control. it was already crime ridden before the ban, so all you can really say about the gun ban is that it didn't have the desired effect. in otherwords, it didn't cause crime to rise, it only failed to prevent it from rising. :|



for such a ban to be effective, it needs to be across the whole country, not just specific states or counties. this is the case with countries like britain, where although gun crime is rising, it's still a drop in the ocean compared to the US thanks to guns being illegal throughout the whole country. :|



back on topic, i do agree with this report. it's not the fault of videos games, since these crimes happen due to the ease of which certain individuals can get hold of guns, and would happen even if video games never existed.

Yes, this comment is meant to be humorous (...somewhat):



Parents have no choice but to blame others. After all, you can't really "parent" your kids anymore. I'm 32 and when I was young had I even THOUGHT about touching my dads guns....HOLY CRAP I would have had a beating coming to me. Also, I would have lost "trust" with him which was WORSE then the beating.



Spoiled rotten, don't give a sh1t kids are the biggest problem. Add the fact that you can't spank your kids without fear of abuse and you have a situation that gets worse by the generation.



The number of kids who tell their parents NO keeps getting higher and higher with every passing year. The level of respect is in such a massive decline I doubt any form of policy will ever fix it. The ban of NO SPANKING being lifted sure as sh1t would help.



Kids these days have nothing to fear. It's normal human nature to be a little bad. Granted, it's not a given but it is normal. We're kept in line through fear. Fear of prosecution, jail, punishment....death penalty. For the most part decent morals but who's to say decent morals are passed on? What do kids have to fear? Nothing. No jail, no punishment. Ground them and they run away, then what? The police just bring them right back for them to run away again. What's the point? The government forces it's people to keep their kids but then they dictate what you can and can not do? I sure as in hell didn't vote for no spankings! Anyone here? What group of liberal pansies voted for that crap?



My kids are too young right now, but when the diapers come off, spankings will get dealt as they're needed. Send me to jail, at least I wont be responsible for a shooter.

You just killed the US Army's budget and raised everyones taxes throught the roof!



Smooth move! :)

so yeah, if i haven't said enough yet, it is perhaps the people who'd rather be friends with their children instead of being a parent, I think in the fast food, tough guy, big pimpin' world, image is more important to most rather than common sense.

everyone lives in permanent debt and pretend they are something they are not, i did it too - now i do not. So drive your SUV, make fun of others and destroy our planet. people laugh at Al Gore, why? look at the facts. we are well on our way to self-destruction. I heard the other day a group of third graders were charged for planning on killing their teacher... are you kidding me? 8 year olds are planning murders? and we're going to try them as adults! they are EIGHT!, if they can get charged as a adult maybe we should let them vote and drink and smoke like adults too!



I like the comment about stupid parents raising stupid kids. that couldn't be more dead on target.



and since i'm hopping all over every subject i think i'll piss in someone else's cheerios by letting you know that CHEVY is Sh*t, predesigned obsolescence. wish i could take a gun after all of that road trash Shi.......



there are no answers, just try to live your life as best you can, ignore all the dumb sh*t and try to treat everyone with respect even if they are idiots.





now go ahead and pick me apart, I welcome the conflict.;)

go into a crowded room and kill 20 people with a hammer or butter knife.

i bet ya any money someone stops you before you get to 2 maybe 3.

you dont have to be standing next to the person with a gun and thats the issue, if you wanted you just stand back and spray the room.

its a tool yes, a tool designed to kill and theres no other purpose.

i believe no one should have to right to own something thats only purpose is to end life.

...so some of you disagree, thats fine its to be expected and i respect that, but at least someone could say w-h-y they disagree.

It's the parents fault for not raising their children correctly, same as with any other situation like this.



Don't sluff off the blame to firearms, parents, take some responsibility.

that would mean government regulation of the distribution and selling of bullets. How many people already own guns illegally? How easy is it to buy cocaine? If bullets cost 5000 dollars at the store people would just buy it on the street and/or smuggle it in from other countries for cheaper.

why would you want eneyone to carry concealed weapons ???? besides how would you know someone was sane because people when they are angry are much more different when they are calm

true using pain as a detterent works if i touch fire and it hurts i dont touch fire again (human instinct) if i am rude abusive or commit a crime and i am hit because of that human instinct dictates i wont do it again.

