DS Heats Up, PSP Cools Down

Posted Aug 18, 2006 at 10:31AM by QJ Staff Listed in: News Tags: Australia, Canada, Europe, Japan, Sony
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PSP VS DS


The gaming community has choices these days that were pretty much unheard of a decade ago. Lucky for all of us, we have a lot of options to choose from. There are a lot of gaming platforms out there, but only two seems to be really slugging it out in the game handheld arena: Sony's PSP and Nintendo's DS. How do we measure them against each other? Graphics? Number of games? Let's try sales figures!

Remember the saying, "A picture is worth a thousand words?" we say, these stats show a million! All sales figures are as of July 30, 2006.

Nintendo DS
Japan - 10.3 million
US - 5.8 million
Europe - 6.2 million
Australia - .2 million
Canada - .4 million
Worldwide - 22.9 million

PSP
Japan - 3.9 million
US - 5.1 million
Europe - 4 million
Australia - .15 million
Canada - .4 million
Worldwide - 13.37 million


What does that mean for the game market? People are willing to try on a game handheld that is considerably less in the graphics department but high in gameplay and innovation part. We see a paradigm shift towards gameplay as opposed to high graphics.

Hopefully, after seeing this, Sony will do something either to the present PSP or the future one. Nintendo will have to continue with being innovative and creative in its gameplay or they'll lose their customers. Either way, us gamers will always win. It's a beautiful world after all.

Thanks to
Sttrangler for all the work of compiling these figures!

 
 
 

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# TrumpetGeek 2006-08-18 05:46
Sure, the DS is running out of good games though. Oh well...

1st!!!

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# .FLai 2006-08-18 05:54
Good, at last people are seeing the PSP for what it is. A boring, terribly designed, lackluster piece of crap with nothing but crap games. The DS has some of the best games I've ever played. @1, I disagree. The DS games are extremely good and imaginative. The PSP games are pretty awful.

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# leetGuest 2006-08-18 05:58
LOL! the psp has 1337 million!

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# lol...nar180 2006-08-18 06:02
I don't care I have a job, so I can have both!

Oh yeah I do :P

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# Guest 2006-08-18 06:05
bet u dont have a pre order for ps3 :P

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# 1337, lolGuest 2006-08-18 06:06
1337? shows what a beast PSP is. The DS however.....*cough*tacky*** **tykidsmachine *cough*

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# I think the PSP has some life left in itGuest 2006-08-18 06:13
Sure, a lot of PSP games are crap -- but look at the DS, a lot of their games are crap too. I was just at ds.ign.com, and if you look at the reviews, the PSP and DS have about the same number of "good" games.



That said, I've played a few games on the PSP that truly kick ass. Syphon Filter, Daxter, Valkyrie Profile, Breath of Fire, GTA, XMEN, Tales of Eternia, Popolocrois...

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# Guest 2006-08-18 06:15
Who plays video games for graphics over gameplay? Thats just silly...

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# Guest 2006-08-18 06:17
Both systems have their good points and just because something is popular doesnt mean its good, FIFA rockets up the charts year after year and its a load of old bollocks.

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# 9Guest 2006-08-18 06:19
PSP seems much more popular down under then that DS



PSP - perfect sony play

DS- dumb s**t

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# Uber0ne 2006-08-18 06:22
The PSP is better. Proof....1337 sales.

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# PSP pwns DSGuest 2006-08-18 06:22
Well they DS is pretty much just another gameboy while the psp is a next-gen handhold all the things you can do on a psp make it a much better system counting only the "offical" games a system can play doesn't show everything it can do like the psp's emulator scene is just amazing

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# Guest 2006-08-18 06:25
When was the last time you played Golden Eye 007 on your DS...........NEVER!!!!!!

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# ...Disjunto 2006-08-18 06:27
sales show how many people are buying them... not how many are using them or are buying replacements so i, among others ignore this info

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# iW00t!Guest 2006-08-18 06:30
Worldwide - 13.37 million



Lolz

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# DS is cheaper...Guest 2006-08-18 06:30
nocomment

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# because is cheaper...Guest 2006-08-18 06:32
DUH!! This article is DUMB!. OF COURSE! the DS will sell better than the gorgeus PSP. Because is way cheaper than the PSP and people like cheap because they are poor bastards. And because the handheld basicly dedicated for kids. There are a lot of kids out there and parent would buy the toy for them



Thats my two cents. If you dont agree you can go to hell.

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# Fanboys come out the woodwork... *rolls eyes*Guest 2006-08-18 06:35
It seems whenever people put up the DS to the PSP the fanboys just cant help but come out the woodwork. Its sad really.



I have been saying this for years and so has nintendo. People who buy solely based on graphics don't always get good games. Not to say that neither the DS nor the PSP has terrible games! They BOTH have terrible games.



Why doesn't anyone realize this? Instead, they base their arguments on graphics and how powerful a system is. Who cares? Its the GAMES that make the systems! The PS2 is the weakest system (anyone who argues this is gonna lose) out there, but it has some of the best games out there!



The DS and PSP have great futures, and I am one of the lucky few that can have a taste of both sides and enjoy the greatness that each provides. Its really sad that some people can't look past their own ego's and look at the real issue at hand.



Both are great systems, get over it. Instead of wasting your life arguing different.



Game on!

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# LMAOGuest 2006-08-18 06:36
Wow ds roasted psp's ass.

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# Learn Math #10Guest 2006-08-18 06:40
Hey, number 10, you must be seriously retarded. In decimals, you can remove any zeros that are on the right side. So really, the DS sold more. In terms you can understand, DS didn't sell .02 million down under, they sold .2 million, whitch is equal to .20 million, go back to your little grade school.

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# ds is cheaper than pspGuest 2006-08-18 06:40
the ds sells better than the psp because is cheaper and because it has been out on the market first, not because of that gameplay graphics bs

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# Xfacter 2006-08-18 06:41
PSP is better because it sold 13.37 million units.

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# ds sucksGuest 2006-08-18 06:44
i dnt care bout sales i am glad wit the better system psp and it runnn hombrew shows it has mor potential why dont u ds fans wack off to a touch screen

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# Where are these figures coming from???TheProfessor 2006-08-18 06:45
I saw much bigger numbers on the PSP on various sites. It was up by a million in the US last time I checked and in Europe it was close behind.



These numbers show the complete opposite. Doesn't make much sense. Just look at VGcharts.org and you will see completely different numbers. I am not saying VGcharts numbers are correct but I am 100% positive the numbers you are posting are incorrect.



Actually IGN reported 20 million PSPs shipped while the DS has shipped 21 worldwide (YES SHIPPED):



http://uk.psp.ign.com/articles/725/725264p1.html



Also please note that the DS had a huge advantage in time. They have one extra Christmas (both the US and UK) and a few months on top of that head start. Everyone knows sales are about 10 times on christmas than any other time. If you go by this you would realize that the PSP is selling faster worldwide than the DS has.



If the PSP drops in price this holiday season, prepare to see it taking off leaving the DS in the dust. Not that they will take DS customers, since the PSP is a completely different market, they will just do great with sales.

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# as #18 saidemmortal 2006-08-18 06:45
They both have their positive and negatives. I myself love the PSP, its perfect for everything I need it for and couldn't see myself playing the types of games on the DS, mini games and brain age stuff are not what I need, my brain gets tested enough at my university, that doesn't mean DS has nothing to offer tho.



I do bet that a large percentage of the DS owners are 15 and under though at least in the United States though because I hardly ever see anyone else with them, they usually always have a PSP.

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# You can say all you want...Guest 2006-08-18 06:46
The DS is still leading by over 9 Million units! 1337 Losers!

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# Or maybe...Guest 2006-08-18 06:46
"What does that mean for the game market? People are willing to try on a game handheld that is considerably less in the graphics department but high in gameplay and innovation part. We see a paradigm shift towards gameplay as opposed to high graphics."



Or, just maybe, did you ever think that some people can't afford a PSP? The DS is much cheaper. I have many friends who wish they had a PSP instead f their DS, but they couldn't afford it at the time.



You guys sure put a lot of thought into this one. Morons.

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# I have bothGuest 2006-08-18 06:48
both DS and PSP are good.



i do have both of them, but I leave DS to my friend and take PSP with me always because of it's functions



better sound better video, usb, wlan, homebrew. and a game or two..... that's more than enough for me.



i'm not the game-only type.

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# So much misinformation..Guest 2006-08-18 06:50
If you go to where the original figures were posted it said the PSP Europe figures were ESTIMATES, but I guess you *****got fanboys wont care, or have the brains to understand.

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# lol 13.37 millionmaverick990 2006-08-18 06:54
That's funny, it just proves the PSP is 1337!

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# tardsGuest 2006-08-18 06:57
sales doesnt mean its better, it means it sold more. DS sales are better simply for one reason. Because its cheaper. But keep in mind you get what you pay for. You can either have a mini PC, or a 2 screened N64. You can either get a 30 dollar mp3 player from walmart, or get a iPod from bestbuy. it al depends on how much money youre willing to spend. Be cheap and get cheap sh*t, which is what DS is.

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# PSP is better than DS but kids are wat helps DSGuest 2006-08-18 07:00
ok i hate how web sites have to say ***** about psp losing heat or watever like this article and to tell you the truth sony is doing better than any other game company(sega)fr om the past against the DS from nintendo(handhe ld-wise), so shows how mush psp is doing...great!



also DS sells more cuz of DSlite, if a "psp-lite" comes out(from the rumors) them it will sell more!



kids in japan are obsessed with nintendogs, that made DS sell so much, just like pokemon boosted GBC/GBA sells.



**PSP aint a piece of ***** like nintedophiles say....i think nintendo is full of crap and just rehashes its Gameboys and doesnt really improve anything, DS still has the most crappy graphics, always 2d games, no analongs or multi-media features.-------yet ppls say psp is crap!!LMOA

i think nintendo fans get ripped off from all the crap gameboys out there.(i cant beleive i had a GBC and then bought a GBA afterwards.....i stopped after that cuz GBAsp was gay and many ppl got it...waste of money!!LOL)



even though the psp titles might not be as "fun" as DS games is cuz developers, not sony so stop saying *****..ignorant fools.i love luminines, but dont see it on the DS do you?plus the only reason the DS games might be "funner" is cuz you just read text and click on 2d stuff all the time which ppls that are young or really old enjoy!!LMAO!!!p sp is for teenager and above not little 12yr olds that like pokemon.games like syphon filter or daxter for the psp arent capable on the DS and are a few of the best handheld games out there.

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# don't really....Guest 2006-08-18 07:00
don't really care about the figures, but what started really getting on my tits is the way this site now takes you to an advert page before the page you've clicked to see. Think I'll find myself another site for my PSP info.

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# Bah this is bollocksGuest 2006-08-18 07:00
Who cares about the my ***** is bigger than your ***** whining that goes on, choose what you personally like and forget everyone else, everyones taste is different and always will be, so long as the device you have is supported thats fine.

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# WOWGuest 2006-08-18 07:02
Shock Horror, the Toyota Echo/Vitz will outsell the Porsche 911 Turbo. It must be better, right? Right?



Wrong! I buy for me and my decision to purchase doesn't depend on how many retards are buying something. Top 10 chart music is also popular but crap, just like the DS.



Besides, 13+ million is an excellent effort for a first attempt.

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# Fanboys = l0rnGuest 2006-08-18 07:04
Do you lot realise how pathetic you all sound?



Waa waa waa, DS is better, no the PSP is.



Grow the ***** up, you're arguing over game systems.

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# RepliesGuest 2006-08-18 07:11
Hm. Many of you are completely going insane knowing the PSP isn't doing as well as you'd hoped. Here are some replies that should help clear things up.



#10: Thank you. You made me laugh out loud XD I think you were being sarcastic, but someone already replied if you weren't. DS sold 227,369 in Australia according to that and PSP sold 145,345. Well, that's up to June 4th anyway.

http://ds.qj.net/DS-One-Ups-PSP-Down-Under/pg/49/aid/56058



#17: Actually, it's a proven fact that the DS fanbase (at least in Japan, not researched in USA) contains much more 30+ year olds than the PSP



#21: Actually, the PSP and DS launched at the same time in the country the DS is doing best in - Japan. It's the other countries that PSP launched later in. Also, wouldn't be hypocritical? The GCN and Xbox launched a year after the PS2 but they don't get the same excuse? Prices and launch dates are strategies for better sales. Sony can't make excuses, it doesn't change their situation.



