Mylo and PSP garbage compared to the iPhone? |
We really don't want to start a flame war, but offending comments like this is just too news-y to pass up. Time has a report on the launch of the Apple's iPhone, and within that lengthy report is this paragraph:
To witness the iPhone launch from behind the curtain (or under the towel) is to see the controlling hand of Steve Jobs, for whom this is an almost mystically significant year. He's 50 years old. It's been 30 years since he founded Apple (with Stephen Wozniak), and 10 since he returned there after having been fired. In that decade Apple's stock has gone up 1,000%. Neither age nor success (nor cancer surgery in 2004) have significantly mellowed him, though some of the silver in his beard is creeping into his hair. All technologists believe their products are better than other people's, or at least they say they do, but Jobs believes it a little more than most. In the hours we spent talking about the iPhone, Jobs trash-talked the Treo, the BlackJack, the Sony PSP and the Sony Mylo ("just garbage compared to this"), Windows Vista ("It's just a copy of an old version of Mac OSX") and of course MicrosoftÂ’s would-be iPod killer, Zune.
The PSP and the Sony Mylo, garbage compared to the iPhone? To be fair, the Mylo might, and we stress, might, deserve a comparison with the iPhone since they're both in the same category of tech products. But to compare the iPhone to the PSP? Really now. What? Are there supposed to be games of PS1 or higher quality set to be released for the iPhone? Will it be rigged to play DS games?
The iPhone is a very pretty and very savvy multi-functional handheld device that can be used as a phone. (Yes, we want one ourselves.) The PSP is a very pretty and very savvy multi-functional handheld device that can be used (or is primarily used) to play games, or given the homebrew community, used for a whole lot of things.
Garbage? Someone's being a bit too hasty, or a bit too boastful.
Via TIME
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The PSP is grand, but isn't Nvidia doing the graphics for the phone? PC emulation for the win.
Jobs did a stupid thing by trash talking. The PSP isnt even a *****ing phone. I bet the PSP will have WAY more features than that pretty POS...except making phone calls.
yea that guas estupid, even estupeded than esprite, and founain drink? guat the heck is fountain drink?
How do you even compare a phone to a console?
Jobs is an idiot. He'll look an even bigger idiot if Cisco wins thier lawsuit because Cisco has ownership of the iPhone name.
either they're typos.. or you need to go back to school
the wannabee ipod killer? even if the zune was the best thing ever invented it wouldnt just kill the ipod over night. *****in idiot. btw its great and i love mine. and windows vista is far superior than mac os. i have vista and have used all the mac os's
Why are you all getting worked up over something so small? Calm down.
i want some specs on the iphone!
but from what apple have on there site about the thing, the screen sounds awesome! twice as many pixels-per-inch than the psp, its screen is as high as the psp's is wide, and wider than the psp's is high... its bigger, sharper, and touchyerer!
no way i would trade in my psp for one, but i really really want to get one.
Comparing the PSP to the iphone is stupid. The PSP is a console and the iphone is just some ghey overpriced phone with a gimmick. I dont need a new $600 phone, the one i have is smaller and easier to carry AND my psp handles everything else I need just fine.
I would trade my psp right away for an iPhone!!!! And I'm on 3.03 oe-B, but the iPhone is going to cost WAY more than $199. Get a used psp and flash it, there are still alot of 2.71's>- out in the used boxes. Simple logic
First, sorry for my english, google translates from spanish (sigh...):
It is very easy to say that “somebody” has said “something”, but I doubt much that Steve Jobs has said that the PSP is garbage. From where has left those words? It sounds to me to that is “somebody said to me that Steve commented…” Rule number 1 of the media: check the sources.
Despite this, I Love apple, I Love PSP, and i Love iPhone... (and i Love you too, Miriam)
Surely he must mean the features the iPhone and the PSP (without homebrew) has incommon like music and video playback, image viewing and internet browsing and in those areas I'm sure the PSP will be crap in comparison.
