He didnt kill the kid over a missing video game, he killed him because he was drunk.

Dr_Olaf u sound like a real idiot.

As usual. This is another chance for them to ban video games. >_>

Lets not Blame alcohol, but video games. That's like them trying to blame Cigarettes for deaths. I've never heard of people getting into a "Cigarette car accident", or shot because they were "drunk" from a cigarette.

(I dont support smoking or drinking. I just had to state that)



Anywho back to the point. We gotta stop them deadly video games, because thats corrupting people, not the fact that they are drunk, or mentally unstable, but video games did it.

Of course, anything you breathe in goes into your lungs, into the alveoli sacks where it's brought into your blood and is sent directly into the heart, where it is pumped into the cells of the body. So not only does smoking affect the lungs desire for oxygen, but it causes disease of the heart (the only muscle of the body that cannot regenerate it's tissue once damaged). I didn't add that because I didn't know how much I was allowed to type and get it all submitted. I'll leave it at that though...

I mean, Olaf's comment wasn't subtle; it was kind of just... obvious, I really can't think of a better word. Satire for the win. Reducing the drinking age to 12? That alone should have pointed it out... and I'm ranting about diction and language now; I think I'll quit while I'm behind.

"The addiction is scientifically proven to be worse than opiates (heroin)."



lol, I mean I've heard that too, but what a load of crap!

Its just an excuse to make people feel better about being weak willed.



Giving up smoking is easy enough, if you want to stop. j

Just be ready to have a week of long bad days peaking around the middle.

FLAME ON!!

This guy was pretty close to me apparently and from what I know a lot of people are "Die Hard" fans of Halo over here, so I bet it was Halo.



The guy had been stopped for a DWI before too. Some people need to take a hint.

and youre insane. its the alcohol that did it obviously.



drunk + gun + argument + (whatever caused the argument + someone dead



sober + gun +argument + what caused the argument + shot in the air



sober + no weapons + argument + what caused the argument + black eye



video games didnt cause this, the alcohol did.

The game was probably something like Loco Roco or Katamari because we all know how violent those games are...

maybe that was the reason why they "didnt" find out what the game was, so they can blame on games in general and hide the fact the father killed over Loco Roco (great game btw)

...but enough of that. i totally agree with AcesInThePalm, not on banning alcohol but on legalizing cannabis. i use it for medical purposes but i'd have to say that alcohol causes a lot of dumb actions from people who don't know their limits on drinking. maryjane on the other hand would've just calmed him down instead of aggravating him and if he over smoked, like he probably over drank, he would've probably just ended up going to sleep.



Don't blame games, blame weak minded people.

That's totally not uncommon at all. I really wanna know what game it was.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!



Alcohol did not cause this. A 40 year old caused this. A 40 year old man picked up a gun and used it to murder his kid. The "MAN" deserves to either be put to death or spend the rest of his life in prison.

alcohol, cannabis, video games, tobacco. All these things can be bad not they can also be good. Its just that people over use these things and harm them selves or others nature tobacco really isn't that bad if you have maybe 1 cig once every week or something you won't get sick. Red wine is good for you if you just have a glass a day but if you drink to get drunk your liver is going fail. Video games are fun and could be a good stress reliever but if you can't tell the difference between the real world and a game then you shouldn't play games or watch movies. If you smoke weed once in awhile prob not bad for you. It even shows on a chart of drug harmfulness its pretty low but if you smoke every day many times a day you will be come a burn out.... see every thing is good in portions.

"you know chit isohaven"

I know a pothead killed my mother on a freeway 8 years ago. So I know very well how someone who is HIGH has absolutely no business wandering around society.



"go smoke a blunt"

No chance in hell.



"i havent smoked pot for 1 year"

WTF does that have to do with anything?



"its easy to give up"

Like a typical pothead, you are confused. I never addressed addiction.



"and yes pot smakers know their limit"

That has got to the be the most ignorant thing I have EVER seen you type. You CAN NOT, EVER, speak for all potheads.



"but like alcoholics keep drinking"

First of all, you are addressing two different things. You have people who drink alcohol, you have people who are alcoholics, you have people who smoke pot and you have people who are addicted to pot.



You are comparing apples and oranges. You are comparing people who casually smoke pot to people who are alcoholics. Like a typical pothead, you are confused.



"your point is mute"

Like a typical pothead you are confused and uneducated. The word is MOOT. And no, that was NOT a typo on your part. You actually believed that's what that word is and how it's used. I guess your brain doesn't fire properly anymore.