#23: The DS has homebrew too. There has been homebrew since the days of the GBA. I think even the GBC had homebrew.



#24: VGCharts is wrong in this case. I know for a fact that Nintendo DS sold 21 million a while ago. I also know that the PSP has shipped 20 million (but only sold around 13 million as shown above). The numbers come from NPD, Media-Create, ChartTrack. The DS sells more in one week in Japan than the PSP does in one month in the USA (its strongest market). I don't think the PSP will be taking the lead anytime soon. And again, the Christmas thing is not an excuse. It doesn't change the situation Sony is finding themselves in. They're still almost 10 million units behind their biggest competitor. The DS Lite sold 196,000 in Japan last week. PSP sold 40,000. How do they make up for that to get more third party support?



#30: PSP isn't dead, and no one has said that. You are the one who is thinking about that. However, UMD sales are MUCH lower than DS cart sales. The best selling UMD game in the USA last month was NCAA Football at 49,000. Six DS games sold bewteen 50,000 and 300,000. DS software is doing much better than PSP software, believe me. Flash carts aren't too expensive either.



#31: I don't know where the user who submitted those numbers gets his numbers, but the USA and Japan numbers are right. Australia is right up to June 4th. Not sure about Canada. DS sold at LEAST 5 million in Europe so that may be right, not sure.

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# O_o?Guest 2006-08-18 07:13
Someone posted sales figures, but the PSP link was showing shipped units, not units sold. And also yeah it reflects the number of people buying them to replace DSes if theirs broke, but you could say the same for PS2 dominating in sales as well. And aren't games for kids with no jobs and just school, that just want to have fun when they're young unlike us older people who have jobs, and spend more time working, then we do at home? I just play games to feel like a kid again and enjoy life, makes me forget how it is being an adult :P

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# the real thing is:isti 2006-08-18 07:16
DS is for 5 year olds..



I sold one PSP, and the guy brought it back after a week,

because it was too difficult to play on it for his 12 year old son.. (he bought a PS2 instead)



PSP is way much more than a gaming console..

pspupdates proves this every single day..

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# ..Guest 2006-08-18 07:21
The last persons to talk about how more units sold meaning nothing are sony fanboys, who back a company that has produced teh best selling consoles in 2 generations already.

As for the: "It's cuz its cheaper duh" argument, then GC n64 etc, which wer emuch cheaper hardware then psx/ps2 shoudl be dominating too..guess thats another argument u had thats gone down the drain

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# moronsGuest 2006-08-18 07:24
I dont get it, why do you have to hate the competition just because of your love for one system? you dont have to like it but hateing on it is retarded.



also you sony fanboys realy crack me up. when xbox came out you made fun of it for being big and now defen ps3 for being big. you said graphics dont matter when xbox fanboys raved about their machines power now you do the same with the ps3. then to top it all off you guys are spitting out the obvious, that ds is cheaper so it should sell better but then on the x360 side of things you make fun of it for haveing worse sails that ps2 even thogh the price difference is even greater. bunch of hypocrits.

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# 1337Guest 2006-08-18 07:27
1337, that says it all |33""[]""

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# ..Guest 2006-08-18 07:32
Drop the f%$ing price of your hardware and software Sony.. I mean, it's too little too late by now, DS won the race.. but the gap wouldn't be so incredibly huge..

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# well...Guest 2006-08-18 07:42
i bought the DS at launch,the PSP at launch and the DS Lite at launch...



i picked up Mario 64,Feel the Magic,and Madden 05...

if it wasn't for feel the magic,i would have been disappointed,Ma dden was okay,anyone who played the psp Maddens got the same crappy game for the 06 edition...with slightly better graphics.

Wario,Mario Kart,Metroid,Ne w SMB,and a few dozen more games made this system stand out,and now you have final fantasy 3,a new pokemon,basical ly a good mixture of games hitting the shelves over the next few months.

With the psp we have Vice City (the GTA era is dead,why this game didn't have online escapes me)



you know what,i wanted to point out the good and bad of both systems,but my suggestion is to get both,you'll go back and forth on playing them...when i got my psp i played that untill a few games caught my intrest on the ds,sadly emulation seems to take up my psp alot,but Socom is great.



so,get both ya cheap bastards!

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# Leaders are the bestGuest 2006-08-18 07:43
PS2 + DS combo FTW! PSP fans are starting to sound like X-Box fans. OMG! PSP AM FOR HARDCORE GAMERZ! DS AM KIDDIE!

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# I have bothGuest 2006-08-18 07:43
a DS and a PSP. I bought the psp strictly for homebrew and nothing else. Why? Because I knew that the games would be pretty crappy. I got a DS Lite several weeks after it came out and I gotta say that it's worth buying these games. The games are innovative and interactive (touch screen). The next system I'll be getting will not be a ps3 or Xbox360 but will be the Wii due to the interactive gameplay. Now that's nextgen. All these other systems just have a beefed up cpu/gpu and all the same crap first person games.

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# includes? & blame WalMartGuest 2006-08-18 07:43
Do these numbers include DS-Lites in the DS number or is it just the DS.



I can understand why Nintendo is selling more, they have a previous installed user basewhile the PSP does not on the handheld end. Also without the DS-lite, i think these sales wouldbe a little closer by a few mil(personally)





now a rant that will trail off due to doing tomany things at once.... ignore it



Also go into Walmart and look at the selections... see somthing odd with the psp? All the good games are usualy missing, they have the sports games, ps2 ports, and crap games that are stereotypical of the ps2 crowd on display. While the DS selection has alot variation in its selection. Walmart as usual is lacking in their research and puts out what they think will sell, the stereotypical *****s, and wont take chances. By putting everything in the same crowds for each system, their hurting the psp while helping the ds.



By the way ever try out the ds in any game store or walmart? they dont work right 99% of the time, they have cracks, touch screen doesnt work right, ect. The psps work fine, sure they have old ass demos in them but i see them played more usualy.

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# DuhGuest 2006-08-18 07:44
How is it a paradigm when people go from good graphics to gameplay?



That has very little to do with it.



Nintendo was always the top leading handheld provider. People trust them. The DS is quite a heft amount cheaper. It also suits CHILDREN much better. You do not see young children with PSPs as often as you do with DS. PSP is expensive and adult oriented. DS is inexpensive and fun to play with for all ages. Its a travesty to compare such great devices when they both serve such different purposes.

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# Except the DS's demographic =/= kids.Guest 2006-08-18 07:49
A surprisingly high amount of people age 40+ own the system.



By the way, I'm assuming these figures were taken from one of my topics on the GameFAQs boards? ;)

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# oh noDarkLink5607 2006-08-18 07:56
jesus, not another one of these articles that will end up having a thousand posts because of fanboys arguing over which handheld is better, or which next-gen system is better. None of the next-gen systems will ever run unlicensed apps without a modchip or some other hack like swap magic (i only like the psp for homebrew apps). That's why my next system will be a new computer, one that can run project64 properly

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# Well...Guest 2006-08-18 07:57
It's better than Gameboy vs. Gamegear, that's for sure.



Nintendo's had been the only one in the handheld biz for a long time, so it's great to be in second place...although second place was always open for the taking.

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# Why can't you admit defeat?Guest 2006-08-18 07:59
- Admit defeat -



PSP fanboys, why can't you admit defeat? will there be no proof that will make you admit that the DS is supreme among the handhelds? why must you keep arguing and accept the facts.



- Kiddie system -



I am almost 27 years old, definately not a kiddie, and I'm going to buy a DS Lite soon, so stop with that "kiddie system" crap, an overly graphic-loaded FPS does not make an adult game, I enjoy at my age all the fun and addictive games that the Nintendo had throughout all of its systems.



- Game-only system -



One of the many misconceptions is that the DS is a gaming only device while the PSP is a full media system, well, ever heard of Flash carts? if not, google for M3, Supercard, EZ Flash IV, DS-X and you'll soon realise that the DS can do all those things as well, emulation, organizer, mp3 playback, eBook reading, movie playback, ScummVM (Day of the Tentacle anyone?), even an FTP server, drawing software, IRC client, and many many more with an active homebrew scene.



In closing, the PSP is a good system, but it is most definately not better than the DS, it's a good effort though.

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# .Guest 2006-08-18 08:02
i dont get it, im no sony fanboy at all, the psp is the first sony console ive ever owned, BUT why wouldnt people get the handheld with the much better graphics etc etc (the PSP), and get the semi-sucky SD??? i dont get it...

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# here we go againGuest 2006-08-18 08:02
ok, i'm going to try and explain this as simple as possible.



the PSP has sold 13.37 million units, *WITHOUT* undergoing a redesign (ie, the DS Lite).



most of the 14 million people that bought the original Nintendo DS, have bought a DS Lite, thus beefing up Nintendo's numbers over Sony's.



when or if Sony releases a PSP redesign, expect PSP sales to jump, as those 13.37 million who own a PSP may consider buying a PSP "Lite," especially if they are big homebrew fans, and want to keep their original PSP at whatever firmware they are using (i myself will probably get another PSP at some point, though it's mainly for my fiance. since she doesn't play emulators, i'd just upgrade hers with firmware updates and play all the new games. lol).



both handhelds are great, and cater to their specific markets.



also, the PSP not having any good games is getting pretty old, especially since the quality of it's games have been going *UP* since it's release. the problem with coming out of the park hitting home runs (DS) is that the only real place to go is down.



look at the new Star Wars game being made specifically for the PSP and DS. it's enevitable that the developers of that title will be able to get more out of the high power system than the underpowered system, in terms of gameplay, and or features. i'm not making a prediction saying that the PSP version will be better because of it's horsepower, but that the developers working on that version have a bit more room to work with due to it. it's all up to them, however, in how they use it.

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# RE: FigboyGuest 2006-08-18 08:06
Let me say this across five lines:



Software sales do not reflect the hypothesis that people are rebuying their DSes.

Software sales do not reflect the hypothesis that people are rebuying their DSes.

Software sales do not reflect the hypothesis that people are rebuying their DSes.

Software sales do not reflect the hypothesis that people are rebuying their DSes.

Software sales do not reflect the hypothesis that people are rebuying their DSes.

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# psp is way betterGuest 2006-08-18 08:06
nocomment

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# To 49Kaemon 2006-08-18 08:06
Umm... not really. I was just at Wal-mart the other day (Getting new headphones for PSP >>;;) And the PSP section was, not only in front, but had all the games, while the DS section was in back, and smaller as well, and didnt have as many games...

Also, the PSP had 3 sections! One at the front with the games, another in the middle with games and systems, and then one again, in the back, with UMD movies! Much more shelf space then the DS and stuff.



Anyway... onto the more general subject.....



People need to stop freakin out, the PSP is selling a prefectly normal amount, the DS is just... selling a abnormal amount.



And people who say only kids and stuff play the DS, well, back in high school I saw alot more 17 year olds or so, playing the DS (Ahaha, me included there...) then I did the PSP! I only saw one other person besides me with a PSP! Or something like that... either way... and these went people who couldent afford it, at my high school, I swear, more then half the people there had Ipods ya know, FAR from being poor people....



I also must say this, the reasons the PSP isnt doing AS well, which is lack of games and other small issues, is a real reason, in fact, if it wasnt for the fact that I first got a PSP as a Psudo replacment for my MP3 player, since ya know, it was a rather big upgrade, I would have to say that originaly I used my DS more for their respective purposes originaly...



Though, now 3 PSPs later, and finaly a 1.5, I use my PSP much more then DS, though for gaming, I still prefer DS, which is whats important to the selling factor...



And ummmm... huh, I think I have ranted long enough.... hmm.... >>;;

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# On the graphics vs gameplayGuest 2006-08-18 08:07
People keep sayin we should by games for gameplay instead of graphics. ur not seein the "advanced handheld" side of things. if the game doesnt have good graphics but has awsome gameplay, then it can most likely be put on a gba. its known that most games dont take advantage of the touch screen and the buttons at the same time, so if the touch screen part is innovative in a graphics low game, it could be put on a palm or a pocket pc. ever here of the zodiac? we buy these consoles for the graphics and power behind them. if we just wanted innovative gameplay u can get that on any system.