The iPhone won't play any games though, atleast they haven't announced that it will, which is what most people who have a PSP use it for.
youre right he certenly never said that psp was garbage but he didnt tell that apple products are not that cool..... in fact there not at all......with a high price compared to any similar products....i cant see why apple products would be "cooler" just because they have always way too simple basics controls....fact is this apple offers a great visual show, microsoft brings us hardware performance, sony tries to do so and Nintendo is always on lead (to me) with all sorts of gadget they know we really want....
i don't know about others, but i don't want to be carrying a brick in my pocket as a phone. My slips in and out of my jean pocket nicely because it's compact and light. It's a phone...Making it into all these other bullcrap features the iPhone will have is just useless. For people like me in Australia, only 1 network is going to support the 2.5G network that the iPhone uses (i think) and the network is total scum. So really, this piece of $600 crappy hardware is a total rip off.
The PSP on the other hand, I don't mind that it's big. It just means i get a bigger screen. If the iPhone supports playing games (decent games which I doubt it will), then it can have some comparison to the PSP. Otherwise...
PSP > iPhone
A new Sony or Samsung phone > iPhone
Dude is old and needs to head over to the glue factory.
He's shooting off words to drum up press for his new gadget.
PSP is in a whole different category. It's a portable game machine not a freaking over-priced phone with a screen that will probably break like his lovely video I-Pod's did when they first came out.
Japan and Korea has way cooler phones that never make it to this market I wonder how he'd do marketing that thing over there. I bet they'd laugh him out of the country.
Western countries lag behind because our infrastructure sucks and cell phone companies don't give a damn as long as we continue to give them money for antiquated service and technology since we have no choice.
The quote is a bit out of context, so probably looks inflammatory.
The point Jobs made was that the iPhone is all about usability of the interface and converging various technologies in the easiest way for users.
On that point, all of the mentioned devices (including PSP) are garbage in comparison to the iPhone.
Just try browsing the Web or typing anything on the PSP - it's a ballsache at best.
So in terms of converged technologies and inteface design, iPhone beats them all hands down.
Of course the PSP is a great games machine. And the iPhone isn't (yet!). But that wasn't his point, so flamewar over I guess.
Lemmy
The psp and the Iphone were not created for the same reason.
Convergence has been a buzz word for a long time.
It is only natural the Apple goes and makes an Iphone. Look a what Motorola, Samsung, Nokia and the rest have been making for the last few years.
The Iphone has no innovative features. It just has better packaging, nothing more... and a bigger price tag.
The psp is a gaming device with media functions.
Now the next battle is ALL ALL ALL in one ultimate portable devices.
The next 2 years we will see the battle start.
Apple, Microsoft, Sony, Nokia, Samsung, Motorola will all try to make the ultimate portable all in one device.
Gaming
Online gaming
Transactional device
Web
Wireless
Phone (cell or maybe VOIP with wifi)
PDA
Media
GPS
Wireless charging
And what ever the future may hold
The war has been declared by the players.
Lets see who shall win the war...
]V[oogy
iphone by apple is nothing new at alll. the iphone just copy the treo, the new samsung coming out before the iphone, the ppc6700.... and i dont see how on earth u can compare the iphone with the psp. the only thing the psp is not made for is to work as a cell phone. come on i cant even write it make no sense, is like comparing a tv with a rock.
the psp the treo the ppc6700 and a bunch of other things are wayyyyyyyyyyyyy yyy better in what they do and have wayyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyy more features. example, the new treo and ppc6700 by sprint are both excellent and superior cell phone than the iphone, they both play any ANY type of media file and they both are extremely reliable and last forever. if u compare the spec with the iphone, the iphone by apple is trashh.. $600 for a 8gb iphone?????
the treo and ppc both have expansion slot both have gps, and now we got 8gb on a tiny mini memory card and coming soon the 32gb this yr.
I feel bad for anyone who buy the iphone. apple has never made a cellphone and not to mention how reliable every single ipod are, except the nanos.
Sorry but i can't see psp anywhere!!!
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/01/dsc_0172.jpg
Have you seen the keynote??
I think the war has already begun
Funny was talking to a fan of the iphone at work. Gave him the chalange to find something the iphone can do that my jasjam can't already...only thing he could come up with is it is smaller. Thats it. Not hard to find small form windows mobile phones.