"and teenagers smiking and have schitz attacks is strangley the same percentage of those who dont and have schitz attacks

of course christian

alcohol is in the bible so its OK

so is mass slaughter and slavery

so is incest"



How old are you? Do you really think that's how words are spelled? Am I having a conversation with a 12 year old or what?



"your move jackass"

I believe it's your move now....

http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/511Ez0CJGgL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

not really... i enjoy smoking pot, just like i enjoy playing video games. neither of which i use to "calm" me down.



that's like saying shooting a gun is shooting a gun, regardless of whether it was a BB gun or a shotgun.



if you had ever experienced either (just like pot vs alcohol) you would know there is HUGE difference.



not everyone knows their limits, no. but that doesn't mean it can't be done and that everyone that thinks it can is an idiot.



there are numerous reasons pot is safer than alcohol and if you don't know that... then it's very obvious you rely on others to give you that opinion, instead of forming one based on experience and knowledge.

@ ISO



i'm sorry you lost your mother, but you can't logically blame the drugs this person used as the reason they did what they did. that's exactly what jack thompson does with video games. some people are just stupid...



the addiction to pot is a mental one, alcohol addiction is physical.



i'm a casual smoker now, but as little as a year ago i was a heavy user who was always high when i was home (which was anytime i wasn't at work).



i agree no intoxicated person should be walking around in society, regardless of the drug of choice. however a person's right to do as they choose (within reason) in their own home is totally different.

constructive. >_>

Gun's don't kill people, rappers do

I completely agree with Isohaven. I've also seen the damage pot can do to people and families. All it takes is one person to get psychologically addicted to it and it's over for that person.



A relative of mine got into it at age 13 and just totally dropped out of school. That person left school with no GCSE's. They got psychologically addicted to pot, stole to feed their habit, started to develop mental problems. And then you have your moms story... Yet I see people still defending it! It's really quite silly.



We also had a local story of a kid who, whilst high on pot, stole a car and engaged in a chase with the police. He crashed the car and died (thankfully) but it would have been such a tragic story if he killed an innocent person on the road or pavement.

pot is safer in at least the fact that you can not smoke yourself to death in a single sitting, unlike how you can drink yourself to death (alcohol poisoning).



yes smoking anything is harmful... still my right to do in my own home.



i didn't address the issue of mental health, because you have a point. doing any drugs at such an early age damages the mind and body irreparably. i speak from the perspective of an educated adult who can make his own decisions... not some stupid teen who doesn't know what the consequences are.



no one is claiming it's totally 100% safe, just that alcohol is known to be much more dangerous to anyone that has experience with both.



the average person can produce alcohol, and it takes about the same amount of effort/knowledge as cultivating any plant.



if both alcohol and pot were illegal i'd have no issue at all. the problem is that something that is far more dangerous, is perfectly legal for consenting adults like myself.

I second that

Oops! lol at my retardation! I picked the wrong sentence and made an idiot of myself (but at least I can admit it).

I meant to use one like this:

"If you do smoke pot and drive then you are no better then every other drunk on the road."

Then you are no better THAN any drunk on the road.

Bye now. :)

First off I wanna say I'm sorry to hear about your mom. But, you need to calm down with all your "all potheads are idiots" crap.



"All you potheads do is claim alcoholics don't know their limits and you say this as if every POTHEAD knows their limit? Idiots, every last one of you. Ignorance at its best!"

Don't make blanket statements like that about millions of people. And what the hell is with this debate going on about marijuana smokers knowing their limits. Either you're high or you're not. I don't know where all this "limits" stuff you guys are talking about is coming from. If you mean overdosing, well...there is no limit. While it is possible to die if you smoke too much in a certain amount of time, it is physically impossible for any person to smoke the amount of marijuana necessary to reach that point.



"People who smoke pot are as INFLUENCED as alcoholics. You CAN NOT DRIVE while under the influence of pot. No different then alcohol. If you do smoke pot and drive then you are no better then every other drunk on the road."

I can agree with most of that. Driving high is definitely not something people should ever do. I have to disagree with the "as influenced" part though. Sure they're both under the influence, but drunk driving is much more dangerous. Mostly because people who are high are aware of the fact that they are impaired and try to compensate for it. They drive slow, keep more distance then necessary between cars, change lanes less often.

Again, not condoning driving high, just don't think it's nearly as dangerous. If driving high was causing such a large amount of accidents, then anti-drug campaigns would be all over those statistics.



"Don't even get me started on the gigantic rise of mental disorder that comes with teenage pot use. Depression is at an all time high because of it."