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# psp is way betterGuest 2006-08-18 08:11
the psp is a lot better to have because you can listen music, games, internet support, and watch your pc videos without have to buy them umds. nds has been craced on the edges. whats up with tooo many re-designs of nintendo. i don't need two screens. psp doesn't have mp3, internet, video quality. overall i don't want nintendo 64 again. the ds games never go down= super mario advance 3 and 4 are still the same price it hasn't gone to atleast 20.00. psp games are only 20.00

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# To 61Kaemon 2006-08-18 08:13
Only a few PSP games have gone down to 20, and yes, nintendo has a Players Choice thing, and you can find tons of GBA games and stuff for $20 and under, ya know. And ya know, alota things can alow you to listen to music, play games, brows the internet, and watch videos... that doesnt make them better.

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# >>to 54Guest 2006-08-18 08:15
- Game-only system -



One of the many misconceptions is that the DS is a gaming only device while the PSP is a full media system, well, ever heard of Flash carts? if not, google for M3, Supercard, EZ Flash IV, DS-X and you'll soon realise that the DS can do all those things as well, emulation, organizer, mp3 playback, eBook reading, movie playback, ScummVM (Day of the Tentacle anyone?), even an FTP server, drawing software, IRC client, and many many more with an active homebrew scene.







wrong. The DS is a gaming only device. People call the psp a media device instead because when it ships, it has the ability to play songs, videos, pics, and games. with updates it can web browse to. The DS can't do this and even updated it still can't. you have to buy external devices to do it. I can get my ti-83 to play music, but that doesnt make it an mp3 player(really cool though)

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# >>to 63Guest 2006-08-18 08:29
You're right, out of the box it can't do that, but you can get a DS Lite with the flashing solution and it would still cost you less than a PSP.

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# >>64Guest 2006-08-18 08:33
yes, but moneys not so much of an issue. and most ppl outside of the homebrew community(which these sales numbers include) don't know about the flashing solutions. and with so many to choose from the average user doesnt generaly know which one to use.

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# Gaming is oneGuest 2006-08-18 08:48
Why Sony and Nintendo fans always fight with each others? Afterall, All of them are videogames!

DS = PSP

Yes I own both

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# LISTEN TO FIGBOY!!Guest 2006-08-18 08:50
he is correct on every way.ppls that have an original DS mostlikely bought a new DSlite!simple as that. For instance, when GBA was out and after GBA-SP came out, that also sold like hot cakes!so its not like DS is better, its just that the new redesinged DSlite attracted the owners of the old DS!!

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# :OGuest 2006-08-18 08:56
I blew my DS up... So I dont care for it anymore. And yes when I say blew up I mean with a ton of firecrackers :)

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# Very trueGuest 2006-08-18 08:58
#67 is very true! Sorry, but almost everyone I know who owns a dslite owned a ds before it.



PSP is the best hand held system made to me, and I don't care what others think.

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# nintendo and their tricksGuest 2006-08-18 08:58
ninendo has reinvented the wheel several times and the fanboys keep buying, giving nintendo the sales for the handheld.. thats all... I gave up on that a long time ago.. they ship any turd in a box and the fans will jump at it like gold

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# PSP Man!Guest 2006-08-18 09:04
Everybody knows the PSP is better, I mean, why would I want to have fun on a game system? that's insane, I want to be able to look at cool graphics and nice colors, 3D is cool, yeah! everything with depth and stuff... and my big screen! woohoo... so I can see more awesome graphics while not having fun at all, oh and by the way, I also like to wait a whole lot of time while the game loads, this is the core of handheld games in my opinion, the more you wait for the game, the more un-fun you can have and when the game actually loads, you get to watch so cool graphics, dude!



Oh... and I hate innovation! a touch screen? for a gaming device? no! I want to do the exact same thing, I don't want to start exploring new ways of interacting with my games, that's silly, I might end up having fun... and that would detract from watching the awesome graphics...

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# moronsGuest 2006-08-18 09:11
I dont get it, why do you have to hate the competition just because of your love for one system? you dont have to like it but hateing on it is retarded.



also you sony fanboys realy crack me up. when xbox came out you made fun of it for being big and now defen ps3 for being big. you said graphics dont matter when xbox fanboys raved about their machines power now you do the same with the ps3. then to top it all off you guys are spitting out the obvious, that ds is cheaper so it should sell better but then on the x360 side of things you make fun of it for haveing worse sails that ps2 even thogh the price difference is even greater. bunch of hypocrits.

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# both are goodGuest 2006-08-18 09:13
i just sold my PSP as i was bored with it i bought a DS lite I much prefer the DS with my psp i played GTA got bored and then played SNES games on it so the best thing about a PSP is the emulators it would not be half as popular without the homebrew capabilities it has

such as console emulators and iso loaders

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# .Guest 2006-08-18 09:15
>> Why Sony and Nintendo fans always fight with each others? Afterall, All of them are videogames!



Because it's exciting, but at the end of the day, we are all gamers and we love each other.



I wish the only war in the world was the DS vs. PSP war

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# I own bothSoma 2006-08-18 09:15
I like my DS and PSP equally. But if there's one company that's known to live off people's nostalgia its Nintendo. I mean, games such as Mariokart and Animal Crossing are still at a $34.99 price tag, and they were released around 10 months ago. I guarentee you that if Sony hadnt entered the handheld market, Nintendi wouldnt have ever come up with the DS. Just live off the GB line.

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# Nothing new under the sunGuest 2006-08-18 09:17
It's very simple. The PSP is a useful machine to have around the house, and I've certainly played on or two decent games. I like it, not so much for the games but for the homebrew. The homebrew community is doing what Sony should have done.



On the DS, there's no need for that. It's a 100% gaming device, and Nintendo is working its A55 off to make sure the games are fun to play. That can NOT be said about Sony, they've forsaken the PSP a long time ago - again, probably because they realized the homebrew community runs the show now.



I own both, and I don't regret buying any of them. But the DS has better games.

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# GOD I'M SICK OF THESEGuest 2006-08-18 09:34
Is everyone one here blind??? The DS is a new system compared to the PSP, THEREFORE unless it is a complete POS it will outsell the PSP. BUSINESS 101. That's doesn't mean the PSP is "losing", why don't you make some goddamn charts of TOTAL SALES OVERALL and see how many of each are out there.

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# Guest 2006-08-18 09:35
don't forget that the PSP is The first portable game device that is to share the market of the GBA and DS . The wonderswann neogeo pocket , Game gear or gp xx are far away from the PSP .



i only see a first portable device are third behind Nintendo in the share of the market.



No pb for me i own both consoles



Fccukk

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# just thought id repost thismaverick990 2006-08-18 09:49
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message

?board.id=psp&message.id=2454450



the figures stated in the article are incorrect, the correct figures are stated in the articles linked to in the preceding.



the 13.37 million figure was probably a joke by the ds fanboy that sent in these numbers.



i really dont care because i have a psp and dslite.

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# 1337 PSPGuest 2006-08-18 09:50
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# Meh. Random RepliesGuest 2006-08-18 09:59
Too many fanboys. I'll respond to a few.



Figboy: Sorry. Your DS Lite is selling because it's new argument doesn't fly. Software sales that increased DRAMATICALLY after the DS Lite launch shows that people were waiting for the Lite to come out before making their purchase. If they had a DS, they'd have already bought games like New Super Mario Bros. and Brain Age before the Lite launched. A PSP redesign wont' do that well because the PSP looks great (visually appealing) as it is. The old DS was ugly as sin.



maverick990: You're misinterpreting the numbers. DS numbers reported by Nintendo are SOLD, as in SOLD to consumers. PSP numbers reported by Sony are SHIPPED, as in SHIPPED to retailers/warehouses. PSP has sold 13mil/20mil shipped. DS has sold 21mil/XXmil shipped.

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# pssss....Guest 2006-08-18 10:04
How come this site attracts so many dumb asses and their dumb ass comments??



Here's the reason why DS has a larger sale figure.



The primary demographic for handhelds is for kids. Kids enjoy playing soft games like Nintendogs. Hence, the DS is more attractive than the PSP. The PSP is more geared for adults or mature people.



For example,



ratio of kids that play video games: 1:1

ratio of adults that play video games: 1:2



So, if there are 20 million kids, that means 20 million DS sales. If there are 20 million adults, that meants 10 million PSP sales since the other 10 million adults don't play video games. This is only a simple example, but this is how the handheld market share operates.



There you have it.

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# Aren't you guys tired of this?Guest 2006-08-18 10:14
Aren't you guys tired of this 1337 thingy, I mean, ok, we got it, how many people are going to repeat it?

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# quite rightcomedy 2006-08-18 10:17
i would gladly go and buy a ds lite if i could afford it... basically i had funds enough to buy ONE handheld, and i chose psp for the homebrew and potential games.



psp has got some good games, and others are on the way, it'll probably do good business this holiday and next year...



the ds is cool, and i want one, but only having games i have to buy isn't cost effective for me, i had to have homebrew... and the psp homebrew scene is truly amazing, just look at amazing apps like irshell or snes9x... awesome.





yeah, i don't like the animosity between the fanboys, but this article is simply pointing out that ds has done better than psp... it may not be ACTUALLY better, but that's totally subjective.

one thing, take away japan and it's very close (i have always advocated that japan is the most important region, and perhaps here we're seeing the 'future' of gaming...)

the japanese have embraced the ds like it was their next of kin.











you know, the most important part is that BOTH systems are selling pretty good, so neither will go down the pan, and both sides of the argument will not have wasted their money. try to be nice people.

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# Nintendo fanboy articleGuest 2006-08-18 10:29
"We see a paradigm shift towards gameplay as opposed to high graphics."



What a load of bull*****. So you mean by this that in PSP games there's no gameplay whatsoever? Gameplay opposed to graphics? So you can't have both in any game? This is just that old tired Nintendo fanboy rhetoric...



How about some unbiased blogs for a change?

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# homebrewGuest 2006-08-18 10:33
"the ds is cool, and i want one, but only having games i have to buy isn't cost effective for me, i had to have homebrew... and the psp homebrew scene is truly amazing, just look at amazing apps like irshell or snes9x... awesome."



comedy, you can have homebrew with DS too and play free homebrew, emulation, etc... with devices such as the supercard and the m3

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# yeah, but not as extensivecomedy 2006-08-18 10:40
ds homebrew is nothing compared to psp. also, psp appeared to have the greatest potential wrt homebrew when i weighed up my options (it's more powerful, has larger screen, looked cooler at the time, and is playstation - i care).



yeah ds has homebrew, but it can't do what psp can... and there's a stupid amount of psp homebrew out there, everything your heart could desire... AND! the psone emulator... the moment i heard there was a possibility of homebew on psp i thought psone on the move....

that's all.

i have bought 2 games for psp, i broke one... it's all homebrew for me.

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# Rushan by your logic the 360 has killed the PS3 and WiiTheProfessor 2006-08-18 10:43
Your arguments are faulty at best. You say timing and having an extra Christmas doesn't matter? Are you mad? Oh wait no I forgot Fanboys don't have sense. Here are some points for your to consider.



* The reason it doesn't matter for the Xbox and gamecube is because their generation is completely dead meaning there is no way they can catch up. Sales from those machines have stopped almost completely.



* When you are talking about the start of a system's life and when it's getting most of it sales you have to take into account time. Japan is the only thing keeping the DS much higher than the PSP and that is simply because of one type of game. Brain Age. This has cause a tremendous amount of demand for the DS in Japan and the top 5 games in Japan usually have 3 brain training games. Hardware revisions also matter. The DS fat was very poorly designed and looked like crap compared to the much sexier psp. Many DS fans had to rebuy their hardware just to not be shame of carrying one of these things.



* I like to point out is that PSP and DS are being compared but the DS is not getting the market Sony is targeting. Most people who want or have a PSP would not ever consider a DS.



* Homebrew on the DS is like homebrew on the PS2. Is almost non existent.



* If you dominate the Top 10 sales, it does not mean your machine sells more software. It means you have a few titles that sell really well. The PS2 currently sells about 30-40 times more software than the DS and 360 but it sometimes hardly makes the top 10.

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# Guest 2006-08-18 10:49
Everyone who says the ds is a 'kids toy', have you seen the ds lite? And if you're gonna b1tch against the ds do it in the psp site.