Sure it looks nice but will it actually be usefull. Plus running apple type os on my mobile device dosn't really appeal to me. Would sooner run a WM5 based phone.
the iphone is HUGEEEE I saw it there. I want to see who the hell is going buy this thing when they see it in person next to the new treo for sprint with 4G technology yeah faster or equal to ur cable modem speed.
btw iphone is NOT 3G capable. in other words this is 2004 technology on the iphone.
what ever happened to the bit of homebrew that would allow you to make calls over the internet, i remember it having problems but i just havent seen it for months. also reasons y this phone is *****- APPLE
and ciscos obviously gonna win that war
sorry 'bout that but F.u.c.k. you apple.
It's just too much.
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yea that guas estupid, even estupeded than esprite, and founain drink? guat the heck is fountain drink?
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LMAO dude that's hilarious! Reminds me of Mind of Mencia. X-D
Jobs is stupid...
If Windows Vista is an old version of OS X, why is *almost* everything in home computing geared towards PCs and Windows and not Mac?
I admit, Macs look nicer, but...bleh. Pretty crap I think. Only good thing from Apple is the iPod. :/
if vista is a remake of some old osx, why allow it to run on apple (boot camp)? allowing a competitor's os to be run on an apple is a company weakness so he has no right to thrash talk vista that way.
im surprised apple resorts to cheap marketing strategies to sell their products.
LOL you're right Iphone+TV PSP+Rock
Dude it is so easy to turn the psp into a rock or say like a brick! XD
My psp is bricked thas why!
my 2 years old nokia 9500 seems better....
and my psp rocks tOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
yeah...homebrew
and iphone is suck and *****
So, what happens when CISCO sue APPLE over the "iPhone" seeing as it is CISCO's registered name
Why isn't it possible to un-digg something
I get tired of people saying how good apple is and yes it is good to an extent. Using it myself at various times, it's always a ***** to find things that cooperate flawlessly and what not with the OS. The Ipod is the best thing apple's got and it will probably always dominate the mp3 player market but as for phones and such, they will land on their face. The psp isn't a phone so there is really no comparison but as for myself, I'd like the psp to play games and Homebrew and a freakin' cell phone to call people on, jeez... just another way to get thousands upon thousands out of consumers.
the only good ipods are the nano or any with flash memory. every other ipod will stop working after warranty expire. the small ipods are for girls but those are the only reliable ones.
OMG, One company said another company's products suck compared to theirs... Welcome to the world of big business, you should already be familiar with this. Stop acting so shocked.
gosh, so this is where apple fanboys inherit their die hard "its not made by apple so it sucks" attitude... well FYI guys, YOUR not made by apple... do YOU suck??
Apple hasn't made a decent product...ever.... Look at quicktime...look at itunes, and look at the ipod. All might be popular, but popular is not always the best. I'd take an MP3 player made by creative over apple any day, for obviously reasons. Heck, I use my PSP as an MP3 player, and I'm more happy with it for that function than if I owned an Ipod...and the battery lasts about just as long as well......I'd know...as my Girl friend has one, and she hate it.
games.homebrew.gps.camera,browser, music,photos,vi deo?how thA HECK THEY GON COMPARE THAT ***** TO THE PSP,the iphone is cool but the psp aint a god damn phone so they compare to it
games.homebrew.gps.camera,browser, music,photos,vi deo?how thA HECK THEY GON COMPARE THAT ***** TO THE PSP,the iphone is cool but the psp aint a god damn phone so they compare to it after this they gon come out with iphone 2
First of all, it's nice to see people sticking up for the PSP for a change.
Apple has gotten very arrogant. All this f**king ipod hype and "mac is the better OS" BS has gotten to their thick skulls. How the F**K can they compare a f**king phone to a gaming device?! Even as a multimedia device, PSP is way ahead of the game. Except for making calls or sandwiches, PSP does pretty much everything you need from a GAMING handheld. Music, widescreen videos, console quality games, PS1 emulation, a very neat web browser, RSS and let's not forget it's THE homebrew nirvana!
