NZD and USD are completely different.



140 New Zealand dollars + 70.75600 U.S. dollars



So it's not THAT overpriced.

But the games were still around that price before the US dollar failed miserably

haha um this guy is a *****, I think the rules down here are all gud as is and theres no need to change them. We are having a ***** time here at the moment koz of the proposed section 92a which means your IP are supposed cut your internet if you are "ACCUSED" of downloading copywrighted material. OMG IM PISSED!!!

This a$$ brings shame on us New Zealander's. Like the rest of the world, I'd like to think of NZ as a relaxed place when it comes to censorship *as we love violence in games as much as everyone else*, but this jerk belong in Australia with their crazy censors!



But i guess this nothing compared to the **** internet laws they're trying to pass.



There are too many ****wits tied up in the beurocratic games, trying to advance their own careers and not giving a flying **** about the common man who love to download pron and play violent games!

Should both be fined for this stuff. I've said before on here there's a reason that we have a ratings system, it's so kids get to have a childhood. When they're older they have a core personality which was based around inocence. Giving underaged children pornographic or violent material damages their psyche. Our laws recognise that a child can not be charged as an adult for an offense because of this time we call childhood where inocent mistakes can be made and forgiven.

Sex acts is quite another, kids will go out and fool around with each other before puberty even given exposure to pornagraphic material.

They're just playing generally but it can mess kids up for life, take a look at Britney's hurtling trainwreck a couple of years ago, that's a prime example of what carnal knowledge can do at too young an age.

1. The ratings system is NOT A LAW. There should not be fines.

2. Childhood is defined arbitrarily.

3. Jack Thompson does not want to ban games. He wants the ratings system to be legally enforced.

now hurry up and kill it before it gets the chance to Breed!

This is just common sense, a bill like this should be in place already, not as severe as he is saying but along similar lines, its just bad bloody parenting to let underage kids buy games that are not suitable for them and shops that sell them to kids should be prosecuted too

You know I am actually against the death penalty but ageism promoting bastards like these seriously need to be shot in the head. Someone needs to blow the olive sized brains in these idiots heads right the ***** out.

does he go on drugs?

Yeah but some kids don't know the difference between good and bad. Were not all the same.

I am 28 and I have been playing video games as part of my life since I got my first Atari when I was about 6. I myself have graduated from college, and I am in a career I love.

But there are still the ***** ups, like the kid that shot his parents over halo. Some kids aren't as smart. It's really hard to draw the line.

Some parents depend on using the TV and video games to babysit and that's where the problem starts to kick in.

That's you, not all people are the same. Simply put, if you can disagree with there being some restrictions on games, or tv, for kids then you must not be a parent.

Absolutely not!



You took what I am saying out of context. Younger age groups don't have the same type of life experience. The line between what is right and what is wrong is not as clear as it might be for a typical adult.

What I am saying is that younger minds are much more fragile and should not be tainted by crime, violence, horrible language and drugs.

Also it is not just 17 year olds that are affected by this, but also young children like 6 year olds whose parents do not know any better.

The debate can go forever, and this isn't solely based on age. There are a number of factors that matter.



In the end sheltering our kids from the bad things in life, and making sure they grow up to be good people, that is what a parents job is.

To debate that would be surely be impossible for any parent that loves their children.

I've never stolen from the store, so I don't understand why Walmart has all that detection stuff to stop people from stealing...I agree that all games with a M rating should not be sold to children. But if a parent feels their child is mature enough to play a M game, then they have that right. There is a line between protection and controlling, and i think this one passes it. If we cant trust parents, then all kids should be raised in camps...jk

p.s im from NZ to

All this does is encourage further piracy.



The games are already overpriced to ***** in the pacific region and add in further politically based restrictions like this will only further people's resolve to acquire what they want by other means.



Kids are not stupid, but their parents usually are. Yes, they'll listen to this polly and may even decide the pull the pin on future purchases which will only encourage little Johnny to fire up bit torrent instead.



Well done.

Exactly, and I like your idea about the "curtained" section for games.

I also agree with you about making sure children have an actual childhood. Carnal knowledge at a young age definitely is not a good thing. As well as that the reason that we have laws that prevent a child from being trialled as an adult is because the expectation is that a child didn't really know what he was doing. A kid who has been trained to kill efficiently in a movie or in a computer game on the other hand turns all that on it's head.

Just because you've got country envy doesn't give you the right to bag Australia.

Go hev some fush and chups and sittle down.

"I want to make sure this poor black man has a good 'job'." as they would say back in the 1800s to persons who were against slavery. I am guessing that 'childhood' is the 21st century equivelent. Please do describe your idea of 'childhood' and why you think that every single human being wants one, as you seem to know exactly what every single human being wants.

You have a point.....because if the gov doesn't trust parents to make the right decision, than ya, why mess around with these little restrictions.....just throw everyone in camps.



We are all products of our environment. As children our environment is controlled by our parents. So the kid that shot his parents over halo, I blame the parents....if he was raised properly that would not have been a problem. It does not have anything to do with being stupid or not.



Raise two children in two different rooms.....one watches people helping other people in different situations all day....this is all he knows. The other watches people maim and kill people in different situations, this is all he knows. Let them out into the world at 18, and see how they react.....since they don't know anybetter one will help one will hurt. It's up to the parents to tell kids this is fictional, this is bad, this is good, this is reality....blah blah blah.....



If parents are not involved....ya, might as well put all kids in camps.

Back in Black + White TV age some parents were trying to stop kids from watching The Three Stooges. Because, some kids know not to hit a person over the head with a hammer, but what about the others kids who might copy it?