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# oh no, not againcomedy 2006-08-18 10:57
can i quickly say that if a news article features psp and ds it's one BOTH ds and psp sites, and they SHARE comments lists... hence the fanboy battle.



who here would say no to a free ds? or psp for that matter? we all want a gaming machine, just mostly we have budgets and have to try to justify choosing one system over another by putting the other one down. be cool, guys

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# to comedyGuest 2006-08-18 10:58
well, DS homebrew can currently allow you to do a lot of things, that includes emulating NES, SMS, and other systems from that era, as well as GENESIS (MEGA DRIVE) and SNES emulation is getting there, add to that native GBA support which the PSP is not powerful enough to fully emulate, it can play adventure games via the ScummVM DS port, which the PSP also has, but I think you'll agree with me that the stylus is much closer to the original input method for these games (mouse) as opposed to the gamepad, you can also play your mp3s and watch video, although granted video playback on the smaller screen of the DS is not recommended, but when you think about it, the PSP has a larger screen but still too small to really enjoy movies, you can use DSorganize to turn your DS into a PDA (which for me was a selling point as I was in the market for a PDA and a game device, and the DS combined both at a more attractive price), you can read eBooks, you can play homebrew games obviously, and there are a lot more applications such as IRC, FTP, an application to control WinAmp from the DS, and many many more...



So, what are you looking for that the DS can't offer you in that department?

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# All retarted fanboys are gayGuest 2006-08-18 10:59
Half the people here are retarded cause they post like this.



OMFG h@xz0rs Lollolkrofl PSP is 1337 cause it gots 13.37 sales and it r toly betar cuse DS is fer lil kids LOL. PSP is fer teh ub3r cool people lolololo. DS design r teh retarded. DS sales r teh ub3r fake cuse the DS lite were released and it r made all nintendo fanboys buy them lol.



Or this.



DS isn't fer kids, PSP is teh gay cuse it's gots no good games cuse it r multimedia platform. DS gots all good games whil PSP gots teh gey games cuse it gots only good grafix cause it r teh gay. Innovation is ub3r aw3some and grafix r fer retards lolololk ROFL.



I do see tho that it's mostly psp fanboys that have 4 or 7 word posts saying PSP r way bettar. End of story.



Each system has their strengths. DS has a larger demographic to go to (cause of their non-game games), and innovative gameplay. Innovation isn't always good because some developers mess it up. It has more good games at the moment, but a lot of them won't appeal to the normal casual gamer that only plays sports games or GTA . It's also cheaper.



PSP has multimedia capabilities, a seemingly more developed homebrew community, and has good graphics. It also has the games that a niche of games gamers already come to know and love such as sports games, GTA, and some good console games on the go.



It might not be balanced, but I tried to make it balanced. Both systems have their strengths though. It all depends on your priorities for buying a handheld.

I'll also clarify some things. DS isn't for kids. PSP DOES has good games. Graphics are still worth something. PSP had the PS2 fanbase to go off so sales are NOT UNFAIR. I'll say it again.



DS isn't for kids. PSP DOES has good games.

DS isn't for kids. PSP DOES has good games.

DS isn't for kids. PSP DOES has good games.

DS isn't for kids. PSP DOES has good games.



Graphics are still worth something. PSP had the PS2 fanbase to go off.

Graphics are still worth something. PSP had the PS2 fanbase to go off.

Graphics are still worth something. PSP had the PS2 fanbase to go off.

Graphics are still worth something. PSP had the PS2 fanbase to go off.



Did I say these enough times? Damn, all of the fanboys are just saying "My handheld is better lol. Since I said it's better, it must be better lol OMFG lololololo hAx!"

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# TheProfessorGuest 2006-08-18 11:10
Obviously Christmas matters and anyone who doesn't think so is an idiot. What I'm saying is that the fact that the PSP wasn't ready for Christmas shouldn't be used as an excuse. Nothing should be used as an excuse. Launching before Christmas and at a lower price point was a strategy by Nintendo. Using the Christmas/Price excuse isn't going to help Sony. The PSP has still sold almost 10 million less than the Nintendo DS and they aren't catching up.



*I was merely saying that GCN and Xbox fanboys could use the same excuse but it would mean absolutely nothing.



*Since the software drought for the DS ended (Nintendogs started the end of the drought), DS has been consistently outselling the PSP in many parts of the world. Brain Age and Nintendogs started the DS sales in Japan. Now games like Animal Crossing and New Super Mario Bros. are showing that there's more room for "real games" as people call them. And like I pointed out before, although people re-bought the DS Lite, a vast majority of DS Lite owners never owned a DS. NSMB sales tripled with the DS Lite launch. That alone should show you that people buying the DS Lite aren't necessarily the same ones who bought the DS. I have a DS and have no intention of buying a DS Lite.



*That's what lots of people say and it's damage control - plain and simple. The same goes for Wii/PS3/360. They're all competing for gamers and they know it. Seeing all the GBA owners who split into PSP and DS, they're obviously going for some of the same market. The gaming market.



*Homebrew on the DS is existent and it's alright, but obviously no where close to the PSP. I'd say the DS scene is comparable to the Xbox scene



*The DS software sales are still better than the PSP sales. Especially in Japan where the PSP has as software tie-in ratio of 1.xx.



I don't think the PSP is dead. I'd say it'll go through this handheld generation just fine. However, is has completely failed to live up to the expectations of all the gaming publications that expected it to trounce the DS.

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# totally right... you're rightcomedy 2006-08-18 11:13
DSLITE you're right, it can do all those things, and more i suspect...



psp can also do that stuff, a tiny bit more, and has the potential to do rather more... i am mostly playing gba emulator (with roms i don't own the original to) and snes emulator... and i'm very excited by daedalus.

also, just a few days ago psxp was announced (psone emulator),



yeah, ds has some games i sorely want to play, but psp also has some games i would rather miss if i had a ds instead. with devhook, and admittedly i have downloaded some illegal iso's :( ... i have played some real gems, lumines, burnout, tekken, every extend extra, loco roco, ridge racers, everybodys golf, wipeout pure, gta... and some otherrs....



basically, i want everything for free, and i get more for free with psp than i would with ds.

your points are valid, and i don't disagree, i want a dslite, but i made my choice and i don't regret it. psp ftw!

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# paradigm shift?Guest 2006-08-18 11:14
How on earth is this a paradigm shift? The first gameboy trounced a boatload of competitors that were more technically advanced. Hell even on the console side the ps2 dominated the Xbox's sales in the last generation. The average consumer does not buy the hardware based on power alone. There is no paradigm shift here.

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# Note on JapanGuest 2006-08-18 11:15
To clear up confusion, but Japan is a very unique place. Most people there commute using train - often for hours at a time. A handheld is very useful for those rides. It's not too wierd to see adults playing handheld systems, unlike here where a 30 year old with a PSP or DS is uncommon. This is why their handheld market is bigger than the US. Also, once Japan picks a console to go with, the other one is screwed. In Japan, there's no such thing as equal marketshare. One console rules them all. Once they see one console is winning, everybody gravitates towards it. Ever seen PS2 vs Xbox and GCN? SNES vs Genesis? The handheld war in Japan is already Nintendo's. Sony can't do anything about that there. Sony should focus on the west.

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# Flash cards?Guest 2006-08-18 11:19
nocomment

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# InterestingGuest 2006-08-18 11:22
Interesting read



I was considering buying either a DS or a PSP but I'll probably go for a cheese sandwich at the end... yummy...

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# @ #91Guest 2006-08-18 11:23
The DS homebrew is whimpy compared to PSP. DS can't even emulate CPS 1&2 or any of the Neo Geo systems.



LOL, do some research before you troll.

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# you're almost right rushancomedy 2006-08-18 11:25
the way i see it is that psp is doing well, basically it's sold 13 million in a year and a few months. that's quite good, but ds has surpassed expectations...



so i think you have it the wrong way round, psp hasn't trounced ds like publications predicted, and this is because ds has succeeded, not because psp has failed. it's a crucial difference, and one i feel ought to be highlighted.

ds was a risky venture, nintendo chose well and succeeded, but the risk was that no one would want to play that kind of system and they'd lose the one market they currently own.



what's more, psp is not down and out yet. of course ds has some delights left for us, but psp COULD go for redesign, and who knows that might work... it will have the psone emulator, and perhaps most important to me: there's mgs portable ops (i totally love mgs) and final fantasy 7 crisis core (i totally love the ff series too).





psp is probably going to be around for a while, lets remember sony have been rather busy with ps3 lately, and they'll be really stressing the importance of buying ps3 and psp come this christmas. i know nintendo are doing the wii, but it's not going to cripple them if wii doesn't work out.

yes, ds is winning but i don't feel like a loser.

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# huh?Guest 2006-08-18 11:27
Troll? I was merely stating what the DS homebrew can do

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# yeah, DSLITE has been good and rationalcomedy 2006-08-18 11:34
you needn't be mean to him, he's just saying it how it is... he's simply putting counter points to my 'reasons to get psp over ds'... take it easy chap.

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# Guest 2006-08-18 11:34
anyone who has a ds has a small penis, especially my freinds who traded in his psp for a ds.

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# Gameboy vs. GamegearGuest 2006-08-18 11:41
I wonder if there was a Gameboy vs. Gamegear war back in the days, there was no internet back than so I guess it was on a much smaller scale, perhaps in BBSes, but it might have been too early even for that, don't remember

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# comedyGuest 2006-08-18 11:45
I agree. PSP hasn't failed exactly. The DS has succeded. I just mean that it hasn't lived up to the press' expectations. I remember everyone thinking PSP would do to the DS what the PS2 was doing to the GCN and Xbox.



Game Gear was kinda like the PSP, but it failed pretty quickly. I'm not sure exactly how it worked. I remember having a GG and a GB when I was younger. Sonic

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# Guest 2006-08-18 11:48
DS = Damn Sweet



PSP = Pricey, Sh***y Product

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# yeah..Guest 2006-08-18 11:49
I had a GB and my friend, which smelt kinda funny, had a GG, and I remember being very impressed by it's colorful display, I wonder how it failed so



I hope this won't happen to the PSP as I think it's a good system, Nintendo seem to be crushing every competitor, I feel sorry for SEGA, I love their games

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# RoflGuest 2006-08-18 11:51
PSP got owned...



That DS Lite is lookin mighty fine right about now...

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# Guest 2006-08-18 11:53
DS = Dragon Simple



PSP = Pillow Scientist Pile

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# Guest 2006-08-18 11:55
I still don't know why Sony fanboys are calling the DS a "kiddy's system". Just because it doesn't have GTA (which IMO gets really boring quickly) doesn't mean it's just for kids. Believe it or not I know more adults than kids who have a DS and think it's great.

I got both consoles and I only use my PSP for homebrew and my DS for games - infact the only reason I bought a PSP was for the homebrew. For the PSP2, we'll just have to see if Sony steal... I mean think of new ideas to make it as good as the DS.

Oh and for 103, your friends made a wise decision by trading in ;).

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# ...for real...look it up.Guest 2006-08-18 11:56
DS = Damn Sucks!



PSP = Powerful Sexy Prestigous

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# i like the ds mostGuest 2006-08-18 12:02
i like the ds better because it like... it is more fun... i like to rub against it it treats me right the psp is good too i love it make me feel good inside but i love also ds from nintundo because i like to sleep next to it on my pillow is nice, good?

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# i remember the gameboy gamegear warcomedy 2006-08-18 12:05
i used to argue about that stuff, i thought gameboy won because of tetris, but of course my pals thought gamegear won with columns... then mario vs sonic...

and there was always the gimp in the corner who had an atari lynx... lol... on the advert it showed how you could link 4 together or something, but it seemed that there were so few lynx's in the uk that finding 2 lynx's in close proximity was a statistical impossibiliy...



gamegear had some cool stuff, it was better than gameboy but it ate batteries like there was no tomorrow, 6 AA batteries would last less than 2 hours...

then it had that tv attachment, now that was cool.

as i recall GG was more expensive than GB and there were so few people who actually played games back then that there was only room for one handheld on the market.

