I've got my Uncharted 2 beta code. Can't wait.



And ok people probably sick of me saying it but please for crying out loud Sony Europe... Symphony of the Night and Spyro (not for me) for the PS Store like everyone else has. I don't care about Final Fantasy VII. I wasted money on that the first time around. And Ridge Racer Type 4 would be nice too. For some reason I still enjoy it more than any RR since.



Clatchet and Rank?

FF VII for me is good enough, I would like to see VIII, and IX as well.... FF 8 always had those lag/ freeze glitches though

Sorry if I come across as harsh towards FFVII. I'm sure lots of people are gonna be happy to have that on PSN. It would just be nice if I had some of my actual fave PS1 games there too...

It is an online version...meaning probably standalone or something.



Pay to play...I am kind of hyped for it because I've been waiting for some new mmo or online rpg to play for a long time.

topic^

i dunno how much of a fail ffxi was, i played it for 2 yrs, but it was ok.. but in the last few months i was playing it i remember ppl talkn about how square enix was making a new FF MMO. but im not about to do another pay to play mmo. that ***** too much of my life >.

No Twisted Metal PS3.....seriously, they can't be saving it for 2011.....can they ? *cry*

WOW i thought that ps3 was going to bring everything to the table at E3.It was disappointing all they talked about was how much they sold ps2,psp,ps3 were the Fu3k was the games??? no demos no hype of any game but uncharted2,god of war 3.xbox360 has it once again sorry guys im a big ps3 fan but what happen.The psp GO is the same just another price tag of $260 THE XBOX360 console is going for $200 witch one u rather get?

well id rather get another ps3 as it is the BETTER buy, fanboy or not i could care less. but seeing as my launch 60gig is still kickn and alive and well i wont be getting a new one any time soon. nor will i be wasting my money on a 360 or a wii

Simply because it's portable, it has an internet browser and it doesn't RROD ^^

I'm pretty disappointed by Sony's E3 conference.



Only tidbits were new to me and nor do they seem that interesting anyway. I won't be buying most of the games showcased.



Oh well.

so sony didnt show 20 fps games, instead they showed so many different aaa titles from different genres and ppl say it sucks. well im *****ing tired, go play ODST. speaking of that *****, remember when gt5p was a 40 dollar "demo" remember??? what the ***** is ODST u *****ing 360 morons. i remember all the ***** talk about how sony is ripping people off with gt5P even tho it raped forza, and now M$ is releasing a 40 buck demo n xbots are all hyped up and excited, well STFU im tired of these god damn hypocrites. maybe now mgs will finally get the rating it deserves because its on 360, but i wont be surprised if its an arcade game cuz a game as good as mgs4 isnt possible on ur piece of plastic

I dont see why some ppl are whining so much about it.... im pretty impressed...narutosaiyan above puts it nicely...: )......Admittedly deep down I did have secret/stupid hopes of a ps3 pricecut or a ps3 mgs game to blow me away...but Im happy with the psp one for now and those motion controls look preety sick to me...much better than my dusty wii's...all in all im happy

both the wii and 360 natal can handle that 'accuracy' very easily.



imo, that's a decent attempt by sony, but 360's natal and the Wiimote are definitely ahead of it.



still, i'm pleased with what i've seen from sony and ms this year at e3, much more that i was last year.

that natal is more accurate????? maybe u should compare the paint sloshing to the handwriting of the sony controller

that demo was not trying to demonstrate accuracy but to demonstrate the natal technology. i would have thought that was obvious to everyone.

it should be clear to anyone that the paint demo using natal was not to demonstrate the fine accuracy of natal, just as tennis is not a demonstration of the accuracy of the Wiimote.



i have a ps3 *only*, no 360, no gaming pc, hence my alias, but unlike some gamers, i dont feel the need to act like a blind fanboy and pretend that everything on my ps3 and everything about it is better than the opposition.

ur dumb, the ball demo was showing the accuracy of the body movement with the camera! u stupid fanboy, now not even the wii or the natal is as accurate as the ps3 demo today because if you watched and i mean WATCHED ud see that his arm was slightly shaking and it was also shaking on the screen. now accuracy like that will make motion sensing games more fun. can u get the concept through your tiny brain? im not talking about the paint, ok? with motion sensing you need pinpoint accuracy in order to get a good experience, god damn ur retarded.

the fact that you have to resorted to such name calling proves you are a child (either by age or by mentality).



sony made it an issue to demonstrate the accuracy of their device, which has NOTHING to do with the relative accuracy of their motion control technology and that of ms and nintendo. so again, try to use some common sense.



i see nothing in that sony demonstration which suggests it's any more accurate than ms's natal or the wiimote, and they're showing nothing which couldn't be done or natal or the wiimote, which is YOUR claim.