When I was a kid only Atari 2600 was out, so not too real violence in video games, but I did sneak porn mags since 6yrs old :) I let my 7yr old son play Grand theft auto 4. Yep, because as a good parent of a smart kid I taught my son right from wrong. He knows video games aren't real (just like star wars isn't real).



I have no more fear of my son being violent from video games, then I'm scared he's going to push a safe on my head because he watched "Tom + Jerry" cartoon!

When you have your own little island where you can have your pedophile friendly laws good luck with that buddy. I dare say America will probably nuke your 4ss for it though (unless you live on another planet, then the Republican Space Rangers will get you instead). No one is ever going to accept that children don't need a childhood. The way you're going a kid who accidentally kills his friend or family member after coming across his Dad's gun would be charged as an adult.

I personally don't live in NZ but I know a few that do and apperently this prick seems to be setting a lot of messed up things First the Internet thing and now video games. I remember NZ was a country that wasn't big on restrictions but ever since this prick came there sure seem to be alot more restrictions being made by this ass.

I didnt read the artical but I agree that underage kids should not be playing adult games.

Why do you think they get so censored in the first place? Coz they know morons buy games like gta for kids.



If there was an adult classification then that would be great. No more censorships and we will get games like the creators want them in the first place.



Just stop buying your 12yo 18+ games. Would you buy them beer and pornos?

Pedophile is nothing but an ageist word for a rapist. All rapists deserve life in prison. I do not support rape but I suppose you think I do. I dont really care. I dont really expect many people to support me right now, I can only hope that 100 years in the future when ageism is (hopefully) abolished and the world finds something else to discriminate against, that people remember me as one of the few people that was against it first. Please do check out www.youthrights.org, you will see that freedom for 'children' is not just something that I thought up, thousands of 'children' want freedom.

People pass driving tests to get licenses, and still can't handle driving. Tests don't always allow for perfect results. Your dream of everyone being tested for their mental competence is nothing more than a hope. Here in the real world, I have to say I would want control of what media my children have. When they are ready to accept responsibility and live on their own, then they can play whatever the hell the want.

Until that day I still say young children should not play graphic games. Children are young, impressionable and parents and all adults should defend that innocence with their lives. Any debate on that is foolish, and immature.

Your right, people do pass driving tests and there are still plenty of driving problems but imagine how it would be if there was no driving test and only an age limit. Imagine that. It would be far worse. No tests can guarantee 100% that if you pass, you are definitely able to do something but they would be far more efficient then an age based system and they would also not discriminate like age based systems do. Think about it like this, a mentally retarded man with a history of violent crimes can easily and completely legally buy any GTA game anywhere while an honor student who has never done a single thing wrong cannot. And heres the thing with parents having full control: A parents job is to teach a child whats right and wrong but most parents attempt to implant their opinions and beliefs into children as well. For example, many parents will tell children that there is definitely a God and that they must be a catholic or they will go to Hell. This is plain wrong and should be illegal, they are clearly pushing their religious views on the child. They could say "there might be a God, and we believe that there is, but there also might not be" but no parents do that. Nobody should ever have full control over anyone else, ever. It only leads to problems.

And you pretty much confirmed what I thought about you.

I do believe in Jesus' teachings but other then that I dance to the beat of my own drum, I'm not a member of any church nor do I attend any gathering of like minded people to discuss what to hang ***** on next.

I am still dirty with some supposed "Christian" groups that burn Harry Potter books. Possibly the best chance the current generation of children have had to become literate. So no I'm not the sort of Christian that you would be refering to in a negative context.

These are simply my own views, if some whack job Christian out there agrees with me good, I might not agree with him/her on everything else but that's my perogative.

If you can't understand why children should not be able to view adult media then there's little or no helping you at all. I know there's no magic age number but we have laws that are there to protect the innocent, all I'm saying is let's respect those laws by enforcing the ratings system. This is not discrimination this is protecting the integrity of our society's future.

I do strongly believe there is a place for adult media (porn/violence/drug use) but I don't believe it should be in the hands of children ever and that's not discrimination at all. What would be cruel is showing that stuff to young developing minds. I love that artists can express themselves in our society but it should not be at the expense of one single child's mind.



IF they want to bring in a law to enforce that harder then the wishy washy cr4p that's been around before, good.

As adults we currently suffer a half assed adult games because everyone in the world's ratings boards are still of the mindset that kids are going to play these games and realistically at the moment that's true. Game designers should have the same level of freedom as Stanley Kubrick had when making movies like A Clockwork Orange or Eyes Wide Shut. Instead because we have ***** head parents buying games for kids that they shouldn't be we're stuck with games like Leisure Larry Magna Cum Laude as the pinacle of adult games (which was censored or banned every where in the world except for europe). Or the watered down clothed sex scenes and strip shows in GTAIV.

IF that makes me some sort of Christian radical (which I doubt) so be it!

I'm saying let's have adult games, but let's not let kids ever see them let alone play them.

I get both sides of the arguement, and I agree that some parents don't pay enough attention to what thier children are doing, and when there kids play these games and don't get the difference between right and wrong and have noone to explain it to, they can be confused growing up. And then your kid that you've raised right ends up in the same class as the former kid.



However, I disagree with government getting involved and telling me how to raise my kid just because someone else doesn't know how to raise thiers. It's simply a freedom I will not give up as an American.

they probably don't know a thing about gaming legislation. i can assure you. if we youngsters (if they are here) grows up. we'd know what to let our child play. no games until the age of 4-6 (barbies and legos and mario). 6-10 (only pokemons) 10-15 (RPGS) 15- 18 (relaxed FPS) 18 and above (GTA for you). i am probably unfair. but. well. if this is implemented in the law. i for sure do not want to pay that huge fine.