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# ...for real...look it up.Guest 2006-08-18 12:09
edit:



DS = Divine System



PSP = Pretty Solid Portable

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# yeahGuest 2006-08-18 12:16
Yeah I seem to recall battery draining was a major issue with the GG, I remember my friend, which smelt kinda funny, always *****ing about it as he would pour his wrath upon it until it was covered in blood and urine

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# .FLai 2006-08-18 12:21
$ony are lying, manipulating b4st4rds. Nintendo always have done right by their customers. I for one have never had a bad experience with Nintendo. I have, however, had many with $ony. I hardly play my PSP anymore because it is a boring, badly designed machine with a plethora of terrible games. The DS however, has many more good games than the PSP. And a much better battery life. And easier to play without getting handcramps. You $ony stupid arsehole fanboys can go to hell. The DS is better than the PSP. Classic Sony, trying to make an all in one machine and fail at it. Nintendo know what the public want. Games and games consoles And they give that to them. $ony try to market the PSP as a multimedia machine and end up getting a crap system. And the PS3 will suffer the same fate and any other consoles after it will until Sony learns what the public want.

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# Age rangePSPLord 2006-08-18 12:27
In Japan (I know, I see it everyday) DS is extremely popular but PSP is gaining market.



DS market is composed of people younger than 12 years old. One of you said (don't remember who) that the market here (Japan) is composed of 30+. Well, you are totally wrong there. The people over 30 who buy the DS usually only own ONE game: Brain Training.



The people who buy DS are children, nostalgics and people who can't pay a PSP. Also Japanese people are very loyal to Nintendo. I've always liked Nintendo myself (not that I'm Japanese)



Anyway, both machines are great in their own way and people saying that PSP games are crap and blah, blah are just bind and stupid fanboys.

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# Stop these wars alreadyGuest 2006-08-18 12:27
Come on guys, don't you get tired of these wars? these are both good systems designed for different markets, they should not be compared



I own a DS, but that's just my preference, I don't think the PSP is a bad system, my friend has a PSP and she loves it

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# @114 *****Guest 2006-08-18 12:31
that guy over there used my name, i didn't post that, the DS is ok but I would never call it divine, PSP FTW!!! 1337!!!

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# Guest 2006-08-18 12:33
lol i still think 13.37 is better hehe just cuase psp is so leet

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# !!!!!!!!!!Guest 2006-08-18 12:44
People SHUT THE F_CK UP ABOUT THE PSP VS DS WAR!





PSP has greater technical function.

FACT.



DS has greater variable input via touchsreen.

FACT.



DS is outselling PSP worldwide.

UNDENIABLE FACT.





Everything else is opinion, and quite frankly I DON'T GIVE A DAMM IF YOUR PENIS IS SMALL OR YOU THINK THE DS IS FOR 5 YEAR OLDS OR THAT THE PSP SUXXORZ.



Leave that for recess.





Thank you all who have remained rational.

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# ds freakin' ownsGuest 2006-08-18 12:44
Ok i own a ds and psp, and the hombrew scene for the psp is reallyy old after like 30 min. the ds has just better games, and is much more fun. On long plane trips, my ds lasts, while i had to put my psp away bcuz it couldn't handle it. im now selling my psp online. EBAY. CHECK IT OUT NOW. DS OWNS!! ::[-]:: thats a DS!!

#[-] x

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# kiddy machineEvilution 2006-08-18 12:48
give me 1 proper screen than 2 *****got screens anyday.

Nintendo churn out kiddy crap, if you want to impress a little boy with intent to sexually molesting him then get a DS. If you are straight bred hetrosexual then you get a PSP.

Very simple.

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# GO PSPGuest 2006-08-18 12:55
Australia has a population of 20 million.

each of those sales were 1 psp or ds to 1 person (not someone who owns like 5 psps and 2 ds's)

thats

75% of australians own a psp

10% of austalians own a ds



that proves that all ds owners are GC's (gay c**ts)

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# Pathetic...Guest 2006-08-18 13:01
Wow.. I REALLY feel stupid for ever wanting the Sony PS3 or ANY Sony related product. After seeing how the little retarded Sony fanboys are acting on this thing, ***** that *****. I don't want to be apart of anything you dumbasses are. You guys give incorrect things that you call *proof*.



The DS is awesome, the PSP is too. CLEARLY, the DS is better at games, because DS is ment for games. PSP is also for games, but many other features, so it's better in features. It's not our fault Nintendo is dedicated and doesn't want all these other features like Sony.



Uh, does 13.37 = 1337? Nope. You guys are saying Nintendo is for kids? Look at almost everyones grammar and ***** above who is dissing the DS and saying its for kids. YOU guys look like little *****s nothing better to do than to go on this and comment about stupid *****. Also, your Math is directly horrible as *****.



A decimal in 13.37, is different than 1337. That's the lesson for today Sony fantards.





So before any of you Sony fans bash the DS, (I'm not saying DS fans are totally innocent, but here it looks like Sony fans are just little *****in nerds wanting to get sales up, while their discouraging people like me not to ever buy a Sony product), think about how you guys act.



DS is kiddy? No way. Sony PSP is kiddy? Probably, look how the people who BUY the SONY PSP are acting.





Kids..

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# sorry for double posting but.Guest 2006-08-18 13:02
it says in australia that the psp sales are 15 million and overall (worldwide) it says 13.37 million.

is this a typo or does worldwide mean the rest of the world or the total of everyone in the world (including usa, europe, japan, aus. etc)

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# 1st postGuest 2006-08-18 13:03
1st post oh yeah

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# ya srslyGuest 2006-08-18 13:05
Why is it that everyone here who says the DS is for kids, acts like an immature kid themself?

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# YepGuest 2006-08-18 13:09
That's that I just said ^^^^



Sony fantards are the kids.

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# What a load of *****ness.Guest 2006-08-18 13:10
Every single Sony fanboy opinion once again had been uneducated. The DS has statistics of adults over 30 playing it. It must mean being mature for a system to be mature. Don't know if you notice.....the average age group here is 12-15. So most of the time...it's a bunch of wankers watching cheap porn pretending to be mature. I see it all the damn time. Yes I do know there are people who come here are a bit older than that. But just because you feel threaten over a sale number and say ridiculous out of the ass s**t doesn't make you look mature. It makes you look like a total...and I mean TOTAL dumbass. Both systems are awesome. Both have their pros and cons but it can only make the cons better by playing an exclusive you didn't miss out. Whether on DS or PSP. I don't know about you guys out there but I'll get emotionally ill if I miss out on a good exclusive.

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# ...Guest 2006-08-18 13:12
Uh, this sales comparison is very innaccurate. I know that the DS is beating the PSP, but this is pathetic.



The PSP has SOLD more in the US, and Europe than the DS, but this sales comparison says otherwise. NPD says so. So I don't get why whoever did this even bothered.



If your going to make sales comparison, at least get it right!



And yes, I'll trust IGN, who gets their figures from NPD. Both consoles have SHIPPED 20+ million units. Thus, how could the DS have sold more than the amount shipped. This kinda proves this comparison is bull. PSP will sell loads more when games like Killzone, Metal Gear, LocoRoco, GTA, and 50-Cent (yes, it will be in with the crowd)...

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# it shows thares more kids buyinglansingone 2006-08-18 13:13
i think said it before, the market for the PSP is mostly people that wouldin't buy a handheld before, so it will take a few years to grow a new market of the age group buying PSP's. as the DS already has the 5 to 13 age group well covered, and from the years of nintendo running the gameboy family, thay have grown a huge market in that age group. and i think thay should keep with aiming thare cuase we always have kids that want to play games

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# lolGuest 2006-08-18 13:13
We canucks like everything equally. That's why we're a better country, hawhaw

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# ......Guest 2006-08-18 13:25
"Uh, this sales comparison is very innaccurate. I know that the DS is beating the PSP, but this is pathetic.



The PSP has SOLD more in the US, and Europe than the DS, but this sales comparison says otherwise. NPD says so. So I don't get why whoever did this even bothered.



If your going to make sales comparison, at least get it right!



And yes, I'll trust IGN, who gets their figures from NPD. Both consoles have SHIPPED 20+ million units. Thus, how could the DS have sold more than the amount shipped. This kinda proves this comparison is bull. PSP will sell loads more when games like Killzone, Metal Gear, LocoRoco, GTA, and 50-Cent (yes, it will be in with the crowd)..."



But..50 Cent blows..with his game and as an artist. Just because Sony said that the PSP is outselling the DS by 1mil...doesn't make it true. Metal Gear isn't even the most well known franchise except to those who've played it. The average gamer would most likely not recognize Snake. But seeing Sony Fanboys pulling out of their asses. Is just ridiculous.



"i think said it before, the market for the PSP is mostly people that wouldin't buy a handheld before, so it will take a few years to grow a new market of the age group buying PSP's. as the DS already has the 5 to 13 age group well covered, and from the years of nintendo running the gameboy family, thay have grown a huge market in that age group. and i think thay should keep with aiming thare cuase we always have kids that want to play games"



No. This is a good example of out of the ass Sony fanboyism. They see higher sales as a threat. My god that couldn't anymore immature than it already is. Your age group is completely off. Dear god..

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# Two more repliesGuest 2006-08-18 13:30
Uh, I have no idea what the Australian dude is talking about... DS has sold a bit over 200,000 in Australia and PSP has sold a bit under 150,000



Logic, NPD data shows that DS is ahead of the PSP. Search "Monthly US Sales" on the search bar and include the quotations. You'll find the data there. DS has outsold PSP in every part of the world so far so I don't know where you're getting your NPD data from.

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# the reasonGuest 2006-08-18 13:37
the reason is that the ds is selling more is because it's cheap so parrents buy it for their kids then their kids somehow left it in their pants and it went in the dryer... so they beg and beg and beg then their parents buy another... it goes again again and again.... it's a shame all those broken ds's.

and sales don't acully prove wich is better.

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# WOWGuest 2006-08-18 13:49
136 dumb posts on a dumb thread. do you people have shares in sony or nintendo? i don't so who friggin cares what the sales figures are. both systems are doing well and they are both different beasts. i only care about 1 psp...MINE and pretty soon i'll get a ds coz...they are totally different so stop comparing and stfu!

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# well thenGuest 2006-08-18 13:51
How about you define "better" then.

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# bs #'sGuest 2006-08-18 14:14
rushan you need to post where these mystery #'s come from or stfu. every other place that has #'s tells a different story, including gaf a nintendo haven for fux sake have the psp with almost a million lead in na, and those are official npd numbers.

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# ds>pspGuest 2006-08-18 14:19
I have both, but I just love my DS Lite a lot better than my PSP. PSP has too many ports, and few original games. Three of my four games I have for PSP (NBA Live 06, Tekken: Dark Resurrection, X-men legends 2) are ports.



DS Lite on the other hand, is a masterpiece that fell from heaven. Great original games that are good to go(taco bell slogan).

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# proofGuest 2006-08-18 14:20
busted

interview from gamespot today with kaz.



GS: Right. Now you mentioned the PSP hardware. Now obviously there have been rumors about a PSP hardware redesign. Will Sony have any news on that front anytime soon?



KH: No, right now we're comfortable with what we have. I mean, you probably have seen some of the numbers that were included in the Q1 earnings report from Sony Corporation and as far as the platforms go. Between PlayStation, PS2 and PSP, the PSP happens to be the fastest-growing product we've ever launched. I think we cleared 20 million units worldwide within the first what, about 18 months or so. And in the US, we've already cleared 5.2 million.



http://www.gamespot.com/news/6156046.html?tag=latestnews;title;0



if you think there are 7 million psps sitting around in warehouses collecting dust you are stupido supreme.

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# Wow...Guest 2006-08-18 14:27
it's good to have both systems... (kills the fanboy virus... ).

(PS3 + Xbox 360 + Wii = The Best!!!).

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# RE: 141Guest 2006-08-18 14:40
This is fact.



(taken from my original GameFAQs topic on PSP General)

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=984&topic=29975006

From: Typhoid Larry | Posted: 8/16/2006 10:53:57 AM | Message Detail

DS

Japan - 10.3 million

US - 5.8 million

Europe - 6.2 million

Australia - .2 million

Canada - .4 million

Worldwide - 22.9 million (shipments: 23.7 million)



PSP

Japan - 3.9 million

US - 5.1 million

Europe - ~4 million

Australia - .15 million

Canada - .4 million

Worldwide - 13.37 million (shipments: 20 million)



DS+PSP Japan: http://vgcharts.org/japweekly.php?date=38928 (DSL 165,000 last week)

DS+PSP US: http://vgcharts.org/usamonthly.php

DS Europe: http://www.nintendo-europe.com/NOE/en/GB/news/article.do?elementId=xZZe1-VBn8vtPg1xXaOuW1cBrYLfZllB

DS Lite Europe: http://www.nintendo-europe.com/NOE/en/GB/news/article.do?elementId=JvFzofS6ffU8V0PrOkzRJXbrMdkR24AG

DS+PSP Australia: http://www.aussie-nintendo.com/?v=news&p=3594 (as of May)



Last confirmed PSP European number (2.44 million) in December: http://palgn.com.au/article.php?title=DS+and+PSP+sales+in+Europe&id=3897&sid=1afff0d1d2ab837c8133bb4cc64a1b87



Sales have slowed significantly since then - PSP software has gone from >10 games in the top 40 in the UK on average to just 2, for example. 4 million is a reasonable estimate.