PSP RULES. SO GO F**K YOURSELF APPLE. I was planning on getting the iphone eventually, but never to replace my PSP. Now I am having 2nd thoughts. I don't think the iPhone deserves my respect.
- Dodo
WHEN WAS PSP LAUNCH?
WHEN WILL IPHONE LAUNCH?
WHAT IS PSP PRICE?
WHAT IS IPHONE PRICE?
I bet all my shinnys PSP HAS HIGHER PROCESSING SPEC THAN IPHONE.
Jobs like most Apple fanboys are such fanatical snobs.
Remember the late NGage ^_^
Considering that most people hesitate buying Macs for the operating system and fear of it being harder, this encourages more people to use Macs.
I actually bought a Mac cause I knew that worst case scenario I could just run it as Windows. I'm in media and though Mac is the favored one in the industry, I still use Windows apps to get stuff done. I could not do this with a normal PC.
So the Mac and it's ability to handle it's competitors operating system actually gives it more of an edge.
And wasn't the PSP early on talking about possible phone usage?
With mic / earphone/ wi-fi access point and specific homebrew the PSP could easily be turned in an... i(should)Phone
in fact, Sony would prefer you not think of it as a handheld, so much as a multi-media portable. I think the comparison is valid, and I can't really say the iPhone has a gimmick. All handhelds that acts similiar to the iPhone have some sort of touch interface. Treo for instance.
You do make a good point with the price though, what we sort of have here now is a weaker/cheaper can do everything PSP and a stronger/pricier can do everything better iPhone. It'll be like the DS vs PSP. Cept switch the touch interface.
Though with the iPhone you get rid of having two devices as you pointed out. Which use to be the argument for people saying the PSP was great cause it can play music, watch videos, check email, play games and all in one device. So gimmicky? I can't agree. But the price is too far high, and even then, it's not that high considering other high end phones.
If you want to compare the PSP's video, music or even graphics capability to the iPhone, then the PSP is going to lose. The iPhone is at least two generations ahead of all the other media players available, including our beloved PSP. That said, I highly doubt that Jobs was calling the PSP "garbage" — he (unfortunately) has little interest in the gaming market. The Mylo, on the other hand, *is* "garbage".
Those sixteen-year-olds calling Steve Jobs a washed-up idiot better surrender their iPods now! Jobs continues to do more for computing and the personal electronics market than anyone else. Little Billy Gates included.
Sorry, PeeCee people, but saying that Windows is better than OS X because it's more commonly used doesn't hold water, and you know it. There are more Fords than Mercedes on the road, but few will call Ford a superior product. Don't judge what you're too scared to experience first-hand.
Another product comparison? Nintendo DS Vs. the Sony PSP. There are many, many more people who own the DS. Does that make it superior to the PSP? Hmmm?
People want the simplest, easist way to get enjoyment. Apple, when designing anything (OS, iPod, Hardware, and now the iPhone) always aim for a high level of "ease of use".
With any MP3 player, you don't have a uniform way of getting music. It might come with it's CD full of apps to rip music, and even tell you where to legally download music. But then you factor in the compatibility. Maybe the CD also gives you a audio convertor so everything works with your player. And it's own media manager to boot.
But with the iPod, you get just iTunes. And it's that relationship that makes the iPod so dominant in the market. The program will rip your CDs. It has access to the store where every song, regardless of what the RIAA wants, will be 99 cents or 10 bucks a CD. And when you bring in your own music, iTunes will not only add it and organize it, but convert it to AAC if need be. It's less work on the consumer. That's it's appeal. And you pay for convenience. That's why a friggin gallon of milk costs almost 1-2 bucks more at a convenience store.
Cool is just a matter of opinion, but to the real reason why these products became dominant is for their consumer design. Popularity of a item just tends to follow afterwards.
I'd like to see that piece of ***** phone play medal of honour, or any homebrew applications that have any use at all.
I personally have a freaking nokia phone, why do you people want a laa dee daa poncey touch screen? It doesnt look as if it has protection so anything like a coin could probably break it. Camera...they're great....for about 10 minutes before you get bored of them and wonder why the f you paid £200 for it. Then...then oooooh wifi, well great - except the only websites that would work with any dignity would be .mobi domains which are practically nonexistant or just some of these porn sites with optimised viewing.