i bet you it is not possible on natal, and good luck doin a sword game without anything to hold.also if u remember on the natal demo where the girl was driving how the hands of the character on the tv were twitching and not copying her exact movements, that is what im trying to point out. and if u were so smart u wouldnt be trying to prove ur absolutely genius point to a 12yr old.

you can bet all you like, have you used either system? no! have i? no of source not. so please. and natal scans everything, so yes, you CAN have an object in your hand, but the enthasist of their demonstration was to show control WITHOUT holding devices or objects.



the fact is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and we're going to have to wait for those who have hands on with BOTH systems to give us feedback on just how good and how accurate each system is.



and i made no claims of being a genius, i just know a fanboy when i see one, and when someone acts like a child, i'll call him/her a child.

they demonstrated natal on stage with live demos! seems to me you didn't watch the conference but either a) only seen a few highlights or b) read about it.

Ooh, so they showed them navigating a menu with it, they eyetoy could do that. The bulk of the natal footage, the driving, the scanning, etc, was all from a trailer

because there were live demos on stage. narutosaiyan mentioned one of them.

the only live demo was the ball and elephant and they both sucked, and what if i am a fanboy, you still cant prove me wrong. the thing is if you think a little bit the eyetoy serves as a sensor and the controller as a point where the sensor can focus. now this might be mindblowing for you but when there is a focus point the accuracy of what will be shown on screen will mimic what the person is actually doing. if there is no focus then the sensor gets a *****load of random points making the output innacurate. that is what the wii does and thats what ps3 will do, n im pretty sure wii is successful with its motion sensor

look, we can agree that we have no idea how accurate Natal will be. Maybe it will be as accurate as Sony's thing. Maybe it will be better or worse. We don't know as we haven't seen ACTUAL live demonstration of it. So quit fighting please. We will see as tim passes.





One thig I do have to say, though. The PS3 combines both techniques. You have both the camera AND the wiimote clone. So basically everything the Wii and the 360 makes will be also possible on PS3 from now on. Just wanted to point that out.



@narutosaiyan: If you response, please do it in a mature manner. You give some very good points but you screws it with your childish behaviour.

This needs to stop. You guys keep arguing about accuracy and blah blah blah. These things are still UNDER DEVELOPMENT. So its at an early stage and many things have not been implemented yet. Accuracy sucks? So what? I'm sure they'll fix i.t

...yes, even you.



i didn't say i follow other opinions blindly, instead i listen/read all the opinions i can of those who have first hand experience and make my judgement based upon the COLLECTIVE opinions expressed, together with my own feelings on the matter.



"i think the best game of all time is mgs4, most game critics say its halo, so why would i trust those same game critics with what they saw at e3?"



who said anything about trust? even if every game critic on the planet agreed with you about mgs4, that doesn't mean they would say what you want them to say about the ps3's motion control compared to the 360's. once again, you need to take the views of as many people as possible (with hands-on experience), and look at all the pros and cons and highs and lows in their remarks, and together with your own feelings, arrive at a conclusion.



"i know u cant understand but accuracy is most important with motion sensors."



well, ignoring your patronizing tone, as i said already, until we read hands-on reports where comparisons between the ps3's motion control and the 360's natal can be made, then all you and i are saying here are really just empty words.



so please don't use the excuse of not trusting critics, because i suspect if the opinions favour what you've said here, you will embrace them, not dismiss them. what will become known over the next few days/weeks/months is which of the two new systems is more accurate, which is more flexible, which has more potential for gaming etc. so let's just wait and see.

The amount of Fanboyism/(Fangirlism?) in this post is disgusting. But other than that I think Sony had the best conference this year of the three companies. They had a lot of good stuff to show including that really unexpected FFXIV. Their new motion gimmick controller seems to be what a lot of people expected, an add on to the Eye toy. Its interesting to say the least but like Microsofts, it is what it is. A gimmick, not necessary but being used to try and attract new people. Time will tell whos is actually better but right now I think its about as capable as Natal.



This article was laughable compared to actual live coverage by people who were actually at the conference. In the future I suggest people either watch it themselves or follow another site like IGN or Gamespot. They may be convoluted but they've got better writers. Or maybe this writer is just particularly crappy.

omg thats it???????, are u SERIOUS??? why hype nothing, theres nothing new or interesting there!!, god dam useless sony, full of dissappointment ... unless by sum chance thats not all....

next your gonna say eyetoy could handle 1:1 motion lol

Sony's set up is probably going to be the most expensive since it requires an Eye Toy and while it would work with 1 peripheral w/e they call it, to get its full effect it requires atleast 2.

Microsoft is probably going to be the cheapest as it only requires a camera. The thing is as Sony pointed it out some stuff you just want a controller for such as a gun where the Sony one has a trigger though I think since it is a camera they can take a thing out of Sony's book with add on peripherals to the camera.