Canadian numbers are based on their statistical tie & the Canadian market being a tenth the size of the US market.

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# Riiidge RACER!!!!Guest 2006-08-18 14:44
Yeah, and we'll be able to jack into the Matrix with the PS2.





Right.



That's one Giant Enemy Crab taking Massive Damage, Kaz Hirai.

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# Guest 2006-08-18 14:55
to be honest, the only sales figures that matter are the japanese. the rest, the margins are made up by the cost of the PSP.



6mil vs. 4mil in europe, well the psp is more than 1.5x the price of DS so that's fine..



also yeah there is the matter of the ds lite to consider..



US is pretty much equivalent. 5.1m vs 5.8m.. not much diff.



sony are just losing out in japan...

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# hey, chill outGuest 2006-08-18 15:12
Everyone, chill out. This is just a game console you're talking about. It doesn't matter if the DS is aimed at a younger target market, it also manages to snare plenty of adults who recognise the name of the Nintendo franchise, or who like Japanese style games. It doesn't matter that the PSP only has about 20 good games out, it's a solid console for everything the DS can't do, expecially homebrew. And if you're going to say that the DS can use homebrew from flash carts, enjoy your $300+ DS plus flash cart.



Everyone, stop arguing. Whether the DS or PSP is better is just a matter of opinion. Can't we all live in peace?

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# ...for real...look it up.Guest 2006-08-18 15:20
edit:



DS = Dumb-ass System



PSP = THE BEST IN THE WORLD.

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# VERDICT?Guest 2006-08-18 15:24
By the look of things here, the PSP is obviously the favourite system and the OVERALL WINNER.



Mods, you can now close this thread.

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# nopeGuest 2006-08-18 15:59
#143.



so thats fact? those numbers are all from vgcharts which rushan implicitly says are wrong in post #39.



post #39

VGCharts is wrong in this case

Rushan S. (QJ. NET Staff)



rushan make up your mind dumbazz. you post numbers and say they real, then turn around and say they bs.



oh, and rushan, your post in #81 is pure bs.



You're misinterpreting the numbers. DS numbers reported by Nintendo are SOLD, as in SOLD to consumers. PSP numbers reported by Sony are SHIPPED, as in SHIPPED to retailers/warehouses. PSP has sold 13mil/20mil shipped. DS has sold 21mil/XXmil shipped.



nintendo numbers are NOT sold to consumers. they are sold to retailers. nintendo has been using the sold moniker for ages trying to make people think they are to consumers when they are not. look at nintendo financial reports and you will see the discrepency between ninty sold bs #'s and npd numbers. again if you think there are 7 million psps sitting around you are stupido supremo.

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# why marioGuest 2006-08-18 16:12
how come marioo doesn't say much even koopa, princess, lugi, toad, wario. hippe im mario or its me mario lame phrase that is too short. put more dialogue into ds games. i don't even know how zelda talks. can't talk a little more. in psp i get pics, videos, games, music, and everthing else. plus nintendo takes alot profanity and nudity away even people who are older. cartidge are boring also. psp is still going to be first not ds to have psp tv at home. nds is for tikes who can't grow up. grahics are lame on ds i mean 3d. wii is not strong enough to big. oh yeah i hate nintendo music irrating. wii looks like a hard drive that too small. trust a lot of people have bought expensive ipods for $200 for a 2gb i rather have a psp. tu8ck mario all the up all ready. sonic is way cooler, metal gear, devil may cry, final fantasy. no blood in nintendo or nude

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how come marioo doesn't say much even koopa, princess, lugi, toad, wario. hippe im mario or its me mario lame phrase that is too short. put more dialogue into ds games. i don't even know how zelda talks. can't talk a little more. in psp i get pics, videos, games, music, and everthing else. plus nintendo takes alot profanity and nudity away even people who are older. cartidge are boring also. psp is still going to be first not ds to have psp tv at home. nds is for tikes who can't grow up. grahics are lame on ds i mean 3d. wii is not strong enough to big. oh yeah i hate nintendo music irrating. wii looks like a hard drive that too small. trust a lot of people have bought expensive ipods for $200 for a 2gb i rather have a psp. tu8ck mario all the up all ready. sonic is way cooler, metal gear, devil may cry, final fantasy. no blood in nintendo or nude

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how come marioo doesn't say much even koopa, princess, lugi, toad, wario. hippe im mario or its me mario lame phrase that is too short. put more dialogue into ds games. i don't even know how zelda talks. can't talk a little more. in psp i get pics, videos, games, music, and everthing else. plus nintendo takes alot profanity and nudity away even people who are older. cartidge are boring also. psp is still going to be first not ds to have psp tv at home. nds is for tikes who can't grow up. grahics are lame on ds i mean 3d. wii is not strong enough to big. oh yeah i hate nintendo music irrating. wii looks like a hard drive that too small. trust a lot of people have bought expensive ipods for $200 for a 2gb i rather have a psp. tu8ck mario all the up all ready. sonic is way cooler, metal gear, devil may cry, final fantasy. no blood in nintendo or nude

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how come marioo doesn't say much even koopa, princess, lugi, toad, wario. hippe im mario or its me mario lame phrase that is too short. put more dialogue into ds games. i don't even know how zelda talks. can't talk a little more. in psp i get pics, videos, games, music, and everthing else. plus nintendo takes alot profanity and nudity away even people who are older. cartidge are boring also. psp is still going to be first not ds to have psp tv at home. nds is for tikes who can't grow up. grahics are lame on ds i mean 3d. wii is not strong enough to big. oh yeah i hate nintendo music irrating. wii looks like a hard drive that too small. trust a lot of people have bought expensive ipods for $200 for a 2gb i rather have a psp. tu8ck mario all the up all ready. sonic is way cooler, metal gear, devil may cry, final fantasy. no blood in nintendo or nude

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how come marioo doesn't say much even koopa, princess, lugi, toad, wario. hippe im mario or its me mario lame phrase that is too short. put more dialogue into ds games. i don't even know how zelda talks. can't talk a little more. in psp i get pics, videos, games, music, and everthing else. plus nintend

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# hoohooGuest 2006-08-18 16:14
My numbers? They are from NPD (USA) and Media-Create (Japan). You might want to go back to GAF and ask them who's ahead in the USA. Or just check last month's NPD topic. They have a chart that shows the results. The DS is ahead of the PSP. Since the DS' launch, the GBA has sold as much as the PSP has in the USA.



Your second post is irrelevant as I've already stated before that PSP has shipped 20 million units worldwide. We're talking about sales here, not shipments.



I only referenced to VGCharts.org once. Not twice. Not everyone who disagrees with you is me. Anyway, the one I called false was because it was used improperly. The chart linked to before was on SHIPMENTS. It's also out of date seeing as PSP and DS have both shipped more than that.



No. You're mistaking Nintendo for Sony. Sony exchanges sold for shipped all the time. That's where your confusion arose earlier. Nintendo usually states when they're using shipped and sold. Why? Because when we compare Sony's PSP "sales" to numbers by official sales tracking companies (NPD and Media-Create for example), they do not add up. However, when we compare Nintendo's sales to official sales tracking companies, they DO add up.



If you can't understand that people ordered too many PSPs thinking the demand was going to be higher, then you've gone nuts. Nintendo had to freeze GCN production for a bit because of the same situation a few years ago.

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# #146Guest 2006-08-18 17:37
"Everyone, stop arguing. Whether the DS or PSP is better is just a matter of opinion. Can't we all live in peace?"



Excelent Words!!



(but the FanBoy Virus kills all reason.. they don't listen... never do... ).

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# Knock it off, all of you.Guest 2006-08-18 17:46
Seriously, what the hell?

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# Guys, the DS is better than the PSPGuest 2006-08-18 17:54
And I own a Playstation, Playstation 2 and PSP. The only reason the PSP is good for is for emulation.



How the hell can anyone think that a stock PSP is actually better than the DS? Load times, battery life and most importantly games available. There hasn't really been an epic PSP game that has defined the PSP and made it stand out yet. Now look at all the games available for the DS.



And what's with the DS is for kids? People play games to have fun. What, you don't want to have fun? Do you want realistic graphics and gameplay and multimedia? How about gtfo of the house and live REAL LIFE (because well, that's as real as it can get) and leave the games for people who ACTUALLY enjoy them.



No wonder the DS is slaughtering the PSP.

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# 22.9 MILLION!Guest 2006-08-18 19:22
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God! And you guys complain about Nintendo fanboys! Sony fans are so immature, and they're blind too! The DS is selling better, so just HOW DOES THAT PROVE THAT THE PSP IS BETTER?!? You guys are so stupid, and posting your wimpy 1337 doesn't prove *****! Try reading next time. This is why I hate Sony! You bastards won't STFU for one minute to think logically! Yes, the DS has bad games too, but GTA got old at Vice City and do you see a Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest title for the PSP? NO! STFU, you Pathetically Stupid Pussies! And we can afford PSPs just like the next guy. I have my own, but most of us just don't buy the system because it has NOTHING to offer except for a failing disc format and *****ty ports of games that we can play on a larger screen!



I agree that the touch screen kind of sucks, but anyone I know would rather play Metroid Prime Hunters with a touch screen than some crappy PSP FPS that requires you to manuver with a plastic nipple-thingy or the least comfortable D-Pad ever created!



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# PSP OUTPERFORMS DS NOMATTER WHAT THE SALESCHART SAYanonymous stranger 2006-08-18 19:50
heres the first reason that proves DS sells better





77. » GOD I'M SICK OF THESE



Is everyone one here blind??? The DS is a new system compared to the PSP, THEREFORE unless it is a complete POS it will outsell the PSP. BUSINESS 101. That's doesn't mean the PSP is "losing", why don't you make some goddamn charts of TOTAL SALES OVERALL and see how many of each are out there.



by Jesus H (Unregistered), at Aug 18, 2006 at 02:34PM





heres the second one:





33. » tards



sales doesnt mean its better, it means it sold more. DS sales are better simply for one reason. Because its cheaper. But keep in mind you get what you pay for. You can either have a mini PC, or a 2 screened N64. You can either get a 30 dollar mp3 player from walmart, or get a iPod from bestbuy. it al depends on how much money youre willing to spend. Be cheap and get cheap sh*t, which is what DS is.



by heh (Unregistered), at Aug 18, 2006 at 11:57AM





DS is cheap ass stuff with low capability nomatter how much it sells, it still dosen't prove DS have better performance, psp can even emulate mac 8.0 at a good speed, can you DS do that? at VERY low speed probably, it just proves DS is CHEAP and LOW IN PERFORMANCE, and it proves it's fans are cheap, also, I've seen SO many dumbass DS fanboys/fangirls running around blabbing about how "good" ds is.... those dumb kids have 2 GBC, 2 GBA a GBASP and a DS and a DS lite, Nintendo sure know how to rip kids off nowdays... I guess PSP owneres(wiser adults) won't be out buying so many psp just cuz they love them so much, also because it cost way more...

Oh well, I'll leave you Nintendo die hard fans buying EVERY unnecessary handheld and bankrupt... why did DS suck? because nintendo wanted people to buy it then offer everyone DS Lite, and make a quick buck... Why the hell do you need all that crappy equipment for GBA? cuz nintendo wanted to rip you all off, it could been built in! also whats the purpous of GBA SP??? smaller and better? hahaha losers..



I swear... dumb kids and their desier to own a DS...



also heres another reason DS outsells PSP:





17. » because is cheaper...



DUH!! This article is DUMB!. OF COURSE! the DS will sell better than the gorgeus PSP. Because is way cheaper than the PSP and people like cheap because they are poor bastards. And because the handheld basicly dedicated for kids. There are a lot of kids out there and parent would buy the toy for them



Thats my two cents. If you dont agree you can go to hell.



by PSPDUDE (Unregistered), at Aug 18, 2006 at 11:32AM





Also.... Both system have SUCKY games.. well in my opinion PSP games are better... the metroid for DS SUCKED BALLS.... come on.. what kind of game is it? yeah ofcourse the graphic sucks... but the gameplay isn't much at all either... in the other hand, PSP has got a lotta potential that SONY and its dumb 3rd party friends aren't exploring... only Rockstar did their homework...