Why get this again? Sandisks player does iTwuunes and its smaller and wont break after 6 months
if steve jobs ruled the world then there would only be two types of people. really smart and really stupid. the really smart people would be creating the products and the really stupid people would be using them.
Handheld =/= PDA+Phone
PSP 250$ with games =/= Iphone 600$ with probably bad emulation
@ eveyone
Since when a friggin handheld is equal to a PDA with a phone smashed into it,if you expect this is going to sell more than the PSP or NDS Lite you are insane.
Is easy to talk trash of the PSP but again when those people have been right?,if you said none you won.
i tested both ipod and zune and the zune is way better, IMO.
dude forget your ipod, get a vision M or a zune.
i was thinkin about that, imagine if someone would come up with a homebrew that runs on 3.03 oe and uses the psp camera as a webcam and the custom microphone as a, well a microphone. put all that in a custom AIM or MSN. that would rock.
stronger/pricier iphone? pricier maybe but stronger than psp. it depends what context you are talking in.
The psp does not even fall in the same category of portable electronics as the iphone. the iphone is a phone and the psp IS a console. as for media, the psp has the same to offer as the iphone. and as qj pointed out, you cannot play psx games on an iphone.
Also with the 32gig memory stick soon to be released, the psp will be pricier than the iphone, if not the same price.
f* apple they dont kno what they r doing,
cisco has the rights to iPhone and hav had all the way back to the 90's
Freakin Steve Jobs. Him and his gay ass turtle neck. iPhone is a peice of ***** and has nothing to do with PSP. PSP is a multi-media gameing machine. iPhone is an over-expensive phone that plays music. Wow, that hasnt been done before. Great job apple, your stupid *****s!
Actually you can run mac on windows machines its called mac osx86 you can also emulate it in vmware with the settings of bsd.
I'll admit that I'm a fan of Apple, but I'll also admit I'm a big PSP fan as well. First off, Jobs never actually compared the two. He never even mentioned the PSP. He mentioned a few of the other smartphones. You can watch the keynote on apple.com. But honestly, I think that it is a fair comparison. If you look at the iPhone and PSP up against each other, there are a lot of features that you can compare. Both view videos, and photos, and listen to music. And both can connect to the internet with a web-browser. I've used all of those features on my PSP extensively. And I also continue to use the Locationfree player. I love it, but I will be the first to admit that the PSP doesn't execute any of these things very well. The web browser is crap. It has very little memory, and is slower than *****. The music player is crap. Photo viewing isn't great. And getting videos to work is crap crap crap. To touch on the video. Biggest problem with the PSP's video is the fact that the video isn't full-res unless you buy a UMD, or unless you hack the video playing capabilities. Sony could do so much better with their PSP but they cripple it so that they can force you to buy things like UMD's and their video converter.
steven mc jobs *****in loves the *****. he eats it every day, he reallly ennjoys it.
you r teh gya mc jobs apple bummer
you can get video converters for free....legally, and if ripping a widescreen dvd then the picture is perfect.
OMFG Im no sony fanboy but the PSP is the biggest steal in the world with the inclusion of homebrew PSP can do EVERYTHING that this phone does +more GPS,Camera,MP3 Playback and with the 8gb Memstick coming out (biggest iPhone is 8GB) it matches it as an MP3 player it plays PS1 browses the web about the only thing it cant do is make phone calls oh wait the PSP has a Headset and WiFi boy i see a homebrew VOIP app in the near future? F*** apple and theyre over priced garbage $600 phone
The original statement is kind of baseless and idiotic, but, if you really think about it--and this probably isn't IT--it's not that hard to imagine apple taking a huge step up into the portable gaming device world. Anyone else here old enough to remember when Apple IIes and GS's were all the rage? Didja' ever play Oregon Trail on one in grade school? Classic Macs kinda' slipped back a few steps and became kind of a "niche" thing. PCs were and still ARE everywhere, but the ibook and newer gen Macs are quite possibly superior to those native Windows machines the majority of us still run...But that's not really even BEGINNING to illustrate the point. Look at Apple's secondary position in the home computer market for, what, like 20 years? Would you ever have expected them, based on that, to unleash a product that became synonymous with portable audio? Zunes and Nomads and IRivers or whatever you've got, they all just kind of WISH they were IPods. Apple turned into a company with a really SMART business model for something and REALLY respectable tech...Don't think they can do it again? I'd like to be one of the first to DARE them. I'd LOVE to see them come up with a killer alternative to our beloved killer handheld homebrew gaming device (which Sony already seems hell-bent on killing, themselves, commercially). Don't cry if it happens. Newsflash: It's not like Sony really gives a sh_it about you...not that Apple does, either.