The Wii is the only one with a definite price at the moment since it started out with motion control and with everything costing MSRP it adds up to...

Wiimote - $40

Nunchuck - $20

Wii MotionPlus - $20

Total - $80



Even though the wii doesn't need all of them we are looking at each at their best no?

You mean you and your comment right? FFXI if you didn't know is doing quite well. Not SUPER well known like WoW or anything but it's there. If you don't like it then shutup. No one wants your noob comments.

IIIITTT IS OUT ON PSN caps

if it has sufficient video rate (60fps being preferable to 30fps) and sufficient processing power to analyse movement.

"...never have and never will like them [fanboys]".



blind loyalty is just dumb imo, especally to companies who only want us for our money.

were you using a voice typing program or did u just wanna lets ppl know u were using caps

I've been asking for more PSN classics and FF7 for a long time now. It's finally out. and with the 49 other classics, maybe FF8 and 9 can be released.

yeah i hope it'll be cool... too bad they had no footage of it +(

so you can watch videos with your friends.. biiig *****in deal! its a gaming console ffs!! why waste money on such crap?`i could give less than a big fat dump about all that video streaming and chatting BS... i just want to play games.

and gaming without a controller is just awkward! but w/e..

the wiimote by itself is limited in terms of capturing depth movement, hence this is what the add-on, wii motion plus, seeks to correct.



http://www.zath.co.uk/wii-motion-plus/

"about Killzone 2 running at 1080i. I said it can run native 1080i and you keep insisting it ran on 720p when you don't look at the facts"



yes, that was a detail i got wrong, since i never play games at 1080i (or any interlaced res), 720p is always the preferred option for me if 1080p is not available.



but i notice you missed out the key point of that arguement, where you claimed that 1080i meant bigger textures and so more space is needed (so couldn't be done on 360), when in fact it doesn't mean that at all. the screen res and texture res are two totally different things, since both are heavily dependant on ram and gpu power, not disc storage. unfortunately, you just don't get it.



"from now on I'll make a nice little text file for you and paste everything you say if that's what you want."



oh...sarky.



"but always point to it being a *****ty console and always downplay anything sony has that's good. To put it you say PS3 sucks in a smart secretive way."



no, to anyone who actually has a clue about the hardware they're talking about, they know i'm discussing the facts, not the fantasies held by many gamers (like yourself over textures). and i notice how you shift position and claim i say PS3 sucks...but in a subtle way. how convenient. so anything over than blind praise for the ps3 is criticism to you!



the logic you use is this... if someone says "OMG, the PS3 is so awesome, it has Cell so it's way more powerful than ANY PC and Cell makes it one of the most powerful supercomputers in the world", then everyone should shut up and same nothing, because to challenge that view means they are subtly saying the ps3 sucks! But hey, who needs the truth, right?



i don't have to cling to inflated ideas about my ps3 to enjoy it, for me, it's about the whole experience, it's about the games.



"BTW my primary console is an Xbox 360"



well, i only ever buy one console per gen (i don't have time for multiple consoles, even though i can more than afford it).



"The Wii I just despise so if you see me argue about the Wii sucking..."



and that's where we're similar yet different. like yourself, the wii just doesn't appeal to me at all, so my choice was always going to be between 360 and ps3. but unlike yourself, you will not find a single post from me saying the wii sucks. but yes, somewhere i've argued against someone making exaggerated claims about the wii capabilities (especially for motion sensing), so i guess he too will decide i must be saying the wii sucks, because to tell it as it is means the same thing. right? ;-).



lol, you can never 'win' online unless you tow the line, regardless of how wrong that line may be.

It's going to be a long time before a system goes completely motion control, in which case it would have to be some sort of virtual reality machine.



These motion capture controlers are going to have very specific games made for them, and will be optional probably for at least two more generations.

sorry about that, i thought we were still talking about the eyetoy, i missed the fact that you said pseye.



but no, the same answer applies. again, the pseye does not measure distance, so it cant for example be used to scan a human body and accurately map about 50 key points for movement. all 2d cameras can do is to map to 2d movement, not 3d movement.



you're right that face recognition has been around in webcam applications for a while, but they ALL depend on identifying points from 2d images. natal adds depth information to face recognition, just as it does for movement, and therefore is more advanced.



found this on youtube, a demo from 3dv, the company behind much of natal's tech;



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v+aZizkevxX-c+feature+related



it's a bit freaky looking, but it demonstrates the difference between what webcams see and 3d cams.



but enough for now, i will pick up on what Silver-Tiger said before, that these technologies are still developing and there are many unknowns. so let's just wait and see how they develop.

and in the link, delete '+feature' from the end.