Nomater what, PSP outperform DS in every way possible, damn 3rd party lazy greedy losers....



Cheap DS and its Cheap fans...

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# oh waitanonymous stranger 2006-08-18 20:08
heres you and your DS and your Metroid Prime:



Oh OH *click click* omg I shot him! with a touch screen! oh oh wait! another enemy that looks exactly the same! *click click* omg I missed! darn! its so small on this small touch screen I can't hit it!!!! oh oh wait *click click* I got him!



20 min later:

Darn! I'm bored! I'm tired of clicking at a screen so I hit enemy that looks the same and run through linear levels that have no extra features, lets play Nintendogs! .... omg it crapped.... aww lemme take care of that...



10 min later:

Skew u dog.. ur annoying, stop barking, I can't even pet u



10 min later:

oooo I can run Mac on my DS!

OMG is too slow.... I wish I had a PSP



heres me playing my PSP and GTA:

OMG I SHOT HIM WITH MY MP5!



10 min later:

awwww... tony's mom threw him out and sent assasins after him! so sad! O well I'm gonna blow all ur heads off!! muahahaha!



10 min later:

oh im on QJ, wow look edisoncarter cheat device!



10 min later:

OMFG I AM IN AN AIR BASE!!!!!! HOLY CRAP NO COP CAN GET ME HERE



another 10 min:

OMG my dude's invisible! and hes creating a giant ball of cars and killing people with it! holy crap!



even more 10 mins....:

ooooooo "car's deathtrap" lets try it, hahahaha they are all stuck!



yeah... another 10 min later...:

U cops can't catch me if I fly with my car! hahahahaha



10 min later:

ooo another mission!



20 min later:

*turns off GTA*

OMFG this game rocks.... big city, so many cool mission, nice cheat device.. ahhhh

*runs PSPR anime edition*

OOOOOO im getting better at this



10 min later:

*using bookr to read "harry potter" while listning to my favorite song using IR shell while in car*



yet another 10 min:

*using AFKIM to instant message friends while at a mall using wifi, then uses the notepad to jog down that sweet game's title*



end of the day: damn... psp is so useful.... ds sucks





lol.....

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# let's see:Guest 2006-08-18 21:33
PSP:



Megaman Maverick Hunter X



Dragon Ball Z Shin Budokai



DarkStalkers: The Chaos Tower



Street Fighter Alpha 3 Max



Daxter



Tekken: Dark Resurrection



& now...



DS:



Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow



Lost in Blue



New Super Mario Bros



Super Princess Peach



The Rub Rabbits!



Trace Memory



Yoshi Touch & Go



hhhmmm... I like two systems... have games on both... weird... that has a game.. oh yes.. A GAMER.



Gaming... it's more than just a hobby -- it's a lifestyle

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# Fanboys....Guest 2006-08-19 01:19
Nintendogs is awesome. Metroid is awesome...and highly doubt people would be like that when using the touch screen for aiming(which I have no problem with). Aiming for Metroid with me is really easy. I can jump to the side and shoot and I'd still hit the mark it's not hard at all.

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# LOL.Guest 2006-08-19 03:51
hahahah #157 lol OOH let me kill some enemy that looks exactly the same as the other one! LMAO. and nintendogs. really. sucks. why cant you people buy a real puppy instead lol. oh yeah. bcuz if a real dog dies you cant restart the game to bring it back to life. lol

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# btwGuest 2006-08-19 03:54
and as for the kids helping the DS sales. it is entirely true. my neighbor got a DS for christmas and it is sitting on a shelf collecting dust XD. oh the gullibility of kids.

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# sales wiseGuest 2006-08-19 04:01
in the case of DS, it wins in sales. whoopee. just because someone buys it doesnt necessarily mean they will use it. (see previous comment) the PSP (which i own) is very handy; i use it for everything. need music? PSP. video? PSP. porno? (lol by that i mean photos) PSP. want a puppy? go to the pet store and get one you idiots. lol want very annoying barking, slobbering mutt which you cant even pet? DS.

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# #154.Guest 2006-08-19 04:11
in terms of games, yes the PSP doesnt have many enjoyable titles, but the DS had an early start. the upcoming games for PSP have really caught my attention (mainly TEKKEN:Dark Resurrection as i hear it kicks so much ass) like Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops, GTA Vice City Stories, Monster Hunter Freedom2 (and let me note that the first one rox), FF7: CRISIS CORE, etc. these are sure to give the PSP a rise in sales. i cant wait to see the psp2 btw. lets see it compete with DS Lite (which ALSO has a headstart).

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# ps.Guest 2006-08-19 04:15
lol @ my other post; i meant Monster Hunter PORTABLE2. and not to be random, loco roco has to be the worst game i have ever played.

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# It's Funny...Guest 2006-08-19 06:46
I never understood how this happens everytime. Everytime I come on this site and the DS always outsells the PSP, I've never seen anyone with a DS, not even small children. I've only seen the DS in stores, never in anyone's hands, but it still does better, How is that?

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# RE: 149Guest 2006-08-19 07:13
"so thats fact? those numbers are all from vgcharts which rushan implicitly says are wrong in post #39."



The numbers in VGCharts are Media Create and NPD data increased by less than 5% to make up for either of them suddenly tracking too high or too low years earlier (like Media Create tracking low in 2001 and too high a year later, resulting in higher reported GameCube sales than actual shipments). The differences between the two systems are well outside this 5% margin of error.



"nintendo numbers are NOT sold to consumers. they are sold to retailers."



Nintendo numbers are shipped to consumers (24 million). Media Create, NPD, and the various European trackers that they use to report SOLD data are sold to consumers (23 million). I have been following sales since before the PSP was even launched here, I know more about this than you.



"nintendo has been using the sold moniker for ages trying to make people think they are to consumers when they are not. look at nintendo financial reports and you will see the discrepency between ninty sold bs #'s and npd numbers."



Yeah, Nintendo of Japan financial reports (which report, you know, retail shipments) are the same as the European division's reports of SELL THROUGH numbers (which report, you know, data from European sales trackers). You're doing a great job of making yourself look like you have no idea what you're talking about.



"again if you think there are 7 million psps sitting around you are stupido supremo."



Except, you know, there ARE 7 million PSPs sitting around in retailers. There's about 400,000 retailers that sell 'em in Europe, America and Japan combined..and 18 PSPs isn't too far off from a usual shipment to a single store.



(in before yet another denial of factual numbers using sketchy sources and not the actual sales tracker data)

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# SUCK IT #157Guest 2006-08-19 12:30
#157 is a fREAKING idiot, metriod owns. the wifi owns. GTA is beaten within hours, and then u just shoot people, who actaully DO LOOK THE SAME, U THEN just go on a rampage that ends in 2 seconds. Then u probably turn the system off, turn it on again, and BOOP! battery life is dead. O and u guys need MEMORY SITCKS!! money for save space! OUT STANDING! freakin idiot...DS OWNS

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# Suck it #167Guest 2006-08-19 17:05
Nintendo DS and Gamecube both suck. Wii will suck even more. And Zelda Piece of Crap of Princess is also going to suck. Nintendo is and will always be for little retarded gay kids.

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# Wow..Guest 2006-08-19 19:43
Wow.. that's all i got to say about #168..



Pathetic.. Sony.. Fan.. Kids..

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# =)Guest 2006-08-19 20:16
I like how we answered, like, ALL the questions regarding this argument over DS and PSP. Yet people keep posting the same sh!!t over and over again.





Originally posted by Jessman:

This is why I hate Sony! You bastards won't STFU for one minute to think logically!



Haha thank you.

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# wow...longest thread ever!!!clouducla 2006-08-20 13:17
to put my 2 cents in...im a fan of sports, shooters, rpg's, and FIGHTERS as well as all the homebrew(nes,sn es,gen,neogeo etc etc)...so i like the psp...if u like....ummmmm....touch screens...i can see why people want a ds...

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# To 169Guest 2006-08-20 16:31
No I am not a kid because if I were a little kid it would be the opposite I would love nintendo. I am 20 years old. I'll admit I used to like Nintendo until they released the disaster called Nintendo Gamecube. I own a DS and a PSP so I know what I am talking about. My PSP gets turned on every day. While my DS has been gathering dust for two months now. It's not that I hate Nintendo is just that there aren't any games on Gamecube or DS that interest me(except for Castlevania). So I assume that it will be the same for the Wii.

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# lolGuest 2006-08-25 17:11
SONY FANBOYS IN DENILE, always making up excuses.



Can you guys shut the ***** up, no one cares for Christmas, birthdays, price, teh DS is pwning the PSP. SHUT THE ***** UP NOW. GO CRY YOUR SORRY ASSES AWAY and STFU.



No more excuses thx. Glad i sold my psp, which = Piece of ***** Portable.



Sorry DS is winning, go cry to ur mommies now. U guys care so much about sale rates that u guys have to make up pathetic excuses and *****, it's *****ing sad. shut the ***** up thanks.

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# DS PWNS IT'S ASS, ONCE AGAIN!Guest 2006-08-25 22:02
It's not about the price people. It's about the level of fun you get out of it. Nintendo make it more fun, why Sony is all graphics

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# BAKA TO EVERYONE WHO HATES!!Guest 2006-08-26 09:23
Okay first of all get your simple stupid minds out the box and see the potential of Nintendo! It's not a kiddy system and a drop dead company either. You people just degust me about your theory on how the whole company is kiddy. First off, name the kiddy games, don't the other systems have kiddy titles too, YEA! oh course. So stop hating on Nintendo, Also! you know you people at home play nintendo stuff such as mario, zelda etc.. Nintendo always seems to beat out their competitors at the end, aint that true? SHANNARO!!! bastards

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# Oh and.......Guest 2006-08-26 09:36
This is a FACT!! you morons of the world who hates on Nintendo:



-Nintendo relies on ideas

-Sony and Microsoft relies on Graphics

-Nintendo relies on what people want

-Sony & Microsoft relies on trying to win

-Nintendo wants to make people feel the experience of the game

-Sony PS3 stole the idea of the Wii freestyle capability

-Microsoft wants to be on the top

-Nintendo thought or a new invention of a controller, that has over 10,000 diffents ideas you can do with it.

-Sony only took their original dual shock 2 controller and cut the wires out and put in the Wii's Feature that they stole.

-Microsoft same ol' plain controller

-2006 Wii is smaller and only need less technology and still remains competetive

-2006 PS3 is GIANT! which needs more and More Technology involving their so called Graphics.

-2005 Xbox 360 Decreased their Size of Technology needed.



RESULTS:

NINTENDO in first place

MICROSOFT in second place

SONY in 3rd Place

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# Nintendo sucksGuest 2006-08-27 07:36
Recently, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata had an interview with BBC News Online. You can see the article here

. His ridiculous stupidity is the cause for this editorial. In the words of Popeye, the sailor man, "that’s all I can stands, I can’t stands no more."



For starters, who does the president of Nintendo think he is to make comments regarding the current market or what is going to happen to it? This isn’t one of the leading companies in the console market. This is one of the distant, distant companies in the current console war, with absolutely no hope of catching up. This is the company who used to own the #1 spot with an iron fist, strike fear into other companies. Let’s be honest here, Nintendo is a shadow of its former self. For their president to comment on the industry like he is Miss Cleo, is like Vince McMahon commenting on what it takes to be successful in the professional football business. It’s like getting marriage advice from Tom Arnold. You are to take everything with a grain of salt. But wow, these comments are just beyond inane. Former president Yamauchi Hiroshi said some stupid things in his time but Iwata’s comments just take the cake and prove Nintendo is just too far behind the times. Let us discuss some of Iwatas stupidity.



He said unless things changed people "would get tired of games".