"I could take out a s**tload of people with a hammer, or a butter knife,"

HAHAHA!!! That's a good one. Someone's been watching too much TV.



"they murder to "liberate""

You speak of the "truth" yet you don't dish any of it out. There are two realities to choose from:



1. Do Nothing - Allow people to Murder for Murder.

2. Do Something - Murder to Liberate those that are innocent.



Sorry bud, the majority will always choose "basic human rights" over propaganda any day.



"the US gov. is in charge of everyone worldwide"

That's a down right lie.



"oh yeah, it's ok to get drunk and run over children whilst beating the sh*t out of your wife,. right?"

Um..NO, it's NOT. People can have 1-2 drinks every couple of hours and not be impaired. Someone who has 1-2 joints every couple of hours is completely impaired. Get your facts straight before spouting nonsense.



http://justinsomnia.org/2006/05/how-much-can-i-drink-and-still-drive-safely-and-legally/

im pretty sure the ratio of people killed with guns is hoigher than butterknifes but please forgive me as i have no statistic that can prove it

As usual Mr. Nonsense is incapable of following along.

Oh noes!!! Now he's going to report you and your death threat...HAHAHAHA!!!!!!! !



That was awesome, thanks for the laugh!

"you don't have to be standing next to the person with a gun and thats the issue, if you wanted you just stand back and spray the room."



---Is this the issue?



Games4James



---Global warming precedes a ice age, i could be wrong?



isohaven



"I could take out a s**tload of people with a hammer, or a butter knife,"

HAHAHA!!! That's a good one. Someone's been watching too much TV.



---I do watch too much tv, americans watch average over 12 yrs eight months of tv in their lifetimes., we all watch to much tv - i'm sure that's why people kill people. glad we finally got to the bottom of that one!



"they murder to "liberate""

You speak of the "truth" yet you don't dish any of it out. There are two realities to choose from:



---I don't have the time or gumption to dish it all out, i'm not planning on making forum posting my full time job. It's cool you give us the TWO options, now it's easy.;) it looks like we found a third option - argue about what is what in a post.



Sorry bud, the majority will always choose "basic human rights" over propaganda any day.



---the majority have nothing to do with any real worldly decisions, they are just led to believe so.



"the US gov. is in charge of everyone worldwide"

That's a down right lie.



---is it? tell me what our country can't do if "IT" wanted to?



"oh yeah, it's ok to get drunk and run over children whilst beating the sh*t out of your wife,. right?"

Um..NO, it's NOT. People can have 1-2 drinks every couple of hours and not be impaired.



---i get a very good buzz off about 1 1/2 beers because it's about a month or so until i do it again. it is not safe for me or anyone in front of my car, so i don't drive like that. you like to tell people what you think huh? do you have a job or is this it?



Someone who has 1-2 joints every couple of hours is completely impaired. Get your facts straight before spouting nonsense.



---eat your own words my friend.

i smoke two joints in the morning, i smoke two joints at night...



badrider



"now go ahead and pick me apart, I welcome the conflict.;)" wow well done bravo my friend you have closed that off quite nicely by putting this sentence here you have proved to me that you are indeed a self rightious manical decendent of a human being now i say this with no basis but by putting that there you feel anyone who replys to this is doing as you wish so im guessing that you feel you are smart, one of the clever individuals who is to intelligent to be put to any kind of rebuttle,



---are you a shrink?, i think you got me figured out - good job. The only reason you would come to that conclusion is because that is what YOU think.



you take a philosophers point of view in saying all humans are evil



---Is that what i am saying?



that weapons are created by the powerful to control others



---uh drrr



my question is why? you no doubt feel its your place even dare i say duty to point out that only you can see problems ahead



---I said all that? hmmm



i have no god but i still trust everything happens for a reason. one of earliest human instincts is to care for others so why is it that you feel those that say they will/want to help you are your enemies



---for pure financial/political reasons, why do you think that 99 people will drive by and watch you fix a flat and only one MIGHT stop to help? i never said they were my enemies - i still live here and i pay taxes, i am stimulating thought.



so my friend and chum my compadre please do tell me how we should run our lives god help us should we be left to our own means again because like you we shall be faltered as those that you call your oppresors are in fact the only reason we are truely free please do me a favour and keep your rants going but remember this if goverments truely oppress us how is it you and i debate freely without consequence?