Dude, are you serious?
1st off, how hard is it to type or surf the net on the psp? Is it really that hard to type with a keyboard like that? If so, you shouldn't be using the console to surf the net in the first place.
Secondly, Interface design? haven't you noticed, the XMB of the psp can't be anymore friggin simpler?
Thirdy, you said that iPhone isn't a great games machine (yet), how do you know that? Do you know the specs of the iPhone? Have you seen homebrew on the iPod? I think i'll go back to playing on my SNES.
Lastly, How convient is the iPhone? How convient do you want it to be? Do you want the iPhone to talk for you as well? Would you like it to play music without you touching a single button? You'll need a Psycommu for that
Jobs is obviously doing alot of research over this matter, /sarcasm, lately Apple's been alot more aggressive over advertising, with their ad saying what the PC can and cannot do, what's made them so brave?
The iPhone is the most unoriginal POS that has ever touched the earth, Apple has fallen far by making products that value cost over efficency, i can gurrantee you that your iPhone will fail to work after 2 years or so, or about 5 drops, whichever comes first.
While Job's comments failed to be relevant and specific, he does encourage people to buy the iPhone quite well, well, for idiots who are too lazy to do research anyway, the reason why the iPod and the DS are such big sellers, is via the word of mouth, DS games are far more interactive than the PSP's while the iPod just sucks and is overrated, playing music IS relatively simple, but to talk about features, both gadgets fail miserably to the PSP, anyone who disagrees, reply to this and i'll break down your reply, what can the iPhone do that the PSP can't? The PSP can be used as a phone, if someone could create homebrew which uses the headset from socom, and us VOIP to talk, then you have yourself a phone, reliability? I've dropped my psp 7 times, my friend dropped his iPod and it ceased to work, which is a big disappointment since Apple's products used to be Quality over Quantity
this is what i vas chatting about, once a pon a time their was a bit of homebrew for 1.5 that could use the wifi to make internet calls and txts. *****ing ages ago. but ppl couldnt call you on it obviously caus u have no number but the last i rememer was theirs a couple of bugs another version will be out soon..............
and once again- apple your *****
How quickly you all forget.
When the PSP first came out, Sony sold it as an "ipod killer", which it is not (sing it with me a-la Franz Ferdinand ''...take me out"). The PSP in general has been a failure, missing all of it's predicted sales marks. Movie studios are now refusing to release movies in PSP format. Even Sony Pictures has stopped publishing PSP titles. All that is just a feather in Steve Jobs cap.
And as far as Apple becoming arrogant, Apple has ALWAYS been arrogant. It is the reason for both their successes and failures.
i love my mlyo, thats all i have to say
Hey,
I've been living in Japan for 2 years now. Just so no one has the wrong idea, there are a lot of phones that come out in north america that are truly more capable than any phones I've seen here.
The majority of the phones here are basically beta's since there is a new model out every 3 - 6 months. The phone I bought when I arrived is a Sharp 902SH. The follow up versions of this phone not counting the 903SH have gotten progressively worse.
The main reason we don't get any of the north american and mainly good sony ericsson phones in Japan is either they don't want to convert it to the 3G networks or... they think they can't compete with a bad phone with a 3 megapixel camera in it.
Ya I know I'm way off topic...
I think the PSP and the iPhone would make interesting babies... ones I could be willing to buy. Just gotta make the screen to be able to roll up to reduce the size of it. Use your imagination...
Seriously, read up on it. Other than gaming, it pwns the PSP. And I'm even an anti-mac guy!