Yea, because we all know Nintendo is about complete change. I mean, one look at the "newest" Pokemon or Mario Party 542 can tell you that. Apparently it is ok for Nintendo to re-use the same franchises for 20 years but everyone else must innovate or die. Gaming has grown through each generation. Was there a significant difference in gaming besides graphics in the 8 to 16 bit leap? 16 to 32? 32 to 64? 64 to present? No. Oh wait... YES, there was. Sony used a CD medium in the PSone and Nintendo refused to adapt. The PSone could also be used to play CD’s, the Nintendo 64 could only play games. PSone games were $40-50 new, Nintendo 64 games were $60-70 new. Sony won. In the leap from 64 to the present, online gaming has become a big part of the industry. Which two companies utilize this feature? Sony and Microsoft. Which two companies are currently leading the US market? I’ll give you a hint: one of them isn’t Nintendo. Just like they did with the cartidge format, Nintendo dropped the ball with the GCN. Only this time they made two crucial errors. The first was neglecting online play completely. Oh no my bad, they didn’t neglect it completely. I mean, after all, they did make broadband and 56k modems for the GCN. Too bad they’ve yet to include a use for them in a single one of their games. The other area where Nintendo failed was multimedia. While Sony and Microsoft were expanding to components of the home console including the DVD players and hard drives and what not, Nintendo opted for simplicity. Great move!



"Some of the people in the industry still believe we can simply beef up the current technology in order to provide a constant supply of games to people. We don’t agree with that."



Apparently he hasn’t been involved in gaming since... oh... the *****ing day it was created. What is even funnier about this is that he goes on to hype up the DS based on what? Two technical features, touch screen and voice recognition. Neither of which are really innovative anyway. Hell, Seaman on the Dreamcast revolved around voice recognition. But this is Nintendo we are talking about. Wind Waker had innovative graphics, even though it was only the hundreth game of this generation to use cel-shaded graphics. Animal Crossing was innovative, because apparently no one had ever seen or played Harvest Moon before. Metroid Prime was the worlds first FPA, because apparently games like Half-Life and Deus-Ex do not exist. The point? When Nintendo does something, they sell it as new and innovative and they have enough of a blind army that it is eaten up and believed. What else could explain the fact that Nintendo fanboys constantly ***** about PS2 having too many sequels, and then they go back to playing Mario, Metr

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# Nintendo SucksGuest 2006-08-27 07:42
and Zelda, three franchises I played back in the 1980’s?



"Nintendo wants to bring gamers and games back to the start line of 20 years ago," he said.



"In order to do this, touch panel and voice input systems will have big possibilities."



How could anyone possibly think touch panels and voice recognition are going to wow gamers? It isn’t new. PS2 owners use voice recognition in many games, and so do XBox owners. Touch screen elements? Been on PC’s, laptops and other things for awhile now. This is no different than Nintendos fad with connectivity. Just something else they are going too far on a limb with. Does dual screens, touch panels and voice recognition sound cool on a handheld? Yes. But how is that high-tech crap any different than the movies/music and all the other features of the PSP that Nintendo always plays down? One might affect gameplay while the others don’t but Nintendo still fails to grasp the fact that the industry has moved on since the SNES days. That’s why the XBox and PS2 launched able to play CD’s and DVD’s and on the XBox, a HDD and the ability to burn music to use in games. And here is the big one.



Mr Iwata said he feared current games with their emphasis on complexity, realism and sophisticated control systems were alienating many potential gamers.



Right. This, ladies and gentleman, is why Nintendo is doomed to continue to slip further and further down the totem pole they created, and will eventually go the way of Sega. Forget that the gamers average age is now somewhere around 22 or 23. Forget the fact that since Nintendo lost their #1 position, the industry has strived and expanded to boundaries people could only dream about in the Nintendo-dominated 80’s. Forget the fact that so far the top 5 selling games on the 3 home consoles are all complex, realistic games with sophisticated control schemes.



Lets recap. Nintendo ran things their way until the early 90’s, and then the industry changed. Business boomed, millions and millions of gamers who would otherwise never of been seen playing games are now all over them. Hell, celebrities are at parties gaming on PS2’s and XBox consoles. The industry has grown immensely under someone elses watch, and now this jackass chimes in saying that the very types of games that have made this excellent change take place, are alienating many gamers from playing games? Brilliant. So, then, Einstein, how would that explain Nintendos slip from #1? Everyone knows Nintendo thrives on simple, challenge-free games that anyone can pick up and play. I would think that goes squarely against complexity, realism and sophisticated controls. Oh wait, that is right, this is Nintendo we are talking about. They are above all logic.



The main point is, Nintendo continues to come up with stupid move after stupid move, backed up by retard reasoning and more retard reasoning. Meanwhile Sony’s userbase has suprisingly improved over PSone’s, and Microsoft is starting to gain momentum. If not many gamers give a rats ass about Nintendos games right now, what makes this jackass think they will start to sell games if they "take gaming back to the starting line"? As *****y as Nintendo is, they are likely forgetting that the "starting line" of gaming wasn’t even the NES. Anyone want to go back to an era of gaming that resembles the Atari era? No *****ing way. I like my games fine the way they are now, regardless of what tripe Nintendo tries to come up with, telling me what I want and how I want it. Obviously I am not in the minority either, because gaming is still just getting more and more popular, while Nintendo continues on that downward spiral. Maybe they are just bitter. Whatever their problem is, I am now convinced to the fullest that they have no idea what the solution is. The GBA I purchased last year is likely the last Nintendo console I will ever own, and I am suprisingly not saddened

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# To SHANNARO!!!Guest 2006-08-27 12:30
Get a life. Nintendo sucks and you know it.

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# To SHANNARO!!!Guest 2006-08-27 12:32
If Nintendo is so great why is the Gamecube third place in sales.

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# OMGGuest 2006-08-27 19:00
DS IS THE POWNAGE!!! IT IS OWNZORS



PSP IS THE POWNAGE!!! IT IS 1337ZORS



now that thats done. I think all that this "DS site orented" poll was trying to prove was that



ds sales are higher then expected. this probably means that people enjoy the new and uniqe controls that the ds offers.



psp sales are high, but not as high as nintendos



therfore people probably enjoy the innovativness and gameplay the DS offers. in spite of the Amasingly beautiful graphics the psp has.



I like both systems, and i think that the DS is refreashing and i like the gameplay oreanted style they have chosen



But, i think if PSP gets there act together this could be a very very close run at the end



Both are great systems, PSP gets my vote for hardware, and DS gets my vote for software



Chow!

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# yGuest 2006-08-29 16:27
first of all nintendo has an open mind on games, new stuff all the time. and i know everyone can agree with me when i say any mario game including sports is fun to play. and the people that are putting nintendo down because they love there 1.5fw psp's are retarded. how many of you have a gba, gbc, n64, nes, and snes emulator on your psp? 99% of you do, and don't say otherwise because thats all the homebrew seen is good for psp. so stop putting nintendo down or don't play nintendo products!

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# Guest 2006-08-29 16:40
You know Wii will kick Playstation 3's A$$. and to 177 and 178 you spend to much time haten and not enough playin. if it wasn't for the great sucess of nintendo we might not have anything but our computer!

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# To WiiGuest 2006-08-29 17:56
If you had read the article you would have realized that 178 is the continuation of 177. Also I did not write that here is the link http://www.gamersmark.com/articles/139/

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# DominationGuest 2006-09-06 16:03
The DS is totally dominating the PSP in the face. Almost 2:1.

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# Wheehehehe...Guest 2006-10-03 20:24
At the very end, the DS sold more... ok, that aside... what might have brought that around?

Not sure, the two probably at parity when it comes to price per capability thing. Games? Maybe, but both sides has been rehashing old favorites for awhile now.



At the end, it might be basic, basic issues like battery life, load times, and gameplay. More often than not, I hear of PSP's battery life going up in smoke quickly and the load times compete with PS1 and PS2 on the regular basis. That will frustrate people. We gamers are simple folks and when we're out on our methods of transportations , we want our games to pop out quickly and play quickly... and play the entire length of our trip. Something that the PSP seems to do a bad job at. The cartridge for the console may be a bad thing... but the DS is showing that a cartridge-like thing for handhelds isn't entirely a bad idea. The PSP is still a newcomer to the market, as long as they don't get too discouraged... they may become a mainstay in the handheld market. (Although, to a Sony exec, those Japan sales numbers has gotta be a bit disconcerting.)



Anyhoo, that's my two cents

darter9000@gmai l.com

(just a wandering commentator on the world of gaming)

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# ok 13.37 more than 22.9 are u stupid?Guest 2006-10-06 04:50
ok First of all you guys that keep saying that psp is better because of sales are just stupid like Alray. Lets get back to basic math first of all 13 is less than 22 iam sorry if you can prove that 13.37 copies is more than 22.9 than i will consider you a god. First of all ***** the power and graphics because its the games that make the better system and because of that the Nintendo ds is a better system. and its sad how people still play nes and snes and of corse the n64 and ps1 because lets face it some of the best games and of corse the only good games always have the best gameplay and never the good graphics. And with the ps3 having a shortage in shipments and being 600 dollars just for power and there best games all being 3rd party that will not come out on launch I really think this is the end of sony.

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# Wait a second.Guest 2006-10-09 17:25
You know, the last time I checked 22 million is a larger number than 13 million. And has anyone ever played New super mario bros.? It's one of the best games ever. It's not a kids system- Think about trauma center, metroid, etc. As for the gritty ported games on the PSP, I can't understand what the heck is going on because it's like someone filled the screen with dirt!

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# ds vs pspGuest 2006-10-11 13:10
ds is *****ing dumb

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# Damn, the DS is on fire.Guest 2006-10-13 10:33
The Sony fanboys got pwnt this time around...



23 million DS units as of the end of July



The DS has sold another 800,000 in US since then, another 800,000 in EU since then, and about 1.5 million in Japan since then.



So the DS is at a total of about 26 million right now.



PSP at 13 million at the end of July. It has sold about 200,000 in Japan since then. About 300,000 in US since then (GBA actually sells more lolz), and I'm going to guess about 100,000 in EU since then. I don't know about the EU numbers, but I know that the DS sells 100k per week, making up 70% of the market. Plus there's GBA which sells on par with PSP, giving PSP about 15% in EU. It's crap, folks.



So the PSP is at about 13.8 million now. Enjoy.



I think it's important to note the horrible software sales of the PSP in America. They are really struggling.



From pcvsconsole.com:



Top 15 DS



NDS POKEMON MYSTERY DUNGEON: BLUE RESCUE TEA - 285,311

NDS STAR FOX COMMAND - 137,620

NDS NEW SUPER MARIO BROS - 134,954

NDS MARIO HOOPS 3 ON 3 - 89,072

(NDS NINTENDOGS combined - ~87,000)

NDS LEGO STAR WARS II: THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY - 58,540

NDS BIG BRAIN ACADEMY - 57,383

NDS BRAIN AGE: TRAIN YOUR BRAIN IN MINUTES A - 56,012

NDS MARIO KART - 51,133

NDS HARVEST MOON - 47,312

NDS MEGA MAN ZX - 38,701

NDS ANIMAL CROSSING: WILD WORLD - 37,801

NDS NINTENDOGS: DACHSHUND & FRIENDS - 33,601

NDS MARIO VS DONKEY KONG 2: MARCH OF THE MIN - 31,928

NDS NINTENDOGS: LABRADOR & FRIENDS - 27,434

NDS SUPER MARIO 64 DS - 26,737



Top 15 PSP



PSP MADDEN NFL 07 - 81,888

PSP LEGO STAR WARS II: THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY - 46,665

PSP MIDNIGHT CLUB 3: DUB - 32,400

PSP STAR WARS: BATTLEFRONT II - 31,328

PSP TEKKEN: DARK RESURRECTION - 24,649

PSP LOCOROCO - 23,566

PSP GRAND THEFT AUTO: LIBERTY CITY STORIES - 22,439

PSP NCAA FOOTBALL 07 - 18,325

PSP ULTIMATE GHOSTS 'N GOBLINS - 17,069

PSP DEF JAM FIGHT FOR NY: THE TAKEOVER - 15,597

PSP THE GODFATHER: MOB WARS - 15,134

PSP VALKYRIE PROFILE: LENNETH - 14,644

PSP NASCAR 07 - 14,260

PSP 50 CENT: BULLETPROOF - 13,836

PSP NBA LIVE 07 - 13,078



The PSP can't break the 100k mark with a single game in the length of a month. That's really sad.



So now that I've pretty much proved the sucktasticism of the PSP, I really don't think you fanboys can say anything good about the system besides *****got posts like "psp is l33t gyus" or ***** like that. Seriously, grow up... :|

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