---like i said before - how important is what we are talking about?



how is it that you know so much?



---I'm kinda smart;)



remember there are two types of people those that do evil to acomplish good and those that do good to accom

"---I do watch too much tv, americans watch average over 12 yrs eight months of tv in their lifetimes., we all watch to much tv - i'm sure that's why people kill people. glad we finally got to the bottom of that one!"



That's a pretty good side step. However, going back to the originating comment, a butter knife is a poor argument for gun control. BTW, I do not watch too much TV. Thanks for proving your ability to give unsubstantiated information.



"---I don't have the time or gumption to dish it all out, i'm not planning on making forum posting my full time job. It's cool you give us the TWO options, now it's easy.;) it looks like we found a third option - argue about what is what in a post."



Another good side step. Only this one had no point. Oh wait... I guess it wasn't that good after all???



"---the majority have nothing to do with any real worldly decisions, they are just led to believe so."



HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow, we have a winner here! You must be a pothead like Mr. Nonsense.



"---is it? tell me what our country can't do if "IT" wanted to?"



Are you serious? Do you want just one? Shutdown piratebay (this one is good because America wants to!). You want another? Break down the cabinet of ministers in Sweden and tell everyone they will adopt our constitution. Want another one? Knock on every Chinese persons door, hold out our hand and wait for the immediate and full payment of every piece of software in that household......I could go on all night. The US is NOT in charge of everyone in the world. Such talk is borderline psychotic.



"you like to tell people what you think huh? do you have a job or is this it?"

Um...I don't know if you noticed this or not, but this is a PUBLIC FORUM. Are you serious? Or do you just feel stupid now and have to come up with "something"? Either way, what I wrote is not only what I think, it's proven. Go check the facts yourself. Start with the one I gave you. Just like your bogus butter knife argument, ANYTHING can be abused. There is no valid reason to ban liquor. However, you don't have to abuse pot to get high.



"i smoke two joints in the morning, i smoke two joints at night..."

Wow! I swear I'm responding as I'm reading.... Did I call it or what!?!?!?!?! Thanks for proving my point. Your paranoid schizophrenia is obvious and now we have a cause.



However, this topic is not about pot. Leave it to Mr. Nonsense to even bring it up. If you want to talk about the long term mental effects of pot then find me outside this domain. Or research it yourself. BTW, you replying and stating there are no mental effects will not work.

There are many assumptions that can be derived from your childish response. Let's look at them shall we?



1. You came back to this thread after 12 days to post that crap. Why? Because you feel like an ass for having posted what you posted and you wanted to get in one last little jab while you THOUGHT no one was looking. That makes you a low grade pu$$y with absolutely no spine. Well, it backfired on you because I receive an email each time this page changes. Better luck next time!



2. You now claim that everything you've said was for not. On one side that's good. Now everyone knows flat out that you're full of crap. On the other side you claim everything you said should have been detected as what you call sarcasm. That's a load of bull and you are an outright liar. For example:



"the majority have nothing to do with any real worldly decisions, they are just led to believe so."



There is absolutely no hint or sense of sarcasm in that sentence. Especially since a good chunk of people in our population believe as such. Some of what you wrote seemed like it was coming from a grade school child but none the less, everything you wrote was addressed. Which, by the way, is leaps and bounds more then could be said about yourself.



3. I would bet top dollar your little punt at the end was nothing more then a way for you get more sleep at night.



4. Thank you for proving that the things you say are worthless and have no meaning. Thanks for proving you are a liar and in the future I'm sure no one will ever regard anything you say again as feasible or real.



5. Take a look at all your ratings..... now take a look at everyone else's rating..... You fail and you KNOW IT which it why you posted again 12 days later.



"guns are bad - if idiots shoot them off like some people shoot off their mouths., with no real sense of direction, just wherever, whenever, whatever."



That's funny!!! Seeing as how you just proclaimed that everything you've said was shot off with "no real sense of direction, just wherever, whenever, whatever."

I'm right? About which ones? They weren't ALL suppose to be right. If they're ALL right then holy crap!!!! What a loser!!!



HAHAHA.....



(here's where you cry again about having been "sarcastic")