Don't really know where I fall on this issue yet. I'll read one research paper that says it increases risk of depression, then another that says there's no link between the two. Same when it comes to other illnesses like schizophrenia. With these it seems to me like it's more of a "what came first thing." The reason a lot of people try marijuana in the first place is because they're depressed (which in my opinion is stupid because marijuana seems like it only strengthens the mood I'm in when I'm high). When it comes to marijuana though I don't know if I trust govt reports yet. Their history with marijuana reports hasn't really shined (First it was a drug that caused you to go insane and start killing people! Then it became a drug that made you sit on your butt all day and get fatter and stupid) Age is probably the biggest factor here.



"Had the guy been high on pot he most likely STILL would have fired his gun."

I am definitely going to have to disagree with that. People act VERY differently depending on if they're high or drunk. All the smokers I know are pretty much calm and relaxed when they're high, but I've seen a couple of those same friends become what people call "violent drunks." There's many different ways people behave when they drink, but people who are high generally only behave one way.



" POT IS NOT SAFER THEN ALCOHOL. You can not operate a vehicle while DRUNK OR HIGH."

Well you can, but you just shouldn't



" Smoke inhalation is harmful to your body no matter what you light on fire. Again, anyone who thinks otherwise is ignorant. Period! Knowledge is key people."

Oh yeah smoking marijuana is definitely not good on your lungs. It does still contain carcinogens and all that other icky crap (using a vaporizer removes a large amount of the toxins, but they're pretty costly.) But how much damage does it actually cause? Not much according to this study

http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/15/10/1829.abstract

Even if it is more harmful to their lungs than that particular study says, people should be allowed to decide whether or not their willing to take that risk like they do with tobacco.

If people are really worried about lungs, then just eat it Not my pers

@rollypoly - Your entire point is flawed.



I can have two drinks at my age, body weight and size and be WELL within the legal limit to drive a car and be perfectly safe doing so.



NO ONE can have a single joint or bowl and operate a moving anything. Sure, it CAN be done but then again people scoring a .1+ BAL can also get home without killing themselves. Doesn't mean they will.



The problem you face is:



I can drink a beer and NOT be drunk.

You CAN NOT smoke a joint and not be high.



Why is that so damn hard for people to understand? I'll wait for the weak reply that states someone CAN get drunk off a beer....



@Sephiroth86 - I wasn't being a grammar nazi.



1. I was making fun of his use of a completely wrong term that is often used incorrectly. Why?

2. If you are going to TELL SOMEONE their point is mute....come on!!!! If someone is going to be so *****y and such an arrogant a$$ then like you said, at least do it correctly.

it was ISO's self righteousness that killed that poor kid. it just expanded and expanded until it blotted out the sun and suffocated everyone.

My name's Ignacio too! I've never met anyone with the same name. :|



Yeah... I just... thought that was strange, so I had to say it. Sorry bro.

I agree with ISOHaven again.

stop your crying for gods sakes if people like pot let them smoke it if they turn burnouts thats on them i smoke pot ev day 4 the last 11 years and i never let pot determin who im and what i can do right now im finishing my masters degree in criminal justice and 1 day i plan on becoming a judge so it depends on the person not the stimulants. oh on pot vs drink,what happens when u drink all night the next day...... u get a hangover and depending how much u drank it can be one from hell... no do the same thing with pot whats gona hapend the next day nothing!! you wake up hungry thats it.... i dont know the scale just balances it self.... legalise pot is the best thing U.S. can do for the economic crisis just regulate it like alcohol sell it to people over 21. ahhhhh it will be a happy world looool.

i bet he cant even use his *****, if he cant even use his brain

-_-



Here we go again with this ppt should be legal malarkey

ive smoked nearly everyday for 8 years and in those 8 years ive earned my BA at SDSU in C.I.S. and held a job in computer programming for 3 1/2, and I dont plan on stopping anytime soon. Actually the only way id stop smoking is if my company started to drug test. which thank god they dont. otherwise me and about 30 other people i work with would get fired and the company wouldnt have any employees left. i never smoke on the job though, but when i was in school id have to be high before class. say what you will but i focused better stoned during school and it made class a lot more interesting. but now i only smoke when i get home and kick back or go out somewhere like a bar, and even then beer and booze cost too much so i just go blazed and get one drink and hold it the whole night. im not going to pretend to be an expert, but pot relaxes me. and after a hard days work. i like to come home relax with my girl and or some friends smoke a few bowls and watch some tv or a movie. or if im by myself ill play some ps3 (currently playing Uncharted 2. one word.... AWSOME!) call me lame, but i wouldnt trade my life for anything. munchies are a ***** though...



i say legalize pot. and give it all the same rules as alcohol. too be honest i cant drive while stoned. i think its just as bad as drinking. driving too slow is still dangerous. thats why i think old people need to have there licenses takin away at a certain point too. ok well thats my 2 cents.

Although I DO agree with most of what your sayin especially since you seem to put yourself in these brain in sea of ignorance situations your doing something thats gives others a reasonable purpose do defend something that physicaly hinders what they are doin right now and and thats have a proper debate but if this is the thing that turns yur crank FIGHT ON! I wouldnt even waste the digital ink to tell marajuana users that its in ANY way bad for themI mean the words lungs and suffocation arent common among "thems peepz"

I swear the article was about shooting? How did it get to pot?

"now how many times have you heard of the abusive stoner."

All the time.



"how many times does it happen when the man is stoned."

All the time.



"they impair judgement in totally different ways."

Impaired judgment is impaired judgment. Stoners get into cars and kill people.



"had the father been stoned instead of drunk he wouldnt of been so abusive, therefore the boy would never of been shot."

That is a BS comment. There is no way in hell you could possibly know this. When I married my wife unfortunately a bunch of worthless drug addicts came with the package. The potheads in the family have gotten into plenty of fights in their life time while high. Just because someone smokes pot, that doesn't inhibit anger. You are obviously speaking from a very small box....and small mind.



@Sephiroth86 - I know, it's all good. I'm not telling anyone not to do anything. If someone wants to screw up their body and mind, go for it. But a lot of "kids" read this sight and when I see someone carelessly glorifying pot, I'll always step in and give the other side.



As far as I'm concerned, everything that needs to be said about pot has been said. Now it's up to "people" to use their brain and take in all information and decide for themselves. As for the current potheads, I couldn't careless what happens to them or what they do as long as they get high in their own space and stay the hell out of society.

Good point!



Now before someone comes across this and thinks OMG, ISO is sooooo mean!



1. This guy is a total douche bag. He lies all the time and makes horrible inhuman remarks towards various groups of people. Be it people of race, religion or homosexuality.



2. Look at his comment! We know nothing about the son or the mother yet he feels they should die? Just because an insane man picked up a gun and killed his son THE ENTIRE FAMILY SHOULD DIE?



Like I said, he's a douche bag!

actually, i can hit a bowl and be fine to drive... i don't unless absolutely necessary, as i take driving very seriously.



i cannot however drink a beer and be fine to drive. i don't drink often at all and as i'm sure you are aware, it's all about tolerance. my dad was a functioning alcoholic, he was ALWAYS over the legal limit because of the excessive amounts he used to drink...



it's not as black and white as you seem to think. high and drunk are the same... extreme levels of intoxication, unless you have no tolerance one hit isn't going to get you high, just a buzz (just like alcohol).



it's really just a matter of preference... i happen to prefer my mind having trouble functioning normally, than my entire body and my mind.

You guys are crazy. Comparing drunk driving to high driving? High on weed?!?! Someone that was pro pot even said no one should ever drive high, why? One of my childhood friends was killed by a totally sober driver, does that mean all white men are dangerous behind the wheel? No, it means he either can't drive or made a huge mistake. PERIOD

You mean to tell me if I smoke a blunt at my friends house for what, 4-5 hours until I'm "not high". You dudes kill me.

I've done many things high and/or drunk. The problems come with the alcohol, in my experience. I can do everything I normally do after a blunt, not so with drinking.

As far as your mental comments, I'm fine. Don't know about links of depression and weed. Friends I knew that were depressed either had "a lot going on" in their personal life or came from other drugs (ecstasy for example). Buts that's my experience.

Besides comments that start with "All you potheads..." and "Like a typical pothead..." just lead down the road of ignorance.

Now I'm driving to the park to play basketball, and I just blazed one. Holla.

@SolBoricua - WTF are you talking about? I never told anyone to stop.



You sir, can not read.

WHOOPS! I sadfaced your comment, I meant to smileyface it! Well spoken.

I actually read all the comments, and have to say it took awhile to do so. They were interesting, it was as if this was a thread about weed and alcohol. Anyways, sad story, I blame the alcohol.

You just don't get it. ALCOHOL DOES NOT impair your judgment to the point that murder suddenly becomes OK to a person. Picking up a gun and shooting it at someone was ALREADY an option in his book.

Sure you do! Like anyone believes that!



I can speak about it more then you can. You're idiot personal experiences do NOT outweigh my education.

Absolutely no REAL evidence has been given.



"You blamed Barrack Obama for the entire economic collapse"

No I don't. I never said as such. You are truly psychotic. I don't even watch fox news. That's something YOU MADE UP in another article. All I did was MENTION FOX NEWS.

won't Somebody think about the Ponies, hahaha

You should come back and read the comments now. A lot has been cried about in the last 3 days.